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LeeCalder



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12 Oct 2021, 1:17 pm #141
(12 Oct 2021, 1:09 pm)Stuartphin1639 Went past riverside depot on my way to the metro, when I went past there was just a spare voltra branded vehicle parked there, just on my way back and by the looks of things more have been delivered, does anyone know what they are for?

There is currently a McGill's Yutong E12 at Riverside.
LeeCalder
12 Oct 2021, 1:17 pm #141

(12 Oct 2021, 1:09 pm)Stuartphin1639 Went past riverside depot on my way to the metro, when I went past there was just a spare voltra branded vehicle parked there, just on my way back and by the looks of things more have been delivered, does anyone know what they are for?

There is currently a McGill's Yutong E12 at Riverside.

ne14ne1



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13 Oct 2021, 6:26 am #142
(12 Oct 2021, 1:09 pm)Stuartphin1639 Went past riverside depot on my way to the metro, when I went past there was just a spare voltra branded vehicle parked there, just on my way back and by the looks of things more have been delivered, does anyone know what they are for?

Ah was it these you saw?

https://flic.kr/p/2mAcVWs

Sounds like they might’ve been there to charge up before continuing on their journey elsewhere.
ne14ne1
13 Oct 2021, 6:26 am #142

(12 Oct 2021, 1:09 pm)Stuartphin1639 Went past riverside depot on my way to the metro, when I went past there was just a spare voltra branded vehicle parked there, just on my way back and by the looks of things more have been delivered, does anyone know what they are for?

Ah was it these you saw?

https://flic.kr/p/2mAcVWs

Sounds like they might’ve been there to charge up before continuing on their journey elsewhere.

ne14ne1



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27 Oct 2021, 12:55 pm #143
The Net Zero liveried Enviro400 City EV that’s currently on tour called into Riverside:

https://twitter.com/martijngne/status/14...62050?s=21

https://flic.kr/p/2mEBsMm


…and MG indicates GNE will be trialling one soon.
ne14ne1
27 Oct 2021, 12:55 pm #143

The Net Zero liveried Enviro400 City EV that’s currently on tour called into Riverside:

https://twitter.com/martijngne/status/14...62050?s=21

https://flic.kr/p/2mEBsMm


…and MG indicates GNE will be trialling one soon.

ne14ne1



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27 Oct 2021, 1:11 pm #144
And some figures on the fuel saving from the Yutongs:

https://twitter.com/transportwm/status/1...17125?s=21

9 buses.
300,000 miles a year run on Green electricity.
180,000 litres of diesel saved.
That's 470,000 kg of C02 not entering the atmosphere.
ne14ne1
27 Oct 2021, 1:11 pm #144

And some figures on the fuel saving from the Yutongs:

https://twitter.com/transportwm/status/1...17125?s=21

9 buses.
300,000 miles a year run on Green electricity.
180,000 litres of diesel saved.
That's 470,000 kg of C02 not entering the atmosphere.

Keeiajs

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27 Oct 2021, 1:29 pm #145
(27 Oct 2021, 1:11 pm)ne14ne1 And some figures on the fuel saving from the Yutongs:

https://twitter.com/transportwm/status/1...17125?s=21

9 buses.
300,000 miles a year run on Green electricity.
180,000 litres of diesel saved.
That's 470,000 kg of C02 not entering the atmosphere.
that is around £250K saved in diesel money.
Keeiajs
27 Oct 2021, 1:29 pm #145

(27 Oct 2021, 1:11 pm)ne14ne1 And some figures on the fuel saving from the Yutongs:

https://twitter.com/transportwm/status/1...17125?s=21

9 buses.
300,000 miles a year run on Green electricity.
180,000 litres of diesel saved.
That's 470,000 kg of C02 not entering the atmosphere.
that is around £250K saved in diesel money.

