Go North East - Future Order Predictions
Go North East - Future Order Predictions
Could GNE buy any Enviro 200 or 400 XLB's?
Are there any services other than the connections4 that get really busy but go under a low bridge?
They are better than anything Bamford can produce but Go-ahead don't have the advantage Stagecoach has of part ownership....
(09 Oct 2021, 3:56 pm)ASX_Terranova Could GNE buy any Enviro 200 or 400 XLB's?
Are there any services other than the connections4 that get really busy but go under a low bridge?
Service 60 can get busy but is limited to single deckers as far as Seaham/Noses Point and the 2/2A are also limited to single deckers due to the low bridge at Penshaw/Shiney Row. Neither are as busy as they were pre-covid from my experience as a driver.
(09 Oct 2021, 3:56 pm)ASX_Terranova Could GNE buy any Enviro 200 or 400 XLB's?
Are there any services other than the connections4 that get really busy but go under a low bridge?
Service 60 can get busy but is limited to single deckers as far as Seaham/Noses Point and the 2/2A are also limited to single deckers due to the low bridge at Penshaw/Shiney Row. Neither are as busy as they were pre-covid from my experience as a driver.
(09 Oct 2021, 4:09 pm)54APhotography They are better than anything Bamford can produce but Go-ahead don't have the advantage Stagecoach has of part ownership....The new StreetDecks are miles ahead of the E400s in terms of quality, ride comfort and refinement. The only edge the E400s have now is in power with them being 6 cylinder, but realistically they're overkill for most routes
(09 Oct 2021, 4:09 pm)54APhotography They are better than anything Bamford can produce but Go-ahead don't have the advantage Stagecoach has of part ownership....The new StreetDecks are miles ahead of the E400s in terms of quality, ride comfort and refinement. The only edge the E400s have now is in power with them being 6 cylinder, but realistically they're overkill for most routes
(09 Oct 2021, 4:55 pm)streetdeckfan The new StreetDecks are miles ahead of the E400s in terms of quality, ride comfort and refinement. The only edge the E400s have now is in power with them being 6 cylinder, but realistically they're overkill for most routesBetter Quality? top deck windsreens with sealant that looks like its been applied by a 3 year old.. I expected you to challenge my opinion. each to their own.
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(09 Oct 2021, 4:55 pm)streetdeckfan The new StreetDecks are miles ahead of the E400s in terms of quality, ride comfort and refinement. The only edge the E400s have now is in power with them being 6 cylinder, but realistically they're overkill for most routesBetter Quality? top deck windsreens with sealant that looks like its been applied by a 3 year old.. I expected you to challenge my opinion. each to their own.
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(10 Oct 2021, 6:28 am)54APhotography Better Quality? top deck windsreens with sealant that looks like its been applied by a 3 year old.. I expected you to challenge my opinion. each to their own.
(10 Oct 2021, 6:28 am)54APhotography Better Quality? top deck windsreens with sealant that looks like its been applied by a 3 year old.. I expected you to challenge my opinion. each to their own.
(10 Oct 2021, 7:10 am)Dan I’d imagine most of the windscreens have been replaced by now (especially those based at Consett), so this wouldn’t be classed as a manufacturer build quality issue.Presumably the StreetDecks off the road longer because of the longer wait for parts since they're based in Northern Ireland, and the backlog of both COVID and the fact they went bust.
Most internally would even agree that the StreetDecks have proven far superior in terms of build quality than the ADL Enviro400s.
The latter rattle like mad, whereas the former are much more solidly built. Whilst the StreetDecks are known to have long periods off service when they are off service, the ADL E400s are off service far more frequently albeit for shorter durations each time.
Now the issues with retarders have been fixed (a year or so later!) drivers prefer the ADLs, but that’s probably moreso due to the increased power and speed.
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(10 Oct 2021, 7:10 am)Dan I’d imagine most of the windscreens have been replaced by now (especially those based at Consett), so this wouldn’t be classed as a manufacturer build quality issue.Presumably the StreetDecks off the road longer because of the longer wait for parts since they're based in Northern Ireland, and the backlog of both COVID and the fact they went bust.
