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Latest contract awards - Nexus 39/81-84/85-86/135-136

Latest contract awards - Nexus 39/81-84/85-86/135-136

 
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V514DFT



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08 May 2020, 11:50 am #21
GNE seem to be losing alot of services atm

Kind Regards
Tez
V514DFT
08 May 2020, 11:50 am #21

GNE seem to be losing alot of services atm


Kind Regards
Tez

Adrian



9,566
08 May 2020, 7:59 pm #22
(08 May 2020, 8:58 am)RM2186 Think you will find that to be not true, rather some other reason.

Sorry - I don't follow?

(08 May 2020, 11:50 am)V514DFT GNE seem to be losing alot of services atm

I think these 1 year contracts make it look like it is more than it actually is. Previously these would have spanned multiple years.

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Adrian
08 May 2020, 7:59 pm #22

(08 May 2020, 8:58 am)RM2186 Think you will find that to be not true, rather some other reason.

Sorry - I don't follow?

(08 May 2020, 11:50 am)V514DFT GNE seem to be losing alot of services atm

I think these 1 year contracts make it look like it is more than it actually is. Previously these would have spanned multiple years.


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RM2186



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09 May 2020, 8:13 am #23
(08 May 2020, 7:59 pm)Adrian Sorry - I don't follow?

The reason for GNE running this service has nothing to do with GCT being unable to run these services or having the capacity. There is another reason that is not for publication in this forum
RM2186
09 May 2020, 8:13 am #23

(08 May 2020, 7:59 pm)Adrian Sorry - I don't follow?

The reason for GNE running this service has nothing to do with GCT being unable to run these services or having the capacity. There is another reason that is not for publication in this forum

6049



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09 May 2020, 8:15 am #24
(09 May 2020, 8:13 am)RM2186 The reason for GNE running this service has nothing to do with GCT being unable to run these services or having the capacity. There is another reason that is not for publication in this forum


High rate of sickness due to COVID so I've been told

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09 May 2020, 8:15 am #24

(09 May 2020, 8:13 am)RM2186 The reason for GNE running this service has nothing to do with GCT being unable to run these services or having the capacity. There is another reason that is not for publication in this forum


High rate of sickness due to COVID so I've been told

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park5354



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10 May 2020, 12:19 am #25
(09 May 2020, 8:15 am)6049 High rate of sickness due to COVID so I've been told

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Incorrect statement.

CToG are set to take the contracts for 11/19/41/42/42A back on Sunday 17th May.  They also have the required number of drivers available to operate this work.
park5354
10 May 2020, 12:19 am #25

(09 May 2020, 8:15 am)6049 High rate of sickness due to COVID so I've been told

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Incorrect statement.

CToG are set to take the contracts for 11/19/41/42/42A back on Sunday 17th May.  They also have the required number of drivers available to operate this work.

Dan

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10 May 2020, 6:32 am #26
(10 May 2020, 12:19 am)park5354 Incorrect statement.

CToG are set to take the contracts for 11/19/41/42/42A back on Sunday 17th May.  They also have the required number of drivers available to operate this work.



Huge leap going from very few to operating all of the March and May contract awards. Good luck!

To not operate the North Tyneside contracts for the first two months of the contract award is pretty serious and I am struggling to think of a reason that would be justified to Nexus, if it was anything besides driver availability as a result of the pandemic. That is very much a temporary thing which is out of the hands of the company (so excusable in the current climate). Interesting if that is not the case!

Under normal circumstances the contract would have to be formally forfeited permanently and re-tendered, rather than operated by the previous contract operator as a goodwill gesture until the new operator is “ready”.


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Dan
10 May 2020, 6:32 am #26

(10 May 2020, 12:19 am)park5354 Incorrect statement.

CToG are set to take the contracts for 11/19/41/42/42A back on Sunday 17th May.  They also have the required number of drivers available to operate this work.



Huge leap going from very few to operating all of the March and May contract awards. Good luck!

To not operate the North Tyneside contracts for the first two months of the contract award is pretty serious and I am struggling to think of a reason that would be justified to Nexus, if it was anything besides driver availability as a result of the pandemic. That is very much a temporary thing which is out of the hands of the company (so excusable in the current climate). Interesting if that is not the case!

