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Keeiajs

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28 Sep 2021, 8:58 pm #81
Lets face it Arriva has given up. There is still MAX branding off 4 years ago. Vinyl Wraps to cover stuff up. 

Arriva aren't ordering many new buses (bar london) they will probs just end up selling off Depots.
Keeiajs
28 Sep 2021, 8:58 pm #81

Lets face it Arriva has given up. There is still MAX branding off 4 years ago. Vinyl Wraps to cover stuff up. 

Arriva aren't ordering many new buses (bar london) they will probs just end up selling off Depots.

mb134



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28 Sep 2021, 9:23 pm #82
(28 Sep 2021, 8:58 pm)Keeiajs Lets face it Arriva has given up. There is still MAX branding off 4 years ago. Vinyl Wraps to cover stuff up. 

Arriva aren't ordering many new buses (bar london) they will probs just end up selling off Depots.

I'm assuming you're deliberately ignoring the current refurbishments of the Darlington MANs, the repaints of the X93 B9TLs, and the other efforts going on to smarten up the fleet?
mb134
28 Sep 2021, 9:23 pm #82

(28 Sep 2021, 8:58 pm)Keeiajs Lets face it Arriva has given up. There is still MAX branding off 4 years ago. Vinyl Wraps to cover stuff up. 

Arriva aren't ordering many new buses (bar london) they will probs just end up selling off Depots.

I'm assuming you're deliberately ignoring the current refurbishments of the Darlington MANs, the repaints of the X93 B9TLs, and the other efforts going on to smarten up the fleet?

Keeiajs

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28 Sep 2021, 9:25 pm #83
(28 Sep 2021, 9:23 pm)mb134 I'm assuming you're deliberately ignoring the current refurbishments of the Darlington MANs, the repaints of the X93 B9TLs, and the other efforts going on to smarten up the fleet?
Minimum what they need.

They are refurbing, what like 20 buses, out of 200 odd. Haven't bought a new bus since 2018 (in NE), Not sure if Northumbria counts, if it doesn't then that is 16.
Keeiajs
28 Sep 2021, 9:25 pm #83

(28 Sep 2021, 9:23 pm)mb134 I'm assuming you're deliberately ignoring the current refurbishments of the Darlington MANs, the repaints of the X93 B9TLs, and the other efforts going on to smarten up the fleet?
Minimum what they need.

They are refurbing, what like 20 buses, out of 200 odd. Haven't bought a new bus since 2018 (in NE), Not sure if Northumbria counts, if it doesn't then that is 16.

Train8261



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28 Sep 2021, 9:29 pm #84
What was the last purchase of buses
Train8261
28 Sep 2021, 9:29 pm #84

What was the last purchase of buses

Keeiajs

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28 Sep 2021, 9:30 pm #85
(28 Sep 2021, 9:29 pm)Train8261 What was the last purchase of buses
Northumbria (E400 MMC 2018)

ANE 2016 or 2015 iirc
Keeiajs
28 Sep 2021, 9:30 pm #85

(28 Sep 2021, 9:29 pm)Train8261 What was the last purchase of buses
Northumbria (E400 MMC 2018)

ANE 2016 or 2015 iirc

mb134



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28 Sep 2021, 9:33 pm #86
(28 Sep 2021, 9:25 pm)Keeiajs Minimum what they need.

They are refurbing, what like 20 buses, out of 200 odd. Haven't bought a new bus since 2018 (in NE), Not sure if Northumbria counts, if it doesn't then that is 16.

You do realise they can't send the entire fleet away at once right? I'm not saying they are, but the fact is you don't know they aren't. 

ANE and ADC both had new vehicles in 2017-18, so the BIB makes zero sense.

(28 Sep 2021, 9:30 pm)Keeiajs Northumbria (E400 MMC 2018)

ANE 2016 or 2015 iirc

Darlington's Streetlites say hi.
Edited 28 Sep 2021, 9:33 pm by mb134.
mb134
28 Sep 2021, 9:33 pm #86

(28 Sep 2021, 9:25 pm)Keeiajs Minimum what they need.

They are refurbing, what like 20 buses, out of 200 odd. Haven't bought a new bus since 2018 (in NE), Not sure if Northumbria counts, if it doesn't then that is 16.

You do realise they can't send the entire fleet away at once right? I'm not saying they are, but the fact is you don't know they aren't. 