27 Oct 2021, 5:29 pm #146
Not sure if this is similar to the ones recently introduced in edinburgh, but having been on the Lothian ones, quite a nice ride and comfortable as well


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atlantean560
27 Oct 2021, 5:29 pm #146

Not sure if this is similar to the ones recently introduced in edinburgh, but having been on the Lothian ones, quite a nice ride and comfortable as well


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Andreos1



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28 Oct 2021, 11:50 am #147
(27 Oct 2021, 1:11 pm)ne14ne1 And some figures on the fuel saving from the Yutongs:

https://twitter.com/transportwm/status/1...17125?s=21

9 buses.
300,000 miles a year run on Green electricity.
180,000 litres of diesel saved.
That's 470,000 kg of C02 not entering the atmosphere.

It will be interesting to see how sustainable electric vehicles are going to be, when the wholesale prices are going up across Europe.
I'm sure I read somewhere, that some tocs have been reverting back to diesel ops when available as it works out cheaper.

'Illegitimis non carborundum'
Andreos1
28 Oct 2021, 11:50 am #147

(27 Oct 2021, 1:11 pm)ne14ne1 And some figures on the fuel saving from the Yutongs:

https://twitter.com/transportwm/status/1...17125?s=21

9 buses.
300,000 miles a year run on Green electricity.
180,000 litres of diesel saved.
That's 470,000 kg of C02 not entering the atmosphere.

It will be interesting to see how sustainable electric vehicles are going to be, when the wholesale prices are going up across Europe.
I'm sure I read somewhere, that some tocs have been reverting back to diesel ops when available as it works out cheaper.


'Illegitimis non carborundum'

JP6004



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28 Oct 2021, 12:53 pm #148
(28 Oct 2021, 11:50 am)Andreos1 It will be interesting to see how sustainable electric vehicles are going to be, when the wholesale prices are going up across Europe.
I'm sure I read somewhere, that some tocs have been reverting back to diesel ops when available as it works out cheaper.
Its unsustainable for the rare metals to be mined to produce enough components for electric vehicles/turbines etc. Can see hydrogen overtaking electric in next 10 years
JP6004
28 Oct 2021, 12:53 pm #148

(28 Oct 2021, 11:50 am)Andreos1 It will be interesting to see how sustainable electric vehicles are going to be, when the wholesale prices are going up across Europe.
I'm sure I read somewhere, that some tocs have been reverting back to diesel ops when available as it works out cheaper.
Its unsustainable for the rare metals to be mined to produce enough components for electric vehicles/turbines etc. Can see hydrogen overtaking electric in next 10 years

28 Oct 2021, 3:24 pm #149
(28 Oct 2021, 12:53 pm)JP6004 Its unsustainable for the rare metals to be mined to produce enough components for electric vehicles/turbines etc. Can see hydrogen overtaking electric in next 10 years

I don't think Hydrogen is going to be a better solution for city work, even with buses. I have a feeling that BEVs will be for city cars, buses and commercial vehicles, whilst hydrogen and synthetic petroleum/electric hybrids will be used for long distance stuff, for all sorts of vehicles.
deanmachine
28 Oct 2021, 3:24 pm #149

(28 Oct 2021, 12:53 pm)JP6004 Its unsustainable for the rare metals to be mined to produce enough components for electric vehicles/turbines etc. Can see hydrogen overtaking electric in next 10 years

I don't think Hydrogen is going to be a better solution for city work, even with buses. I have a feeling that BEVs will be for city cars, buses and commercial vehicles, whilst hydrogen and synthetic petroleum/electric hybrids will be used for long distance stuff, for all sorts of vehicles.

Andreos1



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28 Oct 2021, 4:28 pm #150
(28 Oct 2021, 12:53 pm)JP6004 Its unsustainable for the rare metals to be mined to produce enough components for electric vehicles/turbines etc. Can see hydrogen overtaking electric in next 10 years

Agree. I can't see it lasting long term. 
Short/medium term, there's gonna be challenges if prices continue to rise like they have been.

'Illegitimis non carborundum'
Andreos1
28 Oct 2021, 4:28 pm #150

(28 Oct 2021, 12:53 pm)JP6004 Its unsustainable for the rare metals to be mined to produce enough components for electric vehicles/turbines etc. Can see hydrogen overtaking electric in next 10 years

Agree. I can't see it lasting long term. 
Short/medium term, there's gonna be challenges if prices continue to rise like they have been.


