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Newcastle Clean Air Zone: services which need to be upgraded

Newcastle Clean Air Zone: services which need to be upgraded

 
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Andreos1



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30 Sep 2021, 9:04 am #110
(29 Sep 2021, 9:57 pm)stagecoachbusdepot Agree with all of this and especially the last point.  Congestion is going to be made much worse by reducing car lanes (increasing congestion) to create bus priority measures, without fundamental changes to the way operators work (which is not going to happen when profit is king and providing a public service is secondary).  Martijn has been clear in a recent briefing that the future for buses is on high usage, mass transit - so run from X to Y and if you happen to live in Z or A to W, tough/walk/change potentially multiple times or modes of transport.  Improving journey times might result in marginal gains by tempting more people who live on or close to the X to Y route that is sufficiently profitable for the operator to service, but will do nothing for the majority - those people making the myriad other journeys which will continue to be made in the car, just crammed into one lane instead of two.  The danger is the extent to which this stupid approach of making the bus more attractive relative to the car only really by deliberately worsening car journey times is pushed, risks breaking the entire transport system (so-called public, as well as private).

Would love to see this briefing and see the justification in pushing ahead with this model.

What was that saying about doing the same thing over and over, expecting to get different results?

I remember years ago, I used to play Sim City 2000. Loved that game, but when the cities roads became gridlocked with cars - it became frustrating. I could have done a few different things, but the outcome which worked the best, was improving the public transport network and giving the population an alternative.

'Illegitimis non carborundum'
Andreos1
30 Sep 2021, 9:04 am #110

(29 Sep 2021, 9:57 pm)stagecoachbusdepot Agree with all of this and especially the last point.  Congestion is going to be made much worse by reducing car lanes (increasing congestion) to create bus priority measures, without fundamental changes to the way operators work (which is not going to happen when profit is king and providing a public service is secondary).  Martijn has been clear in a recent briefing that the future for buses is on high usage, mass transit - so run from X to Y and if you happen to live in Z or A to W, tough/walk/change potentially multiple times or modes of transport.  Improving journey times might result in marginal gains by tempting more people who live on or close to the X to Y route that is sufficiently profitable for the operator to service, but will do nothing for the majority - those people making the myriad other journeys which will continue to be made in the car, just crammed into one lane instead of two.  The danger is the extent to which this stupid approach of making the bus more attractive relative to the car only really by deliberately worsening car journey times is pushed, risks breaking the entire transport system (so-called public, as well as private).

Would love to see this briefing and see the justification in pushing ahead with this model.

What was that saying about doing the same thing over and over, expecting to get different results?

I remember years ago, I used to play Sim City 2000. Loved that game, but when the cities roads became gridlocked with cars - it became frustrating. I could have done a few different things, but the outcome which worked the best, was improving the public transport network and giving the population an alternative.


'Illegitimis non carborundum'

 
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Newcastle Clean Air Zone: services which need to be upgraded - by Citaro5326 - 03 Mar 2020, 8:45 pm
RE: Newcastle Clean Air Zone: services which need to be upgraded - by Adrian - 02 Sep 2021, 10:45 pm
RE: Newcastle Clean Air Zone: services which need to be upgraded - by Keeiajs - 02 Sep 2021, 10:59 pm
RE: Newcastle Clean Air Zone: services which need to be upgraded - by JP6004 - 02 Sep 2021, 11:00 pm
RE: Newcastle Clean Air Zone: services which need to be upgraded - by Adrian - 03 Sep 2021, 9:10 am
RE: Newcastle Clean Air Zone: services which need to be upgraded - by L469 YVK - 11 Sep 2021, 8:55 am
Newcastle Clean Air Zone: services which need to be upgraded - by Jimmi - 02 Sep 2021, 11:44 pm
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RE: Newcastle Clean Air Zone: services which need to be upgraded - by idiot - 03 Sep 2021, 12:08 pm
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RE: Newcastle Clean Air Zone: services which need to be upgraded - by Andreos1 - 03 Sep 2021, 12:41 pm
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