Under normal circumstances the contract would have to be formally forfeited permanently and re-tendered, rather than operated by the previous contract operator as a goodwill gesture until the new operator is “ready”.


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KB59



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10 May 2020, 10:47 am #27
(10 May 2020, 6:32 am)Dan Huge leap going from very few to operating all of the March and May contract awards. Good luck!

To not operate the North Tyneside contracts for the first two months of the contract award is pretty serious and I am struggling to think of a reason that would be justified to Nexus, if it was anything besides driver availability as a result of the pandemic. That is very much a temporary thing which is out of the hands of the company (so excusable in the current climate). Interesting if that is not the case!

Under normal circumstances the contract would have to be formally forfeited permanently and re-tendered, rather than operated by the previous contract operator as a goodwill gesture until the new operator is “ready”.


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Hi Dan,  Sorry for my ignorance but what is CToG. I do not live in the North East. Thank you.'
KB59
10 May 2020, 10:47 am #27

(10 May 2020, 6:32 am)Dan Huge leap going from very few to operating all of the March and May contract awards. Good luck!

To not operate the North Tyneside contracts for the first two months of the contract award is pretty serious and I am struggling to think of a reason that would be justified to Nexus, if it was anything besides driver availability as a result of the pandemic. That is very much a temporary thing which is out of the hands of the company (so excusable in the current climate). Interesting if that is not the case!

Under normal circumstances the contract would have to be formally forfeited permanently and re-tendered, rather than operated by the previous contract operator as a goodwill gesture until the new operator is “ready”.


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Hi Dan,  Sorry for my ignorance but what is CToG. I do not live in the North East. Thank you.'

Michael



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10 May 2020, 11:21 am #28
(10 May 2020, 6:32 am)Dan Huge leap going from very few to operating all of the March and May contract awards. Good luck!

To not operate the North Tyneside contracts for the first two months of the contract award is pretty serious and I am struggling to think of a reason that would be justified to Nexus, if it was anything besides driver availability as a result of the pandemic. That is very much a temporary thing which is out of the hands of the company (so excusable in the current climate). Interesting if that is not the case!

Under normal circumstances the contract would have to be formally forfeited permanently and re-tendered, rather than operated by the previous contract operator as a goodwill gesture until the new operator is “ready”.


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No doubt it'll confuse a few people, will GNE passes still be accepted after this crisis is over, like previously.


Any news on passes been accepted on the 39/135/136 etc?

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.
Michael
10 May 2020, 11:21 am #28

(10 May 2020, 6:32 am)Dan Huge leap going from very few to operating all of the March and May contract awards. Good luck!

To not operate the North Tyneside contracts for the first two months of the contract award is pretty serious and I am struggling to think of a reason that would be justified to Nexus, if it was anything besides driver availability as a result of the pandemic. That is very much a temporary thing which is out of the hands of the company (so excusable in the current climate). Interesting if that is not the case!

Under normal circumstances the contract would have to be formally forfeited permanently and re-tendered, rather than operated by the previous contract operator as a goodwill gesture until the new operator is “ready”.


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No doubt it'll confuse a few people, will GNE passes still be accepted after this crisis is over, like previously.


Any news on passes been accepted on the 39/135/136 etc?


Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

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10 May 2020, 11:56 am #29
(10 May 2020, 10:47 am)KB59 Hi Dan,  Sorry for my ignorance but what is CToG. I do not live in the North East. Thank you.'
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10 May 2020, 11:56 am #29

(10 May 2020, 10:47 am)KB59 Hi Dan,  Sorry for my ignorance but what is CToG. I do not live in the North East. Thank you.'
Central Taxis of Gateshead.  AKA Gateshead Central Taxis

KB59



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10 May 2020, 1:43 pm #30
(10 May 2020, 11:56 am)ifm001 Central Taxis of Gateshead.  AKA Gateshead Central Taxis
Thank you very much for the clarification.
KB59
10 May 2020, 1:43 pm #30

(10 May 2020, 11:56 am)ifm001 Central Taxis of Gateshead.  AKA Gateshead Central Taxis
Thank you very much for the clarification.

Tom



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10 May 2020, 2:21 pm #31
(10 May 2020, 11:21 am)Michael No doubt it'll confuse a few people, will GNE passes still be accepted after this crisis is over, like previously.


Any news on passes been accepted on the 39/135/136 etc?

