Arriva Future Orders
Arriva Future Orders
This just popped into my head. Would be surprised if anything was ordered for the NE anytime soon but if Arriva do order late this year / next year..........I could perhaps see the X93 getting new E400MMCs (ZF).
Given the recent events affecting everywhere globally and other reasons why people perhaps might not go abroad and opt for a 'staycation', the X93 would be the perfect route in terms of growth and attracting tourists.
The B9TLs with 2x kept as 'NE floats' could then be sent to Ashington for the X14 or X20 allowing older E400s to be cascaded down and older double deck vehicles to be withdrawn.
Arriva should invest into upgrading their existing fleet first, that's if they have any money after Government support ends.
No chance of anything new. They'll just continue the cycle of bringing 12-14 year old stuff up from down south to replace the 18-20 year old shite they have up here.
(27 Sep 2020, 6:38 pm)L469 YVK This just popped into my head. Would be surprised if anything was ordered for the NE anytime soon but if Arriva do order late this year / next year..........I could perhaps see the X93 getting new E400MMCs (ZF).Do ADL now offer the E400 with the option of a ZF? I believe they didn't when it was newer hence why 7541-52 have Voith gearboxes.
Given the recent events affecting everywhere globally and other reasons why people perhaps might not go abroad and opt for a 'staycation', the X93 would be the perfect route in terms of growth and attracting tourists.
The B9TLs with 2x kept as 'NE floats' could then be sent to Ashington for the X14 or X20 allowing older E400s to be cascaded down and older double deck vehicles to be withdrawn.
(27 Sep 2020, 6:38 pm)L469 YVK This just popped into my head. Would be surprised if anything was ordered for the NE anytime soon but if Arriva do order late this year / next year..........I could perhaps see the X93 getting new E400MMCs (ZF).Do ADL now offer the E400 with the option of a ZF? I believe they didn't when it was newer hence why 7541-52 have Voith gearboxes.
Given the recent events affecting everywhere globally and other reasons why people perhaps might not go abroad and opt for a 'staycation', the X93 would be the perfect route in terms of growth and attracting tourists.
The B9TLs with 2x kept as 'NE floats' could then be sent to Ashington for the X14 or X20 allowing older E400s to be cascaded down and older double deck vehicles to be withdrawn.
I might be a bore but I'd rather see investment on routes which are busy all year round rather than one 3 month a year, especially when the buses on there are fine as they are and none of the below need old Enviros bar maybe the X46.
X26/X27 - 15 year old Omnicities
X66 / X67 - 15 year old Omnicities
X46 - Ex London ALX400
306 - Whatever Jesmond fancy on the day
1/2/57/57A/58 - 14/15 year old MPD's
685 - 13 year old Omnicities
(28 Sep 2020, 10:03 am)Cobalt271 Do ADL now offer the E400 with the option of a ZF? I believe they didn't when it was newer hence why 7541-52 have Voith gearboxes.ADL have always offered ZF on the MMC but only recently with 'stop-start' like the XLines examples purchased by GNE for Consett & Hexham. That's why Arriva went with Voith for 7541-52.
I would think if the X93 are receiving new Vehicles this/next year then the X18 will be too since the E400s allocated to that are roughly the same age as the B9s and brings in a fair few tourists towards the Summer.
(28 Sep 2020, 10:03 am)Cobalt271 Do ADL now offer the E400 with the option of a ZF? I believe they didn't when it was newer hence why 7541-52 have Voith gearboxes.ADL have always offered ZF on the MMC but only recently with 'stop-start' like the XLines examples purchased by GNE for Consett & Hexham. That's why Arriva went with Voith for 7541-52.
I would think if the X93 are receiving new Vehicles this/next year then the X18 will be too since the E400s allocated to that are roughly the same age as the B9s and brings in a fair few tourists towards the Summer.
(28 Sep 2020, 4:52 pm)V514DFT Quick question, why were the Streetlites taken off the 306 and put on the 52/53/54Probably due to reduced Covid capacities.
(28 Sep 2020, 4:52 pm)V514DFT Quick question, why were the Streetlites taken off the 306 and put on the 52/53/54Probably due to reduced Covid capacities.