ANE and ADC both had new vehicles in 2017-18, so the BIB makes zero sense.

(28 Sep 2021, 9:30 pm)Keeiajs Northumbria (E400 MMC 2018)

ANE 2016 or 2015 iirc

Darlington's Streetlites say hi.

Keeiajs

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28 Sep 2021, 9:47 pm #87
(28 Sep 2021, 9:33 pm)mb134 You do realise they can't send the entire fleet away at once right? I'm not saying they are, but the fact is you don't know they aren't. 

ANE and ADC both had new vehicles in 2017-18, so the BIB makes zero sense.
Oh I know they can't but they are showing barely any care. 

But they have basically given up. DB has. They are going to end up just selling off depots, its the truth. Arriva hasn't cared for years.
Keeiajs
28 Sep 2021, 9:47 pm #87

(28 Sep 2021, 9:33 pm)mb134 You do realise they can't send the entire fleet away at once right? I'm not saying they are, but the fact is you don't know they aren't. 

ANE and ADC both had new vehicles in 2017-18, so the BIB makes zero sense.
Oh I know they can't but they are showing barely any care. 

But they have basically given up. DB has. They are going to end up just selling off depots, its the truth. Arriva hasn't cared for years.

mb134



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28 Sep 2021, 9:50 pm #88
(28 Sep 2021, 9:47 pm)Keeiajs Oh I know they can't but they are showing barely any care. 

But they have basically given up. DB has. They are going to end up just selling off depots, its the truth. Arriva hasn't cared for years.

I'd suggest paying an external company to come in and de/rebrand vehicles shows some amount of care/a change in attitude.
mb134
28 Sep 2021, 9:50 pm #88

(28 Sep 2021, 9:47 pm)Keeiajs Oh I know they can't but they are showing barely any care. 

But they have basically given up. DB has. They are going to end up just selling off depots, its the truth. Arriva hasn't cared for years.

I'd suggest paying an external company to come in and de/rebrand vehicles shows some amount of care/a change in attitude.

Keeiajs

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28 Sep 2021, 9:54 pm #89
(28 Sep 2021, 9:50 pm)mb134 I'd suggest paying an external company to come in and de/rebrand vehicles shows some amount of care/a change in attitude.
Some amount of care after 3-4 years of non doesnt show anything really.
Keeiajs
28 Sep 2021, 9:54 pm #89

(28 Sep 2021, 9:50 pm)mb134 I'd suggest paying an external company to come in and de/rebrand vehicles shows some amount of care/a change in attitude.
Some amount of care after 3-4 years of non doesnt show anything really.

L469 YVK



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28 Sep 2021, 10:05 pm #90
Just thought about this.........but maybe they've repainted the X93/X94 into Sapphire to bring some "commonality" should the inevitable cascade for them happen.

It would make sense to purchase new vehicles for the X93/X94 given the B9TLs still have some useful life left in them and would be ideal candidates for the X20.

If new vehicles were ordered for the X15, X18, X21, X22, X93/X94, the primary vehicles released would be:

- 12x E400MMC (10x 308, 1x Blyth spare, 1x Ashington spare)
- 15x E400 Classics 2014/2015 (12x 43/44/45, 3x Ashington - X14)
- 6x Volvo B9TL (4x X20, 2x Float spares)

The above in turn would then further release..............
- 10x 2011/2012 VDL DB300 Gemini 2
- 11x E400 Classics (7501-09 & 7511-12)
- 4x E400 Classics (7514-17) - would still be useful as spares or lower key work
L469 YVK
28 Sep 2021, 10:05 pm #90

Just thought about this.........but maybe they've repainted the X93/X94 into Sapphire to bring some "commonality" should the inevitable cascade for them happen.

It would make sense to purchase new vehicles for the X93/X94 given the B9TLs still have some useful life left in them and would be ideal candidates for the X20.

