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26 Mar 2021, 12:15 pm #1,161
Buses in Manchester are set to be taken over by the local council is seems. Not sure which companies are affected but Stagecoach is one of them and has launched judicial review so they are obviously affected. Go North West (formally first bus) is another big operator in Manchester so guessing they are affected too. Private companies will still run the day to day aspect of running the routes however the local council will decide which route run and how frequently and what fares to charge.

This is has already partially happened in the North with GNE operating on instructions from council as to what to run and when since the covid outbreak. GNE have been unable to make any profit for month after being part funded to keep services running. GNE are desperate to hit the ground running when things start to open up in order to get back on its feet with various ideas to get going X11 for example. Is it too little to late though, has the dice been cast? Will the North east buses be set for a local council takeover. A lot of people in the industry think its completely inevitable that this will happen at some point.


All info taken from BBC, Evening Standard papers so before shouting "thats not correct, your wrong" (often in more angle Saxon terminology) please refer to newspapers.
CookieMonster
26 Mar 2021, 12:15 pm #1,161

Buses in Manchester are set to be taken over by the local council is seems. Not sure which companies are affected but Stagecoach is one of them and has launched judicial review so they are obviously affected. Go North West (formally first bus) is another big operator in Manchester so guessing they are affected too. Private companies will still run the day to day aspect of running the routes however the local council will decide which route run and how frequently and what fares to charge.

This is has already partially happened in the North with GNE operating on instructions from council as to what to run and when since the covid outbreak. GNE have been unable to make any profit for month after being part funded to keep services running. GNE are desperate to hit the ground running when things start to open up in order to get back on its feet with various ideas to get going X11 for example. Is it too little to late though, has the dice been cast? Will the North east buses be set for a local council takeover. A lot of people in the industry think its completely inevitable that this will happen at some point.


All info taken from BBC, Evening Standard papers so before shouting "thats not correct, your wrong" (often in more angle Saxon terminology) please refer to newspapers.

busmanT



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26 Mar 2021, 4:44 pm #1,162
(25 Mar 2021, 8:25 pm)Adrian They cannot go 'fully publicly owned' - the setting up of municipal bus companies are still outlawed by the Buses Act 2017 sadly.
Whilst they can't set up a new municipal company, there is nothing stopping a council buying an existing bus or coach company.
busmanT
26 Mar 2021, 4:44 pm #1,162

(25 Mar 2021, 8:25 pm)Adrian They cannot go 'fully publicly owned' - the setting up of municipal bus companies are still outlawed by the Buses Act 2017 sadly.
Whilst they can't set up a new municipal company, there is nothing stopping a council buying an existing bus or coach company.

IRHardy



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26 Mar 2021, 9:09 pm #1,163
(26 Mar 2021, 12:15 pm)CookieMonster Buses in Manchester are set to be taken over by the local council is seems. Not sure which companies are affected but Stagecoach is one of them and has launched judicial review so they are obviously affected. Go North West (formally first bus) is another big operator in Manchester so guessing they are affected too. Private companies will still run the day to day aspect of running the routes however the local council will decide which route run and how frequently and what fares to charge.

This is has already partially happened in the North with GNE operating on instructions from council as to what to run and when since the covid outbreak. GNE have been unable to make any profit for month after being part funded to keep services running. GNE are desperate to hit the ground running when things start to open up in order to get back on its feet with various ideas to get going X11 for example. Is it too little to late though, has the dice been cast? Will the North east buses be set for a local council takeover. A lot of people in the industry think its completely inevitable that this will happen at some point.


All info taken from BBC, Evening Standard papers so before shouting "thats not correct, your wrong" (often in more angle Saxon terminology) please refer to newspapers.
How can you expect the Evening Standard to get anything to do with transport correct (they don't), when the former Chancellor of the Exchequer George Osborne is editor-in-chief?
IRHardy
26 Mar 2021, 9:09 pm #1,163

(26 Mar 2021, 12:15 pm)CookieMonster Buses in Manchester are set to be taken over by the local council is seems. Not sure which companies are affected but Stagecoach is one of them and has launched judicial review so they are obviously affected. Go North West (formally first bus) is another big operator in Manchester so guessing they are affected too. Private companies will still run the day to day aspect of running the routes however the local council will decide which route run and how frequently and what fares to charge.

This is has already partially happened in the North with GNE operating on instructions from council as to what to run and when since the covid outbreak. GNE have been unable to make any profit for month after being part funded to keep services running. GNE are desperate to hit the ground running when things start to open up in order to get back on its feet with various ideas to get going X11 for example. Is it too little to late though, has the dice been cast? Will the North east buses be set for a local council takeover. A lot of people in the industry think its completely inevitable that this will happen at some point.