Most internally would even agree that the StreetDecks have proven far superior in terms of build quality than the ADL Enviro400s.
The latter rattle like mad, whereas the former are much more solidly built. Whilst the StreetDecks are known to have long periods off service when they are off service, the ADL E400s are off service far more frequently albeit for shorter durations each time.
Now the issues with retarders have been fixed (a year or so later!) drivers prefer the ADLs, but that’s probably moreso due to the increased power and speed.
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(10 Oct 2021, 10:36 am)streetdeckfan Presumably the StreetDecks off the road longer because of the longer wait for parts since they're based in Northern Ireland, and the backlog of both COVID and the fact they went bust.It's interesting that GoEY's 911-921 were ordered as part of the same batch (I think) as 6338-40. Maybe the E400MMC is sensible for GoEY due to their close proximity with ADL.
Whereas the ADL factory is just down the road (relatively speaking anyway)
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(10 Oct 2021, 7:10 am)Dan I’d imagine most of the windscreens have been replaced by now (especially those based at Consett), so this wouldn’t be classed as a manufacturer build quality issue.I do think the G2 & G3 StreetDecks have been better than 6301-07. Same way that the early E400 (i.e ANE 7501-13) wasn't great (some were ok with the right depot) but the latter Classic examples & MMC are more solid although by no means perfect.
Most internally would even agree that the StreetDecks have proven far superior in terms of build quality than the ADL Enviro400s.
The latter rattle like mad, whereas the former are much more solidly built. Whilst the StreetDecks are known to have long periods off service when they are off service, the ADL E400s are off service far more frequently albeit for shorter durations each time.
Now the issues with retarders have been fixed (a year or so later!) drivers prefer the ADLs, but that’s probably moreso due to the increased power and speed.
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(10 Oct 2021, 10:36 am)streetdeckfan Presumably the StreetDecks off the road longer because of the longer wait for parts since they're based in Northern Ireland, and the backlog of both COVID and the fact they went bust.It's interesting that GoEY's 911-921 were ordered as part of the same batch (I think) as 6338-40. Maybe the E400MMC is sensible for GoEY due to their close proximity with ADL.
Whereas the ADL factory is just down the road (relatively speaking anyway)
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(10 Oct 2021, 7:10 am)Dan I’d imagine most of the windscreens have been replaced by now (especially those based at Consett), so this wouldn’t be classed as a manufacturer build quality issue.I do think the G2 & G3 StreetDecks have been better than 6301-07. Same way that the early E400 (i.e ANE 7501-13) wasn't great (some were ok with the right depot) but the latter Classic examples & MMC are more solid although by no means perfect.
Most internally would even agree that the StreetDecks have proven far superior in terms of build quality than the ADL Enviro400s.
The latter rattle like mad, whereas the former are much more solidly built. Whilst the StreetDecks are known to have long periods off service when they are off service, the ADL E400s are off service far more frequently albeit for shorter durations each time.
Now the issues with retarders have been fixed (a year or so later!) drivers prefer the ADLs, but that’s probably moreso due to the increased power and speed.
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(09 Oct 2021, 4:55 pm)streetdeckfan The new StreetDecks are miles ahead of the E400s in terms of quality, ride comfort and refinement. The only edge the E400s have now is in power with them being 6 cylinder, but realistically they're overkill for most routesI'd say out of GNE's current route network, the only routes I'd say (not taking into account interworking patterns) a 6-Cylinder would be beneficial are:
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(09 Oct 2021, 4:55 pm)streetdeckfan The new StreetDecks are miles ahead of the E400s in terms of quality, ride comfort and refinement. The only edge the E400s have now is in power with them being 6 cylinder, but realistically they're overkill for most routesI'd say out of GNE's current route network, the only routes I'd say (not taking into account interworking patterns) a 6-Cylinder would be beneficial are:
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(10 Oct 2021, 12:51 pm)L469 YVK I'd say out of GNE's current route network, the only routes I'd say (not taking into account interworking patterns) a 6-Cylinder would be beneficial are:What would the 309/310/311 need like
- 10/10A/10B
- 47/47A
- X1 - questionable?
