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Arriva North East: Latest News & Discussion - March 2020

 
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Cock Robin



2,778
01 Mar 2020, 12:06 pm #1
(29 Feb 2020, 8:44 pm)RobinHood It's normally about this time of year that the B9TLs are brought in for MOT and service prep, to ensure that they aren't taken off for planned servicing over the summer timetable.

Same thing happened last year I recall, a few missing for a few weeks, but then all back out and ready for Easter.

Two of the B7s are still in Durham? Is 7609 still at Blyth?

7425 is back, 7424 is at Blyth.
Cock Robin
01 Mar 2020, 12:06 pm #1

(29 Feb 2020, 8:44 pm)RobinHood It's normally about this time of year that the B9TLs are brought in for MOT and service prep, to ensure that they aren't taken off for planned servicing over the summer timetable.

Same thing happened last year I recall, a few missing for a few weeks, but then all back out and ready for Easter.

Two of the B7s are still in Durham? Is 7609 still at Blyth?

7425 is back, 7424 is at Blyth.

Ryland



453
01 Mar 2020, 10:16 pm #2
Broken down Whitby solo on tow threw dunsdale tonight
Ryland
01 Mar 2020, 10:16 pm #2

Broken down Whitby solo on tow threw dunsdale tonight

02 Mar 2020, 3:38 pm #3
2869 is now back at Darlington with presumably 1431 going back the opposite way
Stuartphin1639
02 Mar 2020, 3:38 pm #3

2869 is now back at Darlington with presumably 1431 going back the opposite way

Ryland



453
02 Mar 2020, 6:25 pm #4
1607 broken down on the 10 as I left work this evening
Ryland
02 Mar 2020, 6:25 pm #4

1607 broken down on the 10 as I left work this evening

02 Mar 2020, 7:54 pm #5
(02 Mar 2020, 6:25 pm)Ryland 1607 broken down on the 10 as I left work this evening

Speaking to a driver this morning there was about 7 Buses off the road this morning for run out

1416 broke down this afternoon
4651 also broke down
4814 was of the road at one point
Stuartphin1639
02 Mar 2020, 7:54 pm #5

(02 Mar 2020, 6:25 pm)Ryland 1607 broken down on the 10 as I left work this evening

Speaking to a driver this morning there was about 7 Buses off the road this morning for run out

1416 broke down this afternoon
4651 also broke down
4814 was of the road at one point

S830OFT



1,395
03 Mar 2020, 4:49 pm #6
7562 now debranded from it's 268 livery.


S830OFT
03 Mar 2020, 4:49 pm #6

7562 now debranded from it's 268 livery.



05 Mar 2020, 5:33 pm #7
7602 been involved in a incident with police and fire service with the vehicle
Citaro5338
05 Mar 2020, 5:33 pm #7

7602 been involved in a incident with police and fire service with the vehicle

05 Mar 2020, 8:23 pm #8
The forthcoming round of service changes in the Redcar and Cleveland areas have hit the airwaves. It looks, on paper at least, the most comprehensive set of changes in those areas for some years. Most of them look pretty much workable but the, shall I say, removal of the fast links, X3/X4, is maybe a mistake? OK these are only diverting to run through Dormanstown but perhaps the retention of 1 or 2 journies an hour, if only at peak times, AKA the X5 and X17 could have been an idea?

The only other thing to watch out for will be the revised timetable for service 63. We've mentioned this before and there probably isn't a solution but hopefully it'll go some way to resolve the bunching situation.
scanialover
05 Mar 2020, 8:23 pm #8

The forthcoming round of service changes in the Redcar and Cleveland areas have hit the airwaves. It looks, on paper at least, the most comprehensive set of changes in those areas for some years. Most of them look pretty much workable but the, shall I say, removal of the fast links, X3/X4, is maybe a mistake? OK these are only diverting to run through Dormanstown but perhaps the retention of 1 or 2 journies an hour, if only at peak times, AKA the X5 and X17 could have been an idea?

The only other thing to watch out for will be the revised timetable for service 63. We've mentioned this before and there probably isn't a solution but hopefully it'll go some way to resolve the bunching situation.

