Seaburn Historic Vehicle Display
Seaburn Historic Vehicle Display
(31 Aug 2021, 11:30 am)omnicity4659 Seeing as I live 35 miles away, I wasn't going to spaff money on fuel or Metro tickets to see if there's 12 or 26 buses there. As it's been mentioned earlier, promoting these events is vital for them to survive otherwise only the die-hard enthusiast who doesn't care about what turns up will attend - no way to run an event.
Replies to my comment on here were the first indication that there were more vehicles, followed by an owner of a bus messaging me saying he was en-route to the event. Too late for me to start my journey from up here!
(31 Aug 2021, 11:30 am)omnicity4659 Seeing as I live 35 miles away, I wasn't going to spaff money on fuel or Metro tickets to see if there's 12 or 26 buses there. As it's been mentioned earlier, promoting these events is vital for them to survive otherwise only the die-hard enthusiast who doesn't care about what turns up will attend - no way to run an event.
Replies to my comment on here were the first indication that there were more vehicles, followed by an owner of a bus messaging me saying he was en-route to the event. Too late for me to start my journey from up here!
(31 Aug 2021, 12:15 pm)stagecoachbusdepot Based on the footfall there yesterday, it didn't look like they need to be too worried about the event not surviving - it was very well attended.
(31 Aug 2021, 12:15 pm)stagecoachbusdepot Based on the footfall there yesterday, it didn't look like they need to be too worried about the event not surviving - it was very well attended.
(31 Aug 2021, 12:32 pm)MurdnunoC It might be useful for the organisers to ascertain why people are attending?
Is it for the cars? The buses? A bit of both? Or because they just happen to be in the area?
A little bit of market research might uncover what the wider public (not just enthusiasts) expect from the event and allow the organisers to structure the event accordingly.
(31 Aug 2021, 12:32 pm)MurdnunoC It might be useful for the organisers to ascertain why people are attending?
Is it for the cars? The buses? A bit of both? Or because they just happen to be in the area?
A little bit of market research might uncover what the wider public (not just enthusiasts) expect from the event and allow the organisers to structure the event accordingly.
(31 Aug 2021, 4:12 pm)stagecoachbusdepot Or they may be quite happy with how it is structured and not especially care why people are attending, just as long as they are doing so. If it ain't broke and all that...
(31 Aug 2021, 4:12 pm)stagecoachbusdepot Or they may be quite happy with how it is structured and not especially care why people are attending, just as long as they are doing so. If it ain't broke and all that...
(31 Aug 2021, 4:12 pm)stagecoachbusdepot Or they may be quite happy with how it is structured and not especially care why people are attending, just as long as they are doing so. If it ain't broke and all that...
(31 Aug 2021, 4:12 pm)stagecoachbusdepot Or they may be quite happy with how it is structured and not especially care why people are attending, just as long as they are doing so. If it ain't broke and all that...
(31 Aug 2021, 4:23 pm)MurdnunoC Nothing wrong with a Nokia 3210 either but there's always room for improvement. Imagine if technology companies had the "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" attitude towards everything.
(31 Aug 2021, 4:27 pm)Adrian Imagine if the first Industrial Revolution didn't happen, all because people around at the time decided "if it ain't broke, don't fix it"...
I think its a valid suggestion to gauge feedback from an event. It's a proactive exercise that most organisations do as a matter of course, and doesn't have to be done done as a negative reaction. At least then you could determine whether the balance is correct, e.g. are more people attending for cars or are more people attending for buses, could there have been something done differently, what did you like most about the event and so on. Simple stuff really and doesn't cost much.
(31 Aug 2021, 4:23 pm)MurdnunoC Nothing wrong with a Nokia 3210 either but there's always room for improvement. Imagine if technology companies had the "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" attitude towards everything.
(31 Aug 2021, 4:27 pm)Adrian Imagine if the first Industrial Revolution didn't happen, all because people around at the time decided "if it ain't broke, don't fix it"...
I think its a valid suggestion to gauge feedback from an event. It's a proactive exercise that most organisations do as a matter of course, and doesn't have to be done done as a negative reaction. At least then you could determine whether the balance is correct, e.g. are more people attending for cars or are more people attending for buses, could there have been something done differently, what did you like most about the event and so on. Simple stuff really and doesn't cost much.
(31 Aug 2021, 8:39 pm)stagecoachbusdepot Could be wrong but I dont think the industrial revolution (or Nokia 3310 development) coincided with a pandemic, when there were probably quite a lot of logistical challenges to overcome just to make the events happen. It's a real shame there's such negativity toward NEBPT on here - personally I think hats off to them for organinsing the rallies they have done in unprecedented times. Regardless, I'm not sure what you would want them to do with knowing e.g. some people like the buses, some people like the cars and quite a lot of people like a bit of both... would you change it to ban buses if most people said they liked the cars more?
