Newcastle Clean Air Zone: services which need to be upgraded
Newcastle Clean Air Zone: services which need to be upgraded
(11 Jan 2022, 12:27 pm)Adrian I think you're right that it makes a mockery of a CAZ scheme, when it results in neighbouring Towns and Cities suffer as a result, but Councils are largely very parochial by nature and quite frankly won't care less. One of the biggest reasons that the North East devolution has never really progressed.
And whilst some places have ended up with big downgrades and a lesser service for customers there, I do think at the same time it should be recognised the substantial investment that has gone into preparation for the Newcastle CAZ. Walkergate and Slatyford have had 47x E400MMCs and 18x E200MMCs between them. Then there's the original 19x Streetdecks for the Angel, 20x Streetdecks across the X1/X45/X46, 18x E400MMCs and and 11x E200MMCs that Go North East have brought into service.
The ideal would be to regulate against the use of older buses in service work, but in reality it's going to be a problem that solves itself in the next couple of years, as some of these older buses are already on their last legs.
(11 Jan 2022, 12:27 pm)Adrian I think you're right that it makes a mockery of a CAZ scheme, when it results in neighbouring Towns and Cities suffer as a result, but Councils are largely very parochial by nature and quite frankly won't care less. One of the biggest reasons that the North East devolution has never really progressed.
And whilst some places have ended up with big downgrades and a lesser service for customers there, I do think at the same time it should be recognised the substantial investment that has gone into preparation for the Newcastle CAZ. Walkergate and Slatyford have had 47x E400MMCs and 18x E200MMCs between them. Then there's the original 19x Streetdecks for the Angel, 20x Streetdecks across the X1/X45/X46, 18x E400MMCs and and 11x E200MMCs that Go North East have brought into service.
The ideal would be to regulate against the use of older buses in service work, but in reality it's going to be a problem that solves itself in the next couple of years, as some of these older buses are already on their last legs.
All the recent re allocations and re paints now wasted as the Clean air zone has been postponed, might as well scrap the idea all together https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/nor...PPddAw2TXQ
(12 May 2022, 1:18 pm)N1cholas All the recent re allocations and re paints now wasted as the Clean air zone has been postponed, might as well scrap the idea all together https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/nor...PPddAw2TXQ
(12 May 2022, 5:53 pm)V514DFT I'd rather see the money spent on the Tyne Bridge to be honest,something much more deserving of the money
(12 May 2022, 1:18 pm)N1cholas All the recent re allocations and re paints now wasted as the Clean air zone has been postponed, might as well scrap the idea all together https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/nor...PPddAw2TXQ
(12 May 2022, 5:53 pm)V514DFT I'd rather see the money spent on the Tyne Bridge to be honest,something much more deserving of the money
(12 May 2022, 6:28 pm)ne14ne1 Postponed not scrapped, so not wasted at all.It'll happen again. It'll keep getting postponed
Life’s not that simple, you can’t just spend an allocated pot of funding on a completely different thing.
Tyne Bridge is deserving, but is it really “much more deserving” than our health and the health of future generations?
(12 May 2022, 6:28 pm)ne14ne1 Postponed not scrapped, so not wasted at all.It'll happen again. It'll keep getting postponed
Life’s not that simple, you can’t just spend an allocated pot of funding on a completely different thing.
Tyne Bridge is deserving, but is it really “much more deserving” than our health and the health of future generations?
(12 May 2022, 6:33 pm)Aaron21 It'll happen again. It'll keep getting postponed
(12 May 2022, 6:33 pm)Aaron21 It'll happen again. It'll keep getting postponed
(12 May 2022, 5:53 pm)V514DFT I'd rather see the money spent on the Tyne Bridge to be honest,something much more deserving of the money
(12 May 2022, 5:53 pm)V514DFT I'd rather see the money spent on the Tyne Bridge to be honest,something much more deserving of the money
It’s electoral suicide to introduce it no matter how much they blame central government. In good economic conditions you can take it on the chin but not now.
They can’t justify a charge during the current cost of living pressures and that won’t go away for a long time, priorities have changed and the green agenda is slipping below peoples needs to well….live
(12 May 2022, 8:35 pm)Ambassador It’s electoral suicide to introduce it no matter how much they blame central government. In good economic conditions you can take it on the chin but not now.
They can’t justify a charge during the current cost of living pressures and that won’t go away for a long time, priorities have changed and the green agenda is slipping below peoples needs to well….live
(12 May 2022, 8:35 pm)Ambassador It’s electoral suicide to introduce it no matter how much they blame central government. In good economic conditions you can take it on the chin but not now.
They can’t justify a charge during the current cost of living pressures and that won’t go away for a long time, priorities have changed and the green agenda is slipping below peoples needs to well….live
(12 May 2022, 7:29 pm)ne14ne1 Maybe. My point still stands though.This suggests that the introduction of the Clean Air Zone could go ahead (no pun intended) later this year or early next year for example.
