Newcastle Clean Air Zone: services which need to be upgraded
Newcastle Clean Air Zone: services which need to be upgraded
(02 Sep 2021, 11:00 pm)JP6004 It's not put up or shut up. People are going to peeved either way. But if changes arent made to address the CAZ, this will be of detriment to the whole network. Just some people arent able to grasp with the reasoning. Yes the average Joe bloggs will see a backward step, but I believe the refurb is trying to offset some of the negativity.....although the USBs on the versas haven't been installed yet
(02 Sep 2021, 11:00 pm)JP6004 It's not put up or shut up. People are going to peeved either way. But if changes arent made to address the CAZ, this will be of detriment to the whole network. Just some people arent able to grasp with the reasoning. Yes the average Joe bloggs will see a backward step, but I believe the refurb is trying to offset some of the negativity.....although the USBs on the versas haven't been installed yet
(03 Sep 2021, 8:26 am)streetdeckfan Don't forget, even the likes of the New Routemaster are getting on for 10 years old now! I'm sure you wouldn't complain if you got a refurbished one of those!
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(03 Sep 2021, 8:26 am)streetdeckfan Don't forget, even the likes of the New Routemaster are getting on for 10 years old now! I'm sure you wouldn't complain if you got a refurbished one of those!
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(03 Sep 2021, 9:29 am)ne14ne1 I’d be happy to take them unrefurbished! Nice quiet smooth hybrid drive, quick boarding/alighting and NSA*, all you really need! Perfect!Unfortunatly the pandemic has put pay to new vehicles this year. I'm sure the original intention was to dispose of all the Mercs except for those on the 4 and some of the oldest Versas and replace them with new vehicles many of which might of ended up in Sunderland. GNE has had to juggle it's fleet around in order to place Euro 6 buses on it's Newcastle services. Yes certain buses can be upgraded to euro 6 but they will only do the ones they think have more than just a couple of years more life left in them.
*iBus system guts would need switched out for our NSA type controller, granted.
(03 Sep 2021, 9:29 am)ne14ne1 I’d be happy to take them unrefurbished! Nice quiet smooth hybrid drive, quick boarding/alighting and NSA*, all you really need! Perfect!Unfortunatly the pandemic has put pay to new vehicles this year. I'm sure the original intention was to dispose of all the Mercs except for those on the 4 and some of the oldest Versas and replace them with new vehicles many of which might of ended up in Sunderland. GNE has had to juggle it's fleet around in order to place Euro 6 buses on it's Newcastle services. Yes certain buses can be upgraded to euro 6 but they will only do the ones they think have more than just a couple of years more life left in them.
*iBus system guts would need switched out for our NSA type controller, granted.
I do wonder how the CAZ is going to effect Metro Replacements. Big line closure through Newcastle City Centre, sorry nobody can supply buses unless we take all our front line vehicles off service work on a Saturday, unlucky Nexus.
I've always wondered about older vehicles being allocated to less popular routes.
It's almost like operators are giving up on it and are going through the motions.
What if (and its a big what if)? An operator was able to justify a business case to grow a route and to do so by allocating new vehicles to it.
Almost like a pump prime of frequency and a new allocation of vehicles.
I'm trying to think of an example of a route left to rot and maybe because its close to my heart - but the 71 is the one jumping out.
It went from an allocation of brand new 51 plate Presidents on the 21a to T reg acquired darts when the 71 was launched in 2006.
If that route was launched with a brand new 56 plate Scania or even a 55 plate Solar - would the 71 have been a success? Couple it with some marketing, advertising and something to soften the fact fares doubled overnight...
We keep seeing that 'experimental' services aren't a success. Why? Is it pricing? Frequency? Timetables? Connections? Something else - such as the vehicle type? Or a combination?
(03 Sep 2021, 12:41 pm)Andreos1 I've always wondered about older vehicles being allocated to less popular routes.
It's almost like operators are giving up on it and are going through the motions.
What if (and its a big what if)? An operator was able to justify a business case to grow a route and to do so by allocating new vehicles to it.
Almost like a pump prime of frequency and a new allocation of vehicles.
I'm trying to think of an example of a route left to rot and maybe because its close to my heart - but the 71 is the one jumping out.
It went from an allocation of brand new 51 plate Presidents on the 21a to T reg acquired darts when the 71 was launched in 2006.
If that route was launched with a brand new 56 plate Scania or even a 55 plate Solar - would the 71 have been a success? Couple it with some marketing, advertising and something to soften the fact fares doubled overnight...
We keep seeing that 'experimental' services aren't a success. Why? Is it pricing? Frequency? Timetables? Connections? Something else - such as the vehicle type? Or a combination?
(03 Sep 2021, 12:41 pm)Andreos1 I've always wondered about older vehicles being allocated to less popular routes.
It's almost like operators are giving up on it and are going through the motions.
What if (and its a big what if)? An operator was able to justify a business case to grow a route and to do so by allocating new vehicles to it.
Almost like a pump prime of frequency and a new allocation of vehicles.
I'm trying to think of an example of a route left to rot and maybe because its close to my heart - but the 71 is the one jumping out.
