Coronavirus and the public transport industry.
Coronavirus and the public transport industry.
(17 Sep 2020, 7:50 pm)makem1 Now we are in local lockdown and advised not to travel at peak will we still have dupes on the schools routesI’d guess so, as schools and workplaces are still open and social distancing will be more important than ever to prevent infections. So more buses, the better social distancing etc.
(17 Sep 2020, 7:50 pm)makem1 Now we are in local lockdown and advised not to travel at peak will we still have dupes on the schools routesI’d guess so, as schools and workplaces are still open and social distancing will be more important than ever to prevent infections. So more buses, the better social distancing etc.
(17 Sep 2020, 5:04 pm)streetdeckfan Good to see that you've taken the views of the staff into account, that seems very rare these days!
I personally don't see how they can say public transport is for essential travel only, yet still allow pubs to remain open. Surely there's a higher chance of catching COVID at a pub than their is getting the bus
(17 Sep 2020, 5:04 pm)streetdeckfan Good to see that you've taken the views of the staff into account, that seems very rare these days!
I personally don't see how they can say public transport is for essential travel only, yet still allow pubs to remain open. Surely there's a higher chance of catching COVID at a pub than their is getting the bus
(17 Sep 2020, 5:04 pm)streetdeckfan Good to see that you've taken the views of the staff into account, that seems very rare these days!
I personally don't see how they can say public transport is for essential travel only, yet still allow pubs to remain open. Surely there's a higher chance of catching COVID at a pub than their is getting the bus
(17 Sep 2020, 5:04 pm)streetdeckfan Good to see that you've taken the views of the staff into account, that seems very rare these days!
I personally don't see how they can say public transport is for essential travel only, yet still allow pubs to remain open. Surely there's a higher chance of catching COVID at a pub than their is getting the bus
(17 Sep 2020, 10:13 pm)James101 Why would pubs be more dangerous than public transport?
(17 Sep 2020, 11:15 pm)Ambassador On pubs, no. I’d say public transport is more dangerous. Higher use rate, absolutely zero enforcement of masks and minimal social distancing. I feel way more comfortable at my socially distanced local (now with table service) than I do on a bus or metro with no controls in a confined space, I’d guess the only people on public transport right now are ones who have no other choice (or balmy enthusiasts)
(17 Sep 2020, 10:13 pm)James101 Why would pubs be more dangerous than public transport?
(17 Sep 2020, 11:15 pm)Ambassador On pubs, no. I’d say public transport is more dangerous. Higher use rate, absolutely zero enforcement of masks and minimal social distancing. I feel way more comfortable at my socially distanced local (now with table service) than I do on a bus or metro with no controls in a confined space, I’d guess the only people on public transport right now are ones who have no other choice (or balmy enthusiasts)
(17 Sep 2020, 7:50 pm)makem1 Now we are in local lockdown and advised not to travel at peak will we still have dupes on the schools routes
(17 Sep 2020, 7:50 pm)makem1 Now we are in local lockdown and advised not to travel at peak will we still have dupes on the schools routes
(18 Sep 2020, 10:28 pm)ne14ne1 We’re not in local lockdown, there have just been additional restrictions implemented locally to try and prevent the need for a local lockdown.
Where have you read about being advised not to travel at peak times?
I’ve read, “Residents are advised to only use public transport for essential purposes, such as travelling to school or work”.
Travel restrictions
You should follow all relevant transport guidance when making a journey into, within or out of the affected areas.
You must wear a face covering on public transport and in substantially enclosed areas of transport hubs in England (as well as in a range of other indoor premises). You will be breaking the law if you fail to do so and could be fined. Some people do not have to wear a face covering including for age, health, or disability reasons.
We advise that you should only travel for essential reasons when travelling into, within and out of the affected areas. We encourage you to walk or cycle where possible and to plan your journey in advance, avoiding busy times and routes if possible. Examples of essential travel include:
- to get to and from work
- to get essential food or medical supplies including click and collect services
- to support someone who is vulnerable, if no one else can do so
- to travel to and from the homes of others in your support bubble
- to attend an early years setting, school or college, or to accompany a child who is attending an early years setting, school, college or university where necessary
- to fulfil legal obligations
- to seek medical care, or avoid illness, injury or harm
(18 Sep 2020, 10:28 pm)ne14ne1 We’re not in local lockdown, there have just been additional restrictions implemented locally to try and prevent the need for a local lockdown.
Where have you read about being advised not to travel at peak times?
I’ve read, “Residents are advised to only use public transport for essential purposes, such as travelling to school or work”.
Travel restrictions
You should follow all relevant transport guidance when making a journey into, within or out of the affected areas.
You must wear a face covering on public transport and in substantially enclosed areas of transport hubs in England (as well as in a range of other indoor premises). You will be breaking the law if you fail to do so and could be fined. Some people do not have to wear a face covering including for age, health, or disability reasons.
We advise that you should only travel for essential reasons when travelling into, within and out of the affected areas. We encourage you to walk or cycle where possible and to plan your journey in advance, avoiding busy times and routes if possible. Examples of essential travel include:
- to get to and from work
- to get essential food or medical supplies including click and collect services
- to support someone who is vulnerable, if no one else can do so
- to travel to and from the homes of others in your support bubble
- to attend an early years setting, school or college, or to accompany a child who is attending an early years setting, school, college or university where necessary
- to fulfil legal obligations
- to seek medical care, or avoid illness, injury or harm
From the above list of "reasonable" purposes for using public transport, the one about visiting "homes of others in your support bubble" will not apply where socialising is discouraged or outlawed.
