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(02 Oct 2022, 8:48 pm)Storx I disagree, most punters don't care if the same old bus turns up every day but to get a pile of crap turning up after a nice shiny bus has been in place for the past couple of years is a big difference.400? not mean 300? the only 400s are the open toppers at Sunderland. as for leg room i dont notice much difference apart the back seats on E300s are abit tighter which the step up compared to ALX300s
The ALX300's are horrible buses whatever way you want to paint it from a passenger point of view with horrific leg room.
There's a BIG difference between an ALX 400 from 2005 and an Enviro 200 MMC from 2019. This isn't comparing a Versa versus a Streetlite which are similar and are both relatively modern interior wise or a Gemini 1/2 and a Streetdeck.
(02 Oct 2022, 8:48 pm)Storx I disagree, most punters don't care if the same old bus turns up every day but to get a pile of crap turning up after a nice shiny bus has been in place for the past couple of years is a big difference.400? not mean 300? the only 400s are the open toppers at Sunderland. as for leg room i dont notice much difference apart the back seats on E300s are abit tighter which the step up compared to ALX300s
The ALX300's are horrible buses whatever way you want to paint it from a passenger point of view with horrific leg room.
There's a BIG difference between an ALX 400 from 2005 and an Enviro 200 MMC from 2019. This isn't comparing a Versa versus a Streetlite which are similar and are both relatively modern interior wise or a Gemini 1/2 and a Streetdeck.
(02 Oct 2022, 8:48 pm)Storx I disagree, most punters don't care if the same old bus turns up every day but to get a pile of crap turning up after a nice shiny bus has been in place for the past couple of years is a big difference.I agree, It must have been a big upgrade for services like the 25/28/29 getting new Streetlites with extra capacity USB's Wifi over some old 13 year old Versa's.
The ALX300's are horrible buses whatever way you want to paint it from a passenger point of view with horrific leg room.
There's a BIG difference between an ALX 400 from 2005 and an Enviro 200 MMC from 2019. This isn't comparing a Versa versus a Streetlite which are similar and are both relatively modern interior wise or a Gemini 1/2 and a Streetdeck.
(02 Oct 2022, 8:48 pm)Storx I disagree, most punters don't care if the same old bus turns up every day but to get a pile of crap turning up after a nice shiny bus has been in place for the past couple of years is a big difference.I agree, It must have been a big upgrade for services like the 25/28/29 getting new Streetlites with extra capacity USB's Wifi over some old 13 year old Versa's.
The ALX300's are horrible buses whatever way you want to paint it from a passenger point of view with horrific leg room.
There's a BIG difference between an ALX 400 from 2005 and an Enviro 200 MMC from 2019. This isn't comparing a Versa versus a Streetlite which are similar and are both relatively modern interior wise or a Gemini 1/2 and a Streetdeck.
(02 Oct 2022, 9:18 pm)Unber43 I agree, It must have been a big upgrade for services like the 25/28/29 getting new Streetlites with extra capacity USB's Wifi over some old 13 year old Versa's.
And a drop from Streetlites to Versas is a big aswell, goes from leather seats, wood flooring high capacity to awfully discoloured interior.
Its like if the 39/40 who are allocated brand new E400 MMC suddenly start being allocated ALX400's, no one is going to like that.
(02 Oct 2022, 9:18 pm)Unber43 I agree, It must have been a big upgrade for services like the 25/28/29 getting new Streetlites with extra capacity USB's Wifi over some old 13 year old Versa's.
And a drop from Streetlites to Versas is a big aswell, goes from leather seats, wood flooring high capacity to awfully discoloured interior.
Its like if the 39/40 who are allocated brand new E400 MMC suddenly start being allocated ALX400's, no one is going to like that.
(02 Oct 2022, 9:18 pm)Unber43 I agree, It must have been a big upgrade for services like the 25/28/29 getting new Streetlites with extra capacity USB's Wifi over some old 13 year old Versa's.well, it works both ways where the 62/63 services in Newcastle was nearly always newish E400s now it feels like whatever is spare these days. there seems to be a core of 7 MMCs from start of the day to the end of the day but i have seen E200s, various 300 models both E and ALX and various E400s anything from 2008 models and hybrids to at rare times and 69 reg MMC.
