(24 Feb 2021, 10:18 pm)streetdeckfan Yeah, that's them. I had a quick look around but couldn't find any photos. Looking at those, they actually look worse than the Ciclos!
(24 Feb 2021, 10:21 pm)James101 Whilst we’re on the progression of comfort in recent years in surprised no-ones brought up the ex-London Olympians Arriva had for a bit (photo from gjm):
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gjm-photog...5749344583
The rear seat being an anti-vandal spec solid plastic type as found in your local 1990s playpark. Rode one on the 22 a few times and Silent Bank took about a fortnight. Also freezing and sloshing rainwater on the floor. Maybe present-day Arriva aren’t so bad.
(24 Feb 2021, 10:18 pm)streetdeckfan Yeah, that's them. I had a quick look around but couldn't find any photos. Looking at those, they actually look worse than the Ciclos!
(24 Feb 2021, 10:21 pm)James101 Whilst we’re on the progression of comfort in recent years in surprised no-ones brought up the ex-London Olympians Arriva had for a bit (photo from gjm):
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gjm-photog...5749344583
The rear seat being an anti-vandal spec solid plastic type as found in your local 1990s playpark. Rode one on the 22 a few times and Silent Bank took about a fortnight. Also freezing and sloshing rainwater on the floor. Maybe present-day Arriva aren’t so bad.
(24 Feb 2021, 10:33 pm)Storx Horrid seats both of them tbh, don't understand why they'd even think about specing them tbh. I know London has the Ciclo's as they're vandal proof 'supposedly' but they're hated with the Urbans.
They look quite pleasant to the non native Scania's that ended up at Blyth and Jesmond. https://www.flickr.com/photos/emdjt42/5951199384/ - That's one of the better ones aswell rather than the ones which used to have the mismatching red seats from Arriva Midland Fox like this one https://www.flickr.com/photos/mcw1987/8130547047/ which had enough leg room for a dwarf and stayed around way too long aswell (2012 that's taken) - https://www.flickr.com/photos/emdjt42/6358669453/, that's the interior and they we're on the Blyth expresses.
https://www.flickriver.com/photos/emdjt42/3546042097/ - I wasn't looking for that, was trying to find the one I mentioned above but oh dear at that, don't think we ever seen them North of the Tyne though.
(24 Feb 2021, 10:33 pm)Storx Horrid seats both of them tbh, don't understand why they'd even think about specing them tbh. I know London has the Ciclo's as they're vandal proof 'supposedly' but they're hated with the Urbans.
They look quite pleasant to the non native Scania's that ended up at Blyth and Jesmond. https://www.flickr.com/photos/emdjt42/5951199384/ - That's one of the better ones aswell rather than the ones which used to have the mismatching red seats from Arriva Midland Fox like this one https://www.flickr.com/photos/mcw1987/8130547047/ which had enough leg room for a dwarf and stayed around way too long aswell (2012 that's taken) - https://www.flickr.com/photos/emdjt42/6358669453/, that's the interior and they we're on the Blyth expresses.
https://www.flickriver.com/photos/emdjt42/3546042097/ - I wasn't looking for that, was trying to find the one I mentioned above but oh dear at that, don't think we ever seen them North of the Tyne though.
(24 Feb 2021, 10:59 pm)L469 YVK What is the trim name for the "dotted trim" that was fitted on 7410-7420? (Pxxx CCU)
(24 Feb 2021, 10:59 pm)L469 YVK What is the trim name for the "dotted trim" that was fitted on 7410-7420? (Pxxx CCU)
(24 Feb 2021, 7:27 pm)mb134 I honestly think it depends on what element of the bus we're talking about, it isn't black and white. In terms of the actual vehicles, I'd always have more faith in an Olympian getting me somewhere than I'd have in an E400/StreetDeck. Equally, I'd always prefer the old Northumbria style (https://flic.kr/p/7RXw7G) DP seating to a Civic V3 which is the norm these days.
That said, the general ambience of a new vehicle is far more pleasant than something from even 10-15 years ago. Things like improved interior lighting, better fixtures and fittings and improved material choices/colours all contribute to passengers feeling more comfortable in their surroundings, particularly on later journeys where its dark and older vehicles were quite gloomy. Not to mention how certain batches of older vehicles were in the rain, or over the winter, with water ingress issues and poor heating. Then things like WiFi, NSAs, USBs all add to that.
(24 Feb 2021, 7:27 pm)mb134 I honestly think it depends on what element of the bus we're talking about, it isn't black and white. In terms of the actual vehicles, I'd always have more faith in an Olympian getting me somewhere than I'd have in an E400/StreetDeck. Equally, I'd always prefer the old Northumbria style (https://flic.kr/p/7RXw7G) DP seating to a Civic V3 which is the norm these days.
That said, the general ambience of a new vehicle is far more pleasant than something from even 10-15 years ago. Things like improved interior lighting, better fixtures and fittings and improved material choices/colours all contribute to passengers feeling more comfortable in their surroundings, particularly on later journeys where its dark and older vehicles were quite gloomy. Not to mention how certain batches of older vehicles were in the rain, or over the winter, with water ingress issues and poor heating. Then things like WiFi, NSAs, USBs all add to that.