If new vehicles were ordered for the X15, X18, X21, X22, X93/X94, the primary vehicles released would be:

- 12x E400MMC (10x 308, 1x Blyth spare, 1x Ashington spare)
- 15x E400 Classics 2014/2015 (12x 43/44/45, 3x Ashington - X14)
- 6x Volvo B9TL (4x X20, 2x Float spares)

The above in turn would then further release..............
- 10x 2011/2012 VDL DB300 Gemini 2
- 11x E400 Classics (7501-09 & 7511-12)
- 4x E400 Classics (7514-17) - would still be useful as spares or lower key work

Train8261



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28 Sep 2021, 10:21 pm #91
They need to sort allocations out like

306 is a mix of Deckers, Solos, StreetLite and VDL Pulsar

52/53/54 is a mix of StreetLite & Solos with the odd Pulsar and decker chucked in

43/44/45 is the same as the 306 taking away the Solos

X7/X8/X9/X10/X11 is mainly DB300 Wright Gemini with the odd few Pulsar chucked in

X14/X15/X18 is mainly all deckers but a mix of E400 and MMC

X21/X22 is Mainly always MMC but with the odd Solo thrown is as well

I'd say the only routes that have full allocations all the time is the 685 & 51/51A

I mean the 306 is branding on two different buses
Train8261
28 Sep 2021, 10:21 pm #91

They need to sort allocations out like

306 is a mix of Deckers, Solos, StreetLite and VDL Pulsar

52/53/54 is a mix of StreetLite & Solos with the odd Pulsar and decker chucked in

43/44/45 is the same as the 306 taking away the Solos

X7/X8/X9/X10/X11 is mainly DB300 Wright Gemini with the odd few Pulsar chucked in

X14/X15/X18 is mainly all deckers but a mix of E400 and MMC

X21/X22 is Mainly always MMC but with the odd Solo thrown is as well

I'd say the only routes that have full allocations all the time is the 685 & 51/51A

I mean the 306 is branding on two different buses

Storx



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28 Sep 2021, 10:44 pm #92
(28 Sep 2021, 10:21 pm)Train8261 They need to sort allocations out like

306 is a mix of Deckers, Solos, StreetLite and VDL Pulsar

52/53/54 is a mix of StreetLite & Solos with the odd Pulsar and decker chucked in

43/44/45 is the same as the 306 taking away the Solos

X7/X8/X9/X10/X11 is mainly DB300 Wright Gemini with the odd few Pulsar chucked in

X14/X15/X18 is mainly all deckers but a mix of E400 and MMC

X21/X22 is Mainly always MMC but with the odd Solo thrown is as well

I'd say the only routes that have full allocations all the time is the 685 & 51/51A

I mean the 306 is branding on two different buses

The reason there's no allocations per say is because buses get swapped around at Blyth and Jesmond to keep buses on time. It's better than the alternative of curtailing buses short to keep things on the same route. I know which option I'd rather have and nearly every normal customer would agree.

Arriva also have mixed allocations for some routes as there's some boards busier than others. What's the point in having deckers on something when all it needs a full single.

This forums the dull the last few weeks. Just constant moaning about allocations when it's the least of problems atm with a massive driver shortage and because of Covid, parts shortages aswell.
Storx
28 Sep 2021, 10:44 pm #92

(28 Sep 2021, 10:21 pm)Train8261 They need to sort allocations out like

306 is a mix of Deckers, Solos, StreetLite and VDL Pulsar

52/53/54 is a mix of StreetLite & Solos with the odd Pulsar and decker chucked in

43/44/45 is the same as the 306 taking away the Solos

X7/X8/X9/X10/X11 is mainly DB300 Wright Gemini with the odd few Pulsar chucked in

X14/X15/X18 is mainly all deckers but a mix of E400 and MMC

X21/X22 is Mainly always MMC but with the odd Solo thrown is as well

I'd say the only routes that have full allocations all the time is the 685 & 51/51A

I mean the 306 is branding on two different buses

The reason there's no allocations per say is because buses get swapped around at Blyth and Jesmond to keep buses on time. It's better than the alternative of curtailing buses short to keep things on the same route. I know which option I'd rather have and nearly every normal customer would agree.

Arriva also have mixed allocations for some routes as there's some boards busier than others. What's the point in having deckers on something when all it needs a full single.

This forums the dull the last few weeks. Just constant moaning about allocations when it's the least of problems atm with a massive driver shortage and because of Covid, parts shortages aswell.

mb134



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28 Sep 2021, 10:46 pm #93
(28 Sep 2021, 10:21 pm)Train8261 X14/X15/X18 is mainly all deckers but a mix of E400 and MMC

So, the correct allocation? 

MMCs are rarely allocated, if they are it's generally as a last resort or later on in the day.

