ANE Ashington Vehicle Issues
ANE Ashington Vehicle Issues
(05 Feb 2021, 9:31 am)Jimmi There seems to be confusion as to who is meant to have 1407, I am of the understanding it's Ashington's as it was based there prior to going to Darlington for while as I think Darlington got it after having to give up a Solo to Redcar/Whitby after one of theirs burnt out then was no longer required once 4802 returned to service
Realistically the machines should get fleet number updated IMO but seems dependent on who gets their hands on them, Darlington have had a few loans recently and have had the correct fleet numbers assigned after at least some time into the loan.
(05 Feb 2021, 9:31 am)Jimmi There seems to be confusion as to who is meant to have 1407, I am of the understanding it's Ashington's as it was based there prior to going to Darlington for while as I think Darlington got it after having to give up a Solo to Redcar/Whitby after one of theirs burnt out then was no longer required once 4802 returned to service
Realistically the machines should get fleet number updated IMO but seems dependent on who gets their hands on them, Darlington have had a few loans recently and have had the correct fleet numbers assigned after at least some time into the loan.
(31 Jan 2021, 3:58 pm)Malarkey No wonder when their drivers stand not socially distanced from one another at the top of Haymarket smoking/vaping which to me shows a lack a care for not just themselves, but shows a lack of for their respective families, the company the work for and the passengers they provide a service to. I honestly think their depot management need to look into this further as clearly they are not following the rules.
Makes you wonder what measures have been put in place in the meal rooms at Haymarket/Durham along with at the depots, As I don't see a spare bus being used for meal breaks like Go North East have at various Bus Stations across the region.
(31 Jan 2021, 7:35 pm)Malarkey Then the company should be putting further measures in place to ensure all members of staff are working within a safe working environment which from what you have just posted is not the case, again as noted in my previous post Go North East have placed their Driver Training Fleet at various Bus Station to provide extra space to ensure staff are kept within a safe environment whilst on a meal break.To be honest in any see any similarities between your call centre analogy and driving a bus, do you get random member of the public dropping into your call centre every three or four minutes, handing you cash that’s been god knows where before they hand it over. Do you have the same said members of the public coughing all over the place and if they are wearing a face covering 99% of the time it’s incorrectly. No I thought not. The problem here is that the company aren’t interested in driver’s safety and and well-being it’s all about lining the pockets of the shareholders. I could give you numerous examples on request of the pure idiocy of the general travelling public. I’ll give you this one as a starter for ten. The service I was driving this morning has a terminus loop at both ends, my bus was empty, one passenger boarded at a stop around the loop. At the terminus timing point a lady boarded with her exemption card round her neck like a medal of achievement. Where did she sit ?? That’s right of the other 38 seats on the bus she chose the one directly behind the bloke who had gotten on two stops earlier. This is the kind of stupidity we as drivers are having to deal with on a daily basis.
As for having breaks sat in your car in the car park, why not if it ensures your and your families safety along with that of your work colleagues.
I work in a Call Centre which when fully staffed pre-covid had 800 people working within the office, now we are probably at 50% of that due to those working from home and our Canteen isn't the biggest either however we have managed to make that area socially distanced with all tables which would normally seat 6 seating 2 and are all 2 metres apart, on the call floor everyone is sat 2 metres apart to ensure it is covid secure and with those measures in place along with regular cleaning of the office throughout the day we have had 0 cases of covid-19 in the 10 months we have been in this awful pandemic, seems to me the company you work for are not doing enough to protect it's staff.
(31 Jan 2021, 3:58 pm)Malarkey No wonder when their drivers stand not socially distanced from one another at the top of Haymarket smoking/vaping which to me shows a lack a care for not just themselves, but shows a lack of for their respective families, the company the work for and the passengers they provide a service to. I honestly think their depot management need to look into this further as clearly they are not following the rules.
Makes you wonder what measures have been put in place in the meal rooms at Haymarket/Durham along with at the depots, As I don't see a spare bus being used for meal breaks like Go North East have at various Bus Stations across the region.
