ZEBRA zero-emission buses scheme launched
ZEBRA zero-emission buses scheme launched
(01 Nov 2021, 5:07 pm)Jimmi I could see CLS depot closing in the future tbh especially if the 21 moves to Riverside, pretty much everything they operate could easily be done out of other depots, only real awkward ones are the 34/71 for driver changeovers.
Could maybe add a few extra X22 trips to save on some dead milage too.
(01 Nov 2021, 5:07 pm)Jimmi I could see CLS depot closing in the future tbh especially if the 21 moves to Riverside, pretty much everything they operate could easily be done out of other depots, only real awkward ones are the 34/71 for driver changeovers.
Could maybe add a few extra X22 trips to save on some dead milage too.
(01 Nov 2021, 5:44 pm)Storx If any route will have trouble it will be the X21 unless they reopen an outstation somewhere. It already has 18 mile dead runs in the morning / evening, if CLS goes then that'll be extended to 29 mile. That's nearly another hour added on daily doing dead runs.
Similar the 21 with it's dead runs.
It's easy enough to say to run them from Newcastle in the morning but you might aswell call it a dead run as it won't pick anyone up since no-one wants to go to CLS / Bishop, similar to Newcastle late in an evening. Wouldn't be surprised to see some of the later / early runs disappear.
(01 Nov 2021, 5:44 pm)Storx If any route will have trouble it will be the X21 unless they reopen an outstation somewhere. It already has 18 mile dead runs in the morning / evening, if CLS goes then that'll be extended to 29 mile. That's nearly another hour added on daily doing dead runs.
Similar the 21 with it's dead runs.
It's easy enough to say to run them from Newcastle in the morning but you might aswell call it a dead run as it won't pick anyone up since no-one wants to go to CLS / Bishop, similar to Newcastle late in an evening. Wouldn't be surprised to see some of the later / early runs disappear.
(01 Nov 2021, 12:16 am)Michael Which now only has the V1/V2/V3 unless we see routes added in the future? Or they've amended the order and the PDF hasn't been updated.The PDF document was just an expression of interest in the scheme - the actual bid should go in during January according to the ZEBRA scheme details.
Edit: looks like March 2022 when they'll find out if the bid is successful.
(01 Nov 2021, 12:16 am)Michael Which now only has the V1/V2/V3 unless we see routes added in the future? Or they've amended the order and the PDF hasn't been updated.The PDF document was just an expression of interest in the scheme - the actual bid should go in during January according to the ZEBRA scheme details.
Edit: looks like March 2022 when they'll find out if the bid is successful.
(01 Nov 2021, 5:44 pm)Storx If any route will have trouble it will be the X21 unless they reopen an outstation somewhere. It already has 18 mile dead runs in the morning / evening, if CLS goes then that'll be extended to 29 mile. That's nearly another hour added on daily doing dead runs.GNE could perhaps operate it out of Consett. Consett to WA is roughly the same distance via the A68 as from CLS. Consett bait room (similar to old North Shields office) at Chester Le Street with perhaps the 8 also being operated by Consett to make it worthwhile.
Similar the 21 with it's dead runs.
It's easy enough to say to run them from Newcastle in the morning but you might aswell call it a dead run as it won't pick anyone up since no-one wants to go to CLS / Bishop, similar to Newcastle late in an evening. Wouldn't be surprised to see some of the later / early runs disappear.
(01 Nov 2021, 5:44 pm)Storx If any route will have trouble it will be the X21 unless they reopen an outstation somewhere. It already has 18 mile dead runs in the morning / evening, if CLS goes then that'll be extended to 29 mile. That's nearly another hour added on daily doing dead runs.GNE could perhaps operate it out of Consett. Consett to WA is roughly the same distance via the A68 as from CLS. Consett bait room (similar to old North Shields office) at Chester Le Street with perhaps the 8 also being operated by Consett to make it worthwhile.
Similar the 21 with it's dead runs.
It's easy enough to say to run them from Newcastle in the morning but you might aswell call it a dead run as it won't pick anyone up since no-one wants to go to CLS / Bishop, similar to Newcastle late in an evening. Wouldn't be surprised to see some of the later / early runs disappear.
(01 Nov 2021, 6:57 pm)L469 YVK GNE could perhaps operate it out of Consett. Consett to WA is roughly the same distance via the A68 as from CLS. Consett bait room (similar to old North Shields office) at Chester Le Street with perhaps the 8 also being operated by Consett to make it worthwhile.
