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Newcastle Clean Air Zone: services which need to be upgraded

 
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03 Mar 2020, 8:45 pm #1
So just been thinking with CAZ coming very soon the 26/27/57 need to get replacements and what i am thinking was 5442-5451 & 5463-5480 head to riverside and send the citaro's to Hownsgill and Deptford, in a way downgrade but same spec ?
Citaro5326
03 Mar 2020, 8:45 pm #1

So just been thinking with CAZ coming very soon the 26/27/57 need to get replacements and what i am thinking was 5442-5451 & 5463-5480 head to riverside and send the citaro's to Hownsgill and Deptford, in a way downgrade but same spec ?

03 Mar 2020, 9:15 pm #2
(03 Mar 2020, 8:45 pm)Citaro5326 So just been thinking with CAZ coming very soon the 26/27/57 need to get replacements and what i am thinking was 5442-5451 & 5463-5480 head to riverside and send the citaro's to Hownsgill and Deptford, in a way downgrade but same spec ?

I've heard that as a rumour already. Would make sense, but doesn't seem "fair" on the routes that justified nice new buses being palmed off with buses ready to be disposed of. Claim what you want about Citaros being nicer than Streetlites, they're certainly no where near as reliable.
deanmachine
03 Mar 2020, 9:15 pm #2

(03 Mar 2020, 8:45 pm)Citaro5326 So just been thinking with CAZ coming very soon the 26/27/57 need to get replacements and what i am thinking was 5442-5451 & 5463-5480 head to riverside and send the citaro's to Hownsgill and Deptford, in a way downgrade but same spec ?

I've heard that as a rumour already. Would make sense, but doesn't seem "fair" on the routes that justified nice new buses being palmed off with buses ready to be disposed of. Claim what you want about Citaros being nicer than Streetlites, they're certainly no where near as reliable.

JP6004



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03 Mar 2020, 9:18 pm #3
(03 Mar 2020, 8:45 pm)Citaro5326 So just been thinking with CAZ coming very soon the 26/27/57 need to get replacements and what i am thinking was 5442-5451 & 5463-5480 head to riverside and send the citaro's to Hownsgill and Deptford, in a way downgrade but same spec ?

6/12/26/27/57 will all be affected. Dont forget the 8 saltwell park streetlites will be available soon.

As far as I'm aware, streetlites can be upgraded to euro 6
JP6004
03 Mar 2020, 9:18 pm #3

(03 Mar 2020, 8:45 pm)Citaro5326 So just been thinking with CAZ coming very soon the 26/27/57 need to get replacements and what i am thinking was 5442-5451 & 5463-5480 head to riverside and send the citaro's to Hownsgill and Deptford, in a way downgrade but same spec ?

6/12/26/27/57 will all be affected. Dont forget the 8 saltwell park streetlites will be available soon.

As far as I'm aware, streetlites can be upgraded to euro 6

Malarkey



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03 Mar 2020, 9:57 pm #4
(03 Mar 2020, 9:18 pm)JP6004 6/12/26/27/57 will all be affected. Dont forget the 8 saltwell park streetlites will be available soon.

As far as I'm aware, streetlites can be upgraded to euro 6

Quite a lot of vehicles to be reallocated in the coming months as a result of new buses coming in.

Volvo B9TL's
6001 to 6007, 6049 to 6055, 6149 to 6161

6118 to 6121 as we already know are going to East Yorkshire

Wright Streetlites
5409 to 5418, 8339 to 8346

Mercedes Citaros
5275 to 5284, 5294 to 5318, 5320 to 5325

5481 to 5487 as we already know will be withdrawn from service

Optare Versas
5377 to 5384 and 5389
Malarkey
03 Mar 2020, 9:57 pm #4

(03 Mar 2020, 9:18 pm)JP6004 6/12/26/27/57 will all be affected. Dont forget the 8 saltwell park streetlites will be available soon.

As far as I'm aware, streetlites can be upgraded to euro 6

Quite a lot of vehicles to be reallocated in the coming months as a result of new buses coming in.

Volvo B9TL's
6001 to 6007, 6049 to 6055, 6149 to 6161

6118 to 6121 as we already know are going to East Yorkshire

Wright Streetlites
5409 to 5418, 8339 to 8346

Mercedes Citaros
5275 to 5284, 5294 to 5318, 5320 to 5325

5481 to 5487 as we already know will be withdrawn from service

Optare Versas
5377 to 5384 and 5389

Big O



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03 Mar 2020, 10:29 pm #5
(03 Mar 2020, 9:48 pm)streetdeckfan I'd imagine the E400s are just as efficient, if not moreso than the vehicles they run instead


Those Streetlites can't be upgraded.