(31 Jan 2021, 7:35 pm)Malarkey Then the company should be putting further measures in place to ensure all members of staff are working within a safe working environment which from what you have just posted is not the case, again as noted in my previous post Go North East have placed their Driver Training Fleet at various Bus Station to provide extra space to ensure staff are kept within a safe environment whilst on a meal break.To be honest in any see any similarities between your call centre analogy and driving a bus, do you get random member of the public dropping into your call centre every three or four minutes, handing you cash that’s been god knows where before they hand it over. Do you have the same said members of the public coughing all over the place and if they are wearing a face covering 99% of the time it’s incorrectly. No I thought not. The problem here is that the company aren’t interested in driver’s safety and and well-being it’s all about lining the pockets of the shareholders. I could give you numerous examples on request of the pure idiocy of the general travelling public. I’ll give you this one as a starter for ten. The service I was driving this morning has a terminus loop at both ends, my bus was empty, one passenger boarded at a stop around the loop. At the terminus timing point a lady boarded with her exemption card round her neck like a medal of achievement. Where did she sit ?? That’s right of the other 38 seats on the bus she chose the one directly behind the bloke who had gotten on two stops earlier. This is the kind of stupidity we as drivers are having to deal with on a daily basis.
As for having breaks sat in your car in the car park, why not if it ensures your and your families safety along with that of your work colleagues.
I work in a Call Centre which when fully staffed pre-covid had 800 people working within the office, now we are probably at 50% of that due to those working from home and our Canteen isn't the biggest either however we have managed to make that area socially distanced with all tables which would normally seat 6 seating 2 and are all 2 metres apart, on the call floor everyone is sat 2 metres apart to ensure it is covid secure and with those measures in place along with regular cleaning of the office throughout the day we have had 0 cases of covid-19 in the 10 months we have been in this awful pandemic, seems to me the company you work for are not doing enough to protect it's staff.
A notice went up in my depot this morning asking for volunteers to go to Jesmond (where two drivers have sadly died) to cover the driver shortfall there. The reward being an extra two hours pay per day to cover travelling time. I'm sure there'll be a cue a mile long to risk their lives for the princely sum of about £15 per day after tax.
(09 Feb 2021, 1:07 pm)Driver9*** A notice went up in my depot this morning asking for volunteers to go to Jesmond (where two drivers have sadly died) to cover the driver shortfall there. The reward being an extra two hours pay per day to cover travelling time. I'm sure there'll be a cue a mile long to risk their lives for the princely sum of about £15 per day after tax.Could Blyth not temporarily take on the 43 using a float vehicle to change drivers in Cramlington or Bedlington?
(09 Feb 2021, 1:07 pm)Driver9*** A notice went up in my depot this morning asking for volunteers to go to Jesmond (where two drivers have sadly died) to cover the driver shortfall there. The reward being an extra two hours pay per day to cover travelling time. I'm sure there'll be a cue a mile long to risk their lives for the princely sum of about £15 per day after tax.Could Blyth not temporarily take on the 43 using a float vehicle to change drivers in Cramlington or Bedlington?
(09 Feb 2021, 10:48 pm)L469 YVK Could Blyth not temporarily take on the 43 using a float vehicle to change drivers in Cramlington or Bedlington?
(09 Feb 2021, 10:48 pm)L469 YVK Could Blyth not temporarily take on the 43 using a float vehicle to change drivers in Cramlington or Bedlington?
(10 Feb 2021, 10:07 pm)L469 YVK If the driver shortages continue, would Nexus & NCC (given some of the routes) have the power to step in and sub contract additional capacity to reduce cancelled journeys? (i.e JH, Stanley Taxis/Coaches, GNE)
(10 Feb 2021, 10:07 pm)L469 YVK If the driver shortages continue, would Nexus & NCC (given some of the routes) have the power to step in and sub contract additional capacity to reduce cancelled journeys? (i.e JH, Stanley Taxis/Coaches, GNE)
Didn't really know where to put this but couldn't arriva not try what border buses done or could still be doing) and have it so that each driver has their own bus for each shift during the pandemic to reduce contacts and there fire hopefully stop whats going on at Jesmond going on anywhere else.