I'd imagine so - but I don't think most of the GCT drivers are even that bothered if it wasn't the case. Quite a few times I've seen people use Go North East day tickets or week tickets on the 335.
Tom
10 May 2020, 2:21 pm #31

(10 May 2020, 11:21 am)Michael No doubt it'll confuse a few people, will GNE passes still be accepted after this crisis is over, like previously.


Any news on passes been accepted on the 39/135/136 etc?

I'd imagine so - but I don't think most of the GCT drivers are even that bothered if it wasn't the case. Quite a few times I've seen people use Go North East day tickets or week tickets on the 335.

Michael



19,141
10 May 2020, 2:27 pm #32
(10 May 2020, 2:21 pm)Tom I'd imagine so - but I don't think most of the GCT drivers are even that bothered if it wasn't the case. Quite a few times I've seen people use Go North East day tickets or week tickets on the 335.

That's because all operators have agreed to let people use all tickets on their services throughout this crisis (but only on similar routes and in the area the ticket is for)... once that is dropped... will NEXUS allow GNE passes to be used on the 39, 42 etc

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.
Michael
10 May 2020, 2:27 pm #32

(10 May 2020, 2:21 pm)Tom I'd imagine so - but I don't think most of the GCT drivers are even that bothered if it wasn't the case. Quite a few times I've seen people use Go North East day tickets or week tickets on the 335.

That's because all operators have agreed to let people use all tickets on their services throughout this crisis (but only on similar routes and in the area the ticket is for)... once that is dropped... will NEXUS allow GNE passes to be used on the 39, 42 etc


Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

Adrian



9,566
10 May 2020, 3:18 pm #33
(10 May 2020, 2:21 pm)Tom I'd imagine so - but I don't think most of the GCT drivers are even that bothered if it wasn't the case. Quite a few times I've seen people use Go North East day tickets or week tickets on the 335.

To be fair though, why should GCT be bothered? All they have done is win the contract and the work, which they're perfectly entitled to do. Its no skin of their nose that customers of another operator, are now unable to use their commercial ticket at certain times of the day. 

Its up to Nexus to ensure the public gets the best value for money out of contracts, but they also have a major role in promoting the use of public transport in Tyne and Wear. That includes making it both attractive and accessible. I'd argue that the price increase % that I quoted earlier in this thread is doing neither. 

Current travel patterns and ticket usage has to be a consideration in these deals, but that is up to Nexus and not GCT.

(10 May 2020, 2:27 pm)Michael That's because all operators have agreed to let people use all tickets on their services throughout this crisis (but only on similar routes and in the area the ticket is for)... once that is dropped... will NEXUS allow GNE passes to be used on the 39, 42 etc

Who knows? It starts next Sunday yet still absolutely no communication from Nexus. Extremely poor.

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Adrian
10 May 2020, 3:18 pm #33

(10 May 2020, 2:21 pm)Tom I'd imagine so - but I don't think most of the GCT drivers are even that bothered if it wasn't the case. Quite a few times I've seen people use Go North East day tickets or week tickets on the 335.

To be fair though, why should GCT be bothered? All they have done is win the contract and the work, which they're perfectly entitled to do. Its no skin of their nose that customers of another operator, are now unable to use their commercial ticket at certain times of the day. 

Its up to Nexus to ensure the public gets the best value for money out of contracts, but they also have a major role in promoting the use of public transport in Tyne and Wear. That includes making it both attractive and accessible. I'd argue that the price increase % that I quoted earlier in this thread is doing neither. 

Current travel patterns and ticket usage has to be a consideration in these deals, but that is up to Nexus and not GCT.

(10 May 2020, 2:27 pm)Michael That's because all operators have agreed to let people use all tickets on their services throughout this crisis (but only on similar routes and in the area the ticket is for)... once that is dropped... will NEXUS allow GNE passes to be used on the 39, 42 etc

Who knows? It starts next Sunday yet still absolutely no communication from Nexus. Extremely poor.


