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James101



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26 May 2020, 12:50 pm #21
(26 May 2020, 12:41 pm)Michael From Monday 1 June, in line with guidance from the government, our buses will start returning to what can be considered our ‘normal’ level of service, with changes to some services that are listed below our COVID-19 travel advice.

We have also worked hard to protect journeys introduced following customer feedback on key worker shift times at the start of the crisis.

Services that aren’t listed below will return to timetables that are similar to their pre-coronavirus times on weekdays, although on many services evening frequencies will be reduced due to the continued closure of leisure and entertainment venues. Services on weekends will also run to special timetables.

https://www.gonortheast.co.uk/service-ch...day-1-june

I read changes justified with ‘low passenger numbered pre-coronavirus’ to be permanent? If so this ends Go Ahead and it’s predecessors operation along the Durham coast into Hartlepool for the first time since its incarnation?
James101
26 May 2020, 12:50 pm #21

(26 May 2020, 12:41 pm)Michael From Monday 1 June, in line with guidance from the government, our buses will start returning to what can be considered our ‘normal’ level of service, with changes to some services that are listed below our COVID-19 travel advice.

We have also worked hard to protect journeys introduced following customer feedback on key worker shift times at the start of the crisis.

Services that aren’t listed below will return to timetables that are similar to their pre-coronavirus times on weekdays, although on many services evening frequencies will be reduced due to the continued closure of leisure and entertainment venues. Services on weekends will also run to special timetables.

https://www.gonortheast.co.uk/service-ch...day-1-june

I read changes justified with ‘low passenger numbered pre-coronavirus’ to be permanent? If so this ends Go Ahead and it’s predecessors operation along the Durham coast into Hartlepool for the first time since its incarnation?

Andreos1



14,155
26 May 2020, 1:06 pm #22
(26 May 2020, 12:41 pm)Michael From Monday 1 June, in line with guidance from the government, our buses will start returning to what can be considered our ‘normal’ level of service, with changes to some services that are listed below our COVID-19 travel advice.

We have also worked hard to protect journeys introduced following customer feedback on key worker shift times at the start of the crisis.

Services that aren’t listed below will return to timetables that are similar to their pre-coronavirus times on weekdays, although on many services evening frequencies will be reduced due to the continued closure of leisure and entertainment venues. Services on weekends will also run to special timetables.

https://www.gonortheast.co.uk/service-ch...day-1-june


SOME interesting changes, wasn't expecting some of them.

I can't work out if all of the changes are permanent or not. Some clearly are, but others I'm not sure.

'Illegitimis non carborundum'
Andreos1
26 May 2020, 1:06 pm #22

(26 May 2020, 12:41 pm)Michael From Monday 1 June, in line with guidance from the government, our buses will start returning to what can be considered our ‘normal’ level of service, with changes to some services that are listed below our COVID-19 travel advice.

We have also worked hard to protect journeys introduced following customer feedback on key worker shift times at the start of the crisis.

Services that aren’t listed below will return to timetables that are similar to their pre-coronavirus times on weekdays, although on many services evening frequencies will be reduced due to the continued closure of leisure and entertainment venues. Services on weekends will also run to special timetables.

https://www.gonortheast.co.uk/service-ch...day-1-june


SOME interesting changes, wasn't expecting some of them.

I can't work out if all of the changes are permanent or not. Some clearly are, but others I'm not sure.


'Illegitimis non carborundum'

LeeCalder



1,928
26 May 2020, 1:12 pm #23
21 going via Arnison.

Don't get that one. Adding more journey time onto an already lengthy journey time.

A cheaper and quicker service in the X12, and running at the same frequency as well...
LeeCalder
26 May 2020, 1:12 pm #23

21 going via Arnison.

Don't get that one. Adding more journey time onto an already lengthy journey time.

A cheaper and quicker service in the X12, and running at the same frequency as well...

Kuyoyo



6,849
26 May 2020, 1:16 pm #24
(26 May 2020, 1:12 pm)LeeCalder 21 going via Arnison.

Don't get that one. Adding more journey time onto an already lengthy journey time.

A cheaper and quicker service in the X12, and running at the same frequency as well...