(15 Feb 2021, 3:16 pm)GNE6312 Didn't really know where to put this but couldn't arriva not try what border buses done or could still be doing) and have it so that each driver has their own bus for each shift during the pandemic to reduce contacts and there fire hopefully stop whats going on at Jesmond going on anywhere else.
(15 Feb 2021, 3:16 pm)GNE6312 Didn't really know where to put this but couldn't arriva not try what border buses done or could still be doing) and have it so that each driver has their own bus for each shift during the pandemic to reduce contacts and there fire hopefully stop whats going on at Jesmond going on anywhere else.
Seems like the problems at Ashington aren't getting any better even with the reduced service levels.
Noticed 1800 has been allocated to the X14 all day today and it's not a swap neither - https://bustimes.org/vehicles/190847
Also 1768 has appeared be doing some Ashington runs aswell - https://bustimes.org/vehicles/189613
Guessing they're getting pretty desperate and it seems there's like 8 buses off the road now. Not sure why Blyth are using Darts over Solo's either given the age differences.
(15 Feb 2021, 8:02 pm)Storx Seems like the problems at Ashington aren't getting any better even with the reduced service levels.
Noticed 1800 has been allocated to the X14 all day today and it's not a swap neither - https://bustimes.org/vehicles/190847
Also 1768 has appeared be doing some Ashington runs aswell - https://bustimes.org/vehicles/189613
(15 Feb 2021, 8:02 pm)Storx Seems like the problems at Ashington aren't getting any better even with the reduced service levels.
Noticed 1800 has been allocated to the X14 all day today and it's not a swap neither - https://bustimes.org/vehicles/190847
Also 1768 has appeared be doing some Ashington runs aswell - https://bustimes.org/vehicles/189613
(15 Feb 2021, 8:18 pm)mb134 Yep, as a surprise to absolutely nobody 7511/2/4/6/7 all VOR today (7512 emerged for a PM peak). 4653/9 both failed at some stage this morning, the former resulting in 7510 having a day on the X20 (my condolences to whoever got given that, with it's max speed of 40). 1579 has also been VOR for nearly two weeks.
7445/84, two weeks after the service reduction, were in use on the Sapphire cycle today - nothing screams premium more than a 20 year old ex-London B7TL. 1768, which was also on the Sapphire cycle (actually, this is possibly even worse than the B7TL?), was replaced prior to the evening peak with 7524 which had been pulled off the X18 on Friday night.
As far as I can tell the issues boil down to this: 7511/2/4-7 are horrendous. Their poor reliability means the vastly more capable 7524-8 are getting used on the Alnwick side more and more regularly, which is both impacting their reliability as well as meaning stuff like 1768 has to fill in for them on the X21/22. The horrendous condition of 7511/2/4-7 means that 7529-33 and 7553-6 are the main allocation on X18 boards which stay out until midnight, Mon-Sun, with 7524-8 also frequently appearing on these. In turn this means that they're all getting hammered 7 days a week, as the 57/09 plates are simply too unreliable (not to mention the Scanias) to put out on Sundays/evenings - though obviously this is sometimes a necessity, especially if a couple end at Alnwick on a Saturday night. Eventually it gets to here, where everything is dropping to bits because you've had to accomodate the shocking reliability of 9 of your MAX buses (incl. Scanias) for what is a number of years now. The decision to cancel those deckers due last year is looking worse by the day.
You'd hope that if upper management were in any way competent at their jobs, new vehicles would be in the pipeline. However given the overall condition of the fleet recently, especially in terms of presentation and reliability, I think we'll sooner see pigs fly than see competence from Mr. Peace and co.
