North East BSIP: £804 Million Pound Plan For North East Buses
North East BSIP: £804 Million Pound Plan For North East Buses
(20 Aug 2022, 5:27 am)Dan Unlike CBSSG, the support from BRG wasn’t enough to bring Go North East to breakeven point - they’re still a loss-making business.
The cuts from Go North East would have happened regardless of BRG being there or not.
If I was a betting man, I’d say that cuts from other operators in this region will still go ahead at the end of October too - especially Arriva for any cuts linked to Jesmond, now the depot itself is linked to those cuts. The overheads saving from closing a depot is likely to be a lot higher than the revenue income from BRG.
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(20 Aug 2022, 5:27 am)Dan Unlike CBSSG, the support from BRG wasn’t enough to bring Go North East to breakeven point - they’re still a loss-making business.
The cuts from Go North East would have happened regardless of BRG being there or not.
If I was a betting man, I’d say that cuts from other operators in this region will still go ahead at the end of October too - especially Arriva for any cuts linked to Jesmond, now the depot itself is linked to those cuts. The overheads saving from closing a depot is likely to be a lot higher than the revenue income from BRG.
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(19 Aug 2022, 7:35 pm)N1cholas I admire the governments latest funding but if the driver shortage does not improve and there is not the drivers to operate services without cancellations more service cuts will happen
(20 Aug 2022, 8:47 am)Drifter60 Time will tell I suppose but it certainly does appear at the moment, GNE bolted a bit early less than a year ago these service changes were implement the key benefits as follows (taken from GNE’s website): rev
- East Gateshead frequency revisions, meaning improved combined frequencies on common corridors with services running every 7/8 minutes between Newcastle and Deckham, Leam Lane and Heworth, and on Old Durham Road.
- New evening and Sunday service 8.
- Service 265 increased from every 60 minutes to every 30 minutes providing much improved east-west movement across Durham, and new late evening and Sunday journeys.
- Service X1 extended to Dalton Park and Peterlee, providing new connections.
- Service 2A diverted via Leechmere to improve access to Asda.
- Reinstatement of cross Jarrow on 26, giving more frequent connections from Hebburn to South Tyneside Hospital.
- Introduction of new cross-Durham links by extending service 21 to Brandon, giving direct connections to key sites such as University Hospital, New College and Arnison Centre.
- Extension of service 47 to Consett gives a new Sunday service on V9 and introduces direct service to Metrocentre from Medomsley and Leadgate.
- Improved frequency of service to Gateshead Quays throughout the day and week with service 53/54, including more regular evening service.
- Simpler, easier to understand Washington local network.
A year on, many of those changes have been reversed or cut back - a couple remain in place (or have continued at the expense of other services) but it’s hardly a shining light. Yes the company has to make money but it’s a fine line as were already at the point when buses aren’t taking people were they need to be.
(19 Aug 2022, 7:35 pm)N1cholas I admire the governments latest funding but if the driver shortage does not improve and there is not the drivers to operate services without cancellations more service cuts will happen
(20 Aug 2022, 8:47 am)Drifter60 Time will tell I suppose but it certainly does appear at the moment, GNE bolted a bit early less than a year ago these service changes were implement the key benefits as follows (taken from GNE’s website): rev
- East Gateshead frequency revisions, meaning improved combined frequencies on common corridors with services running every 7/8 minutes between Newcastle and Deckham, Leam Lane and Heworth, and on Old Durham Road.
- New evening and Sunday service 8.
- Service 265 increased from every 60 minutes to every 30 minutes providing much improved east-west movement across Durham, and new late evening and Sunday journeys.
- Service X1 extended to Dalton Park and Peterlee, providing new connections.
- Service 2A diverted via Leechmere to improve access to Asda.
- Reinstatement of cross Jarrow on 26, giving more frequent connections from Hebburn to South Tyneside Hospital.
- Introduction of new cross-Durham links by extending service 21 to Brandon, giving direct connections to key sites such as University Hospital, New College and Arnison Centre.
- Extension of service 47 to Consett gives a new Sunday service on V9 and introduces direct service to Metrocentre from Medomsley and Leadgate.
- Improved frequency of service to Gateshead Quays throughout the day and week with service 53/54, including more regular evening service.
- Simpler, easier to understand Washington local network.
A year on, many of those changes have been reversed or cut back - a couple remain in place (or have continued at the expense of other services) but it’s hardly a shining light. Yes the company has to make money but it’s a fine line as were already at the point when buses aren’t taking people were they need to be.