All info taken from BBC, Evening Standard papers so before shouting "thats not correct, your wrong" (often in more angle Saxon terminology) please refer to newspapers.
How can you expect the Evening Standard to get anything to do with transport correct (they don't), when the former Chancellor of the Exchequer George Osborne is editor-in-chief?

Malarkey



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28 Mar 2021, 3:50 pm #1,164
(16 Feb 2021, 7:45 pm)Michael Keeping you moving through industrial action from Sunday 28 February

https://www.gonorthwest.co.uk/news-servi...on-update/

Has their been any update on how long the industrial action is expected to continue on for given it has now been a month.
Malarkey
28 Mar 2021, 3:50 pm #1,164

(16 Feb 2021, 7:45 pm)Michael Keeping you moving through industrial action from Sunday 28 February

https://www.gonorthwest.co.uk/news-servi...on-update/

Has their been any update on how long the industrial action is expected to continue on for given it has now been a month.

29 Mar 2021, 6:56 am #1,165
(28 Mar 2021, 3:50 pm)Malarkey Has their been any update on how long the industrial action is expected to continue on for given it has now been a month.

It's an indefinite strike, so it'll continue until the union sees a decent amount of progress being made.

GNW are too busy spreading twisted stats and figures via social media to get the public's support whilst attacking their own workforce under the guise of "the union".

They've only managed to get the support of a few spotters outside of the NW region, so a rather futile exercise for such little benefit.
omnicity4659
29 Mar 2021, 6:56 am #1,165

(28 Mar 2021, 3:50 pm)Malarkey Has their been any update on how long the industrial action is expected to continue on for given it has now been a month.

It's an indefinite strike, so it'll continue until the union sees a decent amount of progress being made.

GNW are too busy spreading twisted stats and figures via social media to get the public's support whilst attacking their own workforce under the guise of "the union".

They've only managed to get the support of a few spotters outside of the NW region, so a rather futile exercise for such little benefit.

Andreos1



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07 Apr 2021, 12:09 pm #1,166
It appears there's tensions elsewhere and not just with GNW. 

https://socialistworker.co.uk/art/51580/...+in+London

'Illegitimis non carborundum'
Andreos1
07 Apr 2021, 12:09 pm #1,166

It appears there's tensions elsewhere and not just with GNW. 

https://socialistworker.co.uk/art/51580/...+in+London


'Illegitimis non carborundum'

Rob44



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21 Apr 2021, 5:18 pm #1,167
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-manc...819987.amp

Getting very naughty at GNW
Rob44
21 Apr 2021, 5:18 pm #1,167

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-manc...819987.amp

Getting very naughty at GNW

Adrian



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21 Apr 2021, 5:31 pm #1,168
(21 Apr 2021, 5:18 pm)Rob44 https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-manc...819987.amp

Getting very naughty at GNW

Although a bit of a one-sided article. Plenty of allegations towards Unite, but zero evidence of who's allegedly behind any of this.

Also find it a bit rich of GNW to accuse a Union official of filming (in a public place), whilst at the same time they're running a fleet of buses that are constantly filming inside and outside the buses. Double standards?

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Adrian
21 Apr 2021, 5:31 pm #1,168

(21 Apr 2021, 5:18 pm)Rob44 https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-manc...819987.amp

Getting very naughty at GNW

Although a bit of a one-sided article. Plenty of allegations towards Unite, but zero evidence of who's allegedly behind any of this.

Also find it a bit rich of GNW to accuse a Union official of filming (in a public place), whilst at the same time they're running a fleet of buses that are constantly filming inside and outside the buses. Double standards?


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10 May 2021, 8:54 pm #1,169
Burnham has made the trip from Middleton - Media City.
Best part of 8miles and almost 2 hours. 

https://twitter.com/AndyBurnhamGM/status...31680?s=19

'Illegitimis non carborundum'
Andreos1
10 May 2021, 8:54 pm #1,169

Burnham has made the trip from Middleton - Media City.
Best part of 8miles and almost 2 hours. 

https://twitter.com/AndyBurnhamGM/status...31680?s=19


'Illegitimis non carborundum'

James101



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10 May 2021, 10:44 pm #1,170
(10 May 2021, 8:54 pm)Andreos1 Burnham has made the trip from Middleton - Media City.
Best part of 8miles and almost 2 hours. 