“” “All preparations for the Clean Air Zone remain ongoing, including work on the installation of technology and signage and systems testing. All will progress significantly over the summer.”
(12 May 2022, 7:29 pm)ne14ne1 Maybe. My point still stands though.This suggests that the introduction of the Clean Air Zone could go ahead (no pun intended) later this year or early next year for example.
“” “All preparations for the Clean Air Zone remain ongoing, including work on the installation of technology and signage and systems testing. All will progress significantly over the summer.”
What services are being upgraded to Euro 6 for GNE.
Apparently the 05 & 06 plates may be getting upgraded or at least some of them. And Maybe the Voyager Geminis. Cos Consett definitely needs a few (not sure after these service changes would this be an issue). CLS could do with a few but Euro 6 voyagers would do with that. Hexham, possibly another one.
But 684 will need something doing as I think they need atleast 1 Euro 6 upgrade. Washington need atleast a PVR of 16 (2 spare) for X1. Deptford need atleast one or two more.
So GNE are well on their way to a CAZ-compliant fleet for their services that will enter the CAZ.
I think I saw a post in the Stagecoach area of the forum saying only a single-digit number of vehicles are not compliant but they’ll probably be sent off soon and replaced with Euro6 vehicles. I think that’s been said about Walkergates Depot.
Is that pretty much the case for Slatyford depot too?
And once Arriva North East take delivery of their new E400MMCs and cascade vehicles around is that them CAZ-compliant for all their CAZ routes too?
Suppose put simply my question is, are the ‘big 3’ operators pretty much ready now/will be soon?
(28 May 2022, 4:12 pm)ne14ne1 So GNE are well on their way to a CAZ-compliant fleet for their services that will enter the CAZ.
I think I saw a post in the Stagecoach area of the forum saying only a single-digit number of vehicles are not compliant but they’ll probably be sent off soon and replaced with Euro6 vehicles. I think that’s been said about Walkergates Depot.
Is that pretty much the case for Slatyford depot too?
And once Arriva North East take delivery of their new E400MMCs and cascade vehicles around is that them CAZ-compliant for all their CAZ routes too?
Suppose put simply my question is, are the ‘big 3’ operators pretty much ready now/will be soon?
(28 May 2022, 4:12 pm)ne14ne1 So GNE are well on their way to a CAZ-compliant fleet for their services that will enter the CAZ.
I think I saw a post in the Stagecoach area of the forum saying only a single-digit number of vehicles are not compliant but they’ll probably be sent off soon and replaced with Euro6 vehicles. I think that’s been said about Walkergates Depot.
Is that pretty much the case for Slatyford depot too?
And once Arriva North East take delivery of their new E400MMCs and cascade vehicles around is that them CAZ-compliant for all their CAZ routes too?
Suppose put simply my question is, are the ‘big 3’ operators pretty much ready now/will be soon?
(28 May 2022, 4:16 pm)Storx It's the Enviro 200 MMC's Arriva need more than the Enviro 400 MMC's to replace the Solo's at Jesmond on the 46, 51/51A and 55. Haven't heard much about them for awhile though, assuming they'll be coming at the same time though.
(28 May 2022, 4:16 pm)Storx It's the Enviro 200 MMC's Arriva need more than the Enviro 400 MMC's to replace the Solo's at Jesmond on the 46, 51/51A and 55. Haven't heard much about them for awhile though, assuming they'll be coming at the same time though.
Looks like Newcastle wasn't the only place to have the new euro rating pushed back
Bradfords much delayed Clean Air Zone (CAZ) which was last supposed to start this spring has been given a last minute further delay until Mon 26th Sept 2022.
This of course means Huddersfield can continue for a while with the tatty looking guided buses on the X63 where there was some speculation as to what was happening.
Presumably Bradfords remaining 8 non CAZ buses - vis- B7s, 32697, 37049, 40, 66749 and BMCs 68689, 698, 700, 709 will still move on with the arrival of the imminent 11 Wright single deckers (63421-31 ?).
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“The proposals would see the Clean Air Zone (CAZ) brought into operation later this year, with drivers of non-compliant vehicles entering the zone being sent warning letters, along with details about financial support, from November.”
“Subject to government approval, charges for non-compliant taxis, buses and HGVs would begin from 30 January 2023.”
“Cabinet members will also be asked to agree further support measures, including additional exemptions for a small number of vehicles such as rail replacement buses and coaches, bus and HGV driver training vehicles, breakdown recovery vehicles, hybrid vehicles and taxis and vans belonging to people living within the CAZ area.”
https://www.newcastle.gov.uk/citylife-ne...-proposals
Not Newcastle I know but this is what the CAZ should avoid ...
https://www.facebook.com/reel/1045816946074179?fs=e&s=cl
https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/nor...HxK9A4Ej6I
Delayed again
Also another thing all private cars are exempt...what is the point of the CAZ then..