(15 Feb 2021, 8:18 pm)mb134 Yep, as a surprise to absolutely nobody 7511/2/4/6/7 all VOR today (7512 emerged for a PM peak). 4653/9 both failed at some stage this morning, the former resulting in 7510 having a day on the X20 (my condolences to whoever got given that, with it's max speed of 40). 1579 has also been VOR for nearly two weeks.
7445/84, two weeks after the service reduction, were in use on the Sapphire cycle today - nothing screams premium more than a 20 year old ex-London B7TL. 1768, which was also on the Sapphire cycle (actually, this is possibly even worse than the B7TL?), was replaced prior to the evening peak with 7524 which had been pulled off the X18 on Friday night.
As far as I can tell the issues boil down to this: 7511/2/4-7 are horrendous. Their poor reliability means the vastly more capable 7524-8 are getting used on the Alnwick side more and more regularly, which is both impacting their reliability as well as meaning stuff like 1768 has to fill in for them on the X21/22. The horrendous condition of 7511/2/4-7 means that 7529-33 and 7553-6 are the main allocation on X18 boards which stay out until midnight, Mon-Sun, with 7524-8 also frequently appearing on these. In turn this means that they're all getting hammered 7 days a week, as the 57/09 plates are simply too unreliable (not to mention the Scanias) to put out on Sundays/evenings - though obviously this is sometimes a necessity, especially if a couple end at Alnwick on a Saturday night. Eventually it gets to here, where everything is dropping to bits because you've had to accomodate the shocking reliability of 9 of your MAX buses (incl. Scanias) for what is a number of years now. The decision to cancel those deckers due last year is looking worse by the day.
You'd hope that if upper management were in any way competent at their jobs, new vehicles would be in the pipeline. However given the overall condition of the fleet recently, especially in terms of presentation and reliability, I think we'll sooner see pigs fly than see competence from Mr. Peace and co.
(15 Feb 2021, 8:50 pm)Storx Yeah definitely agreed, not sure how they'll even fix it without investment tbh as sending up old London deckers and expecting them to run on express routes to Berwick isn't going to work. Could possible take Darlington's but not sure what's going on down there neither as the 7 has been ran with Scania's and a Solo today so either it's a weird choice or the bunch down there are as bad.
Mind whoever thought interworking the 35/X21/X22 needs to be asked questions especially if Ashington had a say as it's no wonder there's even bigger problems now since they've lost the dumping ground of the 35 of putting the usual suspects on 7510, 7445 and 7446 - 7510 in particular which the depot staff obviously don't rate at all since the 1800 and earlier in the week 2809 have been allocated over it.
Be interesting to see if we get cancellations soon especially since it's a rare working in itself to have a day to have minis on the 57 so to be relying on them for the express work then it's a sitting duck.
(15 Feb 2021, 8:50 pm)Storx Yeah definitely agreed, not sure how they'll even fix it without investment tbh as sending up old London deckers and expecting them to run on express routes to Berwick isn't going to work. Could possible take Darlington's but not sure what's going on down there neither as the 7 has been ran with Scania's and a Solo today so either it's a weird choice or the bunch down there are as bad.
Mind whoever thought interworking the 35/X21/X22 needs to be asked questions especially if Ashington had a say as it's no wonder there's even bigger problems now since they've lost the dumping ground of the 35 of putting the usual suspects on 7510, 7445 and 7446 - 7510 in particular which the depot staff obviously don't rate at all since the 1800 and earlier in the week 2809 have been allocated over it.
Be interesting to see if we get cancellations soon especially since it's a rare working in itself to have a day to have minis on the 57 so to be relying on them for the express work then it's a sitting duck.
(15 Feb 2021, 8:50 pm)Storx Yeah definitely agreed, not sure how they'll even fix it without investment tbh as sending up old London deckers and expecting them to run on express routes to Berwick isn't going to work. Could possible take Darlington's but not sure what's going on down there neither as the 7 has been ran with Scania's and a Solo today so either it's a weird choice or the bunch down there are as bad.
