Enviro 400MMC's for the X10
Enviro 400MMC's for the X10
I not sure Go north east really know what they are doing here. I have used the X10 a few times this year and seen it at Dalton Park while waiting for 23 a few times and it always seems busy.
I agree as well I don’t like the coaches have been on it at different with both my friend and my daughter and it was agreed they are just awful and not very good for people with disabilities so I welcome the return to double deck buses as will several other people. So I don’t think getting rid of the X9 and reducing the service to every hour is a good idea as I can see it getting capacity before it even gets to Stockton or Heworth. They really need to rethink this.
(30 Dec 2021, 1:54 am)col87 I not sure Go north east really know what they are doing here. I have used the X10 a few times this year and seen it at Dalton Park while waiting for 23 a few times and it always seems busy.They can always up the frequency back to half hourly if needed, but don't the E400s have a higher capacity than the coaches?
I agree as well I don’t like the coaches have been on it at different with both my friend and my daughter and it was agreed they are just awful and not very good for people with disabilities so I welcome the return to double deck buses as will several other people. So I don’t think getting rid of the X9 and reducing the service to every hour is a good idea as I can see it getting capacity before it even gets to Stockton or Heworth. They really need to rethink this.
(30 Dec 2021, 1:54 am)col87 I not sure Go north east really know what they are doing here. I have used the X10 a few times this year and seen it at Dalton Park while waiting for 23 a few times and it always seems busy.They can always up the frequency back to half hourly if needed, but don't the E400s have a higher capacity than the coaches?
I agree as well I don’t like the coaches have been on it at different with both my friend and my daughter and it was agreed they are just awful and not very good for people with disabilities so I welcome the return to double deck buses as will several other people. So I don’t think getting rid of the X9 and reducing the service to every hour is a good idea as I can see it getting capacity before it even gets to Stockton or Heworth. They really need to rethink this.
(30 Dec 2021, 2:27 am)streetdeckfan They can always up the frequency back to half hourly if needed, but don't the E400s have a higher capacity than the coaches?They might be able to...but what would they use there isn't enough spare same spec E400's
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(30 Dec 2021, 2:27 am)streetdeckfan They can always up the frequency back to half hourly if needed, but don't the E400s have a higher capacity than the coaches?66 seated capacity on coaches going off the fleet list, while the E400s have 73.
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(30 Dec 2021, 2:30 am)Bus3888 They might be able to...but what would they use there isn't enough spare same spec E400's6377 will no doubt be the spare. I'm sure GNE will love to have the headache of sourcing buses for an increase in the PVR if demand returns.
(30 Dec 2021, 2:27 am)streetdeckfan They can always up the frequency back to half hourly if needed, but don't the E400s have a higher capacity than the coaches?66 seated capacity on coaches going off the fleet list, while the E400s have 73.
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(30 Dec 2021, 2:30 am)Bus3888 They might be able to...but what would they use there isn't enough spare same spec E400's6377 will no doubt be the spare. I'm sure GNE will love to have the headache of sourcing buses for an increase in the PVR if demand returns.
(30 Dec 2021, 2:30 am)Bus3888 They might be able to...but what would they use there isn't enough spare same spec E400's
(30 Dec 2021, 2:42 am)6049 66 seated capacity on coaches going off the fleet list, while the E400s have 73.
It's not unheard-of for dupes to be put on when high passenger loads are expected, such as match days.
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(30 Dec 2021, 2:30 am)Bus3888 They might be able to...but what would they use there isn't enough spare same spec E400's
(30 Dec 2021, 2:42 am)6049 66 seated capacity on coaches going off the fleet list, while the E400s have 73.
It's not unheard-of for dupes to be put on when high passenger loads are expected, such as match days.
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(30 Dec 2021, 2:51 am)streetdeckfan I'm too lazy to scroll back up and read, but isn't there talks about there being other spare E400s? Maybe I'm wrong thoughI was at Gateshead the other week and X10 stand was packed (friday night) and the 19:10 or 19:20 apparently was full. And Spare E400 I think 6338-6340 are but they have different tables, you could use 6337/6377/6335.
