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Andreos1



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17 Dec 2021, 1:44 pm #84
(17 Dec 2021, 1:22 pm)Adrian Sounds like the congestion-busting buses of North West Durham aren't doing it for Dicky.

In seriousness, and whilst I can't see either happening, the Annfield Plain/Stanley route is probably the better option, but you then hit the hurdle of how many paths they're likely to be given on the ECML, where it would join around Birtley. It's already over-congested with no light at the end of the tunnel, thanks to the Tories already kicking the much more widely-supported Leamside reopening into the long grass. That of course impacts the likely frequency along the line.

The frequency can of course reduce any benefits gained from journey time, but I'd be interested in what they'd anticipate as a journey time between Consett and Newcastle. Whilst the X70/X71 aren't exactly the quickest routes, I think we'd see them become a lot quicker faced with competition from a train.

I just can't see the business case stacking up here, and I think its nothing more than a token gesture from the politicians.

My own thoughts were immediately focused on reinstating the slow lines between Pelaw Grange and Team Valley. That would help massively in this scenario. 
If I remember right, they were pulled up around 88/89 when electrification happened. 

Like you say, I can't see the business case stacking up. Which is unfortunate.

'Illegitimis non carborundum'
Andreos1
17 Dec 2021, 1:44 pm #84

(17 Dec 2021, 1:22 pm)Adrian Sounds like the congestion-busting buses of North West Durham aren't doing it for Dicky.

In seriousness, and whilst I can't see either happening, the Annfield Plain/Stanley route is probably the better option, but you then hit the hurdle of how many paths they're likely to be given on the ECML, where it would join around Birtley. It's already over-congested with no light at the end of the tunnel, thanks to the Tories already kicking the much more widely-supported Leamside reopening into the long grass. That of course impacts the likely frequency along the line.

The frequency can of course reduce any benefits gained from journey time, but I'd be interested in what they'd anticipate as a journey time between Consett and Newcastle. Whilst the X70/X71 aren't exactly the quickest routes, I think we'd see them become a lot quicker faced with competition from a train.

I just can't see the business case stacking up here, and I think its nothing more than a token gesture from the politicians.

My own thoughts were immediately focused on reinstating the slow lines between Pelaw Grange and Team Valley. That would help massively in this scenario. 
If I remember right, they were pulled up around 88/89 when electrification happened. 

Like you say, I can't see the business case stacking up. Which is unfortunate.


'Illegitimis non carborundum'