Mind whoever thought interworking the 35/X21/X22 needs to be asked questions especially if Ashington had a say as it's no wonder there's even bigger problems now since they've lost the dumping ground of the 35 of putting the usual suspects on 7510, 7445 and 7446 - 7510 in particular which the depot staff obviously don't rate at all since the 1800 and earlier in the week 2809 have been allocated over it.
Be interesting to see if we get cancellations soon especially since it's a rare working in itself to have a day to have minis on the 57 so to be relying on them for the express work then it's a sitting duck.
(15 Feb 2021, 8:50 pm)Storx Yeah definitely agreed, not sure how they'll even fix it without investment tbh as sending up old London deckers and expecting them to run on express routes to Berwick isn't going to work. Could possible take Darlington's but not sure what's going on down there neither as the 7 has been ran with Scania's and a Solo today so either it's a weird choice or the bunch down there are as bad.
Mind whoever thought interworking the 35/X21/X22 needs to be asked questions especially if Ashington had a say as it's no wonder there's even bigger problems now since they've lost the dumping ground of the 35 of putting the usual suspects on 7510, 7445 and 7446 - 7510 in particular which the depot staff obviously don't rate at all since the 1800 and earlier in the week 2809 have been allocated over it.
Be interesting to see if we get cancellations soon especially since it's a rare working in itself to have a day to have minis on the 57 so to be relying on them for the express work then it's a sitting duck.
(15 Feb 2021, 11:07 pm)mb134 Some of the Darlo 15 plates have never seemed amazing tbh, in terms of reliability anyway - 7538 was/is quite problematic iirc. The 14/64 plates aren't bad at all, it's just that they've been hammered so much over the past couple of years that they're picking up wear and tear niggles frequently now, and obviously major component issues more often than they would have otherwise. Ex-London stuff would likely be fine for a couple of years before landing again in the current situation, though really only if its Volvo stuff, we've seen with 7510 how bad ex-London E400s are.
Yeah they've lost the 35 dumping ground, however in theory that is what was dropped from the PVR requirement. So really 7445/6/84/86 should all be parked up. The X21/22 and 35 cycle has an identical PVR to the normal X21/22 cycle iirc, so 12x MMC and 2x 14 plates should cover it, obviously though the 14 plates are being punted onto Alnwick work. If they were kept standalone on 30 minute frequencies there'd be a boat load of layover time, so I understand the logic behind the combination.
(16 Feb 2021, 12:12 am)Stuartphin1639 With the service changes today Darlington currently have 2 long 7s to Durham but then 2 short 7s to Harrogate hill, Scanias and solo were the short 7s, the long 7s were deckers and a pulsar, with the service 2s now requiring euro 5 or euro 6 engine vehicles scanias can’t be used on the 2 no more due to the Amazon contract so have to find a home for them somewhere
Getting back to Darlingtons 15 plate deckers, to be honest they aren’t the greatest, not a day of by where one of them isn’t off road or don’t fail during the day, I was on 7534 the other day for essential reasons, it was struggling to get any power higher than 30mph
(15 Feb 2021, 11:07 pm)mb134 Some of the Darlo 15 plates have never seemed amazing tbh, in terms of reliability anyway - 7538 was/is quite problematic iirc. The 14/64 plates aren't bad at all, it's just that they've been hammered so much over the past couple of years that they're picking up wear and tear niggles frequently now, and obviously major component issues more often than they would have otherwise. Ex-London stuff would likely be fine for a couple of years before landing again in the current situation, though really only if its Volvo stuff, we've seen with 7510 how bad ex-London E400s are.
Yeah they've lost the 35 dumping ground, however in theory that is what was dropped from the PVR requirement. So really 7445/6/84/86 should all be parked up. The X21/22 and 35 cycle has an identical PVR to the normal X21/22 cycle iirc, so 12x MMC and 2x 14 plates should cover it, obviously though the 14 plates are being punted onto Alnwick work. If they were kept standalone on 30 minute frequencies there'd be a boat load of layover time, so I understand the logic behind the combination.