Citaros are a nicer ride, but the seats make them unbearable. So I'd happily take a Streetlite over a Citaro!

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If they're the Cummins models, I'm quite sure they can.
Big O
03 Mar 2020, 10:29 pm #5

(03 Mar 2020, 9:48 pm)streetdeckfan I'd imagine the E400s are just as efficient, if not moreso than the vehicles they run instead


Those Streetlites can't be upgraded.


Citaros are a nicer ride, but the seats make them unbearable. So I'd happily take a Streetlite over a Citaro!

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If they're the Cummins models, I'm quite sure they can.

03 Mar 2020, 11:00 pm #6
(03 Mar 2020, 10:29 pm)Big O If they're the Cummins models, I'm quite sure they can.

It's already been confirmed a few times that they can't
streetdeckfan
03 Mar 2020, 11:00 pm #6

(03 Mar 2020, 10:29 pm)Big O If they're the Cummins models, I'm quite sure they can.

It's already been confirmed a few times that they can't

JP6004



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03 Mar 2020, 11:44 pm #7
(03 Mar 2020, 11:00 pm)streetdeckfan It's already been confirmed a few times that they can't

I thought was only confirmed that the citaros cant
JP6004
03 Mar 2020, 11:44 pm #7

(03 Mar 2020, 11:00 pm)streetdeckfan It's already been confirmed a few times that they can't

I thought was only confirmed that the citaros cant

04 Mar 2020, 12:13 am #8
(03 Mar 2020, 11:44 pm)JP6004 I thought was only confirmed that the citaros cant

Nope, Dan confirmed that neither the Streetlites nor the Citaros can be upgraded to Euro 6
streetdeckfan
04 Mar 2020, 12:13 am #8

(03 Mar 2020, 11:44 pm)JP6004 I thought was only confirmed that the citaros cant

Nope, Dan confirmed that neither the Streetlites nor the Citaros can be upgraded to Euro 6

mb134



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04 Mar 2020, 12:39 am #9
(04 Mar 2020, 12:13 am)streetdeckfan Nope, Dan confirmed that neither the Streetlites nor the Citaros can be upgraded to Euro 6

Yet decade old B7RLEs and B9TLs can easily be converted... 

Ironic that in many instances the Streetlite replaced heavy duty vehicles such as the B7RLE, yet the latter is more future proof than the rattling monstrosity.
mb134
04 Mar 2020, 12:39 am #9

(04 Mar 2020, 12:13 am)streetdeckfan Nope, Dan confirmed that neither the Streetlites nor the Citaros can be upgraded to Euro 6

Yet decade old B7RLEs and B9TLs can easily be converted... 

Ironic that in many instances the Streetlite replaced heavy duty vehicles such as the B7RLE, yet the latter is more future proof than the rattling monstrosity.

Dan

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04 Mar 2020, 1:43 am #10
(03 Mar 2020, 10:29 pm)Big O If they're the Cummins models, I'm quite sure they can.



Go North East’s preferred contractor for the Euro 6 exhaust modifications is Eminox, who don’t have any options to upgrade Streetlites from Euro 5 to Euro 6.

There’s a possibility of a whole engine conversion, which I think (stand to be corrected) is what Stagecoach have done on MANviro 300s 24101-15, but this is presumably a lot more costly.


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Dan
04 Mar 2020, 1:43 am #10

(03 Mar 2020, 10:29 pm)Big O If they're the Cummins models, I'm quite sure they can.



Go North East’s preferred contractor for the Euro 6 exhaust modifications is Eminox, who don’t have any options to upgrade Streetlites from Euro 5 to Euro 6.

There’s a possibility of a whole engine conversion, which I think (stand to be corrected) is what Stagecoach have done on MANviro 300s 24101-15, but this is presumably a lot more costly.


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Dan

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04 Mar 2020, 1:47 am #11
(04 Mar 2020, 12:39 am)mb134 Yet decade old B7RLEs and B9TLs can easily be converted... 

Ironic that in many instances the Streetlite replaced heavy duty vehicles such as the B7RLE, yet the latter is more future proof than the rattling monstrosity.



I don’t think it’s a case of being more future-proof.

Manufacturers probably don’t expect operators to carry out these modifications to their buses post-delivery.

