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Michael



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01 Jan 2022, 1:43 pm #181
(31 Dec 2021, 5:44 pm)Bus3888 I think June-August was the 'rumour'

Thank you, Big Grin

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.
Michael
01 Jan 2022, 1:43 pm #181

(31 Dec 2021, 5:44 pm)Bus3888 I think June-August was the 'rumour'

Thank you, Big Grin


Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

01 Jan 2022, 2:14 pm #182
Electric buses would be great for the 74 as its a rural service, but I expect Arriva will get the 74 this year whenever the Hexham contracts get awarded.
OrangeArrow49
01 Jan 2022, 2:14 pm #182

Electric buses would be great for the 74 as its a rural service, but I expect Arriva will get the 74 this year whenever the Hexham contracts get awarded.

01 Jan 2022, 2:39 pm #183
(01 Jan 2022, 2:14 pm)OrangeArrow49 Electric buses would be great for the 74 as its a rural service, but I expect Arriva will get the 74  this year whenever the Hexham contracts get awarded.
Why would a rural service benefit from electric buses more than urban routes? Surely it's the other way round with high density, 'stop-start' routes benefitting much more from electric buses than an infrequent long distance route...
Adtrainsam
01 Jan 2022, 2:39 pm #183

(01 Jan 2022, 2:14 pm)OrangeArrow49 Electric buses would be great for the 74 as its a rural service, but I expect Arriva will get the 74  this year whenever the Hexham contracts get awarded.
Why would a rural service benefit from electric buses more than urban routes? Surely it's the other way round with high density, 'stop-start' routes benefitting much more from electric buses than an infrequent long distance route...

01 Jan 2022, 2:50 pm #184
(01 Jan 2022, 2:39 pm)Adtrainsam Why would a rural service benefit from electric buses more than urban routes? Surely it's the other way round with high density, 'stop-start' routes benefitting much more from electric buses than an infrequent long distance route...

I was thinking of it environmentally, keeping rural air fresh. Good point, I wonder if another Gateshead route will get the electric buses. 57? 58?
OrangeArrow49
01 Jan 2022, 2:50 pm #184

(01 Jan 2022, 2:39 pm)Adtrainsam Why would a rural service benefit from electric buses more than urban routes? Surely it's the other way round with high density, 'stop-start' routes benefitting much more from electric buses than an infrequent long distance route...

I was thinking of it environmentally, keeping rural air fresh. Good point, I wonder if another Gateshead route will get the electric buses. 57? 58?

Michael



19,140
01 Jan 2022, 3:03 pm #185
(01 Jan 2022, 2:50 pm)OrangeArrow49 I was thinking of it environmentally, keeping rural air fresh. Good point, I wonder if another Gateshead route will get the electric buses. 57? 58?

Was rumoured the 57 but the PVR dropped to 6, leaving 3 spare (4 overall + the current spare).... but I wonder if the 57 route will be changed to accomadate a higher PVR?

The 58 PVR is only 5.

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Edit:

Not sure how they would do on the 6/12/12A - unless interworking pattens are changed so the 6 is took out of it.

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.
Michael
01 Jan 2022, 3:03 pm #185

(01 Jan 2022, 2:50 pm)OrangeArrow49 I was thinking of it environmentally, keeping rural air fresh. Good point, I wonder if another Gateshead route will get the electric buses. 57? 58?

Was rumoured the 57 but the PVR dropped to 6, leaving 3 spare (4 overall + the current spare).... but I wonder if the 57 route will be changed to accomadate a higher PVR?

The 58 PVR is only 5.

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Edit:

Not sure how they would do on the 6/12/12A - unless interworking pattens are changed so the 6 is took out of it.


Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

Train8261



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01 Jan 2022, 3:42 pm #186
Don't understand why people think that branded routes such as the 58 would get electric buses when it's not even been a year for the EGR branding. The 57 I'm confused why it would if its Newcastle getting this new euro rating where the 57 stays in Newcastle for no more than 8 minutes roughly. I'd say 33 would be a good competition and the H but could be the 57
Train8261
01 Jan 2022, 3:42 pm #186

Don't understand why people think that branded routes such as the 58 would get electric buses when it's not even been a year for the EGR branding. The 57 I'm confused why it would if its Newcastle getting this new euro rating where the 57 stays in Newcastle for no more than 8 minutes roughly. I'd say 33 would be a good competition and the H but could be the 57

Michael



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01 Jan 2022, 3:55 pm #187
(01 Jan 2022, 3:42 pm)Train8261 Don't understand why people think that branded routes such as the 58 would get electric buses when it's not even been a year for the EGR branding. The 57 I'm confused why it would if its Newcastle getting this new euro rating where the 57 stays in Newcastle for no more than 8 minutes roughly. I'd say 33 would be a good competition and the H but could be the 57


33 and H are both contract services so it would be pointless upgrading them to euro 6 - as they may only end up on for a year or so... unless the new contracts say electric buses need to be allocated.

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.
Michael
01 Jan 2022, 3:55 pm #187

(01 Jan 2022, 3:42 pm)Train8261 Don't understand why people think that branded routes such as the 58 would get electric buses when it's not even been a year for the EGR branding. The 57 I'm confused why it would if its Newcastle getting this new euro rating where the 57 stays in Newcastle for no more than 8 minutes roughly. I'd say 33 would be a good competition and the H but could be the 57


33 and H are both contract services so it would be pointless upgrading them to euro 6 - as they may only end up on for a year or so... unless the new contracts say electric buses need to be allocated.


Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

peter



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01 Jan 2022, 4:19 pm #188
(01 Jan 2022, 3:03 pm)Michael Was rumoured the 57 but the PVR dropped to 6, leaving 3 spare (4 overall + the current spare).... but I wonder if the 57 route will be changed to accomadate a higher PVR?

The 58 PVR is only 5.

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Edit:

Not sure how they would do on the 6/12/12A - unless interworking pattens are changed so the 6 is took out of it.

(01 Jan 2022, 3:55 pm)Michael 33 and H are both contract services so it would be pointless upgrading them to euro 6 - as they may only end up on for a year or so... unless the new contracts say electric buses need to be allocated.

Pretty sure the PVR's of the 57 and 58 are 7 and 6 respectively. The 58 already has the B9's and the 6/12/12A interworking pattern has been discussed before on here and it sounds as though that won't be changing. Realistically the 57 is the prime candidate - since the Citaro's moved elsewhere it doesn't have a brand and with a PVR of 7 that's only 2 spare (3 overall). 

Assuming only 1 spare was being used on a particular day then the 33 would likely be a prime candidate for the spare Yutong's, freeing up Streetlites so the Euro 6 Versa's (8307-9/26-28) don't have to be used as spare on the Streetlite routes. Nothing to say the 33 wouldn't be kept on commercially by GNE if they happened to lose the contract.
peter
01 Jan 2022, 4:19 pm #188

(01 Jan 2022, 3:03 pm)Michael Was rumoured the 57 but the PVR dropped to 6, leaving 3 spare (4 overall + the current spare).... but I wonder if the 57 route will be changed to accomadate a higher PVR?

The 58 PVR is only 5.

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Edit:

Not sure how they would do on the 6/12/12A - unless interworking pattens are changed so the 6 is took out of it.

(01 Jan 2022, 3:55 pm)Michael 33 and H are both contract services so it would be pointless upgrading them to euro 6 - as they may only end up on for a year or so... unless the new contracts say electric buses need to be allocated.

Pretty sure the PVR's of the 57 and 58 are 7 and 6 respectively. The 58 already has the B9's and the 6/12/12A interworking pattern has been discussed before on here and it sounds as though that won't be changing. Realistically the 57 is the prime candidate - since the Citaro's moved elsewhere it doesn't have a brand and with a PVR of 7 that's only 2 spare (3 overall). 