'Illegitimis non carborundum'

29 Oct 2021, 10:22 am #151
(28 Oct 2021, 11:50 am)Andreos1 It will be interesting to see how sustainable electric vehicles are going to be, when the wholesale prices are going up across Europe.
I'm sure I read somewhere, that some tocs have been reverting back to diesel ops when available as it works out cheaper.
Any idea when the next batch are due for delivery ?
ian foster
29 Oct 2021, 10:22 am #151

(28 Oct 2021, 11:50 am)Andreos1 It will be interesting to see how sustainable electric vehicles are going to be, when the wholesale prices are going up across Europe.
I'm sure I read somewhere, that some tocs have been reverting back to diesel ops when available as it works out cheaper.
Any idea when the next batch are due for delivery ?

IRHardy



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30 Oct 2021, 3:43 pm #152
(28 Oct 2021, 11:50 am)Andreos1 It will be interesting to see how sustainable electric vehicles are going to be, when the wholesale prices are going up across Europe.
I'm sure I read somewhere, that some tocs have been reverting back to diesel ops when available as it works out cheaper.

It was two Freight Operating Companies: Freightliner & Direct Rail Services, the FOCs pay as they use the electricity from Network Rail whereas the Passenger TOCs don't. The FOCs do not always operate all the services that are in the Working Timetable so they don't want to have a standing charge, whereas the TOCs (well pre-COVID) pretty much operated all the services that they planned to so the charges were not wasted.
IRHardy
30 Oct 2021, 3:43 pm #152

(28 Oct 2021, 11:50 am)Andreos1 It will be interesting to see how sustainable electric vehicles are going to be, when the wholesale prices are going up across Europe.
I'm sure I read somewhere, that some tocs have been reverting back to diesel ops when available as it works out cheaper.

It was two Freight Operating Companies: Freightliner & Direct Rail Services, the FOCs pay as they use the electricity from Network Rail whereas the Passenger TOCs don't. The FOCs do not always operate all the services that are in the Working Timetable so they don't want to have a standing charge, whereas the TOCs (well pre-COVID) pretty much operated all the services that they planned to so the charges were not wasted.

Andreos1



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31 Oct 2021, 4:31 pm #153
(30 Oct 2021, 3:43 pm)IRHardy It was two Freight Operating Companies: Freightliner & Direct Rail Services, the FOCs pay as they use the electricity from Network Rail whereas the Passenger TOCs don't. The FOCs do not always operate all the services that are in the Working Timetable so they don't want to have a standing charge, whereas the TOCs (well pre-COVID) pretty much operated all the services that they planned to so the charges were not wasted.

That's them. I hadn't heard the full tale or seen the full story at the time, but there's plenty online about it including this piece. https://www.railjournal.com/fleet/rising...-traction/

'Illegitimis non carborundum'
Andreos1
31 Oct 2021, 4:31 pm #153

(30 Oct 2021, 3:43 pm)IRHardy It was two Freight Operating Companies: Freightliner & Direct Rail Services, the FOCs pay as they use the electricity from Network Rail whereas the Passenger TOCs don't. The FOCs do not always operate all the services that are in the Working Timetable so they don't want to have a standing charge, whereas the TOCs (well pre-COVID) pretty much operated all the services that they planned to so the charges were not wasted.

That's them. I hadn't heard the full tale or seen the full story at the time, but there's plenty online about it including this piece. https://www.railjournal.com/fleet/rising...-traction/


'Illegitimis non carborundum'

ne14ne1



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10 Nov 2021, 12:14 pm #154
Next batch of EVs due around July 2022 (stated by MG on the Net Zero Transport NCC Policy Cabinet meeting yesterday - available to watch on NCC’s YouTube channel).

Not sure if that date was already known.

Kim Purcell (Arriva) also added that Arriva NE and Stagecoach NE will be trialling a hydrogen bus later in the year.
ne14ne1
10 Nov 2021, 12:14 pm #154

Next batch of EVs due around July 2022 (stated by MG on the Net Zero Transport NCC Policy Cabinet meeting yesterday - available to watch on NCC’s YouTube channel).