Some early morning & evening dead runs could be positioned out/in via the X45/X46/X70/X71/X72 (no X30/X31 due to low bridge) with a changeover at Chester Le Street before / after depending on driver hours.
(01 Nov 2021, 6:57 pm)L469 YVK GNE could perhaps operate it out of Consett. Consett to WA is roughly the same distance via the A68 as from CLS. Consett bait room (similar to old North Shields office) at Chester Le Street with perhaps the 8 also being operated by Consett to make it worthwhile.
Some early morning & evening dead runs could be positioned out/in via the X45/X46/X70/X71/X72 (no X30/X31 due to low bridge) with a changeover at Chester Le Street before / after depending on driver hours.
(01 Nov 2021, 6:59 pm)streetdeckfan Perhaps it could be jointly operated by Consett and Riverside?Dead mileage wise, there wouldn't be much difference between Consett and currently CLS operating it.
(01 Nov 2021, 6:59 pm)streetdeckfan Perhaps it could be jointly operated by Consett and Riverside?Dead mileage wise, there wouldn't be much difference between Consett and currently CLS operating it.
(01 Nov 2021, 7:04 pm)L469 YVK Dead mileage wise, there wouldn't be much difference between Consett and currently CLS operating it.
Don't GNE have the bait room at Stanley still for some changeovers that happen in Stanley? The logistics of an additional bait room in Chester Le Street wouldn't be too difficult.
Not forgetting enhanced BSOG compliant 'X-Lines' vehicles could be used on Sundays too (StreetDeck G2/G3 or E400MMC)
(01 Nov 2021, 7:04 pm)L469 YVK Dead mileage wise, there wouldn't be much difference between Consett and currently CLS operating it.
Don't GNE have the bait room at Stanley still for some changeovers that happen in Stanley? The logistics of an additional bait room in Chester Le Street wouldn't be too difficult.
Not forgetting enhanced BSOG compliant 'X-Lines' vehicles could be used on Sundays too (StreetDeck G2/G3 or E400MMC)
(01 Nov 2021, 9:04 pm)Storx Aye your right about distance not sure I'd want to drive a double decker bus along the A68 via Tow Law in the winter though at 5/6am in the morning. It's like the wild west across there in the snow. Not a place you want a double decker stuck.That's actually a very valid point! Not forgetting getting out of Consett during the snow is bad enough itself!
(01 Nov 2021, 9:04 pm)Storx Aye your right about distance not sure I'd want to drive a double decker bus along the A68 via Tow Law in the winter though at 5/6am in the morning. It's like the wild west across there in the snow. Not a place you want a double decker stuck.That's actually a very valid point! Not forgetting getting out of Consett during the snow is bad enough itself!
(31 Oct 2021, 11:54 pm)streetdeckfan Looking at the document, it looks as though they're planning on getting the BYD ADL Enviro400EVs, since I can't seem to see any other 10.9m EV deckers.
As for the single deckers, they'll probably stick with the Yutongs for fleet standardisation, with the 9m single deckers probably being Solo EVs
(31 Oct 2021, 11:54 pm)streetdeckfan Looking at the document, it looks as though they're planning on getting the BYD ADL Enviro400EVs, since I can't seem to see any other 10.9m EV deckers.
As for the single deckers, they'll probably stick with the Yutongs for fleet standardisation, with the 9m single deckers probably being Solo EVs
(02 Nov 2021, 7:13 am)cainebj It's sort of confirmed in the document that it is E400 EVs they're planning for. They've failed to fully redact the vehicle type on page 19.Managed to completely miss that!
(02 Nov 2021, 7:13 am)cainebj It's sort of confirmed in the document that it is E400 EVs they're planning for. They've failed to fully redact the vehicle type on page 19.Managed to completely miss that!
I’m sure the depot issue is something GNE will sort if they win, they’d see it as a nice problem to have.
The alternative is saying The Angel runs from Chester, that doesn’t have electric charging facilities so let’s not bother bidding.
If the 21 went to Riverside, they could move something like the 6 to Consett, the 8/78 fully to Chester, or maybe even the X5/X15, or maybe move the X9/X10 to Chester meaning all coaches would be together with the NatEx ones or move something to Washington and the 50 to Chester, Nothing is impossible.
(03 Nov 2021, 8:22 pm)Wybus I’m sure the depot issue is something GNE will sort if they win, they’d see it as a nice problem to have.
