Stagecoach & National Express merger
Stagecoach & National Express merger
Misheard it. It's apparently National Express and Stagecoach
https://www.cityam.com/national-express-...tagecoach/
(21 Sep 2021, 6:48 am)tcts24 Misheard it. It's apparently National Express and Stagecoach
https://www.cityam.com/national-express-...tagecoach/
(21 Sep 2021, 6:48 am)tcts24 Misheard it. It's apparently National Express and Stagecoach
https://www.cityam.com/national-express-...tagecoach/
(21 Sep 2021, 6:59 am)Storx Can't see that going down well with the competition commissioner as they won't have any interest in the local routes. It's to get arid of their biggest competitor (Megabus) imo.
(21 Sep 2021, 6:59 am)Storx Can't see that going down well with the competition commissioner as they won't have any interest in the local routes. It's to get arid of their biggest competitor (Megabus) imo.
(21 Sep 2021, 6:59 am)Storx Can't see that going down well with the competition commissioner as they won't have any interest in the local routes. It's to get arid of their biggest competitor (Megabus) imo.
(21 Sep 2021, 7:18 am)54APhotography A very predictable scenario, Stagecoach take NatEx, Megabus can then raise it's prices and still be cheaper than Nat Ex fares over similar routes. Monopolies would have to come in on this, but with this regime, Stagecoach can just go to the DfT and get it quashed with a donation to the Tories...
(21 Sep 2021, 6:59 am)Storx Can't see that going down well with the competition commissioner as they won't have any interest in the local routes. It's to get arid of their biggest competitor (Megabus) imo.
(21 Sep 2021, 7:18 am)54APhotography A very predictable scenario, Stagecoach take NatEx, Megabus can then raise it's prices and still be cheaper than Nat Ex fares over similar routes. Monopolies would have to come in on this, but with this regime, Stagecoach can just go to the DfT and get it quashed with a donation to the Tories...
(21 Sep 2021, 7:47 am)Andreos1 Whilst it's early days, I do think this is a major factor or reasoning behind the deal.Surprised that Stagecoach would enter into a merger as the smaller shareholder, Megabus has a small percentage of non-stagecoach owned vehicles, whereas National Express has none. Stagecoach do however have some coaches with National Express. Be interesting to see how this plays out.
Particularly with the likes of flixbus entering the market.
I can also see it being the end of Nat Ex routes being operated by some of the other major players and that work being carried out by Stagecoach. As an example, North East based Nat Ex routes would be stabled and operated out of Walkergate should this deal come off.
This is The Guardians take it on it. https://www.theguardian.com/business/202...us-company
It appears to be the other way around. Nat Ex would be the biggest shareholder and it seems to be them leading the bid.
(21 Sep 2021, 7:47 am)Andreos1 Whilst it's early days, I do think this is a major factor or reasoning behind the deal.Surprised that Stagecoach would enter into a merger as the smaller shareholder, Megabus has a small percentage of non-stagecoach owned vehicles, whereas National Express has none. Stagecoach do however have some coaches with National Express. Be interesting to see how this plays out.
Particularly with the likes of flixbus entering the market.
I can also see it being the end of Nat Ex routes being operated by some of the other major players and that work being carried out by Stagecoach. As an example, North East based Nat Ex routes would be stabled and operated out of Walkergate should this deal come off.
This is The Guardians take it on it. https://www.theguardian.com/business/202...us-company
It appears to be the other way around. Nat Ex would be the biggest shareholder and it seems to be them leading the bid.
How would this merger effect Go north east and other operators around the UK who run Nat Ex services, would they still carry on or would they all be stripped of contracts and all done in house by Nat Ex/Stagecoach, if that happens a mass exodus from GNE to Stagecoach would probably happen or the drivers would move over with the migration of services
(21 Sep 2021, 8:01 am)N1cholas How would this merger effect Go north east and other operators around the UK who run Nat Ex services, would they still carry on or would they all be stripped of contracts and all done in house by Nat Ex/Stagecoach, if that happens a mass exodus from GNE to Stagecoach would probably happen or the drivers would move over with the migration of servicesNobody knows, but when NX bought a load of coach operators just before covid, they served notice on some franchise operators in those area shortly after. Ironically one of those was Yellow Buses of Bournemouth, which has since taken on Megabus work to replace it!
(21 Sep 2021, 8:01 am)N1cholas How would this merger effect Go north east and other operators around the UK who run Nat Ex services, would they still carry on or would they all be stripped of contracts and all done in house by Nat Ex/Stagecoach, if that happens a mass exodus from GNE to Stagecoach would probably happen or the drivers would move over with the migration of servicesNobody knows, but when NX bought a load of coach operators just before covid, they served notice on some franchise operators in those area shortly after. Ironically one of those was Yellow Buses of Bournemouth, which has since taken on Megabus work to replace it!
Maybe Stagecoach could sell its UK operations to Flix like it did in Europe, thus satisfying any competition issues for the long distance network.
Of course, National Express has just sold Dundee to McGills which would only be the major bit of competition that I think would have been an issue in the local markets.