(28 Sep 2020, 4:52 pm)V514DFT Quick question, why were the Streetlites taken off the 306 and put on the 52/53/54
(28 Sep 2020, 4:52 pm)V514DFT Quick question, why were the Streetlites taken off the 306 and put on the 52/53/54
(28 Sep 2020, 10:39 am)Storx I might be a bore but I'd rather see investment on routes which are busy all year round rather than one 3 month a year, especially when the buses on there are fine as they are and none of the below need old Enviros bar maybe the X46.
X26/X27 - 15 year old Omnicities
X66 / X67 - 15 year old Omnicities - Both X26/X27 & X66/X67 would be a good shout for new single deck vehicles
X46 - Ex London ALX400 - Upgrading the X93 and at a stretch the X18, would allow a cascade of double decks
306 - Whatever Jesmond fancy on the day - Got other thoughts on that, see below
1/2/57/57A/58 - 14/15 year old MPD's - Good shout for new mini / midibuses
685 - 13 year old Omnicities - Is it a profitable enough route long term?
The 306 is an interesting one. I can see a potential upgrade coming but I do reckon going forward that Arriva will streamline both the 306 & 308 including interworking and reducing frequency to streamline both services for reasons previously discussed. Don't want to go into too much discussion here as this is more about orders but could continue in service suggestions.
On another note, perhaps if Arriva upgrade the X18 & X93 they should take the opportunity to relaunch 'MAX' as a premium express service, similar to GoNE's XLines. Bike racks would be a very welcome addition on both sets of routes.
(28 Sep 2020, 10:39 am)Storx I might be a bore but I'd rather see investment on routes which are busy all year round rather than one 3 month a year, especially when the buses on there are fine as they are and none of the below need old Enviros bar maybe the X46.
X26/X27 - 15 year old Omnicities
X66 / X67 - 15 year old Omnicities - Both X26/X27 & X66/X67 would be a good shout for new single deck vehicles
X46 - Ex London ALX400 - Upgrading the X93 and at a stretch the X18, would allow a cascade of double decks
306 - Whatever Jesmond fancy on the day - Got other thoughts on that, see below
1/2/57/57A/58 - 14/15 year old MPD's - Good shout for new mini / midibuses
685 - 13 year old Omnicities - Is it a profitable enough route long term?
The 306 is an interesting one. I can see a potential upgrade coming but I do reckon going forward that Arriva will streamline both the 306 & 308 including interworking and reducing frequency to streamline both services for reasons previously discussed. Don't want to go into too much discussion here as this is more about orders but could continue in service suggestions.
On another note, perhaps if Arriva upgrade the X18 & X93 they should take the opportunity to relaunch 'MAX' as a premium express service, similar to GoNE's XLines. Bike racks would be a very welcome addition on both sets of routes.
I'm only really know the Tees area so here are my suggestion:
New single deckers (ADL Enviro 200mmc seems the best shout) for new 'Express lines' operating on X26/X27, X66/X67 and X3/X4. Streetlites to go on less demanding work (probably the 15). Omnicities to replace the smaller Centros at Stockton and would have a brief spell at Redcar to finish off Temsa refurbs.
(28 Sep 2020, 10:39 am)Storx I might be a bore but I'd rather see investment on routes which are busy all year round rather than one 3 month a year, especially when the buses on there are fine as they are and none of the below need old Enviros bar maybe the X46.
(28 Sep 2020, 10:39 am)Storx I might be a bore but I'd rather see investment on routes which are busy all year round rather than one 3 month a year, especially when the buses on there are fine as they are and none of the below need old Enviros bar maybe the X46.
(27 Sep 2020, 8:35 pm)Driver9*** No chance of anything new. They'll just continue the cycle of bringing 12-14 year old stuff up from down south to replace the 18-20 year old shite they have up here.
(27 Sep 2020, 8:35 pm)Driver9*** No chance of anything new. They'll just continue the cycle of bringing 12-14 year old stuff up from down south to replace the 18-20 year old shite they have up here.
(29 Sep 2020, 11:36 pm)solsburian Sadly with the current circumstances (COVID and DB wanting rid), I do worry we'll go back to the dark days of the 2000s with knackered buses trundling around in an appalling state (i.e. Blyth's Cityzens) looking for passengers.