The exhaust modifications are all about removing particulate matter and other harmful gases, which bring the bus in line with that of a standard Euro 6 diesel bus. The Streetlite, especially those with the Micro-Hybrid package, are already very clean and much more environmentally-friendly than other Euro 5 buses. Wrightbus presumably therefore wouldn’t have expected any further modifications to be made.


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Dan
04 Mar 2020, 1:47 am #11

(04 Mar 2020, 12:39 am)mb134 Yet decade old B7RLEs and B9TLs can easily be converted... 

Ironic that in many instances the Streetlite replaced heavy duty vehicles such as the B7RLE, yet the latter is more future proof than the rattling monstrosity.



I don’t think it’s a case of being more future-proof.

Manufacturers probably don’t expect operators to carry out these modifications to their buses post-delivery.

The exhaust modifications are all about removing particulate matter and other harmful gases, which bring the bus in line with that of a standard Euro 6 diesel bus. The Streetlite, especially those with the Micro-Hybrid package, are already very clean and much more environmentally-friendly than other Euro 5 buses. Wrightbus presumably therefore wouldn’t have expected any further modifications to be made.


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04 Mar 2020, 8:03 pm #12
(03 Mar 2020, 9:57 pm)Malarkey Quite a lot of vehicles to be reallocated in the coming months as a result of new buses coming in.

Volvo B9TL's
6001 to 6007, 6049 to 6055, 6149 to 6161

6118 to 6121 as we already know are going to East Yorkshire

Wright Streetlites
5409 to 5418, 8339 to 8346

Mercedes Citaros
5275 to 5284, 5294 to 5318, 5320 to 5325

5481 to 5487 as we already know will be withdrawn from service

Optare Versas
5377 to 5384 and 5389

Definitely gonna be an interesting year for cascades.


Interested to see what will replace the Citaro's on the Newcastle routes... is it the 1st January 2021 when the CAZ zone comes in to force.

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Michael
04 Mar 2020, 8:03 pm #12

(03 Mar 2020, 9:57 pm)Malarkey Quite a lot of vehicles to be reallocated in the coming months as a result of new buses coming in.

Volvo B9TL's
6001 to 6007, 6049 to 6055, 6149 to 6161

6118 to 6121 as we already know are going to East Yorkshire

Wright Streetlites
5409 to 5418, 8339 to 8346

Mercedes Citaros
5275 to 5284, 5294 to 5318, 5320 to 5325

5481 to 5487 as we already know will be withdrawn from service

Optare Versas
5377 to 5384 and 5389

Definitely gonna be an interesting year for cascades.


Interested to see what will replace the Citaro's on the Newcastle routes... is it the 1st January 2021 when the CAZ zone comes in to force.


Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

04 Mar 2020, 8:37 pm #13
(04 Mar 2020, 8:03 pm)Michael Definitely gonna be an interesting year for cascades.


Interested to see what will replace the Citaro's on the Newcastle routes... is it the 1st January 2021 when the CAZ zone comes in to force.

Rumours seem to suggest that the X1 B9s might end up replacing the Crusaders and the X9/X10 B5s replacing the X84/X85. I wonder if some of the Streetlites that are replaced by the StreetDecks could then replace the Citaros and Omnicitys on the 6/12
streetdeckfan
04 Mar 2020, 8:37 pm #13

(04 Mar 2020, 8:03 pm)Michael Definitely gonna be an interesting year for cascades.


Interested to see what will replace the Citaro's on the Newcastle routes... is it the 1st January 2021 when the CAZ zone comes in to force.

Rumours seem to suggest that the X1 B9s might end up replacing the Crusaders and the X9/X10 B5s replacing the X84/X85. I wonder if some of the Streetlites that are replaced by the StreetDecks could then replace the Citaros and Omnicitys on the 6/12

04 Mar 2020, 8:41 pm #14
Weren't some of 6149-6161 going onto the Loop.

Don't think the buses for the 58 are due this year, so the Versas prob remain until 2021, plus they can be upgraded to Euro 6.

Rough guess would be Red Arrow B9s to the 26/27 whilst which ever of 6149 - 6161 that don't go on the loop go to Hexham for the X84/X85 until the new buses for the X9/X10 arrive. Euro 6 Streetlites to go on the 6/12/57?

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Rapidsnap
04 Mar 2020, 8:41 pm #14

Weren't some of 6149-6161 going onto the Loop.

Don't think the buses for the 58 are due this year, so the Versas prob remain until 2021, plus they can be upgraded to Euro 6.