(20 Aug 2022, 7:40 pm)Adrian The funding is of course welcome, but again it is putting a sticking plaster over a gaping wound. This problem isn't going to go away when this lot of funding runs out, we'll be back to square one again lobbying for it to continue and so on.16:55, what about people who finish at 5
The system is completely broken. The bus recovery grant isn't protecting services, because those services are getting cut regardless, so it's simply slowing down the rate of cuts. Might as well be urinating in the direction of the wind.
The driving shortage is of course a massive concern. Whilst I think there's a big question mark over FTE shortage vs long-term sick, operators do still appear to be struggling to attract people into the industry. It's not surprising either, when the rates of pay really aren't competitive with similar jobs. Amazon van drivers are apparently on £13-£17, for what is likely a much easier life with better shifts.
There'll of course be the argument that operators can't afford to pay decent wages and so on, but one of the large operators is paying their CEO around £8,000 a month in relocation allowances, so the money is there when they want to spend it...
I'll not go over old arguments, but it makes you wonder where the business plan was to extend some of those routes (e.g. X1 and 8) in the first place.
The last 8 Chester-le-Street to Washington and Sunderland was 21.49 pre-changes... it's now at 16.55!
(20 Aug 2022, 7:40 pm)Adrian The funding is of course welcome, but again it is putting a sticking plaster over a gaping wound. This problem isn't going to go away when this lot of funding runs out, we'll be back to square one again lobbying for it to continue and so on.16:55, what about people who finish at 5
The system is completely broken. The bus recovery grant isn't protecting services, because those services are getting cut regardless, so it's simply slowing down the rate of cuts. Might as well be urinating in the direction of the wind.
The driving shortage is of course a massive concern. Whilst I think there's a big question mark over FTE shortage vs long-term sick, operators do still appear to be struggling to attract people into the industry. It's not surprising either, when the rates of pay really aren't competitive with similar jobs. Amazon van drivers are apparently on £13-£17, for what is likely a much easier life with better shifts.
There'll of course be the argument that operators can't afford to pay decent wages and so on, but one of the large operators is paying their CEO around £8,000 a month in relocation allowances, so the money is there when they want to spend it...
I'll not go over old arguments, but it makes you wonder where the business plan was to extend some of those routes (e.g. X1 and 8) in the first place.
The last 8 Chester-le-Street to Washington and Sunderland was 21.49 pre-changes... it's now at 16.55!
(20 Aug 2022, 8:56 pm)Unber43 16:55, what about people who finish at 5
(20 Aug 2022, 7:40 pm)Adrian The last 8 Chester-le-Street to Washington and Sunderland was 21.49 pre-changes... it's now at 16.55!
(20 Aug 2022, 7:40 pm)Adrian The last 8 Chester-le-Street to Washington and Sunderland was 21.49 pre-changes... it's now at 16.55!
The big issue for me is that in the last, cash has been squandered. We can accept public transport will never make a profit but when money has been given out, I don’t trust it will be spent well.
Can you look at any of our leaders, companies, transport bodies and point to one positive thing they’ve done in recent memory to support public transport outside of grandstanding and Willy waving? One point where they haven’t squandered money. All the successful transport projects of recent years have been centrally planned and funded (A1, A19) Even the metro extension to Sunderland has been a disaster
Our local leaders et all are utterly insipid and if I’m a very senior civil servant under pressure to make minimal funding available…Gannon, Kemp and Hughes are at the very very very bottom of my list.
(21 Aug 2022, 9:21 am)F114TML How?
(21 Aug 2022, 9:21 am)F114TML How?
(21 Aug 2022, 10:56 am)Ambassador It runs at a huge huge loss, hasn’t grown passenger numbers above what Northern had with a better service and caused the frequency elsewhere to drop (hence the need for the new metro flow project)
I shall dig out the FOI figures that were bouncing around last year
(21 Aug 2022, 10:56 am)Ambassador It runs at a huge huge loss, hasn’t grown passenger numbers above what Northern had with a better service and caused the frequency elsewhere to drop (hence the need for the new metro flow project)
I shall dig out the FOI figures that were bouncing around last year
(21 Aug 2022, 10:56 am)Ambassador It runs at a huge huge loss, hasn’t grown passenger numbers above what Northern had with a better service and caused the frequency elsewhere to drop (hence the need for the new metro flow project)
I shall dig out the FOI figures that were bouncing around last year
(21 Aug 2022, 10:56 am)Ambassador It runs at a huge huge loss, hasn’t grown passenger numbers above what Northern had with a better service and caused the frequency elsewhere to drop (hence the need for the new metro flow project)
I shall dig out the FOI figures that were bouncing around last year
(04 Apr 2022, 3:57 pm)Adrian "Tobyn Hughes, Managing Director, Transport North East, said: “This announcement is great news for the region. The government has clearly recognised how important bus and Metro services are to the North East."What is actually happening with all of this money, has their been any plans annouced?