And a drop from Streetlites to Versas is a big aswell, goes from leather seats, wood flooring high capacity to awfully discoloured interior.
Its like if the 39/40 who are allocated brand new E400 MMC suddenly start being allocated ALX400's, no one is going to like that.
(02 Oct 2022, 9:18 pm)Unber43 I agree, It must have been a big upgrade for services like the 25/28/29 getting new Streetlites with extra capacity USB's Wifi over some old 13 year old Versa's.well, it works both ways where the 62/63 services in Newcastle was nearly always newish E400s now it feels like whatever is spare these days. there seems to be a core of 7 MMCs from start of the day to the end of the day but i have seen E200s, various 300 models both E and ALX and various E400s anything from 2008 models and hybrids to at rare times and 69 reg MMC.
And a drop from Streetlites to Versas is a big aswell, goes from leather seats, wood flooring high capacity to awfully discoloured interior.
Its like if the 39/40 who are allocated brand new E400 MMC suddenly start being allocated ALX400's, no one is going to like that.
(02 Oct 2022, 9:18 pm)toward6931 400? not mean 300? the only 400s are the open toppers at Sunderland. as for leg room i dont notice much difference apart the back seats on E300s are abit tighter which the step up compared to ALX300s
(02 Oct 2022, 9:32 pm)toward6931 why would SNE waste money by keeping MMCs in a depot where they were delivered to when another depot is paying fines/tolls for vehicles that aren't CAZ compliant when the simple straightforward solution is to do the swap and whenever newer vehicles do arrive look at the situation and reevaluate the situation
(02 Oct 2022, 9:18 pm)toward6931 400? not mean 300? the only 400s are the open toppers at Sunderland. as for leg room i dont notice much difference apart the back seats on E300s are abit tighter which the step up compared to ALX300s
(02 Oct 2022, 9:32 pm)toward6931 why would SNE waste money by keeping MMCs in a depot where they were delivered to when another depot is paying fines/tolls for vehicles that aren't CAZ compliant when the simple straightforward solution is to do the swap and whenever newer vehicles do arrive look at the situation and reevaluate the situation
(02 Oct 2022, 9:23 pm)streetdeckfan Tbh, on the 49/49A, the drop from Streetlites to Versas has been an upgrade! They're smoother, more comfortable, and don't have that annoying door rattle. I'd also argue they sound a lot nicer as well! The only downside was the lack of USB ports, but given they can't even charge a phone, that's not really an issue!The thing that puts be of veras's is that awful discolouration on the interior and that blue floor.
(02 Oct 2022, 9:23 pm)streetdeckfan Tbh, on the 49/49A, the drop from Streetlites to Versas has been an upgrade! They're smoother, more comfortable, and don't have that annoying door rattle. I'd also argue they sound a lot nicer as well! The only downside was the lack of USB ports, but given they can't even charge a phone, that's not really an issue!The thing that puts be of veras's is that awful discolouration on the interior and that blue floor.
(02 Oct 2022, 9:44 pm)Storx I did, my mistake there.to be honest i totally agree that new buses should be sourced, not relying on buses that are 13 years old
It's more about what these buses are. The right answer is they should've purchased new buses to withdraw the ALX300's. They're beyond their useful life and shouldn't be in frontline service regardless. They can't keep pulling the Covid excuse for not investing. It's becoming a bit of a trend lately and it's not just buses. The point of the LEZ isn't to swap buses around and punish other areas it's to reduce emissions.
I could understand if it was some poor depot which doesn't make money but the North East made £11m before Covid and the Newcastle depots are the ones that make the £££'s.
(02 Oct 2022, 9:44 pm)Storx I did, my mistake there.to be honest i totally agree that new buses should be sourced, not relying on buses that are 13 years old
It's more about what these buses are. The right answer is they should've purchased new buses to withdraw the ALX300's. They're beyond their useful life and shouldn't be in frontline service regardless. They can't keep pulling the Covid excuse for not investing. It's becoming a bit of a trend lately and it's not just buses. The point of the LEZ isn't to swap buses around and punish other areas it's to reduce emissions.