Assuming only 1 spare was being used on a particular day then the 33 would likely be a prime candidate for the spare Yutong's, freeing up Streetlites so the Euro 6 Versa's (8307-9/26-28) don't have to be used as spare on the Streetlite routes. Nothing to say the 33 wouldn't be kept on commercially by GNE if they happened to lose the contract.

Storx



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01 Jan 2022, 5:43 pm #189
Has the Q3 been ruled out for definite, it seems like it's the route which would make most sense on paper. Spends most the time in Newcastle, goes through Gosforth, another high emission area, and the 53/54 now go down the Quayside and are pretty much the Q1/Q2 nowadays anyway.

Believe the PVR is 9 aswell and is the only route other than the Metrocentre shuttles to carry to Voltra swoop vs stripes like every other bus in the fleet. There's also the brand name of Quay'city' (Electri'city'). I know it was one of the routes trialed with the initial electric buses.
Storx
01 Jan 2022, 5:43 pm #189

Has the Q3 been ruled out for definite, it seems like it's the route which would make most sense on paper. Spends most the time in Newcastle, goes through Gosforth, another high emission area, and the 53/54 now go down the Quayside and are pretty much the Q1/Q2 nowadays anyway.

Believe the PVR is 9 aswell and is the only route other than the Metrocentre shuttles to carry to Voltra swoop vs stripes like every other bus in the fleet. There's also the brand name of Quay'city' (Electri'city'). I know it was one of the routes trialed with the initial electric buses.

peter



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01 Jan 2022, 6:50 pm #190
(01 Jan 2022, 5:43 pm)Storx Has the Q3 been ruled out for definite, it seems like it's the route which would make most sense on paper. Spends most the time in Newcastle, goes through Gosforth, another high emission area, and the 53/54 now go down the Quayside and are pretty much the Q1/Q2 nowadays anyway.

Believe the PVR is 9 aswell and is the only route other than the Metrocentre shuttles to carry to Voltra swoop vs stripes like every other bus in the fleet. There's also the brand name of Quay'city' (Electri'city'). I know it was one of the routes trialed with the initial electric buses.
Tbf I think the Q3 would make more sense than the 57, the only thing a tad odd is there's only 9 new Yutong's for a PVR of 9 so only 1 spare for 17 vehicles across the 53/54 and Q3 would be against the norm. Having said that 5499/5500 could be used as spares, with the Q3 Versa's going on the 57 and H shuttle.
peter
01 Jan 2022, 6:50 pm #190

(01 Jan 2022, 5:43 pm)Storx Has the Q3 been ruled out for definite, it seems like it's the route which would make most sense on paper. Spends most the time in Newcastle, goes through Gosforth, another high emission area, and the 53/54 now go down the Quayside and are pretty much the Q1/Q2 nowadays anyway.

Believe the PVR is 9 aswell and is the only route other than the Metrocentre shuttles to carry to Voltra swoop vs stripes like every other bus in the fleet. There's also the brand name of Quay'city' (Electri'city'). I know it was one of the routes trialed with the initial electric buses.
Tbf I think the Q3 would make more sense than the 57, the only thing a tad odd is there's only 9 new Yutong's for a PVR of 9 so only 1 spare for 17 vehicles across the 53/54 and Q3 would be against the norm. Having said that 5499/5500 could be used as spares, with the Q3 Versa's going on the 57 and H shuttle.

Storx



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01 Jan 2022, 7:45 pm #191
(01 Jan 2022, 6:50 pm)peter Tbf I think the Q3 would make more sense than the 57, the only thing a tad odd is there's only 9 new Yutong's for a PVR of 9 so only 1 spare for 17 vehicles across the 53/54 and Q3 would be against the norm. Having said that 5499/5500 could be used as spares, with the Q3 Versa's going on the 57 and H shuttle.