Really?We've been given around 20% of what we stated is required, yet Tobyn is still celebrating it as some great recognition of the North East. It's no wonder we politically struggle to get transport investment in the region, when we're always asking for a golden ticket, but happy to take a kick up the backside instead.
"This has been recognised by a funding award of £163.5 million over three years. This breaks down as £73,758,353 capital to prioritise buses on busy routes, and £89,762,819 revenue to support improved fares and services for local people – one of the highest allocations in the country."
The original split in the plan was -
£495.6 million of this funding is capital, to fund new bus priority infrastructure, waiting facilities, new buses, and new ITS equipment. (61.6%)
£123.6 million of this funding is revenue support, to subsidise the continuation of existing services in light of Covid-related financial shortfalls. (15.4%)
£184.7 million of this funding is revenue support to support the introduction of lower fares and expanded route networks (23.0%)
With the split Transport North East are confirming today, that's around 45% on infrastructure (such as bus priority) and 55% on subsidising bus services, with the aim of improving the networks and delivering lower fares. Given that is over three years, I'm not convinced the money will go very far at all...
(04 Apr 2022, 3:57 pm)Adrian "Tobyn Hughes, Managing Director, Transport North East, said: “This announcement is great news for the region. The government has clearly recognised how important bus and Metro services are to the North East."What is actually happening with all of this money, has their been any plans annouced?
Really?
"This has been recognised by a funding award of £163.5 million over three years. This breaks down as £73,758,353 capital to prioritise buses on busy routes, and £89,762,819 revenue to support improved fares and services for local people – one of the highest allocations in the country."
The original split in the plan was -
£495.6 million of this funding is capital, to fund new bus priority infrastructure, waiting facilities, new buses, and new ITS equipment. (61.6%)
£123.6 million of this funding is revenue support, to subsidise the continuation of existing services in light of Covid-related financial shortfalls. (15.4%)
£184.7 million of this funding is revenue support to support the introduction of lower fares and expanded route networks (23.0%)
With the split Transport North East are confirming today, that's around 45% on infrastructure (such as bus priority) and 55% on subsidising bus services, with the aim of improving the networks and delivering lower fares. Given that is over three years, I'm not convinced the money will go very far at all...
(05 Sep 2022, 8:52 pm)Unber43 What is actually happening with all of this money, has their been any plans annouced?
(05 Sep 2022, 8:52 pm)Unber43 What is actually happening with all of this money, has their been any plans annouced?
(05 Sep 2022, 9:00 pm)Adrian They'll be drawing up a draft Enhanced Partnership plan based on the funding award. Likely that the DfT will have to then approve it.Thanks for the info!
There's a Joint Transport Committee at Gateshead Civic next Tuesday afternoon, so the papers for that should be out tomorrow and we'll see if there's anything on the agenda. Also worth noting that these meetings can be attended by anyone.
(05 Sep 2022, 9:00 pm)Adrian They'll be drawing up a draft Enhanced Partnership plan based on the funding award. Likely that the DfT will have to then approve it.Thanks for the info!
There's a Joint Transport Committee at Gateshead Civic next Tuesday afternoon, so the papers for that should be out tomorrow and we'll see if there's anything on the agenda. Also worth noting that these meetings can be attended by anyone.
(09 Nov 2022, 6:05 pm)Unber43 Not sure whether it would fit in here, however there should be a dedicated bus lane from Metrocentre to Newcastle, Gateshead to Newcastle, Coast Road to Newcastle, Regent Centre to Newcastle.
It would massively keep delays down.
(09 Nov 2022, 6:05 pm)Unber43 Not sure whether it would fit in here, however there should be a dedicated bus lane from Metrocentre to Newcastle, Gateshead to Newcastle, Coast Road to Newcastle, Regent Centre to Newcastle.
It would massively keep delays down.
(09 Nov 2022, 6:05 pm)Unber43 Not sure whether it would fit in here, however there should be a dedicated bus lane from Metrocentre to Newcastle, Gateshead to Newcastle, Coast Road to Newcastle, Regent Centre to Newcastle.