- X9/X10 - now coaches
- X21
- X70/X71/X72
- X84/X85
The rest of the decker routes are more than suited to 4 Cylinder operation. B9TLs overkill on some routes but this will no doubt change if EV bids are successful and B9TLs (309/310/311) are replaced and additionally, the Angel StreetDecks also cascading onto something (perhaps the 56).
(10 Oct 2021, 12:51 pm)L469 YVK I'd say out of GNE's current route network, the only routes I'd say (not taking into account interworking patterns) a 6-Cylinder would be beneficial are:What would the 309/310/311 need like
- 10/10A/10B
- 47/47A
- X1 - questionable?
- X9/X10 - now coaches
- X21
- X70/X71/X72
- X84/X85
The rest of the decker routes are more than suited to 4 Cylinder operation. B9TLs overkill on some routes but this will no doubt change if EV bids are successful and B9TLs (309/310/311) are replaced and additionally, the Angel StreetDecks also cascading onto something (perhaps the 56).
(10 Oct 2021, 7:10 am)Dan I’d imagine most of the windscreens have been replaced by now (especially those based at Consett), so this wouldn’t be classed as a manufacturer build quality issue.I take my view from travelling on them, and what the drivers say. lets see where we are in 5-10 years.
Most internally would even agree that the StreetDecks have proven far superior in terms of build quality than the ADL Enviro400s.
The latter rattle like mad, whereas the former are much more solidly built. Whilst the StreetDecks are known to have long periods off service when they are off service, the ADL E400s are off service far more frequently albeit for shorter durations each time.
Now the issues with retarders have been fixed (a year or so later!) drivers prefer the ADLs, but that’s probably moreso due to the increased power and speed.
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(10 Oct 2021, 7:10 am)Dan I’d imagine most of the windscreens have been replaced by now (especially those based at Consett), so this wouldn’t be classed as a manufacturer build quality issue.I take my view from travelling on them, and what the drivers say. lets see where we are in 5-10 years.
Most internally would even agree that the StreetDecks have proven far superior in terms of build quality than the ADL Enviro400s.
The latter rattle like mad, whereas the former are much more solidly built. Whilst the StreetDecks are known to have long periods off service when they are off service, the ADL E400s are off service far more frequently albeit for shorter durations each time.
Now the issues with retarders have been fixed (a year or so later!) drivers prefer the ADLs, but that’s probably moreso due to the increased power and speed.
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(10 Oct 2021, 12:51 pm)L469 YVK I'd say out of GNE's current route network, the only routes I'd say (not taking into account interworking patterns) a 6-Cylinder would be beneficial are:
- 10/10A/10B
- 47/47A
- X1 - questionable?
- X9/X10 - now coaches
- X21
- X70/X71/X72
- X84/X85
The rest of the decker routes are more than suited to 4 Cylinder operation. B9TLs overkill on some routes but this will no doubt change if EV bids are successful and B9TLs (309/310/311) are replaced and additionally, the Angel StreetDecks also cascading onto something (perhaps the 56).
(10 Oct 2021, 12:51 pm)L469 YVK I'd say out of GNE's current route network, the only routes I'd say (not taking into account interworking patterns) a 6-Cylinder would be beneficial are:
- 10/10A/10B
- 47/47A
- X1 - questionable?
- X9/X10 - now coaches
- X21
- X70/X71/X72
- X84/X85
The rest of the decker routes are more than suited to 4 Cylinder operation. B9TLs overkill on some routes but this will no doubt change if EV bids are successful and B9TLs (309/310/311) are replaced and additionally, the Angel StreetDecks also cascading onto something (perhaps the 56).
(10 Oct 2021, 4:47 pm)Keeiajs What are GNE EV bids?Electric vehicles for:
(10 Oct 2021, 1:04 pm)Train8261 What would the 309/310/311 need likeWell, there's an EV bid been submitted for the 21, 309/310/311, X5/X15 and a Tynedale Local Service.