 
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East Coast Main Line - by Andreos1 - 09 May 2013, 4:09 pm
RE: ecml - by Adrian - 09 May 2013, 6:44 pm
RE: ecml - by Andreos1 - 02 Jun 2013, 9:58 am
RE: ecml - by Andreos1 - 20 Sep 2013, 6:51 pm
RE: ecml - by Adam - 29 Oct 2013, 2:05 pm
RE: ecml - by Andreos1 - 29 Oct 2013, 2:18 pm
RE: ecml - by Adrian - 29 Oct 2013, 5:34 pm
RE: ecml - by Rapidsnap - 13 Nov 2013, 10:00 pm
RE: ecml - by MrFozz - 14 Nov 2013, 9:16 am
RE: ecml - by Andreos1 - 14 Nov 2013, 12:39 pm
RE: ecml - by MrFozz - 14 Nov 2013, 3:38 pm
RE: ecml - by Andreos1 - 14 Nov 2013, 7:04 pm
RE: ecml - by Andreos1 - 13 Nov 2013, 6:57 pm
Re: RE: ecml - by Adrian - 14 Nov 2013, 2:38 pm
RE: ecml - by Andreos1 - 25 Aug 2015, 12:04 pm
RE: ecml - by Andreos1 - 12 May 2016, 7:57 am
RE: East Coast Main Line - by Andreos1 - 01 Jun 2016, 3:42 pm
RE: East Coast Main Line - by northern156 - 01 Jun 2016, 4:15 pm
RE: East Coast Main Line - by Adrian - 01 Jun 2016, 5:14 pm
RE: East Coast Main Line - by citaro5284 - 01 Jun 2016, 5:26 pm
RE: East Coast Main Line - by S813 FVK - 01 Jun 2016, 6:40 pm
RE: East Coast Main Line - by 8222 - 01 Jun 2016, 7:29 pm
RE: East Coast Main Line - by South Tyne Lad - 01 Jun 2016, 7:33 pm
RE: East Coast Main Line - by S813 FVK - 02 Jun 2016, 12:22 pm
RE: East Coast Main Line - by Malarkey - 06 Jun 2016, 7:49 pm
RE: East Coast Main Line - by citaro5284 - 06 Jun 2016, 7:57 pm
RE: East Coast Main Line - by Malarkey - 06 Jun 2016, 8:12 pm
RE: East Coast Main Line - by Bus_User - 06 Jun 2016, 11:48 pm
RE: East Coast Main Line - by northern156 - 07 Jun 2016, 3:17 pm
RE: East Coast Main Line - by Andreos1 - 07 Jun 2016, 4:52 pm
RE: East Coast Main Line - by 8222 - 06 Jun 2016, 4:11 pm
RE: East Coast Main Line - by South Tyne Lad - 06 Jun 2016, 4:32 pm
RE: East Coast Main Line - by Jimmi - 07 Jun 2016, 3:38 pm
RE: East Coast Main Line - by NK53 TKT - 07 Jun 2016, 3:45 pm
RE: East Coast Main Line - by Andreos1 - 07 Jun 2016, 3:47 pm
RE: East Coast Main Line - by NK53 TKT - 07 Jun 2016, 3:53 pm
RE: East Coast Main Line - by 8222 - 06 Sep 2016, 8:25 pm
RE: East Coast Main Line - by Andreos1 - 07 Nov 2016, 2:59 pm
RE: East Coast Main Line - by Andreos1 - 13 Dec 2016, 10:06 am
RE: East Coast Main Line - by Andreos1 - 20 Dec 2016, 8:41 am
RE: East Coast Main Line - by Andreos1 - 19 Jan 2017, 7:46 pm
RE: East Coast Main Line - by Andreos1 - 24 Jan 2017, 6:10 pm
RE: East Coast Main Line - by Malarkey - 02 Mar 2017, 8:12 pm
RE: East Coast Main Line - by Stuartphin1639 - 18 Mar 2017, 11:24 am
RE: East Coast Main Line - by Thomas43299 - 19 Mar 2017, 5:05 pm
RE: East Coast Main Line - by BusLoverMum - 19 Mar 2017, 8:10 pm
RE: East Coast Main Line - by Andreos1 - 21 Mar 2017, 1:11 pm
RE: East Coast Main Line - by Andreos1 - 16 Apr 2017, 6:29 pm
RE: East Coast Main Line - by Andreos1 - 21 Apr 2017, 7:25 am
RE: East Coast Main Line - by 8222 - 06 Aug 2017, 7:58 pm
RE: East Coast Main Line - by Andreos1 - 10 Aug 2017, 9:27 pm
RE: East Coast Main Line - by 8222 - 11 Aug 2017, 11:47 am
RE: East Coast Main Line - by Andreos1 - 11 Aug 2017, 12:07 pm
RE: East Coast Main Line - by 8222 - 15 Aug 2017, 5:47 pm
RE: East Coast Main Line - by Andreos1 - 28 Nov 2017, 9:33 am
East Coast Main Line - by Thomas43299 - 28 Nov 2017, 7:07 pm
RE: East Coast Main Line - by Andreos1 - 23 Sep 2018, 4:02 pm
RE: East Coast Main Line - by Andreos1 - 15 Feb 2019, 5:02 pm
RE: East Coast Main Line - by Malarkey - 21 Mar 2019, 8:17 pm
RE: East Coast Main Line - by citaro5284 - 21 Mar 2019, 8:21 pm
RE: East Coast Main Line - by Malarkey - 21 Mar 2019, 8:28 pm
RE: East Coast Main Line - by Andreos1 - 21 Mar 2019, 8:34 pm
RE: East Coast Main Line - by Malarkey - 21 Mar 2019, 8:52 pm
RE: East Coast Main Line - by Malarkey - 16 Apr 2019, 12:58 pm
RE: East Coast Main Line - by Andreos1 - 04 Jun 2019, 4:47 pm
RE: East Coast Main Line - by 8222 - 08 Aug 2019, 11:28 am
RE: East Coast Main Line - by Andreos1 - 09 Oct 2019, 1:49 pm
RE: East Coast Main Line - by pbjd - 09 Oct 2019, 3:18 pm
RE: East Coast Main Line - by Andreos1 - 05 Jul 2020, 4:07 pm
RE: East Coast Main Line - by Andreos1 - 28 Feb 2021, 10:35 am
RE: East Coast Main Line - by Andreos1 - 12 Jun 2021, 10:44 am
RE: East Coast Main Line - by citaro5284 - 12 Jun 2021, 10:52 am
RE: East Coast Main Line - by busmanT - 12 Jun 2021, 12:47 pm
RE: East Coast Main Line - by citaro5284 - 12 Jun 2021, 1:46 pm
RE: East Coast Main Line - by Andreos1 - 12 Jun 2021, 2:11 pm
RE: East Coast Main Line - by pbjd - 12 Jun 2021, 4:08 pm
RE: East Coast Main Line - by IRHardy - 12 Sep 2021, 7:25 am
RE: East Coast Main Line - by 54APhotography - 12 Sep 2021, 7:28 am
RE: East Coast Main Line - by Rob44 - 12 Jun 2021, 2:10 pm
RE: East Coast Main Line - by citaro5284 - 07 Sep 2021, 5:38 am
RE: East Coast Main Line - by Andreos1 - 17 Dec 2021, 12:27 pm
RE: East Coast Main Line - by Adrian - 17 Dec 2021, 1:22 pm
RE: East Coast Main Line - by Andreos1 - 17 Dec 2021, 1:44 pm
RE: East Coast Main Line - by 54APhotography - 17 Dec 2021, 2:29 pm
RE: East Coast Main Line - by Storx - 17 Dec 2021, 6:49 pm
RE: East Coast Main Line - by 54APhotography - 17 Dec 2021, 6:54 pm
RE: East Coast Main Line - by Andreos1 - 19 Jun 2022, 9:30 am
RE: East Coast Main Line - by Adrian - 19 Jun 2022, 11:37 am
RE: East Coast Main Line - by Andreos1 - 19 Jun 2022, 11:42 am
RE: East Coast Main Line - by omnicity4659 - 19 Jun 2022, 11:43 am
RE: East Coast Main Line - by Andreos1 - 19 Jun 2022, 11:47 am
RE: East Coast Main Line - by omnicity4659 - 19 Jun 2022, 11:51 am
RE: East Coast Main Line - by busmanT - 20 Jun 2022, 11:23 pm
RE: East Coast Main Line - by User2613 - 21 Jun 2022, 8:18 am
RE: East Coast Main Line - by Andreos1 - 16 Apr 2024, 12:18 pm
First Group ECML Approval - by South Tyne Lad - 12 May 2016, 3:39 pm