It would massively keep delays down.
(09 Nov 2022, 6:05 pm)Unber43 Not sure whether it would fit in here, however there should be a dedicated bus lane from Metrocentre to Newcastle, Gateshead to Newcastle, Coast Road to Newcastle, Regent Centre to Newcastle.
It would massively keep delays down.
An announcement from DCC:
https://www.durham.gov.uk/article/28927/...passengers
A report to the forthcoming Cabinet meeting sets out how in County Durham the BSIP includes plans for bus priority infrastructure at nine locations, to improve journey times and reliability. An initial three of these will be progressed at Coundon Gate roundabout; Durham Road/Whitworth Road in Spennymoor; and the B2688/A167 at Croxdale.Hopefully these would help the X21, aswell I think the roundabout from the A690/Gilesgate would need some bus priority features.
Also include in the plan are improvements to bus stations at Consett, Peterlee & Stanley including new CCTV and enhanced lighting, in the interests of saftey and accessibility. Two Hundred and fifty replacement bus shelters are also banned across the countyMust needed improvement, I would say a new one for Consett if the services weren't so badly cut since Xlines StreetDecks/E400s were introduced.
BSIP would allow the introduction of good value fares including a £1 single fare and £3 regionwide multi-modal day ticket for under 22s. A CountyI feel like this is something which just County Durham won't work, it must be a joined operation with Tyne & Wear, Teeside and possibly Northumberland, as that would make it even better for passengers especially services which start in County Durham and go through Tyne & Wear to finish in County Durham, and services which start in county durham but end in Tyne and Wear as you could get the X21 from West Aukland to Newcastle for £1, however on the way back pay £2 or smth like that so I feel like there must be some cooperation especially with T&W & DCC.
Durham multi-operator day ticket would be available for £4; with a two zone multi-modal ticket for £6.50; and a regionwide multi-modal ticket for £6.80.
The report sets out details of improvements to bus services across the county, including increased Sunday services, replacement of commercial routes deemed no longer viable by operators, and routes that are designed to make it easier for people to get to work. Furthermore we are looking to enhance capacity of our Link2 demand response service.This is something which DCC should do independent, possibly put out surveys or go around houses and ask them about what buses services they like, West Auckland has appalling service to newcastle which needs to be changed. I feel like this has great potential especially with areas such as Consent & Peterlee which have had services slashed, like Dalton Park & Seaham too.
A report to the forthcoming Cabinet meeting sets out how in County Durham the BSIP includes plans for bus priority infrastructure at nine locations, to improve journey times and reliability. An initial three of these will be progressed at Coundon Gate roundabout; Durham Road/Whitworth Road in Spennymoor; and the B2688/A167 at Croxdale.Hopefully these would help the X21, aswell I think the roundabout from the A690/Gilesgate would need some bus priority features.
Also include in the plan are improvements to bus stations at Consett, Peterlee & Stanley including new CCTV and enhanced lighting, in the interests of saftey and accessibility. Two Hundred and fifty replacement bus shelters are also banned across the countyMust needed improvement, I would say a new one for Consett if the services weren't so badly cut since Xlines StreetDecks/E400s were introduced.
BSIP would allow the introduction of good value fares including a £1 single fare and £3 regionwide multi-modal day ticket for under 22s. A CountyI feel like this is something which just County Durham won't work, it must be a joined operation with Tyne & Wear, Teeside and possibly Northumberland, as that would make it even better for passengers especially services which start in County Durham and go through Tyne & Wear to finish in County Durham, and services which start in county durham but end in Tyne and Wear as you could get the X21 from West Aukland to Newcastle for £1, however on the way back pay £2 or smth like that so I feel like there must be some cooperation especially with T&W & DCC.
Durham multi-operator day ticket would be available for £4; with a two zone multi-modal ticket for £6.50; and a regionwide multi-modal ticket for £6.80.
The report sets out details of improvements to bus services across the county, including increased Sunday services, replacement of commercial routes deemed no longer viable by operators, and routes that are designed to make it easier for people to get to work. Furthermore we are looking to enhance capacity of our Link2 demand response service.This is something which DCC should do independent, possibly put out surveys or go around houses and ask them about what buses services they like, West Auckland has appalling service to newcastle which needs to be changed. I feel like this has great potential especially with areas such as Consent & Peterlee which have had services slashed, like Dalton Park & Seaham too.