(25 Feb 2021, 1:20 am)Jimmi Never had those Volvo Olympian's but believe the Scania single deckers had the same seats and they were quite possibly the best bus seats I've ever come across.
The ride quality on buses now is absolutely diabolical in a lot of instances, I've been to rallies and had preserved buses all day float along roads with barely a rattle... and then it's time to go home and I have to be subjected to a StreetLite where you feel every little bump in the road and rattle/idle like the bus is shivering from being subjected to sub zero temperatures, I had one of Darlington's on the Dalesbus 830 to Hawes in 2019 and everyone thought it was gonna break their spines it was that unpleasant of a ride but yet Solo's didn't have this issue anywhere near as much.
The seating in a lot of modern stuff isn't anywhere near as comfortable in some cases IMO, even on some that are considered to be 'high spec' the e-leather ones being the worst especially the early GNE ones like on 16 plate Decks and Arriva's in most cases are even worse, absolute torture the time I had an 'Eco Green' Lite for a full 685 journey with them very firm seats.
Whilst buses are much more visually pleasing in many cases and stuff like WiFi and USB ports are nice, I feel the quality has dipped significantly in about the last 10-20 years in terms of comfort at least and supposedly in at least some cases the newer stuff is considered to be less robust, less reliable and require more in the way of work including new engines, some buses are hitting the road and new engines or serious work is required within the first week or so of them entering service.
Naturally not all the stuff from the past was brilliant, there was some elements from back then that is best left to the history books.
(25 Feb 2021, 1:20 am)Jimmi Never had those Volvo Olympian's but believe the Scania single deckers had the same seats and they were quite possibly the best bus seats I've ever come across.
The ride quality on buses now is absolutely diabolical in a lot of instances, I've been to rallies and had preserved buses all day float along roads with barely a rattle... and then it's time to go home and I have to be subjected to a StreetLite where you feel every little bump in the road and rattle/idle like the bus is shivering from being subjected to sub zero temperatures, I had one of Darlington's on the Dalesbus 830 to Hawes in 2019 and everyone thought it was gonna break their spines it was that unpleasant of a ride but yet Solo's didn't have this issue anywhere near as much.
The seating in a lot of modern stuff isn't anywhere near as comfortable in some cases IMO, even on some that are considered to be 'high spec' the e-leather ones being the worst especially the early GNE ones like on 16 plate Decks and Arriva's in most cases are even worse, absolute torture the time I had an 'Eco Green' Lite for a full 685 journey with them very firm seats.
Whilst buses are much more visually pleasing in many cases and stuff like WiFi and USB ports are nice, I feel the quality has dipped significantly in about the last 10-20 years in terms of comfort at least and supposedly in at least some cases the newer stuff is considered to be less robust, less reliable and require more in the way of work including new engines, some buses are hitting the road and new engines or serious work is required within the first week or so of them entering service.
Naturally not all the stuff from the past was brilliant, there was some elements from back then that is best left to the history books.
. But I remember the terror of Lowlanders on the 722/723 from Newcastle to Darlington.
Thing is, not everyone is going to agree, and the general public will be the same. It's like milk, some prefer skimmed, others like semi skinned, many like full fat, some don't like it at all or cannot drink it. Everyone is different and have different requirements.
Also with regards to the Urban 90s, there was one positive to them, after about 15 minutes you lose all feeling in your bottom so they feel as uncomfortable . But I remember the terror of Lowlanders on the 722/723 from Newcastle to Darlington.
5377 has been repainted in 2019 fleet livery - https://www.flickr.com/photos/danielgrah...8465371668 - Photo by Dan Graham.
(02 Mar 2021, 2:43 pm)Michael Are 6094- 6097 near completion of repaint/refurb, as they're the only "CityRider" B9's left to return, they seem to of done them quite quick.
(02 Mar 2021, 2:43 pm)Michael Are 6094- 6097 near completion of repaint/refurb, as they're the only "CityRider" B9's left to return, they seem to of done them quite quick.
(09 Mar 2021, 3:16 pm)Dan They're planned to return tomorrow (6096) and Saturday (6097).
How about a little game of spot the difference....
1. https://flic.kr/p/2kKv4io
2. https://flic.kr/p/2kKuwX7
(Guessing this is just a trick of the camera somehow, as it’s obviously the same bus and seems to have been taken at the same exact spot).
(13 Mar 2021, 1:47 pm)ne14ne1 How about a little game of spot the difference....White destination board
1. https://flic.kr/p/2kKv4io
2. https://flic.kr/p/2kKuwX7
(Guessing this is just a trick of the camera somehow, as it’s obviously the same bus and seems to have been taken at the same exact spot).
(13 Mar 2021, 1:47 pm)ne14ne1 How about a little game of spot the difference....White destination board
1. https://flic.kr/p/2kKv4io
2. https://flic.kr/p/2kKuwX7
(Guessing this is just a trick of the camera somehow, as it’s obviously the same bus and seems to have been taken at the same exact spot).
Does anyone know whats happened to the toonlink scania single decks. They have a awful habbit of suddenly reappearing everytime you think you got rid of them.