Sorry Lee
X12 isn't reverting to normal north of Durham from next week - staying hourly. Back to normal south of Durham however
Kuyoyo
26 May 2020, 1:16 pm #24

(26 May 2020, 1:12 pm)LeeCalder 21 going via Arnison.

Don't get that one. Adding more journey time onto an already lengthy journey time.

A cheaper and quicker service in the X12, and running at the same frequency as well...

Sorry Lee
X12 isn't reverting to normal north of Durham from next week - staying hourly. Back to normal south of Durham however

26 May 2020, 1:18 pm #25
(26 May 2020, 1:12 pm)LeeCalder 21 going via Arnison.

Really don't get it. Adding more journey time onto an already lengthy journey time.

A cheaper and quicker service in the X12, and running at the same frequency as well...

That's the best change IMO, It was always a right faff trying to get to Arnison centre, now there's the 21 and X20

I wonder if the X66/1A change will be permanent, my guess is they've just added it on because the 1A sits around for a while at Metrocentre anyway so it might as well carry on a little bit extra.
The downside is it cuts off a connection to IKEA and other parts of the Metrocentre, but I guess that's probably not important at the minute.
I'd really like them to bring back the S1, I've lost count of the times the X66 to ASDA/IKEA has been severely late or not turned up at all.
streetdeckfan
26 May 2020, 1:18 pm #25

(26 May 2020, 1:12 pm)LeeCalder 21 going via Arnison.

Really don't get it. Adding more journey time onto an already lengthy journey time.

A cheaper and quicker service in the X12, and running at the same frequency as well...

That's the best change IMO, It was always a right faff trying to get to Arnison centre, now there's the 21 and X20

I wonder if the X66/1A change will be permanent, my guess is they've just added it on because the 1A sits around for a while at Metrocentre anyway so it might as well carry on a little bit extra.
The downside is it cuts off a connection to IKEA and other parts of the Metrocentre, but I guess that's probably not important at the minute.
I'd really like them to bring back the S1, I've lost count of the times the X66 to ASDA/IKEA has been severely late or not turned up at all.

Andreos1



14,155
26 May 2020, 1:25 pm #26
(26 May 2020, 1:18 pm)streetdeckfan That's the best change IMO, It was always a right faff trying to get to Arnison centre, now there's the 21 and X20 

I wonder if the X66/1A change will be permanent, my guess is they've just added it on because the 1A sits around for a while at Metrocentre anyway so it might as well carry on a little bit extra.
The downside is it cuts off a connection to IKEA and other parts of the Metrocentre, but I guess that's probably not important at the minute.
I'd really like them to bring back the S1, I've lost count of the times the X66 to ASDA/IKEA has been severely late or not turned up at all.

A faff from anywhere but Durham, Sacriston or Chester.
14 and 50 already served it on a decent enough frequency. The walk from Pity Me isn't too arduous for many getting on/off the 21/X21 as it stands and there's the ANE services too. 

The changes haven't really opened up too many new travelling opportunities to the Arnison that weren't there already.

'Illegitimis non carborundum'
Andreos1
26 May 2020, 1:25 pm #26

(26 May 2020, 1:18 pm)streetdeckfan That's the best change IMO, It was always a right faff trying to get to Arnison centre, now there's the 21 and X20 

I wonder if the X66/1A change will be permanent, my guess is they've just added it on because the 1A sits around for a while at Metrocentre anyway so it might as well carry on a little bit extra.
The downside is it cuts off a connection to IKEA and other parts of the Metrocentre, but I guess that's probably not important at the minute.
I'd really like them to bring back the S1, I've lost count of the times the X66 to ASDA/IKEA has been severely late or not turned up at all.

A faff from anywhere but Durham, Sacriston or Chester.
14 and 50 already served it on a decent enough frequency. The walk from Pity Me isn't too arduous for many getting on/off the 21/X21 as it stands and there's the ANE services too. 

The changes haven't really opened up too many new travelling opportunities to the Arnison that weren't there already.


'Illegitimis non carborundum'

26 May 2020, 1:29 pm #27
(26 May 2020, 1:25 pm)Andreos1 A faff from anywhere but Durham, Sacriston or Chester.
14 and 50 already served it on a decent enough frequency. The walk from Pity Me isn't too arduous for many getting on/off the 21/X21 as it stands and there's the ANE services too. 