(29 Sep 2020, 11:36 pm)solsburian Sadly with the current circumstances (COVID and DB wanting rid), I do worry we'll go back to the dark days of the 2000s with knackered buses trundling around in an appalling state (i.e. Blyth's Cityzens) looking for passengers.
(30 Sep 2020, 7:06 am)cbma06 DB are/were asking way too much money, anyone taking over operations knows find well that a heavy investment is needed in refurbished and new vehicles.
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(30 Sep 2020, 7:06 am)cbma06 DB are/were asking way too much money, anyone taking over operations knows find well that a heavy investment is needed in refurbished and new vehicles.
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Cobalt271 I'm not sure about the X93 but the X18s current allocation of E400s are far from fine. They are well knackered after being hammered for 6 years now. The plus with investment in a route like this is that it sends the vehicles to displace ones much older whilst giving the vehicle an easier life pre 'retirement'
(29 Sep 2020, 11:36 pm)solsburian Sadly with the current circumstances (COVID and DB wanting rid), I do worry we'll go back to the dark days of the 2000s with knackered buses trundling around in an appalling state (i.e. Blyth's Cityzens) looking for passengers.
Cobalt271 I'm not sure about the X93 but the X18s current allocation of E400s are far from fine. They are well knackered after being hammered for 6 years now. The plus with investment in a route like this is that it sends the vehicles to displace ones much older whilst giving the vehicle an easier life pre 'retirement'
(29 Sep 2020, 11:36 pm)solsburian Sadly with the current circumstances (COVID and DB wanting rid), I do worry we'll go back to the dark days of the 2000s with knackered buses trundling around in an appalling state (i.e. Blyth's Cityzens) looking for passengers.
(30 Sep 2020, 8:37 am)streetdeckfan The issue is the longer they leave Arriva without any investment, the less Arriva will be 'worth' due to the amount of investment needed by the new owners to bring it back up to standard.
(30 Sep 2020, 8:37 am)streetdeckfan The issue is the longer they leave Arriva without any investment, the less Arriva will be 'worth' due to the amount of investment needed by the new owners to bring it back up to standard.
(30 Sep 2020, 8:51 am)mb134 It'll likely end up being sold off bit by bit - I wouldn't be at all surprised if the North East ops got split back into Northumbria and Durham County in any sale. The culture and mindset has always seemed to differ hugely between them.
Look at the Ashington, Blyth and Jesmond operations and imagine what someone like Alex Hornby would do with them, with Transdev behind it.
(30 Sep 2020, 8:51 am)mb134 It'll likely end up being sold off bit by bit - I wouldn't be at all surprised if the North East ops got split back into Northumbria and Durham County in any sale. The culture and mindset has always seemed to differ hugely between them.
Look at the Ashington, Blyth and Jesmond operations and imagine what someone like Alex Hornby would do with them, with Transdev behind it.
(30 Sep 2020, 8:47 am)Storx Tbf Arriva / Northumbria have always invested in batches though. It's the same with Stagecoach's fleet which is getting a bit old in places aswell. There's no point in replacing things that aren't needed. The majority of the single / decker fleet really doesn't need replacing atm and there's nowhere for them to go. Minis will be next in line though and maybe something for the Scania's in terms of new buses though imo.
Remember the Cityzens and Europeans were only 13 year old when they were started to get replaced which isn't great for a full size single or decker (should be 15 year) but they we're built like a sieve and leaked everywhere. Amazingly some of them we're still running to the DDA deadline - god knows how. The Northern Counties Scanias we're much worse though with their bus seats and leg room that only a child could get in though imo and very outdated interior.
(30 Sep 2020, 8:47 am)Storx Tbf Arriva / Northumbria have always invested in batches though. It's the same with Stagecoach's fleet which is getting a bit old in places aswell. There's no point in replacing things that aren't needed. The majority of the single / decker fleet really doesn't need replacing atm and there's nowhere for them to go. Minis will be next in line though and maybe something for the Scania's in terms of new buses though imo.
Remember the Cityzens and Europeans were only 13 year old when they were started to get replaced which isn't great for a full size single or decker (should be 15 year) but they we're built like a sieve and leaked everywhere. Amazingly some of them we're still running to the DDA deadline - god knows how. The Northern Counties Scanias we're much worse though with their bus seats and leg room that only a child could get in though imo and very outdated interior.