S830OFT



1,395
05 Mar 2020, 11:05 pm #9
I would have preferred it if the X3/X3A were sent via Dormanstown and service X4 carried on as normal. Time will tell if these revisions prove popular...

Also great to see 1550 - 1559 will move to Redcar as the X3/X3A seem to rarely have enough StreetLites to form the allocaton...


S830OFT
05 Mar 2020, 11:05 pm #9

I would have preferred it if the X3/X3A were sent via Dormanstown and service X4 carried on as normal. Time will tell if these revisions prove popular...

Also great to see 1550 - 1559 will move to Redcar as the X3/X3A seem to rarely have enough StreetLites to form the allocaton...



05 Mar 2020, 11:17 pm #10
What then is going to happen at Stockton as 1550-9 are heading across to Dormanstown? And if that's the case what is Dormanstown losing ?
scanialover
05 Mar 2020, 11:17 pm #10

What then is going to happen at Stockton as 1550-9 are heading across to Dormanstown? And if that's the case what is Dormanstown losing ?

Kuyoyo



6,849
06 Mar 2020, 4:36 am #11
(06 Mar 2020, 2:59 am)Stephen James Peter Johns I believe in line with the service changes Redcar are losing 1429-40 to Stockton with 1550-59 coming the other way. Also possibly Stockton Centros 1534-6 leaving to head to Blyth to replace 1401-3

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Understand the proposed fleet movements have been cancelled. 1534-6 weren’t moving anyway - Blyth were planned to get Centros, just not those Centros............
Kuyoyo
06 Mar 2020, 4:36 am #11

(06 Mar 2020, 2:59 am)Stephen James Peter Johns I believe in line with the service changes Redcar are losing 1429-40 to Stockton with 1550-59 coming the other way. Also possibly Stockton Centros 1534-6 leaving to head to Blyth to replace 1401-3

Sent from my SM-G960F using Tapatalk

Understand the proposed fleet movements have been cancelled. 1534-6 weren’t moving anyway - Blyth were planned to get Centros, just not those Centros............

06 Mar 2020, 6:01 am #12
So if these fleet movements have been cancelled isn't that good and sensible news's? The logic behind swooping Stockton's Streetlites for Dormanstown's VDL Pulsars seemed kinda pointless. OK the Streetlites haven't been an altogether success at Stockton, coping with the demands of the services - 5/5a - on which they were intended to operate but then the Dormanstown operated X3/X4 routes have the same issues unless of course there was another reason for the move? Didn't someone suggest that service 63 was going to be upgraded and operated by Streetlites?
scanialover
06 Mar 2020, 6:01 am #12

So if these fleet movements have been cancelled isn't that good and sensible news's? The logic behind swooping Stockton's Streetlites for Dormanstown's VDL Pulsars seemed kinda pointless. OK the Streetlites haven't been an altogether success at Stockton, coping with the demands of the services - 5/5a - on which they were intended to operate but then the Dormanstown operated X3/X4 routes have the same issues unless of course there was another reason for the move? Didn't someone suggest that service 63 was going to be upgraded and operated by Streetlites?

06 Mar 2020, 8:06 am #13
Looking at the changes of the X3 and X4 from April. Good that the X3A is extended to Brotton. Good that the X4 is running later in the evening. My only negative is that the turnaround in Whitby has been reduced from 13 minutes to 6 minutes. Not really a problem at this time of year but in the summer it will be a problem.
Michael Euston
06 Mar 2020, 8:06 am #13

Looking at the changes of the X3 and X4 from April. Good that the X3A is extended to Brotton. Good that the X4 is running later in the evening. My only negative is that the turnaround in Whitby has been reduced from 13 minutes to 6 minutes. Not really a problem at this time of year but in the summer it will be a problem.

V514DFT



2,225
06 Mar 2020, 11:39 am #14
March 2020

Kind Regards
Tez
V514DFT
06 Mar 2020, 11:39 am #14

March 2020


Kind Regards
Tez

OW1762



162
06 Mar 2020, 11:45 am #15
1413 and the old livered pulsar at Belmont have had the beeps for when the doors are opened without the handbrake removed, is there a particular reason for this? I know it would sometimes get on my nerves.
OW1762
06 Mar 2020, 11:45 am #15

1413 and the old livered pulsar at Belmont have had the beeps for when the doors are opened without the handbrake removed, is there a particular reason for this? I know it would sometimes get on my nerves.