The alternative is saying The Angel runs from Chester, that doesn’t have electric charging facilities so let’s not bother bidding.
If the 21 went to Riverside, they could move something like the 6 to Consett, the 8/78 fully to Chester, or maybe even the X5/X15, or maybe move the X9/X10 to Chester meaning all coaches would be together with the NatEx ones or move something to Washington and the 50 to Chester, Nothing is impossible.
(03 Nov 2021, 8:22 pm)Wybus I’m sure the depot issue is something GNE will sort if they win, they’d see it as a nice problem to have.
The alternative is saying The Angel runs from Chester, that doesn’t have electric charging facilities so let’s not bother bidding.
If the 21 went to Riverside, they could move something like the 6 to Consett, the 8/78 fully to Chester, or maybe even the X5/X15, or maybe move the X9/X10 to Chester meaning all coaches would be together with the NatEx ones or move something to Washington and the 50 to Chester, Nothing is impossible.
(03 Nov 2021, 8:22 pm)Wybus I’m sure the depot issue is something GNE will sort if they win, they’d see it as a nice problem to have.The 6 moving to Chester Le Street and interworking with the 25 would be the most obvious interworking pattern although there'd be pitfalls such as traffic hotspots on both routes, meaning that should anything kick off around the MetroCentre or Swalwell, passengers on the 25 would lose out.
The alternative is saying The Angel runs from Chester, that doesn’t have electric charging facilities so let’s not bother bidding.
If the 21 went to Riverside, they could move something like the 6 to Consett, the 8/78 fully to Chester, or maybe even the X5/X15, or maybe move the X9/X10 to Chester meaning all coaches would be together with the NatEx ones or move something to Washington and the 50 to Chester, Nothing is impossible.
(03 Nov 2021, 8:22 pm)Wybus I’m sure the depot issue is something GNE will sort if they win, they’d see it as a nice problem to have.The 6 moving to Chester Le Street and interworking with the 25 would be the most obvious interworking pattern although there'd be pitfalls such as traffic hotspots on both routes, meaning that should anything kick off around the MetroCentre or Swalwell, passengers on the 25 would lose out.
The alternative is saying The Angel runs from Chester, that doesn’t have electric charging facilities so let’s not bother bidding.
If the 21 went to Riverside, they could move something like the 6 to Consett, the 8/78 fully to Chester, or maybe even the X5/X15, or maybe move the X9/X10 to Chester meaning all coaches would be together with the NatEx ones or move something to Washington and the 50 to Chester, Nothing is impossible.
(04 Nov 2021, 11:36 pm)L469 YVK The 6 moving to Chester Le Street and interworking with the 25 would be the most obvious interworking pattern although there'd be pitfalls such as traffic hotspots on both routes, meaning that should anything kick off around the MetroCentre or Swalwell, passengers on the 25 would lose out.
Saying that.........if the X30's / X70's interworking pattern proved to become too tight and ended up going standalone (X70/X71/X72 = 7x) & (X30/X31 = 5x), the X30/X31 could be moved to Chester Le Street also taking into account that CLS is closer to Stanley than Consett.
(04 Nov 2021, 11:36 pm)L469 YVK The 6 moving to Chester Le Street and interworking with the 25 would be the most obvious interworking pattern although there'd be pitfalls such as traffic hotspots on both routes, meaning that should anything kick off around the MetroCentre or Swalwell, passengers on the 25 would lose out.
Saying that.........if the X30's / X70's interworking pattern proved to become too tight and ended up going standalone (X70/X71/X72 = 7x) & (X30/X31 = 5x), the X30/X31 could be moved to Chester Le Street also taking into account that CLS is closer to Stanley than Consett.
(05 Nov 2021, 12:48 pm)Jimmi 6 & 25 wouldn't be ideal at all as its practically on the edge of max driving hours before a break must be taken on the runs that extend to Lanchester plus what would the 12 interwork with to avoid having to do staff shuttles up to Blaydon or Winlaton?6 & 25 could have mixed changeovers in Chester Le Street and Stanley.
(05 Nov 2021, 12:48 pm)Jimmi 6 & 25 wouldn't be ideal at all as its practically on the edge of max driving hours before a break must be taken on the runs that extend to Lanchester plus what would the 12 interwork with to avoid having to do staff shuttles up to Blaydon or Winlaton?6 & 25 could have mixed changeovers in Chester Le Street and Stanley.