The changes haven't really opened up too many new travelling opportunities to the Arnison that weren't there already.

I used to travel there pretty regularly from Newcastle and Bishop and the times never seemed to match up, so I always ended up having to do the walk from Pity me off the X21.
streetdeckfan
26 May 2020, 1:29 pm #27

(26 May 2020, 1:25 pm)Andreos1 A faff from anywhere but Durham, Sacriston or Chester.
14 and 50 already served it on a decent enough frequency. The walk from Pity Me isn't too arduous for many getting on/off the 21/X21 as it stands and there's the ANE services too. 

The changes haven't really opened up too many new travelling opportunities to the Arnison that weren't there already.

I used to travel there pretty regularly from Newcastle and Bishop and the times never seemed to match up, so I always ended up having to do the walk from Pity me off the X21.

cbma06



2,669
26 May 2020, 1:34 pm #28
I’m surprised that the hourly 55 that terminates at Peterlee didn’t get extended to station Town replacing service 202, while the other 55 is replacing the 206, I was surprised that GNE pulling out of Hartlepool altogether.


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cbma06
26 May 2020, 1:34 pm #28

I’m surprised that the hourly 55 that terminates at Peterlee didn’t get extended to station Town replacing service 202, while the other 55 is replacing the 206, I was surprised that GNE pulling out of Hartlepool altogether.


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LeeCalder



1,928
26 May 2020, 1:38 pm #29
It would seem as though Barley Mow, Vigo, Portobello, Portmeads and Eighton Banks have now lost their direct link to QE Hospital.

These are large communities, sub-standard response by GNE of "you can easily change at Wrekenton".

A change which will hit the pockets of passengers, who will now have to purchase a Day Ticket or multiple single tickets.
LeeCalder
26 May 2020, 1:38 pm #29

It would seem as though Barley Mow, Vigo, Portobello, Portmeads and Eighton Banks have now lost their direct link to QE Hospital.

These are large communities, sub-standard response by GNE of "you can easily change at Wrekenton".

A change which will hit the pockets of passengers, who will now have to purchase a Day Ticket or multiple single tickets.

Andreos1



14,155
26 May 2020, 1:42 pm #30
(26 May 2020, 1:38 pm)LeeCalder It would seem as though Barley Mow, Vigo, Portobello, Portmeads and Eighton Banks have now lost their direct link to QE Hospital.

These are large communities, sub-standard response by GNE of "you can easily change at Wrekenton".

A change which will hit the pockets of passengers, who will now have to purchase a Day Ticket or multiple single tickets.

I was literally just about to post similar regarding the 25. Mentions by James101 of Hartlepool not being served by the operator for the first time in a very long time. If ever. 
I think it's the first time in a very long time (certainly as far as I can remember) that vast swathes of Birtley hasn't had a direct service to the QE.

'Illegitimis non carborundum'
Andreos1
26 May 2020, 1:42 pm #30

(26 May 2020, 1:38 pm)LeeCalder It would seem as though Barley Mow, Vigo, Portobello, Portmeads and Eighton Banks have now lost their direct link to QE Hospital.

These are large communities, sub-standard response by GNE of "you can easily change at Wrekenton".

A change which will hit the pockets of passengers, who will now have to purchase a Day Ticket or multiple single tickets.

I was literally just about to post similar regarding the 25. Mentions by James101 of Hartlepool not being served by the operator for the first time in a very long time. If ever. 
I think it's the first time in a very long time (certainly as far as I can remember) that vast swathes of Birtley hasn't had a direct service to the QE.


'Illegitimis non carborundum'

Michael



19,144
26 May 2020, 1:46 pm #31
PVR changes due to services from 1st June: (missed out the ones which will go back to full service later, such as the 56/60)


1A/1B: 13 PVR
4: 10 PVR
X6/X7: 3 PVR
9: 5 PVR
13: 1 PVR
X20: 6 PVR
20: Same as pre-covid PVR
21: Same as pre-covid PVR
X21: 4 PVR
25: 6 PVR
26/27: 14 PVR
33: 2 PVR
34: 3 PVR
38/38A: 2 PVR
39/39A: 8 PVR
49/49A: 6 PVR
55: 6 PVR
61: 5 PVR
X66- 3 PVR
71: 2 PVR
201: 1 PVR
209/210: 1 PVR

Think those are right?