(31 Aug 2021, 8:39 pm)stagecoachbusdepot Could be wrong but I dont think the industrial revolution (or Nokia 3310 development) coincided with a pandemic, when there were probably quite a lot of logistical challenges to overcome just to make the events happen. It's a real shame there's such negativity toward NEBPT on here - personally I think hats off to them for organinsing the rallies they have done in unprecedented times. Regardless, I'm not sure what you would want them to do with knowing e.g. some people like the buses, some people like the cars and quite a lot of people like a bit of both... would you change it to ban buses if most people said they liked the cars more?
(31 Aug 2021, 9:22 pm)Adrian There's no negativity from me, but this is a discussion forum and we should be able to constructively discuss anything in the scene. It's a shame that this is always deemed as being negative or 'anti' whatever, when its simply not the case.
Banning buses is just silly. Why would you jump straight to that, from a suggestion that NEBPT should proactively seek feedback? To answer the point though, if the overwhelming feedback was that people turn up for cars, then it would be silly to ignore that and not try and grow the amount of classic cars attending. If people said the same about buses, then likewise; reach out further afield and try and attract some of the Yorkshire groups for example. People might even tell you that they're disappointed GNE and Arriva didn't attend, so attention could be focussed in working with those operators attending. It doesn't have to be about banning anything - there was still a LOT of space unused in the park, and it's daft to dismiss any discussion in trying to make use of that.
(31 Aug 2021, 9:22 pm)Adrian There's no negativity from me, but this is a discussion forum and we should be able to constructively discuss anything in the scene. It's a shame that this is always deemed as being negative or 'anti' whatever, when its simply not the case.
Banning buses is just silly. Why would you jump straight to that, from a suggestion that NEBPT should proactively seek feedback? To answer the point though, if the overwhelming feedback was that people turn up for cars, then it would be silly to ignore that and not try and grow the amount of classic cars attending. If people said the same about buses, then likewise; reach out further afield and try and attract some of the Yorkshire groups for example. People might even tell you that they're disappointed GNE and Arriva didn't attend, so attention could be focussed in working with those operators attending. It doesn't have to be about banning anything - there was still a LOT of space unused in the park, and it's daft to dismiss any discussion in trying to make use of that.
(31 Aug 2021, 8:39 pm)stagecoachbusdepot Could be wrong but I dont think the industrial revolution (or Nokia 3310 development) coincided with a pandemic, when there were probably quite a lot of logistical challenges to overcome just to make the events happen.
(31 Aug 2021, 8:39 pm)stagecoachbusdepot It's a real shame there's such negativity toward NEBPT on here - personally I think hats off to them for organinsing the rallies they have done in unprecedented times. Regardless, I'm not sure what you would want them to do with knowing e.g. some people like the buses, some people like the cars and quite a lot of people like a bit of both... would you change it to ban buses if most people said they liked the cars more?
(31 Aug 2021, 8:39 pm)stagecoachbusdepot Could be wrong but I dont think the industrial revolution (or Nokia 3310 development) coincided with a pandemic, when there were probably quite a lot of logistical challenges to overcome just to make the events happen.
(31 Aug 2021, 8:39 pm)stagecoachbusdepot It's a real shame there's such negativity toward NEBPT on here - personally I think hats off to them for organinsing the rallies they have done in unprecedented times. Regardless, I'm not sure what you would want them to do with knowing e.g. some people like the buses, some people like the cars and quite a lot of people like a bit of both... would you change it to ban buses if most people said they liked the cars more?
(31 Aug 2021, 10:01 pm)MurdnunoC That's not how you argued the point before where you decided to opt for a more simplistic "if it's not broke, don't fix it" narrative to dismiss why the organisers of this rally shouldn't attempt to progress this (and other rallies) into a bigger event, which in turn, might generate more footfall and revenue.
(31 Aug 2021, 10:01 pm)MurdnunoC That's not how you argued the point before where you decided to opt for a more simplistic "if it's not broke, don't fix it" narrative to dismiss why the organisers of this rally shouldn't attempt to progress this (and other rallies) into a bigger event, which in turn, might generate more footfall and revenue.
(31 Aug 2021, 10:05 pm)stagecoachbusdepot Correct. Because noone had mentioned the industrial revolution or Nokias at that point.
(31 Aug 2021, 10:05 pm)stagecoachbusdepot Correct. Because noone had mentioned the industrial revolution or Nokias at that point.