(16 Feb 2021, 12:12 am)Stuartphin1639 With the service changes today Darlington currently have 2 long 7s to Durham but then 2 short 7s to Harrogate hill, Scanias and solo were the short 7s, the long 7s were deckers and a pulsar, with the service 2s now requiring euro 5 or euro 6 engine vehicles scanias can’t be used on the 2 no more due to the Amazon contract so have to find a home for them somewhere
Getting back to Darlingtons 15 plate deckers, to be honest they aren’t the greatest, not a day of by where one of them isn’t off road or don’t fail during the day, I was on 7534 the other day for essential reasons, it was struggling to get any power higher than 30mph
(15 Feb 2021, 8:18 pm)mb134 You'd hope that if upper management were in any way competent at their jobs, new vehicles would be in the pipeline. However given the overall condition of the fleet recently, especially in terms of presentation and reliability, I think we'll sooner see pigs fly than see competence from Mr. Peace and co.
(15 Feb 2021, 8:18 pm)mb134 You'd hope that if upper management were in any way competent at their jobs, new vehicles would be in the pipeline. However given the overall condition of the fleet recently, especially in terms of presentation and reliability, I think we'll sooner see pigs fly than see competence from Mr. Peace and co.
(17 Feb 2021, 5:32 pm)L469 YVK My theory is that Arriva is being "asset stripped" (minimal money spent) ready for a sale.
Now might be a good time to buy some shares in Gold paint (or perhaps Blue/White/Orange).
In all seriousness though, GNE would make a good go of the Ashington & Alnwick 'X' routes. Bike racks would be a huge hit too particularly on the X14/X18/X20.
(17 Feb 2021, 5:32 pm)L469 YVK My theory is that Arriva is being "asset stripped" (minimal money spent) ready for a sale.
Now might be a good time to buy some shares in Gold paint (or perhaps Blue/White/Orange).
In all seriousness though, GNE would make a good go of the Ashington & Alnwick 'X' routes. Bike racks would be a huge hit too particularly on the X14/X18/X20.
(17 Feb 2021, 5:32 pm)L469 YVK My theory is that Arriva is being "asset stripped" (minimal money spent) ready for a sale.
Now might be a good time to buy some shares in Gold paint (or perhaps Blue/White/Orange).
In all seriousness though, GNE would make a good go of the Ashington & Alnwick 'X' routes. Bike racks would be a huge hit too particularly on the X14/X18/X20.
(17 Feb 2021, 5:32 pm)L469 YVK My theory is that Arriva is being "asset stripped" (minimal money spent) ready for a sale.
Now might be a good time to buy some shares in Gold paint (or perhaps Blue/White/Orange).
In all seriousness though, GNE would make a good go of the Ashington & Alnwick 'X' routes. Bike racks would be a huge hit too particularly on the X14/X18/X20.
(17 Feb 2021, 9:43 pm)RobinHood Conversely, a business with a fleet that needs huge investment wouldn't hold a big sale price either, given the buyer would know about this. It makes no sense to run a business down if you wish to sell it.I doubt FirstBus would venture into the North East. Transdev to Whitby & Redcar wouldn't be a surprise though.
Let's be clear though, Go North East wouldn't be allowed by the CMA to buy Arriva as it stands and would be forced to sell parts of it where they consider a serious reduction in competition. County Durham for example.
If Arriva was up for sale again, likely a whole new operator (First, Transdev etc).
(17 Feb 2021, 9:43 pm)RobinHood Conversely, a business with a fleet that needs huge investment wouldn't hold a big sale price either, given the buyer would know about this. It makes no sense to run a business down if you wish to sell it.I doubt FirstBus would venture into the North East. Transdev to Whitby & Redcar wouldn't be a surprise though.
Let's be clear though, Go North East wouldn't be allowed by the CMA to buy Arriva as it stands and would be forced to sell parts of it where they consider a serious reduction in competition. County Durham for example.
If Arriva was up for sale again, likely a whole new operator (First, Transdev etc).