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Also looks like the Scania's won't see service again at Deptford... i can't even remember the PVR's before COVID-19 so can't compare some of them, but i would think the drop in the PVR would allow these and a few more of the Omnicities to get withdrawn.


Will the X6/X7/X20 interwork still?, thinking more of the X20 getting delayed at Durham etc, also 3 more Solo's need to be repainted, unless they're split and X20 gets Streetlites in X-Lines livery?

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.
Michael
26 May 2020, 1:46 pm #31

PVR changes due to services from 1st June: (missed out the ones which will go back to full service later, such as the 56/60)


1A/1B: 13 PVR
4: 10 PVR
X6/X7: 3 PVR
9: 5 PVR
13: 1 PVR
X20: 6 PVR
20: Same as pre-covid PVR
21: Same as pre-covid PVR
X21: 4 PVR
25: 6 PVR
26/27: 14 PVR
33: 2 PVR
34: 3 PVR
38/38A: 2 PVR
39/39A: 8 PVR
49/49A: 6 PVR
55: 6 PVR
61: 5 PVR
X66- 3 PVR
71: 2 PVR
201: 1 PVR
209/210: 1 PVR

Think those are right?

------------

Also looks like the Scania's won't see service again at Deptford... i can't even remember the PVR's before COVID-19 so can't compare some of them, but i would think the drop in the PVR would allow these and a few more of the Omnicities to get withdrawn.


Will the X6/X7/X20 interwork still?, thinking more of the X20 getting delayed at Durham etc, also 3 more Solo's need to be repainted, unless they're split and X20 gets Streetlites in X-Lines livery?


Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

JP6004



1,833
26 May 2020, 2:00 pm #32
(26 May 2020, 1:46 pm)Michael PVR changes due to services from 1st June: (missed out the ones which will go back to full service later, such as the 56/60)


1A/1B: 13 PVR
4: 10 PVR
X6/X7: 3 PVR
9: 5 PVR
13: 1 PVR
X20: 6 PVR
20: Same as pre-covid PVR
21: Same as pre-covid PVR
X21: 4 PVR
25: 6 PVR
26/27: 14 PVR
33: 2 PVR
34: 3 PVR
38/38A: 2 PVR
39/39A: 8 PVR
49/49A: 6 PVR
55: 6 PVR
61: 5 PVR
X66- 3 PVR
71: 2 PVR
201: 1 PVR
209/210: 1 PVR

Think those are right?

------------

Also looks like the Scania's won't see service again at Deptford... i can't even remember the PVR's before COVID-19 so can't compare some of them, but i would think the drop in the PVR would allow these and a few more of the Omnicities to get withdrawn.


Will the X6/X7/X20 interwork still, as 3 more Solo's would need to be repainted.

May see X20 upgraded to singles with the extension.....

Hopefully L94 wont be back out. Sad to see them go,but long overdue
JP6004
26 May 2020, 2:00 pm #32

(26 May 2020, 1:46 pm)Michael PVR changes due to services from 1st June: (missed out the ones which will go back to full service later, such as the 56/60)


1A/1B: 13 PVR
4: 10 PVR
X6/X7: 3 PVR
9: 5 PVR
13: 1 PVR
X20: 6 PVR
20: Same as pre-covid PVR
21: Same as pre-covid PVR
X21: 4 PVR
25: 6 PVR
26/27: 14 PVR
33: 2 PVR
34: 3 PVR
38/38A: 2 PVR
39/39A: 8 PVR
49/49A: 6 PVR
55: 6 PVR
61: 5 PVR
X66- 3 PVR
71: 2 PVR
201: 1 PVR
209/210: 1 PVR

Think those are right?

------------

Also looks like the Scania's won't see service again at Deptford... i can't even remember the PVR's before COVID-19 so can't compare some of them, but i would think the drop in the PVR would allow these and a few more of the Omnicities to get withdrawn.


Will the X6/X7/X20 interwork still, as 3 more Solo's would need to be repainted.