(10 Oct 2021, 4:47 pm)Keeiajs What are GNE EV bids?Electric vehicles for:
(10 Oct 2021, 1:04 pm)Train8261 What would the 309/310/311 need likeWell, there's an EV bid been submitted for the 21, 309/310/311, X5/X15 and a Tynedale Local Service.
(10 Oct 2021, 5:32 pm)L469 YVK Electric vehicles for:Think 73 buses in total have been bid for. If successful, I'd imagine all DD beyond 2011 would be withdrawn with the B9s taking their place
- 309/310/311
- 21
- X5/X15
- Tynedale local service?
Well, there's an EV bid been submitted for the 21, 309/310/311, X5/X15 and a Tynedale Local Service.
At a minimum, a successful bid for the 21 alone would likely see the StreetDecks off to Percy Main subsequently cascading the B9TLs elsewhere within GoNE/EY or GAG.
If both the 21, 309/310/311 are successful, Percy Main's B9TLs by default would be replaced. As for the current Angel StreetDecks, they could perhaps end up at Deptford for the 56 or other plans that GNE decide on.
(10 Oct 2021, 5:32 pm)L469 YVK Electric vehicles for:Think 73 buses in total have been bid for. If successful, I'd imagine all DD beyond 2011 would be withdrawn with the B9s taking their place
- 309/310/311
- 21
- X5/X15
- Tynedale local service?
Well, there's an EV bid been submitted for the 21, 309/310/311, X5/X15 and a Tynedale Local Service.
At a minimum, a successful bid for the 21 alone would likely see the StreetDecks off to Percy Main subsequently cascading the B9TLs elsewhere within GoNE/EY or GAG.
If both the 21, 309/310/311 are successful, Percy Main's B9TLs by default would be replaced. As for the current Angel StreetDecks, they could perhaps end up at Deptford for the 56 or other plans that GNE decide on.
(10 Oct 2021, 5:32 pm)L469 YVK Electric vehicles for:Why did they do X5/X15 & 310/309/311 they aren't that busy.
- 309/310/311
- 21
- X5/X15
- Tynedale local service?
Well, there's an EV bid been submitted for the 21, 309/310/311, X5/X15 and a Tynedale Local Service.
At a minimum, a successful bid for the 21 alone would likely see the StreetDecks off to Percy Main subsequently cascading the B9TLs elsewhere within GoNE/EY or GAG.
If both the 21, 309/310/311 are successful, Percy Main's B9TLs by default would be replaced. As for the current Angel StreetDecks, they could perhaps end up at Deptford for the 56 or other plans that GNE decide on.
(10 Oct 2021, 5:32 pm)L469 YVK Electric vehicles for:Why did they do X5/X15 & 310/309/311 they aren't that busy.
- 309/310/311
- 21
- X5/X15
- Tynedale local service?
Well, there's an EV bid been submitted for the 21, 309/310/311, X5/X15 and a Tynedale Local Service.
At a minimum, a successful bid for the 21 alone would likely see the StreetDecks off to Percy Main subsequently cascading the B9TLs elsewhere within GoNE/EY or GAG.
If both the 21, 309/310/311 are successful, Percy Main's B9TLs by default would be replaced. As for the current Angel StreetDecks, they could perhaps end up at Deptford for the 56 or other plans that GNE decide on.
(10 Oct 2021, 7:38 pm)Train8261 If you think the 309/310/311 are not busy then I really don't know. Every time I've been on all 3. They have all been busyWhen I have seen them they have been dead, especially 311.
(10 Oct 2021, 7:38 pm)Train8261 If you think the 309/310/311 are not busy then I really don't know. Every time I've been on all 3. They have all been busyWhen I have seen them they have been dead, especially 311.
(10 Oct 2021, 7:55 pm)Keeiajs When I have seen them they have been dead, especially 311.I only put the 311 there in case someone says that the 311 is busy.
(10 Oct 2021, 7:55 pm)Keeiajs When I have seen them they have been dead, especially 311.I only put the 311 there in case someone says that the 311 is busy.