Yeah totally agreed, I don't know what the numbers on the Eastern side are like but the fact it ends at 7pm probably suggests it isn't great. They could easily cull 2 of them at St Peters Basin and drop the PVR down to 7 and only have it every 30 minutes East of there probably more than enough, the 12 is every 10 minutes along there already and supposedly they're trying to eliminate competition against each other on corridors.
Storx
01 Jan 2022, 7:45 pm #191

(01 Jan 2022, 6:50 pm)peter Tbf I think the Q3 would make more sense than the 57, the only thing a tad odd is there's only 9 new Yutong's for a PVR of 9 so only 1 spare for 17 vehicles across the 53/54 and Q3 would be against the norm. Having said that 5499/5500 could be used as spares, with the Q3 Versa's going on the 57 and H shuttle.

Yeah totally agreed, I don't know what the numbers on the Eastern side are like but the fact it ends at 7pm probably suggests it isn't great. They could easily cull 2 of them at St Peters Basin and drop the PVR down to 7 and only have it every 30 minutes East of there probably more than enough, the 12 is every 10 minutes along there already and supposedly they're trying to eliminate competition against each other on corridors.

Michael



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25 Jan 2022, 8:52 pm #192
Martijn tonight, on his live update has confirmed the next 9 electric buses will start to arrive from the 1st week of July.

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.
Michael
25 Jan 2022, 8:52 pm #192

Martijn tonight, on his live update has confirmed the next 9 electric buses will start to arrive from the 1st week of July.


Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

25 Jan 2022, 9:04 pm #193
(25 Jan 2022, 8:52 pm)Michael Martijn tonight, on his live update has confirmed the next 9 electric buses will start to arrive from the 1st week of July.

For the 57?
OrangeArrow49
25 Jan 2022, 9:04 pm #193

(25 Jan 2022, 8:52 pm)Michael Martijn tonight, on his live update has confirmed the next 9 electric buses will start to arrive from the 1st week of July.

For the 57?

Michael



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25 Jan 2022, 9:09 pm #194
(25 Jan 2022, 9:04 pm)OrangeArrow49 For the 57?

Unfortunately he didn't say.

No doubt they'll be in Volta livery.

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.
Michael
25 Jan 2022, 9:09 pm #194

(25 Jan 2022, 9:04 pm)OrangeArrow49 For the 57?

Unfortunately he didn't say.

No doubt they'll be in Volta livery.


Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

25 Jan 2022, 9:20 pm #195
(25 Jan 2022, 9:09 pm)Michael Unfortunately he didn't say.

No doubt they'll be in Volta livery.

57 is most likely (has no brand and needs replacement buses for the CAZ). 

Orange version of the Voltra livery I believe?

Are these electric buses the ZEBRA bid ones? Maybe the Hexham services could be yellow Voltra? 

684 is staying with Versas I guess? In a years time we might see another change in allocation for the 684.
OrangeArrow49
25 Jan 2022, 9:20 pm #195

(25 Jan 2022, 9:09 pm)Michael Unfortunately he didn't say.

No doubt they'll be in Volta livery.

57 is most likely (has no brand and needs replacement buses for the CAZ). 

Orange version of the Voltra livery I believe?

Are these electric buses the ZEBRA bid ones? Maybe the Hexham services could be yellow Voltra? 

684 is staying with Versas I guess? In a years time we might see another change in allocation for the 684.

Michael



19,140
25 Jan 2022, 9:22 pm #196
(25 Jan 2022, 9:20 pm)OrangeArrow49 57 is most likely (has no brand and needs replacement buses for the CAZ). 

Orange version of the Voltra livery I believe?

Are these electric buses the ZEBRA bid ones? Maybe the Hexham services could be yellow Voltra? 

684 is staying with Versas I guess? In a years time we might see another change in allocation for the 684.

These 9 are from the 2nd batch of 18 already paid for.