May see X20 upgraded to singles with the extension.....

Hopefully L94 wont be back out. Sad to see them go,but long overdue

Michael



19,144
26 May 2020, 2:03 pm #33
(26 May 2020, 2:00 pm)JP6004 May see X20 upgraded to singles with the extension.....

Hopefully L94 wont be back out. Sad to see them go,but long overdue

Ye, i just edited my post, to include the X20 likely to be upgraded to Streetlites haha - i wonder if this is where the Red Kite streetlites (refurbished?) are supposed to go?, the X-Lines livery would look good on a Streetlite mind.


Sad to see the Scania's go... glad i got one last ride before lockdown etc.

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.
Michael
26 May 2020, 2:03 pm #33

(26 May 2020, 2:00 pm)JP6004 May see X20 upgraded to singles with the extension.....

Hopefully L94 wont be back out. Sad to see them go,but long overdue

Ye, i just edited my post, to include the X20 likely to be upgraded to Streetlites haha - i wonder if this is where the Red Kite streetlites (refurbished?) are supposed to go?, the X-Lines livery would look good on a Streetlite mind.


Sad to see the Scania's go... glad i got one last ride before lockdown etc.


Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

JP6004



1,833
26 May 2020, 2:06 pm #34
(26 May 2020, 2:03 pm)Michael Ye, i just edited my post, to include the X20 likely to be upgraded to Streetlites haha - i wonder if this is where the Red Kite streetlites (refurbished?) are supposed to go?, the X-Lines livery would look good on a Streetlite mind.


Sad to see the Scania's go... glad i got one last ride before lockdown etc.
Now think that sounds like a good probability...
JP6004
26 May 2020, 2:06 pm #34

(26 May 2020, 2:03 pm)Michael Ye, i just edited my post, to include the X20 likely to be upgraded to Streetlites haha - i wonder if this is where the Red Kite streetlites (refurbished?) are supposed to go?, the X-Lines livery would look good on a Streetlite mind.


Sad to see the Scania's go... glad i got one last ride before lockdown etc.
Now think that sounds like a good probability...

26 May 2020, 2:20 pm #35
(26 May 2020, 2:03 pm)Michael Ye, i just edited my post, to include the X20 likely to be upgraded to Streetlites haha - i wonder if this is where the Red Kite streetlites (refurbished?) are supposed to go?, the X-Lines livery would look good on a Streetlite mind.


Sad to see the Scania's go... glad i got one last ride before lockdown etc.
Weren’t the Red Kites meant for the 35 when the Streetdecks (finally) arrive at Consett? 

Are there are refurbished spare single deck buses that could be for the X20?
Adtrainsam
26 May 2020, 2:20 pm #35

(26 May 2020, 2:03 pm)Michael Ye, i just edited my post, to include the X20 likely to be upgraded to Streetlites haha - i wonder if this is where the Red Kite streetlites (refurbished?) are supposed to go?, the X-Lines livery would look good on a Streetlite mind.


Sad to see the Scania's go... glad i got one last ride before lockdown etc.
Weren’t the Red Kites meant for the 35 when the Streetdecks (finally) arrive at Consett? 

Are there are refurbished spare single deck buses that could be for the X20?

Michael



19,144
26 May 2020, 2:27 pm #36
(26 May 2020, 2:20 pm)Adtrainsam Weren’t the Red Kites meant for the 35 when the Streetdecks (finally) arrive at Consett? 

Are there are refurbished spare single deck buses that could be for the X20?

It was never confirmed, but was confirmed they would go to Deptford, but with the above changes, the PVR drops - so other buses could go on the services until those Streetlites come free, as the new buses are now arriving late Summer.

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.
Michael
26 May 2020, 2:27 pm #36

(26 May 2020, 2:20 pm)Adtrainsam Weren’t the Red Kites meant for the 35 when the Streetdecks (finally) arrive at Consett? 

Are there are refurbished spare single deck buses that could be for the X20?

It was never confirmed, but was confirmed they would go to Deptford, but with the above changes, the PVR drops - so other buses could go on the services until those Streetlites come free, as the new buses are now arriving late Summer.


Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

cbma06



2,669
26 May 2020, 2:27 pm #37
(26 May 2020, 2:20 pm)Adtrainsam Weren’t the Red Kites meant for the 35 when the Streetdecks (finally) arrive at Consett? 

Are there are refurbished spare single deck buses that could be for the X20?


Dan already mentioned a few months ago that the red kite streetlites are not going on the 35, I was thinking at the time that those streetlites would go on the 55


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cbma06
26 May 2020, 2:27 pm #37

(26 May 2020, 2:20 pm)Adtrainsam Weren’t the Red Kites meant for the 35 when the Streetdecks (finally) arrive at Consett? 

Are there are refurbished spare single deck buses that could be for the X20?


Dan already mentioned a few months ago that the red kite streetlites are not going on the 35, I was thinking at the time that those streetlites would go on the 55


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JP6004



1,833
26 May 2020, 2:39 pm #38
(26 May 2020, 2:27 pm)cbma06 Dan already mentioned  a few months ago that the red kite streetlites are not going on the 35, I was thinking at the time that those streetlites would go on the 55


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Well they a few to spread around  no doubt all will become clear soon as Streetdecks nigh on complete.
JP6004
26 May 2020, 2:39 pm #38

(26 May 2020, 2:27 pm)cbma06 Dan already mentioned  a few months ago that the red kite streetlites are not going on the 35, I was thinking at the time that those streetlites would go on the 55


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Well they a few to spread around  no doubt all will become clear soon as Streetdecks nigh on complete.

Michael



19,144
26 May 2020, 3:15 pm #39
(26 May 2020, 2:39 pm)JP6004 Well they a few to spread around  no doubt all will become clear soon as Streetdecks nigh on complete.

Ye, rumours was:


Deptford to gain the 8 Streetlites from the Red Kite (confirmed) - personally now, i think these will go on the new X20 service now after a small refurbishment.

6149 - 6154 to Riverside for the Loop

Red Arrow B9's will move to a Newcastle service due to the upgraded Euro 6 engine.


Most/all the Omnidekka's will move to replace the Plaxton President's and the East Lancs Myllennium Vyking's.

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GNE did a post about the changes and not one person has read them....... and asking questions which they'll find in the article

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.
Michael
26 May 2020, 3:15 pm #39

(26 May 2020, 2:39 pm)JP6004 Well they a few to spread around  no doubt all will become clear soon as Streetdecks nigh on complete.

Ye, rumours was:


Deptford to gain the 8 Streetlites from the Red Kite (confirmed) - personally now, i think these will go on the new X20 service now after a small refurbishment.

6149 - 6154 to Riverside for the Loop

Red Arrow B9's will move to a Newcastle service due to the upgraded Euro 6 engine.


Most/all the Omnidekka's will move to replace the Plaxton President's and the East Lancs Myllennium Vyking's.

-----------


GNE did a post about the changes and not one person has read them....... and asking questions which they'll find in the article


Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

JP6004



1,833
26 May 2020, 3:21 pm #40
(26 May 2020, 3:15 pm)Michael Ye, rumours was:


Deptford to gain the 8 Streetlites from the Red Kite (confirmed) - personally now, i think these will go on the new X20 service now after a small refurbishment.

6149 - 6154 to Riverside for the Loop

Red Arrow B9's will move to a Newcastle service due to the upgraded Euro 6 engine.


Most/all the Omnidekka's will move to replace the Plaxton President's and the East Lancs Myllennium Vyking's.

-----------


GNE did a post about the changes and not one person has read them....... and asking questions which they'll find in the article
Tell me about it, some people dont know how to tie their own shoelaces
JP6004
26 May 2020, 3:21 pm #40

(26 May 2020, 3:15 pm)Michael Ye, rumours was:


Deptford to gain the 8 Streetlites from the Red Kite (confirmed) - personally now, i think these will go on the new X20 service now after a small refurbishment.

6149 - 6154 to Riverside for the Loop

Red Arrow B9's will move to a Newcastle service due to the upgraded Euro 6 engine.


Most/all the Omnidekka's will move to replace the Plaxton President's and the East Lancs Myllennium Vyking's.

-----------


GNE did a post about the changes and not one person has read them....... and asking questions which they'll find in the article
Tell me about it, some people dont know how to tie their own shoelaces

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