(28 Sep 2021, 10:21 pm)Train8261 X21/X22 is Mainly always MMC but with the odd Solo thrown is as well

I mean, it's more common to be a B7TL standing in, but ultimately if the only bus left is a Solo then folk will prefer that to walking. Don't see this same energy from you towards other companies like...
Edited 28 Sep 2021, 10:48 pm by mb134.
mb134
28 Sep 2021, 10:46 pm #93

(28 Sep 2021, 10:21 pm)Train8261 X14/X15/X18 is mainly all deckers but a mix of E400 and MMC

So, the correct allocation? 

MMCs are rarely allocated, if they are it's generally as a last resort or later on in the day.

(28 Sep 2021, 10:21 pm)Train8261 X21/X22 is Mainly always MMC but with the odd Solo thrown is as well

I mean, it's more common to be a B7TL standing in, but ultimately if the only bus left is a Solo then folk will prefer that to walking. Don't see this same energy from you towards other companies like...

citaro5284



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29 Sep 2021, 4:15 am #94
(28 Sep 2021, 10:44 pm)Storx The reason there's no allocations per say is because buses get swapped around at Blyth and Jesmond to keep buses on time. It's better than the alternative of curtailing buses short to keep things on the same route. I know which option I'd rather have and nearly every normal customer would agree.

Arriva also have mixed allocations for some routes as there's some boards busier than others. What's the point in having deckers on something when all it needs a full single.

This forums the dull the last few weeks. Just constant moaning about allocations when it's the least of problems atm with a massive driver shortage and because of Covid, parts shortages aswell.

It will be interesting how this would work if the rumoured new depot at East Hartford gets built and Blyth closes, as they will not have the buses at Blyth to play around with.
citaro5284
29 Sep 2021, 4:15 am #94

(28 Sep 2021, 10:44 pm)Storx The reason there's no allocations per say is because buses get swapped around at Blyth and Jesmond to keep buses on time. It's better than the alternative of curtailing buses short to keep things on the same route. I know which option I'd rather have and nearly every normal customer would agree.

Arriva also have mixed allocations for some routes as there's some boards busier than others. What's the point in having deckers on something when all it needs a full single.

This forums the dull the last few weeks. Just constant moaning about allocations when it's the least of problems atm with a massive driver shortage and because of Covid, parts shortages aswell.

It will be interesting how this would work if the rumoured new depot at East Hartford gets built and Blyth closes, as they will not have the buses at Blyth to play around with.

29 Sep 2021, 4:56 am #95
(29 Sep 2021, 4:15 am)citaro5284 It will be interesting how this would work if the rumoured new depot at East Hartford gets built and Blyth closes, as they will not have the buses at Blyth to play around with.

If the Ashington move is anything to go by (they moved into a vacant shop next to the bus station), then they'll still have facilities at or near Blyth bus station for supervisors and driver breaks so there'll probably still be someone on the ground to swap buses around.
omnicity4659
29 Sep 2021, 4:56 am #95

(29 Sep 2021, 4:15 am)citaro5284 It will be interesting how this would work if the rumoured new depot at East Hartford gets built and Blyth closes, as they will not have the buses at Blyth to play around with.

If the Ashington move is anything to go by (they moved into a vacant shop next to the bus station), then they'll still have facilities at or near Blyth bus station for supervisors and driver breaks so there'll probably still be someone on the ground to swap buses around.

Storx



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29 Sep 2021, 7:20 am #96
(29 Sep 2021, 4:15 am)citaro5284 It will be interesting how this would work if the rumoured new depot at East Hartford gets built and Blyth closes, as they will not have the buses at Blyth to play around with.

Yeah that's true but I suppose it depends where breaks are done like someone said.

I believe it happens at Durham aswell but I'm not 100% sure on that as I'm not from down there and the depot there is a similar distance away.

Wasn't it supposed to be a super depot to replace Jesmond aswell though. So I suppose it could all be done at Haymarket with everything at play bar the Ashington buses.
Storx
29 Sep 2021, 7:20 am #96

(29 Sep 2021, 4:15 am)citaro5284 It will be interesting how this would work if the rumoured new depot at East Hartford gets built and Blyth closes, as they will not have the buses at Blyth to play around with.

Yeah that's true but I suppose it depends where breaks are done like someone said.