https://twitter.com/AndyBurnhamGM/status...31680?s=19

He’s supping a Cafe Nero in Piccadilly and a Costa by the time the press conference starts at Media City, must be made of money!  Big Grin
James101
10 May 2021, 10:44 pm #1,170

(10 May 2021, 8:54 pm)Andreos1 Burnham has made the trip from Middleton - Media City.
Best part of 8miles and almost 2 hours. 

https://twitter.com/AndyBurnhamGM/status...31680?s=19

He’s supping a Cafe Nero in Piccadilly and a Costa by the time the press conference starts at Media City, must be made of money!  Big Grin

Malarkey



6,060
18 May 2021, 8:34 am #1,171
Go North West drivers have reached an agreement with strike action officially coming to an end this morning.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-manc...146028.amp
Malarkey
18 May 2021, 8:34 am #1,171

Go North West drivers have reached an agreement with strike action officially coming to an end this morning.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-manc...146028.amp

Kuyoyo



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02 Jul 2021, 9:19 am #1,172
28747 is the first of the 'Stagecoach Gold - X4/X5' Scanias at Workington to be repainted into Lakes livery for the same routes

[Image: 51284614286_9f82e4867c_b.jpg]28747 (YN65XFY) Cumwhinton (3) by Carlisle Bus Group, on Flickr
Kuyoyo
02 Jul 2021, 9:19 am #1,172

28747 is the first of the 'Stagecoach Gold - X4/X5' Scanias at Workington to be repainted into Lakes livery for the same routes

[Image: 51284614286_9f82e4867c_b.jpg]28747 (YN65XFY) Cumwhinton (3) by Carlisle Bus Group, on Flickr

Michael



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02 Jul 2021, 9:25 am #1,173
(02 Jul 2021, 9:19 am)Kuyoyo 28747 is the first of the 'Stagecoach Gold - X4/X5' Scanias at Workington to be repainted into Lakes livery for the same routes

[Image: 51284614286_9f82e4867c_b.jpg]28747 (YN65XFY) Cumwhinton (3) by Carlisle Bus Group, on Flickr

Looks smart, is the Gold X4/X5 getting the same treatment?

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.
Michael
02 Jul 2021, 9:25 am #1,173

(02 Jul 2021, 9:19 am)Kuyoyo 28747 is the first of the 'Stagecoach Gold - X4/X5' Scanias at Workington to be repainted into Lakes livery for the same routes

[Image: 51284614286_9f82e4867c_b.jpg]28747 (YN65XFY) Cumwhinton (3) by Carlisle Bus Group, on Flickr

Looks smart, is the Gold X4/X5 getting the same treatment?


Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

24 Jul 2021, 8:57 pm #1,174
[Image: 51333400540_51bc9e966a_3k.jpg]Stagecoach 11158 / YX68 UXJ by kieron mathews, on Flickr

Stagecoach Cumbria & North Lancs 11158 is now in the new Stagecoach livery.


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24 Jul 2021, 8:57 pm #1,174

[Image: 51333400540_51bc9e966a_3k.jpg]Stagecoach 11158 / YX68 UXJ by kieron mathews, on Flickr

Stagecoach Cumbria & North Lancs 11158 is now in the new Stagecoach livery.


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07 Aug 2021, 1:37 pm #1,175
[Image: 51363721060_a601cf46d7_5k.jpg]Stagecoach 11157 / YX68 UXH by kieron mathews, on Flickr

Carlisle based 11157 has been repainted and back in service today.


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TEN 6083
07 Aug 2021, 1:37 pm #1,175

[Image: 51363721060_a601cf46d7_5k.jpg]Stagecoach 11157 / YX68 UXH by kieron mathews, on Flickr

Carlisle based 11157 has been repainted and back in service today.


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30 Sep 2021, 2:49 pm #1,176
Any ideas why Atlantic Travel have got 6 brand new 71 plate E200MMCs cant see anything to suggest they have won any TFGM work. If i go to DVLA there work is mostly schools so it seems odd unless there using those on school contracts
jamessolomon
30 Sep 2021, 2:49 pm #1,176

Any ideas why Atlantic Travel have got 6 brand new 71 plate E200MMCs cant see anything to suggest they have won any TFGM work. If i go to DVLA there work is mostly schools so it seems odd unless there using those on school contracts

Jimmi



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02 Oct 2021, 12:51 am #1,177
(30 Sep 2021, 2:49 pm)jamessolomon Any ideas why Atlantic Travel have got 6 brand new 71 plate E200MMCs cant see anything to suggest they have won any TFGM work. If i go to DVLA there work is mostly schools so it seems odd unless there using those on school contracts
My guess would be the result of CAZ planned to be implemented in parts of Greater Manchester from next year (potentially May?), including parts of Bolton where they're based.