Hopefully we find out in the next couple of months about the ones bid for the ZEBRA funding

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.
Michael
25 Jan 2022, 9:22 pm #196

(25 Jan 2022, 9:20 pm)OrangeArrow49 57 is most likely (has no brand and needs replacement buses for the CAZ). 

Orange version of the Voltra livery I believe?

Are these electric buses the ZEBRA bid ones? Maybe the Hexham services could be yellow Voltra? 

684 is staying with Versas I guess? In a years time we might see another change in allocation for the 684.

These 9 are from the 2nd batch of 18 already paid for.

Hopefully we find out in the next couple of months about the ones bid for the ZEBRA funding


Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

25 Jan 2022, 9:27 pm #197
(25 Jan 2022, 9:22 pm)Michael Nope, these 9 are from the 2nd batch of 18 already paid for.

Oh yeah. Sorry, I forgot about that. I'm sure these are going in an orange variety of Voltra for the 57. 

A yellow version and maybe a blue version of Voltra would look nice.
OrangeArrow49
25 Jan 2022, 9:27 pm #197

(25 Jan 2022, 9:22 pm)Michael Nope, these 9 are from the 2nd batch of 18 already paid for.

Oh yeah. Sorry, I forgot about that. I'm sure these are going in an orange variety of Voltra for the 57. 

A yellow version and maybe a blue version of Voltra would look nice.

busmanT



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25 Jan 2022, 11:03 pm #198
(25 Jan 2022, 9:27 pm)OrangeArrow49 Oh yeah. Sorry, I forgot about that. I'm sure these are going in an orange variety of Voltra for the 57. 

A yellow version and maybe a blue version of Voltra would look nice.

is the 57 a busy/profitable enough service to justify new electric buses?
it always looks empty at the eastern end.
busmanT
25 Jan 2022, 11:03 pm #198

(25 Jan 2022, 9:27 pm)OrangeArrow49 Oh yeah. Sorry, I forgot about that. I'm sure these are going in an orange variety of Voltra for the 57. 

A yellow version and maybe a blue version of Voltra would look nice.

is the 57 a busy/profitable enough service to justify new electric buses?
it always looks empty at the eastern end.

ne14ne1



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03 Feb 2022, 12:12 pm #199
Cardiff Bus has just taken delivery of some Yutongs. Is GNE’s next batch going to be the longer wheel-based version like Cardiff’s?
https://twitter.com/busandtrainuser/stat...51010?s=21

Also, note the upside down road-strips on the livery. #CreatingRepetition Wink
ne14ne1
03 Feb 2022, 12:12 pm #199

Cardiff Bus has just taken delivery of some Yutongs. Is GNE’s next batch going to be the longer wheel-based version like Cardiff’s?
https://twitter.com/busandtrainuser/stat...51010?s=21

Also, note the upside down road-strips on the livery. #CreatingRepetition Wink

Omega54



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03 Feb 2022, 1:32 pm #200
(03 Feb 2022, 12:12 pm)ne14ne1 Cardiff Bus has just taken delivery of some Yutongs. Is GNE’s next batch going to be the longer wheel-based version like Cardiff’s?
https://twitter.com/busandtrainuser/stat...51010?s=21

Also, note the upside down road-strips on the livery. #CreatingRepetition Wink
i thought they were going to be the same length as the current ones which GNE already have. As GNE rarely gets anything over 11.5m and the E12 are 12.1m.
Omega54
03 Feb 2022, 1:32 pm #200

(03 Feb 2022, 12:12 pm)ne14ne1 Cardiff Bus has just taken delivery of some Yutongs. Is GNE’s next batch going to be the longer wheel-based version like Cardiff’s?
https://twitter.com/busandtrainuser/stat...51010?s=21

Also, note the upside down road-strips on the livery. #CreatingRepetition Wink
i thought they were going to be the same length as the current ones which GNE already have. As GNE rarely gets anything over 11.5m and the E12 are 12.1m.

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