So that puts them at around 55% of the seated capacity per hour. However, if we include standing, then it's at 80% of the total previous capacity, which I believe is around where passenger numbers are at compared to pre-covid.
I'd guess that for the X10, it's probably somewhere around 50% of pre-covid numbers for them to be willing to drop the capacity by that much. And, to be fair, whenever I've used the X9/X10 with the coaches, I've never seen it more than half full!
(30 Dec 2021, 2:51 am)streetdeckfan I'm too lazy to scroll back up and read, but isn't there talks about there being other spare E400s? Maybe I'm wrong thoughI was at Gateshead the other week and X10 stand was packed (friday night) and the 19:10 or 19:20 apparently was full. And Spare E400 I think 6338-6340 are but they have different tables, you could use 6337/6377/6335.
So that puts them at around 55% of the seated capacity per hour. However, if we include standing, then it's at 80% of the total previous capacity, which I believe is around where passenger numbers are at compared to pre-covid.
I'd guess that for the X10, it's probably somewhere around 50% of pre-covid numbers for them to be willing to drop the capacity by that much. And, to be fair, whenever I've used the X9/X10 with the coaches, I've never seen it more than half full!
(30 Dec 2021, 1:54 am)col87 I not sure Go north east really know what they are doing here. I have used the X10 a few times this year and seen it at Dalton Park while waiting for 23 a few times and it always seems busy.
I agree as well I don’t like the coaches have been on it at different with both my friend and my daughter and it was agreed they are just awful and not very good for people with disabilities so I welcome the return to double deck buses as will several other people. So I don’t think getting rid of the X9 and reducing the service to every hour is a good idea as I can see it getting capacity before it even gets to Stockton or Heworth. They really need to rethink this.
(30 Dec 2021, 1:54 am)col87 I not sure Go north east really know what they are doing here. I have used the X10 a few times this year and seen it at Dalton Park while waiting for 23 a few times and it always seems busy.
I agree as well I don’t like the coaches have been on it at different with both my friend and my daughter and it was agreed they are just awful and not very good for people with disabilities so I welcome the return to double deck buses as will several other people. So I don’t think getting rid of the X9 and reducing the service to every hour is a good idea as I can see it getting capacity before it even gets to Stockton or Heworth. They really need to rethink this.
With 'both' 6336 & 37 soon to be now available as Consett spares, 6338-40 with a slight fleet re-jigg (to ensure suitable Euro 6 spares at Consett) could be deployed should demand increase to ever re-introduce the X9 in the future. That however is a long way off.
6377 or a B9TL will likely stand in as a spare should any of 6352-55 become unavailable.
(30 Dec 2021, 10:11 am)L469 YVK With 'both' 6336 & 37 soon to be now available as Consett spares, 6338-40 with a slight fleet re-jigg (to ensure suitable Euro 6 spares at Consett) could be deployed should demand increase to ever re-introduce the X9 in the future. That however is a long way off.Nah I think the X9 is done for. It's been withdrawn way to many times now and so might as well keep it withdrawn
6377 or a B9TL will likely stand in as a spare should any of 6352-55 become unavailable.
(30 Dec 2021, 10:11 am)L469 YVK With 'both' 6336 & 37 soon to be now available as Consett spares, 6338-40 with a slight fleet re-jigg (to ensure suitable Euro 6 spares at Consett) could be deployed should demand increase to ever re-introduce the X9 in the future. That however is a long way off.Nah I think the X9 is done for. It's been withdrawn way to many times now and so might as well keep it withdrawn
6377 or a B9TL will likely stand in as a spare should any of 6352-55 become unavailable.
(30 Dec 2021, 10:42 am)Train8261 Nah I think the X9 is done for. It's been withdrawn way to many times now and so might as well keep it withdrawnX9 could maybe return one day but if it were to happen it won't be any time soon, be years down the line by which time everything will have been moved around and services changed a hundred times so its pointless suggesting such and such a bus will go on a service that ain't returning any time soon.