They're quite a big player on the Rail Replacement scene around Greater Manchester too sometimes stretch into Yorkshire as well, even went as far north as York on at least one line closure earlier this year. Said E200MMCs have been sighted on these already and likely will be commonplace on various RR jobs.
Jimmi
02 Oct 2021, 12:51 am #1,177

(30 Sep 2021, 2:49 pm)jamessolomon Any ideas why Atlantic Travel have got 6 brand new 71 plate E200MMCs cant see anything to suggest they have won any TFGM work. If i go to DVLA there work is mostly schools so it seems odd unless there using those on school contracts
My guess would be the result of CAZ planned to be implemented in parts of Greater Manchester from next year (potentially May?), including parts of Bolton where they're based.

They're quite a big player on the Rail Replacement scene around Greater Manchester too sometimes stretch into Yorkshire as well, even went as far north as York on at least one line closure earlier this year. Said E200MMCs have been sighted on these already and likely will be commonplace on various RR jobs.

BusLoverMum



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05 Dec 2021, 12:49 am #1,178
GNW driver sacked for being too short
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/...49933?s=09
BusLoverMum
05 Dec 2021, 12:49 am #1,178

GNW driver sacked for being too short
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/...49933?s=09

Andreos1



14,155
21 Dec 2021, 12:56 pm #1,179
(05 Dec 2021, 12:49 am)BusLoverMum GNW driver sacked for being too short
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/...49933?s=09

She's won her appeal, but still doesn't have her full hours back
https://lm.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A...ld-6368881&h=AT0nGatsq7OXKwPqx42yTyI2tD26lgSiczvTiT_rKW5yxVyMtWPGoe-kFPDOauKcb5-SGoe-mWUgl93tr9JGRE7PKTYqFpoUaTczJ57ymQ6iw77Q-Hkk2-FD1QZAyNanT3gDRw1LxD0nL0Fi

'Illegitimis non carborundum'
Andreos1
21 Dec 2021, 12:56 pm #1,179

(05 Dec 2021, 12:49 am)BusLoverMum GNW driver sacked for being too short
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/...49933?s=09

She's won her appeal, but still doesn't have her full hours back
https://lm.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A...ld-6368881&h=AT0nGatsq7OXKwPqx42yTyI2tD26lgSiczvTiT_rKW5yxVyMtWPGoe-kFPDOauKcb5-SGoe-mWUgl93tr9JGRE7PKTYqFpoUaTczJ57ymQ6iw77Q-Hkk2-FD1QZAyNanT3gDRw1LxD0nL0Fi


'Illegitimis non carborundum'

Adrian



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21 Dec 2021, 1:24 pm #1,180
(21 Dec 2021, 12:56 pm)Andreos1 She's won her appeal, but still doesn't have her full hours back
https://lm.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A...ld-6368881&h=AT0nGatsq7OXKwPqx42yTyI2tD26lgSiczvTiT_rKW5yxVyMtWPGoe-kFPDOauKcb5-SGoe-mWUgl93tr9JGRE7PKTYqFpoUaTczJ57ymQ6iw77Q-Hkk2-FD1QZAyNanT3gDRw1LxD0nL0Fi

Great news that she's won her appeal, but in regards to hours, this quote is really important: "That would entail bosses finding Tracey just one extra hour of work a day."

This is nothing more than vindictive management behaviour. You've won your appeal and right to retain the same rate of pay, so we'll hit you in the pocket in another way.

Is it any wonder that the sector are having such difficulties with recruitment and retention, when this is how companies are treating their workers?

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Adrian
21 Dec 2021, 1:24 pm #1,180

(21 Dec 2021, 12:56 pm)Andreos1 She's won her appeal, but still doesn't have her full hours back
https://lm.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A...ld-6368881&h=AT0nGatsq7OXKwPqx42yTyI2tD26lgSiczvTiT_rKW5yxVyMtWPGoe-kFPDOauKcb5-SGoe-mWUgl93tr9JGRE7PKTYqFpoUaTczJ57ymQ6iw77Q-Hkk2-FD1QZAyNanT3gDRw1LxD0nL0Fi

Great news that she's won her appeal, but in regards to hours, this quote is really important: "That would entail bosses finding Tracey just one extra hour of work a day."

This is nothing more than vindictive management behaviour. You've won your appeal and right to retain the same rate of pay, so we'll hit you in the pocket in another way.

Is it any wonder that the sector are having such difficulties with recruitment and retention, when this is how companies are treating their workers?


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