We have to give them props especially for the Metrocentre rally. Was talking to one of the staff members at Whitley Bay and he said it took quite a bit of talking with the new people who own the Metrocentre to have the event there
I just hope this isn't an issue for next year's event there as there was back in 2017 where it was moved out of the Metrocentre
Granted we have to give them a thanks. The North East has what a total of 7 rallys
5 by the nebpt (Metrocentre, Durham, Whitley Bay, Bishop Auckland & Seaburn)
1 by the 500 group at Middlesbrough & 1 by the Aycliffe at Shildon
More of the events are the Festival of Transport which if I remember correctly was now gonna be held by the Northern National Restoration Group somewhere in Durham
(31 Aug 2021, 9:57 pm)stagecoachbusdepot Not sure why you need feedback (which you could predict from the outset along the lines I suggested) to know seeking to fill the field up a bit more would be a good thing. As you say there was a decent amount of unused space so why not try to attract more cars AND buses (and fire engines etc). I am sure the organisers did try to fill it but suspect there will have been all kinds of impacts (weather, pandemic, shortish notice) but knowing people would like more buses, cars, boats and fire engines wouldn't make them any more likely to appear. My original point however was more around the fact the rally seemed to be a great success in terms of footfall and general public response and its survival did not appear to be at risk as was suggested...The field is usually very full - even at the event in 2019 with all if 3 buses, it was full. I think we can only blame the fact that a lot of people are either cautious or unable to attend for the empty space.
(31 Aug 2021, 9:57 pm)stagecoachbusdepot Not sure why you need feedback (which you could predict from the outset along the lines I suggested) to know seeking to fill the field up a bit more would be a good thing. As you say there was a decent amount of unused space so why not try to attract more cars AND buses (and fire engines etc). I am sure the organisers did try to fill it but suspect there will have been all kinds of impacts (weather, pandemic, shortish notice) but knowing people would like more buses, cars, boats and fire engines wouldn't make them any more likely to appear. My original point however was more around the fact the rally seemed to be a great success in terms of footfall and general public response and its survival did not appear to be at risk as was suggested...The field is usually very full - even at the event in 2019 with all if 3 buses, it was full. I think we can only blame the fact that a lot of people are either cautious or unable to attend for the empty space.
(31 Aug 2021, 9:57 pm)stagecoachbusdepot Not sure why you need feedback (which you could predict from the outset along the lines I suggested) to know seeking to fill the field up a bit more would be a good thing. As you say there was a decent amount of unused space so why not try to attract more cars AND buses (and fire engines etc). I am sure the organisers did try to fill it but suspect there will have been all kinds of impacts (weather, pandemic, shortish notice) but knowing people would like more buses, cars, boats and fire engines wouldn't make them any more likely to appear. My original point however was more around the fact the rally seemed to be a great success in terms of footfall and general public response and its survival did not appear to be at risk as was suggested...
(31 Aug 2021, 9:57 pm)stagecoachbusdepot Not sure why you need feedback (which you could predict from the outset along the lines I suggested) to know seeking to fill the field up a bit more would be a good thing. As you say there was a decent amount of unused space so why not try to attract more cars AND buses (and fire engines etc). I am sure the organisers did try to fill it but suspect there will have been all kinds of impacts (weather, pandemic, shortish notice) but knowing people would like more buses, cars, boats and fire engines wouldn't make them any more likely to appear. My original point however was more around the fact the rally seemed to be a great success in terms of footfall and general public response and its survival did not appear to be at risk as was suggested...
(01 Sep 2021, 10:15 pm)BusLoverMum The field is usually very full - even at the event in 2019 with all if 3 buses, it was full. I think we can only blame the fact that a lot of people are either cautious or unable to attend for the empty space.
And I will pick up on the number of rallies, too. Yes there are bigger rallies in other parts of the country that people feel it worth travelling to. In the space of 10(?) weeks, I have attended 5, all within 20 miles of my home. I've not even attended steam fairs which are attended by lots of vintage vehicles, which have also taken place nearby.
Where the bigger, better publicised events take place, are they one of many or are they pretty unique within their locality?
(01 Sep 2021, 10:15 pm)BusLoverMum The field is usually very full - even at the event in 2019 with all if 3 buses, it was full. I think we can only blame the fact that a lot of people are either cautious or unable to attend for the empty space.
And I will pick up on the number of rallies, too. Yes there are bigger rallies in other parts of the country that people feel it worth travelling to. In the space of 10(?) weeks, I have attended 5, all within 20 miles of my home. I've not even attended steam fairs which are attended by lots of vintage vehicles, which have also taken place nearby.
Where the bigger, better publicised events take place, are they one of many or are they pretty unique within their locality?