(20 Sep 2020, 10:28 am)Metroline1511 From the above list of "reasonable" purposes for using public transport, the one about visiting "homes of others in your support bubble" will not apply where socialising is discouraged or outlawed.
Blimey. That does not instil confidence at all.
The last Belmont bus I caught (1331) was pretty grubby but I put that down to the fact that it had probably been full of school kids a couple of hours previously. Now I'm wondering how long it really had been since it was cleaned properly.
(26 Sep 2020, 4:20 pm)BusLoverMum Blimey. That does not instil confidence at all.
The last Belmont bus I caught (1331) was pretty grubby but I put that down to the fact that it had probably been full of school kids a couple of hours previously. Now I'm wondering how long it really had been since it was cleaned properly.
(26 Sep 2020, 4:20 pm)BusLoverMum Blimey. That does not instil confidence at all.
The last Belmont bus I caught (1331) was pretty grubby but I put that down to the fact that it had probably been full of school kids a couple of hours previously. Now I'm wondering how long it really had been since it was cleaned properly.
(26 Sep 2020, 9:53 pm)Adrian I think some are doing a lot more than others in terms of cleaning. I genuinely find GNE buses and the Metro to be a lot cleaner (at the start of the day), but there's always room for improvement too. For example, I've tried a couple of times to find the 'cleaning in between journeys', as described in this video.From what I've gleaned, over the years, there appears to be a pretty toxic culture in general at faverdale. I remember waiting for an X26 and having a driver tell us that he doesn't even know if our bus will run because they can't find a driver for it - this was when there was a real recruitment and retention crisis coming to light at that depot. And, of course, that awful business with the ecocity and the driver having ignored a safety precaution in the same way, allegedly, as many other drivers at the depot.
But my concern having read the Northern Echo article, is that if a company cannot get it right for their staff, then what hope do we have of them getting it right for their customers? The fact that they couldn't confidently deny the allegations in response to the article speaks volumes for me.
(26 Sep 2020, 9:53 pm)Adrian I think some are doing a lot more than others in terms of cleaning. I genuinely find GNE buses and the Metro to be a lot cleaner (at the start of the day), but there's always room for improvement too. For example, I've tried a couple of times to find the 'cleaning in between journeys', as described in this video.From what I've gleaned, over the years, there appears to be a pretty toxic culture in general at faverdale. I remember waiting for an X26 and having a driver tell us that he doesn't even know if our bus will run because they can't find a driver for it - this was when there was a real recruitment and retention crisis coming to light at that depot. And, of course, that awful business with the ecocity and the driver having ignored a safety precaution in the same way, allegedly, as many other drivers at the depot.
But my concern having read the Northern Echo article, is that if a company cannot get it right for their staff, then what hope do we have of them getting it right for their customers? The fact that they couldn't confidently deny the allegations in response to the article speaks volumes for me.
(26 Sep 2020, 9:53 pm)Adrian I think some are doing a lot more than others in terms of cleaning. I genuinely find GNE buses and the Metro to be a lot cleaner (at the start of the day), but there's always room for improvement too. For example, I've tried a couple of times to find the 'cleaning in between journeys', as described in this video.
But my concern having read the Northern Echo article, is that if a company cannot get it right for their staff, then what hope do we have of them getting it right for their customers? The fact that they couldn't confidently deny the allegations in response to the article speaks volumes for me.
(26 Sep 2020, 9:53 pm)Adrian I think some are doing a lot more than others in terms of cleaning. I genuinely find GNE buses and the Metro to be a lot cleaner (at the start of the day), but there's always room for improvement too. For example, I've tried a couple of times to find the 'cleaning in between journeys', as described in this video.
But my concern having read the Northern Echo article, is that if a company cannot get it right for their staff, then what hope do we have of them getting it right for their customers? The fact that they couldn't confidently deny the allegations in response to the article speaks volumes for me.
(26 Sep 2020, 10:42 pm)streetdeckfan I think it's also a bit disingenuous to put the blame on Arriva alone, if the drivers aren't sticking to social distancing and wearing masks where they should, that's on them just as much as it is on Arriva.
Sure, Arriva should be enforcing it, but at the end of the day, they shouldn't have to!
(26 Sep 2020, 10:42 pm)streetdeckfan I think it's also a bit disingenuous to put the blame on Arriva alone, if the drivers aren't sticking to social distancing and wearing masks where they should, that's on them just as much as it is on Arriva.
Sure, Arriva should be enforcing it, but at the end of the day, they shouldn't have to!
(26 Sep 2020, 10:48 pm)Adrian Health and Safety at Work etc. Act 1974.
(26 Sep 2020, 10:48 pm)Adrian Health and Safety at Work etc. Act 1974.
If you believe that big companies are really doing anything for Covid then your having a laugh it's all just a smokescreen to look good. I've heard some rather damning reports about Morrisons from someone who works there in the sense of them bodging the number of staff who've caught the virus so they didn't have to shut the shop (this is in the middle of lockdown at the peak); deep cleaning the store and not actually doing anything at all after someone catching it and asking someone to come in 7 days after having the virus. This is from one of their largest stores in the North East (probably the biggest actually) so it's not some small secondary store they have.
Profits before safety any day of the week. It wouldn't surprise me if any of the big 3 are doing anything extra than what they should be doing normally (the Metro cleaning staff are actually doing something as usually it's questionable what they actually do) bar the occasional misting.
The fact that some are advertising that they're cleaning touch points daily now is quite disturbing - surely this should be done anyway...