It went from an allocation of brand new 51 plate Presidents on the 21a to T reg acquired darts when the 71 was launched in 2006.
If that route was launched with a brand new 56 plate Scania or even a 55 plate Solar - would the 71 have been a success? Couple it with some marketing, advertising and something to soften the fact fares doubled overnight...
We keep seeing that 'experimental' services aren't a success. Why? Is it pricing? Frequency? Timetables? Connections? Something else - such as the vehicle type? Or a combination?
(03 Sep 2021, 12:41 pm)Andreos1 We keep seeing that 'experimental' services aren't a success. Why? Is it pricing? Frequency? Timetables? Connections? Something else - such as the vehicle type? Or a combination?
(03 Sep 2021, 12:41 pm)Andreos1 We keep seeing that 'experimental' services aren't a success. Why? Is it pricing? Frequency? Timetables? Connections? Something else - such as the vehicle type? Or a combination?
(03 Sep 2021, 11:05 am)ian foster Unfortunatly the pandemic has put pay to new vehicles this year. I'm sure the original intention was to dispose of all the Mercs except for those on the 4 and some of the oldest Versas and replace them with new vehicles many of which might of ended up in Sunderland. GNE has had to juggle it's fleet around in order to place Euro 6 buses on it's Newcastle services. Yes certain buses can be upgraded to euro 6 but they will only do the ones they think have more than just a couple of years more life left in them.
(03 Sep 2021, 11:05 am)ian foster Unfortunatly the pandemic has put pay to new vehicles this year. I'm sure the original intention was to dispose of all the Mercs except for those on the 4 and some of the oldest Versas and replace them with new vehicles many of which might of ended up in Sunderland. GNE has had to juggle it's fleet around in order to place Euro 6 buses on it's Newcastle services. Yes certain buses can be upgraded to euro 6 but they will only do the ones they think have more than just a couple of years more life left in them.
(03 Sep 2021, 12:41 pm)Andreos1 I've always wondered about older vehicles being allocated to less popular routes.
It's almost like operators are giving up on it and are going through the motions.
What if (and its a big what if)? An operator was able to justify a business case to grow a route and to do so by allocating new vehicles to it.
Almost like a pump prime of frequency and a new allocation of vehicles.
(03 Sep 2021, 12:41 pm)Andreos1 I've always wondered about older vehicles being allocated to less popular routes.
It's almost like operators are giving up on it and are going through the motions.
What if (and its a big what if)? An operator was able to justify a business case to grow a route and to do so by allocating new vehicles to it.
Almost like a pump prime of frequency and a new allocation of vehicles.
(03 Sep 2021, 12:41 pm)Andreos1 I've always wondered about older vehicles being allocated to less popular routes.
It's almost like operators are giving up on it and are going through the motions.
What if (and its a big what if)? An operator was able to justify a business case to grow a route and to do so by allocating new vehicles to it.
(03 Sep 2021, 12:41 pm)Andreos1 I've always wondered about older vehicles being allocated to less popular routes.
It's almost like operators are giving up on it and are going through the motions.
What if (and its a big what if)? An operator was able to justify a business case to grow a route and to do so by allocating new vehicles to it.
I will be interested in what Stagecoach do with their older buses. I think short term some of the 64 plate enviros from could be swapped for the man Alexander 300s and possibly Teesside getting some of the older Enviro 400 again. No doubt Hartlepool will get the awful Manviro 200 or possibly some of the mans as well.
(09 Sep 2021, 9:16 pm)glen Why dont they get second hand buses to replace all old vehicles like over stagecoach fleet do why can't stagecoach north east do that?
(09 Sep 2021, 9:16 pm)glen Why dont they get second hand buses to replace all old vehicles like over stagecoach fleet do why can't stagecoach north east do that?
(10 Sep 2021, 8:19 am)Ianthegoon Depends on whether there's actually any second-hand buses to bring in to do the replacement.Exactly that. Newcastle will raid Stockton's fleet for MAN ALX300 replacements, and Sunderland or Shields for 36091-4/39674 replacements
There's been very few deliveries to Stagecoach over the last year, so new buses are very much at a premium. This in turn means that operators are having to keep hold of their slightly older vehicles and continue using them, which in turn means no vehicles available for cascade to other operators.
How soon this situation changes will depend upon how soon any operator has enough money to buy the new buses!
(10 Sep 2021, 8:19 am)Ianthegoon Depends on whether there's actually any second-hand buses to bring in to do the replacement.Exactly that. Newcastle will raid Stockton's fleet for MAN ALX300 replacements, and Sunderland or Shields for 36091-4/39674 replacements
There's been very few deliveries to Stagecoach over the last year, so new buses are very much at a premium. This in turn means that operators are having to keep hold of their slightly older vehicles and continue using them, which in turn means no vehicles available for cascade to other operators.
How soon this situation changes will depend upon how soon any operator has enough money to buy the new buses!
(10 Sep 2021, 11:33 am)Train8261 What's gonna happen to Metro replacement in Newcastle when this clean air zone happenSpecial dispensation I would wager
(10 Sep 2021, 11:33 am)Train8261 What's gonna happen to Metro replacement in Newcastle when this clean air zone happenSpecial dispensation I would wager