The fact is certain rallys get a change and it makes the rally smaller
Whitley Bay moved onto the links and the amount of buses turned up were cut in half. Your lucky to get more than 10
Durham changed so they can park them better so tbh I think Durham is better than before
Metrocentre has always been a decent size for some time but there's the off season where its smaller
Seaburn it mainly depends what buses are free on the day
Plus Seaburn isn't really a bus rally. It says it in the name
Historic Vehicle Display
Aycliffe Shildon Rally is really small but they don't advertise it much
500 group is only massively because a lot more people know about it and the 500 group advertise it more than the nebpt do (in my opinion)
(02 Sep 2021, 9:39 am)MurdnunoC however the 500 Group Teesside Running Day is, by leaps and bounds, the one that comes across as more organised which results in a more enjoyable experience - at least for me anyway. Not sure whether the 500 Group hold supplementary rallies elsewhere around the Teesside/Cleveland/North Yorkshire area (I'm sure Kuyoyo will correct me if they do), but I presume the reason why the Teesside Running Day delivers is because the organisers have a year to plan timetables, organise volunteers, liaise with preservationists, prepare programmes and whatever else needs doing.
(02 Sep 2021, 9:39 am)MurdnunoC however the 500 Group Teesside Running Day is, by leaps and bounds, the one that comes across as more organised which results in a more enjoyable experience - at least for me anyway. Not sure whether the 500 Group hold supplementary rallies elsewhere around the Teesside/Cleveland/North Yorkshire area (I'm sure Kuyoyo will correct me if they do), but I presume the reason why the Teesside Running Day delivers is because the organisers have a year to plan timetables, organise volunteers, liaise with preservationists, prepare programmes and whatever else needs doing.
(02 Sep 2021, 10:04 am)Train8261 The fact is certain rallys get a change and it makes the rally smaller
Whitley Bay moved onto the links and the amount of buses turned up were cut in half. Your lucky to get more than 10
(02 Sep 2021, 10:04 am)Train8261 Aycliffe Shildon Rally is really small but they don't advertise it much
(02 Sep 2021, 10:04 am)Train8261 500 group is only massively because a lot more people know about it and the 500 group advertise it more than the nebpt do (in my opinion)
(02 Sep 2021, 10:04 am)Train8261 The fact is certain rallys get a change and it makes the rally smaller
Whitley Bay moved onto the links and the amount of buses turned up were cut in half. Your lucky to get more than 10
(02 Sep 2021, 10:04 am)Train8261 Aycliffe Shildon Rally is really small but they don't advertise it much
(02 Sep 2021, 10:04 am)Train8261 500 group is only massively because a lot more people know about it and the 500 group advertise it more than the nebpt do (in my opinion)
(02 Sep 2021, 10:04 am)Train8261 The fact is certain rallys get a change and it makes the rally smallerI'll point out that regarding Whitley Bay, the council forced the change and then banned busses from being on the grass. Given the covid situation what there was was fine, bar 6101 which passes there everyday so GNE could have been a bit more imaginative..
Whitley Bay moved onto the links and the amount of buses turned up were cut in half. Your lucky to get more than 10
Durham changed so they can park them better so tbh I think Durham is better than before
Metrocentre has always been a decent size for some time but there's the off season where its smaller
Seaburn it mainly depends what buses are free on the day
Plus Seaburn isn't really a bus rally. It says it in the name
Historic Vehicle Display
Aycliffe Shildon Rally is really small but they don't advertise it much
500 group is only massively because a lot more people know about it and the 500 group advertise it more than the nebpt do (in my opinion)
(02 Sep 2021, 10:04 am)Train8261 The fact is certain rallys get a change and it makes the rally smallerI'll point out that regarding Whitley Bay, the council forced the change and then banned busses from being on the grass. Given the covid situation what there was was fine, bar 6101 which passes there everyday so GNE could have been a bit more imaginative..
Whitley Bay moved onto the links and the amount of buses turned up were cut in half. Your lucky to get more than 10
Durham changed so they can park them better so tbh I think Durham is better than before
Metrocentre has always been a decent size for some time but there's the off season where its smaller
Seaburn it mainly depends what buses are free on the day
Plus Seaburn isn't really a bus rally. It says it in the name
Historic Vehicle Display
Aycliffe Shildon Rally is really small but they don't advertise it much
500 group is only massively because a lot more people know about it and the 500 group advertise it more than the nebpt do (in my opinion)
All I can say is, I have enjoyed all the local rallies this year bearing in mind the dreadful 18 months we have all suffered. The people who entered vehicles have done well to get their vehicles to the rallies and the organisers have probably had a lot more rules to observe compared to previously.