S830OFT



1,395
06 Mar 2020, 1:12 pm #16
If 1534 - 1536 aren't moving, is it likely to be 1923 & 1924?


S830OFT
06 Mar 2020, 1:12 pm #16

If 1534 - 1536 aren't moving, is it likely to be 1923 & 1924?



06 Mar 2020, 8:44 pm #17
Cutting the layover time on the X4 is yet another negative move for this service. Not only has it become an "all stops" journey we now find its going to be further compromised. Surely Arriva know that Whitby has its problems during the summer.
scanialover
06 Mar 2020, 8:44 pm #17

Cutting the layover time on the X4 is yet another negative move for this service. Not only has it become an "all stops" journey we now find its going to be further compromised. Surely Arriva know that Whitby has its problems during the summer.

Cock Robin



2,778
07 Mar 2020, 11:14 am #18
(05 Mar 2020, 11:05 pm)S830OFT I would have preferred it if the X3/X3A were sent via Dormanstown and service X4 carried on as normal. Time will tell if these revisions prove popular...

Also great to see 1550 - 1559 will move to Redcar as the X3/X3A seem to rarely have enough StreetLites to form the allocaton...
Not great for Redcar. They have enough Streetlites to cover but there's usually several off road so sending more Streetlites there in exchange for the Pulsars will just make the problem worse.

(06 Mar 2020, 6:01 am)scanialover So if these fleet movements have been cancelled isn't that good and sensible news's? The logic behind swooping Stockton's Streetlites for Dormanstown's VDL Pulsars seemed kinda pointless. OK the Streetlites haven't been an altogether success at Stockton, coping with the demands of the services - 5/5a - on which they were intended to operate but then the Dormanstown operated X3/X4 routes have the same issues unless of course there was another reason for the move? Didn't someone suggest that service 63 was going to be upgraded and operated by Streetlites?

X3 was supposed to interwork with 64/64A with Streetlites. 63 would be Temsas and the 5/5A de-Sapphired with Pulsars.

(06 Mar 2020, 8:06 am)Michael Euston Looking at the changes of the X3 and X4 from April. Good that the X3A is extended to Brotton. Good that the X4 is running later in the evening. My only negative is that the turnaround in Whitby has been reduced from 13 minutes to 6 minutes. Not really a problem at this time of year but in the summer it will be a problem.

Certainly agree about the layover at Whitby but agree with the earlier comments that changing the route is definitely not an improvement.
Edited 07 Mar 2020, 11:20 am by Cock Robin.
Cock Robin
07 Mar 2020, 11:14 am #18

(05 Mar 2020, 11:05 pm)S830OFT I would have preferred it if the X3/X3A were sent via Dormanstown and service X4 carried on as normal. Time will tell if these revisions prove popular...

Also great to see 1550 - 1559 will move to Redcar as the X3/X3A seem to rarely have enough StreetLites to form the allocaton...
Not great for Redcar. They have enough Streetlites to cover but there's usually several off road so sending more Streetlites there in exchange for the Pulsars will just make the problem worse.

(06 Mar 2020, 6:01 am)scanialover So if these fleet movements have been cancelled isn't that good and sensible news's? The logic behind swooping Stockton's Streetlites for Dormanstown's VDL Pulsars seemed kinda pointless. OK the Streetlites haven't been an altogether success at Stockton, coping with the demands of the services - 5/5a - on which they were intended to operate but then the Dormanstown operated X3/X4 routes have the same issues unless of course there was another reason for the move? Didn't someone suggest that service 63 was going to be upgraded and operated by Streetlites?

X3 was supposed to interwork with 64/64A with Streetlites. 63 would be Temsas and the 5/5A de-Sapphired with Pulsars.