Rough guess would be Red Arrow B9s to the 26/27 whilst which ever of 6149 - 6161 that don't go on the loop go to Hexham for the X84/X85 until the new buses for the X9/X10 arrive. Euro 6 Streetlites to go on the 6/12/57?


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04 Mar 2020, 8:42 pm #15
(04 Mar 2020, 8:41 pm)Rapidsnap Weren't some of 6149-6161 going onto the Loop.

Don't think the buses for the 58 are due this year, so the Versas prob remain until 2021, plus they can be upgraded to Euro 6.

Rough guess would be Red Arrow B9s to the 26/27 whilst which ever of 6149 - 6161 that don't go on the loop go to Hexham for the X84/X85 until the new buses for the X9/X10 arrive. Euro 6 Streetlites to go on the 6/12/57?

I vaguely remember someone mentioning that the plans for the Loop being upgraded to deckers had basically been cancelled
streetdeckfan
04 Mar 2020, 8:42 pm #15

(04 Mar 2020, 8:41 pm)Rapidsnap Weren't some of 6149-6161 going onto the Loop.

Don't think the buses for the 58 are due this year, so the Versas prob remain until 2021, plus they can be upgraded to Euro 6.

Rough guess would be Red Arrow B9s to the 26/27 whilst which ever of 6149 - 6161 that don't go on the loop go to Hexham for the X84/X85 until the new buses for the X9/X10 arrive. Euro 6 Streetlites to go on the 6/12/57?

I vaguely remember someone mentioning that the plans for the Loop being upgraded to deckers had basically been cancelled

04 Mar 2020, 9:58 pm #16
(04 Mar 2020, 8:42 pm)streetdeckfan I vaguely remember someone mentioning that the plans for the Loop being upgraded to deckers had basically been cancelled
Temporarily cancelled due to the late Streetdecks. I believe the plan is still for 6 of 6149-6161 to be used on the 93/94.
NewcastleOne
04 Mar 2020, 9:58 pm #16

(04 Mar 2020, 8:42 pm)streetdeckfan I vaguely remember someone mentioning that the plans for the Loop being upgraded to deckers had basically been cancelled
Temporarily cancelled due to the late Streetdecks. I believe the plan is still for 6 of 6149-6161 to be used on the 93/94.

04 Mar 2020, 10:14 pm #17
(04 Mar 2020, 9:58 pm)NewcastleOne Temporarily cancelled due to the late Streetdecks. I believe the plan is still for 6 of 6149-6161 to be used on the 93/94.
That's probably it. Like I said I only vaguely remember it being mentioned!

To be honest, the main thing that has annoyed me about the late StreetDecks is the fact they won't be 69 plates anymore!

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streetdeckfan
04 Mar 2020, 10:14 pm #17

(04 Mar 2020, 9:58 pm)NewcastleOne Temporarily cancelled due to the late Streetdecks. I believe the plan is still for 6 of 6149-6161 to be used on the 93/94.
That's probably it. Like I said I only vaguely remember it being mentioned!

To be honest, the main thing that has annoyed me about the late StreetDecks is the fact they won't be 69 plates anymore!

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04 Mar 2020, 10:17 pm #18
(04 Mar 2020, 10:14 pm)streetdeckfan That's probably it. Like I said I only vaguely remember it being mentioned!

To be honest, the main thing that has annoyed me about the late StreetDecks is the fact they won't be 69 plates anymore!

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What difference does it make by the registration, they will probably arrive as 20 plates making it look like even newer buses than ordered, still the same buses made just a few months late
N1cholas
04 Mar 2020, 10:17 pm #18

(04 Mar 2020, 10:14 pm)streetdeckfan That's probably it. Like I said I only vaguely remember it being mentioned!

To be honest, the main thing that has annoyed me about the late StreetDecks is the fact they won't be 69 plates anymore!

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What difference does it make by the registration, they will probably arrive as 20 plates making it look like even newer buses than ordered, still the same buses made just a few months late

idiot



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04 Mar 2020, 11:31 pm #19
I think it was a joke comment about 69 lol
idiot
04 Mar 2020, 11:31 pm #19

I think it was a joke comment about 69 lol

05 Mar 2020, 12:23 am #20
(04 Mar 2020, 11:31 pm)idiot I think it was a joke comment about 69 lol

I'm not that immature! Wink
streetdeckfan
05 Mar 2020, 12:23 am #20

(04 Mar 2020, 11:31 pm)idiot I think it was a joke comment about 69 lol

I'm not that immature! Wink

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