I believe it happens at Durham aswell but I'm not 100% sure on that as I'm not from down there and the depot there is a similar distance away.

Wasn't it supposed to be a super depot to replace Jesmond aswell though. So I suppose it could all be done at Haymarket with everything at play bar the Ashington buses.

Jimmi



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29 Sep 2021, 1:46 pm #97
(28 Sep 2021, 8:58 pm)Keeiajs Lets face it Arriva has given up. There is still MAX branding off 4 years ago. Vinyl Wraps to cover stuff up. 

Arriva aren't ordering many new buses (bar london) they will probs just end up selling off Depots.

I wouldn't say given up, they've played very safe the last 2 years especially since covid as let's face it, buying new buses in the hope of seeing some returns is a very risky strategy.

Given the fact that vinyls are being addressed now leads to suggest some effort is being at least thought of, granted its not the best look but looks to be the start of a big project to address fleet presentation and considering the numbers of buses that have to be done is gonna take time (or at least I hope this is the case), feels like Arriva now want to get rid of these old route brandings and liveries, think some of the buses I saw in Yorkshire had also lost route specific branding although less of a push with new logo.

Last new buses for North East were 67 plate Lites at Darlington at the start of 2018, wish I could forget them like all the Tyneside enthusiasts seem to do!
Jimmi
29 Sep 2021, 1:46 pm #97

(28 Sep 2021, 8:58 pm)Keeiajs Lets face it Arriva has given up. There is still MAX branding off 4 years ago. Vinyl Wraps to cover stuff up. 

Arriva aren't ordering many new buses (bar london) they will probs just end up selling off Depots.

I wouldn't say given up, they've played very safe the last 2 years especially since covid as let's face it, buying new buses in the hope of seeing some returns is a very risky strategy.

Given the fact that vinyls are being addressed now leads to suggest some effort is being at least thought of, granted its not the best look but looks to be the start of a big project to address fleet presentation and considering the numbers of buses that have to be done is gonna take time (or at least I hope this is the case), feels like Arriva now want to get rid of these old route brandings and liveries, think some of the buses I saw in Yorkshire had also lost route specific branding although less of a push with new logo.

Last new buses for North East were 67 plate Lites at Darlington at the start of 2018, wish I could forget them like all the Tyneside enthusiasts seem to do!

GNE6312



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01 Oct 2021, 5:14 pm #98
MAX Geminis 7603 & 7624 now debranded aswell as frequenta pulsars 1429 & 1432
GNE6312
01 Oct 2021, 5:14 pm #98

MAX Geminis 7603 & 7624 now debranded aswell as frequenta pulsars 1429 & 1432

01 Oct 2021, 5:50 pm #99
Main reason a lot of Blyth Geminis are being done is because they were still showing X10/11 "Up to every 10 minutes" which is not the case now and never will be again, 15 mins is more than adequate as long as DD are used.
Driver9***
01 Oct 2021, 5:50 pm #99

Main reason a lot of Blyth Geminis are being done is because they were still showing X10/11 "Up to every 10 minutes" which is not the case now and never will be again, 15 mins is more than adequate as long as DD are used.

L469 YVK



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02 Oct 2021, 12:28 am #100
(01 Oct 2021, 5:50 pm)Driver9*** Main reason a lot of Blyth Geminis are being done is because they were still showing X10/11 "Up to every 10 minutes" which is not the case now and never will be again, 15 mins is more than adequate as long as DD are used.
Would they not be better (with the southern sections from Cramlington to Newcastle replaced by something else) scrapping the X8 & X9 in current form and just having the following:

- X9 every 30 mins= Current X8 route from Blyth to Cramlington then X10/X11 route to Newcastle

- X10 = Same route and frequency as now

- X11 = Same route and frequency as now
L469 YVK
02 Oct 2021, 12:28 am #100

(01 Oct 2021, 5:50 pm)Driver9*** Main reason a lot of Blyth Geminis are being done is because they were still showing X10/11 "Up to every 10 minutes" which is not the case now and never will be again, 15 mins is more than adequate as long as DD are used.
Would they not be better (with the southern sections from Cramlington to Newcastle replaced by something else) scrapping the X8 & X9 in current form and just having the following:

- X9 every 30 mins= Current X8 route from Blyth to Cramlington then X10/X11 route to Newcastle

- X10 = Same route and frequency as now

- X11 = Same route and frequency as now

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