(06 Mar 2020, 8:06 am)Michael Euston Looking at the changes of the X3 and X4 from April. Good that the X3A is extended to Brotton. Good that the X4 is running later in the evening. My only negative is that the turnaround in Whitby has been reduced from 13 minutes to 6 minutes. Not really a problem at this time of year but in the summer it will be a problem.

Certainly agree about the layover at Whitby but agree with the earlier comments that changing the route is definitely not an improvement.

tvd



143
07 Mar 2020, 11:45 am #19
New timetables for the X4 and the X93/X94 now online.

I too can see punctuality being an issue with the reduced layover time in Whitby, and dont personally like the diversion through Dormanstown. Ok, it only adds about 3 minutes to the journey but all these incremental extras all make a difference - when the X4 first started, it didnt even stop at all stops along the coast road.

Yes its good for people in Dormanstown, but again those people coming in from East Cleveland have to put up with a longer journey into Middlesbrough. Personally, I preferred the days when Dormanstown and Marske Estate were served by a town service. Longer distance journeys are then left to take the more direct route.

Just my opinion and you cant please everyone, but slower journeys dont attract people from their cars onto buses.

On a positive note the later evening journeys are a good thing.
tvd
07 Mar 2020, 11:45 am #19

New timetables for the X4 and the X93/X94 now online.

I too can see punctuality being an issue with the reduced layover time in Whitby, and dont personally like the diversion through Dormanstown. Ok, it only adds about 3 minutes to the journey but all these incremental extras all make a difference - when the X4 first started, it didnt even stop at all stops along the coast road.

Yes its good for people in Dormanstown, but again those people coming in from East Cleveland have to put up with a longer journey into Middlesbrough. Personally, I preferred the days when Dormanstown and Marske Estate were served by a town service. Longer distance journeys are then left to take the more direct route.

Just my opinion and you cant please everyone, but slower journeys dont attract people from their cars onto buses.

On a positive note the later evening journeys are a good thing.

Cock Robin



2,778
07 Mar 2020, 12:37 pm #20
(07 Mar 2020, 11:45 am)tvd New timetables for the X4 and the X93/X94 now online.

I too can see punctuality being an issue with the reduced layover time in Whitby, and dont personally like the diversion through Dormanstown.  Ok, it only adds about 3 minutes to the journey but all these incremental extras all make a difference - when the X4 first started, it didnt even stop at all stops along the coast road.

Yes its good for people in Dormanstown, but again those people coming in from East Cleveland have to put up with a longer journey into Middlesbrough.  Personally, I preferred the days when Dormanstown and Marske Estate were served by a town service.  Longer distance journeys are then left to take the more direct route.

Just my opinion and you cant please everyone, but slower journeys dont attract people from their cars onto buses.

On a positive note the later evening journeys are a good thing.

Yes, agree. And the Expresses didn't used to stop on Coatham Road either except Coatham Roundabout til the then half hourly 81 was diverted via Lakes Estate. Ruined them by using them progressively to replace other services they have withdrawn. Can see problems for people who used to get the 62 trying to get on the X3/X4.
Cock Robin
07 Mar 2020, 12:37 pm #20

(07 Mar 2020, 11:45 am)tvd New timetables for the X4 and the X93/X94 now online.

I too can see punctuality being an issue with the reduced layover time in Whitby, and dont personally like the diversion through Dormanstown.  Ok, it only adds about 3 minutes to the journey but all these incremental extras all make a difference - when the X4 first started, it didnt even stop at all stops along the coast road.

Yes its good for people in Dormanstown, but again those people coming in from East Cleveland have to put up with a longer journey into Middlesbrough.  Personally, I preferred the days when Dormanstown and Marske Estate were served by a town service.  Longer distance journeys are then left to take the more direct route.

Just my opinion and you cant please everyone, but slower journeys dont attract people from their cars onto buses.

On a positive note the later evening journeys are a good thing.

Yes, agree. And the Expresses didn't used to stop on Coatham Road either except Coatham Roundabout til the then half hourly 81 was diverted via Lakes Estate. Ruined them by using them progressively to replace other services they have withdrawn. Can see problems for people who used to get the 62 trying to get on the X3/X4.

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