(21 Sep 2021, 11:35 am)citaro5284 Maybe Stagecoach could sell its UK operations to Flix like it did in Europe, thus satisfying any competition issues for the long distance network.
Of course, National Express has just sold Dundee to McGills which would only be the major bit of competition that I think would have been an issue in the local markets.
(21 Sep 2021, 11:35 am)citaro5284 Maybe Stagecoach could sell its UK operations to Flix like it did in Europe, thus satisfying any competition issues for the long distance network.
Of course, National Express has just sold Dundee to McGills which would only be the major bit of competition that I think would have been an issue in the local markets.
(21 Sep 2021, 11:35 am)citaro5284 Maybe Stagecoach could sell its UK operations to Flix like it did in Europe, thus satisfying any competition issues for the long distance network.Few routes around the Coventry, Nuneaton and Leamington Spa area, but not insurmountable. Cheers.
Of course, National Express has just sold Dundee to McGills which would only be the major bit of competition that I think would have been an issue in the local markets.
(21 Sep 2021, 11:35 am)citaro5284 Maybe Stagecoach could sell its UK operations to Flix like it did in Europe, thus satisfying any competition issues for the long distance network.Few routes around the Coventry, Nuneaton and Leamington Spa area, but not insurmountable. Cheers.
Of course, National Express has just sold Dundee to McGills which would only be the major bit of competition that I think would have been an issue in the local markets.
(21 Sep 2021, 6:59 am)Storx Can't see that going down well with the competition commissioner as they won't have any interest in the local routes. It's to get arid of their biggest competitor (Megabus) imo.
(21 Sep 2021, 6:59 am)Storx Can't see that going down well with the competition commissioner as they won't have any interest in the local routes. It's to get arid of their biggest competitor (Megabus) imo.
(21 Sep 2021, 11:57 am)Chris 1 I read a comment on another forum, that I tend to agree with - if they've announced it thus far, and they're already deciding who gets the top jobs then they must have a pretty good idea that there won't be too much trouble with the competition authorities.
(21 Sep 2021, 11:57 am)Chris 1 I read a comment on another forum, that I tend to agree with - if they've announced it thus far, and they're already deciding who gets the top jobs then they must have a pretty good idea that there won't be too much trouble with the competition authorities.
(21 Sep 2021, 6:59 am)Storx Can't see that going down well with the competition commissioner as they won't have any interest in the local routes. It's to get arid of their biggest competitor (Megabus) imo.
(21 Sep 2021, 3:13 pm)tcts24 Would if I knew how. Probably only done at moderator level.
(21 Sep 2021, 6:59 am)Storx Can't see that going down well with the competition commissioner as they won't have any interest in the local routes. It's to get arid of their biggest competitor (Megabus) imo.
(21 Sep 2021, 3:13 pm)tcts24 Would if I knew how. Probably only done at moderator level.
It going to be interesting. If this goes though locally I think the following would happen.
Go North East would almost certainly lose out on the coaching side as the new National express/Stagecoach company would likely keep everything in house. I could see one of the Newcastle depots and Sunderland sharing the work up here
I think Hartlepool and Shields depots/network would very likely be sold off or closed with Go North East most likely to buy them. If they don’t sell and close them then Hartlepool would likely lose services and merge with the Teesside network and Shields doing similar with the Sunderland network
(21 Sep 2021, 9:29 pm)col87 It going to be interesting. If this goes though locally I think the following would happen.
Go North East would almost certainly lose out on the coaching side as the new National express/Stagecoach company would likely keep everything in house. I could see one of the Newcastle depots and Sunderland sharing the work up here
I think Hartlepool and Shields depots/network would very likely be sold off or closed with Go North East most likely to buy them. If they don’t sell and close them then Hartlepool would likely lose services and merge with the Teesside network and Shields doing similar with the Sunderland network
(21 Sep 2021, 9:29 pm)col87 It going to be interesting. If this goes though locally I think the following would happen.
Go North East would almost certainly lose out on the coaching side as the new National express/Stagecoach company would likely keep everything in house. I could see one of the Newcastle depots and Sunderland sharing the work up here
I think Hartlepool and Shields depots/network would very likely be sold off or closed with Go North East most likely to buy them. If they don’t sell and close them then Hartlepool would likely lose services and merge with the Teesside network and Shields doing similar with the Sunderland network
(21 Sep 2021, 3:42 pm)Adrian I think the coaching operation would be called in by the CMA, as I don't think the FlixBus operation is significant enough to be deemed a major player yet.
The bus operation on the other hand, I don't think would present a problem as far as competition goes. I think there's only parts of the West Midlands with competition now, at least since Xplore Dundee was sold on to McGill's.
Done - its changed now.
(21 Sep 2021, 3:42 pm)Adrian I think the coaching operation would be called in by the CMA, as I don't think the FlixBus operation is significant enough to be deemed a major player yet.
The bus operation on the other hand, I don't think would present a problem as far as competition goes. I think there's only parts of the West Midlands with competition now, at least since Xplore Dundee was sold on to McGill's.
Done - its changed now.