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Tom



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10 May 2020, 3:54 pm #34
(10 May 2020, 2:27 pm)Michael That's because all operators have agreed to let people use all tickets on their services throughout this crisis (but only on similar routes and in the area the ticket is for)... once that is dropped... will NEXUS allow GNE passes to be used on the 39, 42 etc
I don't mean recently, I haven't been on a bus since the lockdown came into place. 
I remember something being said about operators having to pay Nexus to allow their tickets on a contract service operated by another company?
Tom
10 May 2020, 3:54 pm #34

(10 May 2020, 2:27 pm)Michael That's because all operators have agreed to let people use all tickets on their services throughout this crisis (but only on similar routes and in the area the ticket is for)... once that is dropped... will NEXUS allow GNE passes to be used on the 39, 42 etc
I don't mean recently, I haven't been on a bus since the lockdown came into place. 
I remember something being said about operators having to pay Nexus to allow their tickets on a contract service operated by another company?

10 May 2020, 4:19 pm #35
(10 May 2020, 3:54 pm)Tom I don't mean recently, I haven't been on a bus since the lockdown came into place. 
I remember something being said about operators having to pay Nexus to allow their tickets on a contract service operated by another company?

Wasn't it an agreement between GCT and GNE to allow pre purchased GNE tickets on the services that GCT operate in the evening rather than it going through NEXUS, or at least that's how I understood it
streetdeckfan
10 May 2020, 4:19 pm #35

(10 May 2020, 3:54 pm)Tom I don't mean recently, I haven't been on a bus since the lockdown came into place. 
I remember something being said about operators having to pay Nexus to allow their tickets on a contract service operated by another company?

Wasn't it an agreement between GCT and GNE to allow pre purchased GNE tickets on the services that GCT operate in the evening rather than it going through NEXUS, or at least that's how I understood it

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6,030
10 May 2020, 4:36 pm #36
(10 May 2020, 4:19 pm)streetdeckfan Wasn't it an agreement between GCT and GNE to allow pre purchased GNE tickets on the services that GCT operate in the evening rather than it going through NEXUS, or at least that's how I understood it

It's Nexus' service so it would be fair to assume that they have the final say over ticketing arrangements.
S813 FVK
10 May 2020, 4:36 pm #36

(10 May 2020, 4:19 pm)streetdeckfan Wasn't it an agreement between GCT and GNE to allow pre purchased GNE tickets on the services that GCT operate in the evening rather than it going through NEXUS, or at least that's how I understood it

It's Nexus' service so it would be fair to assume that they have the final say over ticketing arrangements.

11 May 2020, 12:26 am #37
(10 May 2020, 4:19 pm)streetdeckfan Wasn't it an agreement between GCT and GNE to allow pre purchased GNE tickets on the services that GCT operate in the evening rather than it going through NEXUS, or at least that's how I understood it
Gne and nexus came to an agreement for the north tyneside services for gct to accept tickets
Jordan2104
11 May 2020, 12:26 am #37

(10 May 2020, 4:19 pm)streetdeckfan Wasn't it an agreement between GCT and GNE to allow pre purchased GNE tickets on the services that GCT operate in the evening rather than it going through NEXUS, or at least that's how I understood it
Gne and nexus came to an agreement for the north tyneside services for gct to accept tickets

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11 May 2020, 2:55 pm #38
If ticket acceptance isn't in place on the services GCT are taking over next week after the crisis is over, there will be hell on across the board. Especially in Washington all barring one or two services going through the town are GNE

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6049
11 May 2020, 2:55 pm #38

If ticket acceptance isn't in place on the services GCT are taking over next week after the crisis is over, there will be hell on across the board. Especially in Washington all barring one or two services going through the town are GNE

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idiot



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11 May 2020, 3:53 pm #39
Well that's because of zero competition
idiot
11 May 2020, 3:53 pm #39

Well that's because of zero competition

6049



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11 May 2020, 4:20 pm #40
(11 May 2020, 3:53 pm)idiot Well that's because of zero competition
Whatever the reason, if people pay £15 a week for a ticket that currently gets the on any GNE bus anywhere in Washington any time of the day, they're going to resent paying full fare after 7pm going forward.

It'll be the drivers who'll kop ths flak for it as usual

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6049
11 May 2020, 4:20 pm #40

(11 May 2020, 3:53 pm)idiot Well that's because of zero competition
Whatever the reason, if people pay £15 a week for a ticket that currently gets the on any GNE bus anywhere in Washington any time of the day, they're going to resent paying full fare after 7pm going forward.

It'll be the drivers who'll kop ths flak for it as usual

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