If Riverside was to take on the 21, CLS could remain operational with some movements.
Route / Depot Changes:
- 21 > Riverside
- 6 > CLS - Interworks with revised 25
- X30/X31 > CLS (X70/X71/X72 remain at Consett & standalone from X30/X31)
Note that Consett have gained the 78 which they didn't previously have.
Service changes:
- 6 - Stanley to Newcastle only. Stanley to Lanchester replaced by revised X31.
- 25 - CLS to Newcastle only*
* Something would need to replace part or all of the Langley Park to CLS section.
- X30 - Extended to Langley Park via South Stanley, Craghead, Edmonsley, Sacriston and Witton Gilbert.
- X31 - 1ph extended to Lanchester from Stanley via current 6 route.
(07 Nov 2021, 9:58 pm)L469 YVK If Riverside was to take on the 21, CLS could remain operational with some movements.You could do a loop
Route / Depot Changes:
- 21 > Riverside
- 6 > CLS - Interworks with revised 25
- X30/X31 > CLS (X70/X71/X72 remain at Consett & standalone from X30/X31)
Note that Consett have gained the 78 which they didn't previously have.
Service changes:
- 6 - Stanley to Newcastle only. Stanley to Lanchester replaced by revised X31.
- 25 - CLS to Newcastle only*
* Something would need to replace part or all of the Langley Park to CLS section.
- X30 - Extended to Langley Park via South Stanley, Craghead, Edmonsley, Sacriston and Witton Gilbert.
- X31 - 1ph extended to Lanchester from Stanley via current 6 route.
(07 Nov 2021, 9:58 pm)L469 YVK If Riverside was to take on the 21, CLS could remain operational with some movements.What that also mean that 309/310/311 would have to move to Riverside.
Route / Depot Changes:
- 21 > Riverside
- 6 > CLS - Interworks with revised 25
- X30/X31 > CLS (X70/X71/X72 remain at Consett & standalone from X30/X31)
Note that Consett have gained the 78 which they didn't previously have.
Service changes:
- 6 - Stanley to Newcastle only. Stanley to Lanchester replaced by revised X31.
- 25 - CLS to Newcastle only*
* Something would need to replace part or all of the Langley Park to CLS section.
- X30 - Extended to Langley Park via South Stanley, Craghead, Edmonsley, Sacriston and Witton Gilbert.
- X31 - 1ph extended to Lanchester from Stanley via current 6 route.
(07 Nov 2021, 9:58 pm)L469 YVK If Riverside was to take on the 21, CLS could remain operational with some movements.You could do a loop
Route / Depot Changes:
- 21 > Riverside
- 6 > CLS - Interworks with revised 25
- X30/X31 > CLS (X70/X71/X72 remain at Consett & standalone from X30/X31)
Note that Consett have gained the 78 which they didn't previously have.
Service changes:
- 6 - Stanley to Newcastle only. Stanley to Lanchester replaced by revised X31.
- 25 - CLS to Newcastle only*
* Something would need to replace part or all of the Langley Park to CLS section.
- X30 - Extended to Langley Park via South Stanley, Craghead, Edmonsley, Sacriston and Witton Gilbert.
- X31 - 1ph extended to Lanchester from Stanley via current 6 route.
(07 Nov 2021, 9:58 pm)L469 YVK If Riverside was to take on the 21, CLS could remain operational with some movements.What that also mean that 309/310/311 would have to move to Riverside.
Route / Depot Changes:
- 21 > Riverside
- 6 > CLS - Interworks with revised 25
- X30/X31 > CLS (X70/X71/X72 remain at Consett & standalone from X30/X31)
Note that Consett have gained the 78 which they didn't previously have.
Service changes:
- 6 - Stanley to Newcastle only. Stanley to Lanchester replaced by revised X31.
- 25 - CLS to Newcastle only*
* Something would need to replace part or all of the Langley Park to CLS section.
- X30 - Extended to Langley Park via South Stanley, Craghead, Edmonsley, Sacriston and Witton Gilbert.
- X31 - 1ph extended to Lanchester from Stanley via current 6 route.
(08 Nov 2021, 9:24 am)Adrian Speculation around, and suggested mass movements of services between depots, has nothing to do with the ZEBRA zero-emission buses scheme... just sayingTechnically does if CLS doesn't have the infrastructure to support EV. Might be worth creating another thread though.