Not sure if that date was already known.

Kim Purcell (Arriva) also added that Arriva NE and Stagecoach NE will be trialling a hydrogen bus later in the year.

Keeiajs

563891

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10 Nov 2021, 12:56 pm #155
(10 Nov 2021, 12:14 pm)ne14ne1 Next batch of EVs due around July 2022 (stated by MG on the Net Zero Transport NCC Policy Cabinet meeting yesterday - available to watch on NCC’s YouTube channel).

Not sure if that date was already known.

Kim Purcell (Arriva) also added that Arriva NE and Stagecoach NE will be trialling a hydrogen bus later in the year.
That is just when the Newcaslte bring in their emissions charge, something tells me that the 57 may have to have some buses from other depots to cover it.
Keeiajs
10 Nov 2021, 12:56 pm #155

(10 Nov 2021, 12:14 pm)ne14ne1 Next batch of EVs due around July 2022 (stated by MG on the Net Zero Transport NCC Policy Cabinet meeting yesterday - available to watch on NCC’s YouTube channel).

Not sure if that date was already known.

Kim Purcell (Arriva) also added that Arriva NE and Stagecoach NE will be trialling a hydrogen bus later in the year.
That is just when the Newcaslte bring in their emissions charge, something tells me that the 57 may have to have some buses from other depots to cover it.

peter



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10 Nov 2021, 11:12 pm #156
(10 Nov 2021, 12:56 pm)Keeiajs That is just when the Newcaslte bring in their emissions charge, something tells me that the 57 may have to have some buses from other depots to cover it.
The 57 already has buses available for the time being - 5463-5469.
peter
10 Nov 2021, 11:12 pm #156

(10 Nov 2021, 12:56 pm)Keeiajs That is just when the Newcaslte bring in their emissions charge, something tells me that the 57 may have to have some buses from other depots to cover it.
The 57 already has buses available for the time being - 5463-5469.

ne14ne1



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22 Nov 2021, 12:42 pm #157
The Prime Minister with 8809 which was sporting a few additional temporary vinyls while serving as a shuttle at Port of Tyne today: 

https://twitter.com/martijngne/status/14...23683?s=21
ne14ne1
22 Nov 2021, 12:42 pm #157

The Prime Minister with 8809 which was sporting a few additional temporary vinyls while serving as a shuttle at Port of Tyne today: 

https://twitter.com/martijngne/status/14...23683?s=21

mb134



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22 Nov 2021, 12:57 pm #158
(22 Nov 2021, 12:42 pm)ne14ne1 The Prime Minister with 8809 which was sporting a few additional temporary vinyls while serving as a shuttle at Port of Tyne today: 

https://twitter.com/martijngne/status/14...23683?s=21

Glad this photo op for the PM didn't come at the cost of his speech preparation or anything like that...
mb134
22 Nov 2021, 12:57 pm #158

(22 Nov 2021, 12:42 pm)ne14ne1 The Prime Minister with 8809 which was sporting a few additional temporary vinyls while serving as a shuttle at Port of Tyne today: 

https://twitter.com/martijngne/status/14...23683?s=21

Glad this photo op for the PM didn't come at the cost of his speech preparation or anything like that...

Train8261



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22 Nov 2021, 1:13 pm #159
Go North East gonna get a mention on Look North or Tyne Tees news tonight
Train8261
22 Nov 2021, 1:13 pm #159

Go North East gonna get a mention on Look North or Tyne Tees news tonight

Dan

Site Administrator

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22 Nov 2021, 2:47 pm #160
(22 Nov 2021, 12:57 pm)mb134 Glad this photo op for the PM didn't come at the cost of his speech preparation or anything like that...


The photo was after the speech.


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Dan
22 Nov 2021, 2:47 pm #160

(22 Nov 2021, 12:57 pm)mb134 Glad this photo op for the PM didn't come at the cost of his speech preparation or anything like that...


The photo was after the speech.


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