I could understand if it was some poor depot which doesn't make money but the North East made £11m before Covid and the Newcastle depots are the ones that make the £££'s.
(02 Oct 2022, 7:45 pm)Storx Personally I think the Enviro 300's should be going to Stockton, whatever this week going to Newcastle and the ALX 300's replacing the MAN Enviro 200's
An Enviro 200 MMC to an ALX 300 is a serious downgrade whatever way you want to paint it. It's literally going from the best bus in the fleet to the worst bus in the fleet from a passenger point of view. If I was a regular passenger on those routes I wouldn't be happy.
(02 Oct 2022, 7:45 pm)Storx Personally I think the Enviro 300's should be going to Stockton, whatever this week going to Newcastle and the ALX 300's replacing the MAN Enviro 200's
An Enviro 200 MMC to an ALX 300 is a serious downgrade whatever way you want to paint it. It's literally going from the best bus in the fleet to the worst bus in the fleet from a passenger point of view. If I was a regular passenger on those routes I wouldn't be happy.
I find the ALX300S fine, especially the ones at stockton there isn't anything wrong with them from a passenger view they are only bad on places like Low Grange but si is an enviro 200 mmc? They are all rattly tbh the alx300 is more comfy. E200mmcs have horrible leather seating which is not very comfy anyway.
£50 a day for non compliant vehicles, it also reckons PCV vehicles before 2014 probably wont be compliant. thats alot of the SNE fleet
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/cars/news/anot...d=msedgntp&cvid=89eecef7f3ba4aeda7e794b9bcd60529
(05 Oct 2022, 11:17 pm)toward6931 £50 a day for non compliant vehicles, it also reckons PCV vehicles before 2014 probably wont be compliant. thats alot of the SNE fleetIt isn't. the E400s are complaint. Just the ALX and Man enviros that havent been re-engined. Sunderland won't be able to allocate 28001-17 to X24/34 but that's the only issue for them.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/cars/news/anot...d=msedgntp&cvid=89eecef7f3ba4aeda7e794b9bcd60529
(05 Oct 2022, 11:17 pm)toward6931 £50 a day for non compliant vehicles, it also reckons PCV vehicles before 2014 probably wont be compliant. thats alot of the SNE fleetIt isn't. the E400s are complaint. Just the ALX and Man enviros that havent been re-engined. Sunderland won't be able to allocate 28001-17 to X24/34 but that's the only issue for them.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/cars/news/anot...d=msedgntp&cvid=89eecef7f3ba4aeda7e794b9bcd60529
(06 Oct 2022, 6:55 am)54APhotography It isn't. the E400s are complaint. Just the ALX and Man enviros that havent been re-engined. Sunderland won't be able to allocate 28001-17 to X24/34 but that's the only issue for them.28xxx are the 2013 gas buses arent they? is it because of capacity they cant be allocated?
(06 Oct 2022, 6:55 am)54APhotography It isn't. the E400s are complaint. Just the ALX and Man enviros that havent been re-engined. Sunderland won't be able to allocate 28001-17 to X24/34 but that's the only issue for them.28xxx are the 2013 gas buses arent they? is it because of capacity they cant be allocated?
(07 Oct 2022, 5:01 pm)toward6931 28xxx are the 2013 gas buses arent they? is it because of capacity they cant be allocated?
(07 Oct 2022, 6:27 pm)Dan The 2013 gas buses are Euro 5 whereas the 2014 ones are Euro 6.i thought the only emissions off gas buses were water? or is that hydrogen buses?
So the 2014 gas buses can be allocated to the X24/34.
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(07 Oct 2022, 6:27 pm)Dan The 2013 gas buses are Euro 5 whereas the 2014 ones are Euro 6.i thought the only emissions off gas buses were water? or is that hydrogen buses?
So the 2014 gas buses can be allocated to the X24/34.
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(08 Oct 2022, 2:29 pm)F114TML That's hydrogen.What gas do the buses Use?
For some reason Sunderland have allocated MAN E200s to the 10/11 and 23 today instead of the ADLs. Also quite surprisingly 24122 and 24169 have re-appeared at Sunderland parked up at the back of the depot.