(30 Dec 2021, 10:42 am)Train8261 Nah I think the X9 is done for. It's been withdrawn way to many times now and so might as well keep it withdrawnX9 could maybe return one day but if it were to happen it won't be any time soon, be years down the line by which time everything will have been moved around and services changed a hundred times so its pointless suggesting such and such a bus will go on a service that ain't returning any time soon.
(30 Dec 2021, 10:11 am)L469 YVK With 'both' 6336 & 37 soon to be now available as Consett spares, 6338-40 with a slight fleet re-jigg (to ensure suitable Euro 6 spares at Consett) could be deployed should demand increase to ever re-introduce the X9 in the future. That however is a long way off.
6377 or a B9TL will likely stand in as a spare should any of 6352-55 become unavailable.
(30 Dec 2021, 10:11 am)L469 YVK With 'both' 6336 & 37 soon to be now available as Consett spares, 6338-40 with a slight fleet re-jigg (to ensure suitable Euro 6 spares at Consett) could be deployed should demand increase to ever re-introduce the X9 in the future. That however is a long way off.
6377 or a B9TL will likely stand in as a spare should any of 6352-55 become unavailable.
(30 Dec 2021, 11:33 am)MurdnunoC How would you re-jig them?All Consett would need is 6336/37 (which they've got) plus 2-3 other Euro 6 deckers (don't need to be low height) as spares and that would then release 6338-40
Is there anything else you would repaint if the opportunity presented itself?
(30 Dec 2021, 12:08 pm)L469 YVK All Consett would need is 6336/37 (which they've got) plus 2-3 other Euro 6 deckers (don't need to be low height) as spares and that would then release 6338-40But the 6338-40 are slightly lower spec, table wise they don't have the pull out tables. I know it is minor but. Also I think 6377 and 6337 would be a good spares, however I was on it i can't remember when using 6335 on both the X10 and X21 and it seems to be working really well with the motor ways so that could be a option.
(30 Dec 2021, 12:08 pm)L469 YVK All Consett would need is 6336/37 (which they've got) plus 2-3 other Euro 6 deckers (don't need to be low height) as spares and that would then release 6338-40But the 6338-40 are slightly lower spec, table wise they don't have the pull out tables. I know it is minor but. Also I think 6377 and 6337 would be a good spares, however I was on it i can't remember when using 6335 on both the X10 and X21 and it seems to be working really well with the motor ways so that could be a option.
(30 Dec 2021, 12:42 pm)Bus3888 But the 6338-40 are slightly lower spec, table wise they don't have the pull out tables. I know it is minor but. Also I think 6377 and 6337 would be a good spares, however I was on it i can't remember when using 6335 on both the X10 and X21 and it seems to be working really well with the motor ways so that could be a option.
(30 Dec 2021, 12:42 pm)Bus3888 But the 6338-40 are slightly lower spec, table wise they don't have the pull out tables. I know it is minor but. Also I think 6377 and 6337 would be a good spares, however I was on it i can't remember when using 6335 on both the X10 and X21 and it seems to be working really well with the motor ways so that could be a option.
(30 Dec 2021, 2:32 pm)mb134 Are you just plucking random fleet numbers out the air at this stage? Three completely different vehicle types there, one of which has already proven itself to be a poor choice on the route you're suggesting it covers for...I agree. Irrespective of minor differences, 6338-40 would likely be the natural choice if they decided to bring back the X9.
(30 Dec 2021, 2:32 pm)mb134 Are you just plucking random fleet numbers out the air at this stage? Three completely different vehicle types there, one of which has already proven itself to be a poor choice on the route you're suggesting it covers for...I agree. Irrespective of minor differences, 6338-40 would likely be the natural choice if they decided to bring back the X9.
(30 Dec 2021, 12:08 pm)L469 YVK All Consett would need is 6336/37 (which they've got) plus 2-3 other Euro 6 deckers (don't need to be low height) as spares and that would then release 6338-40we lost 6337 as that went to act as the spare bus for the X84/85.
(30 Dec 2021, 12:08 pm)L469 YVK All Consett would need is 6336/37 (which they've got) plus 2-3 other Euro 6 deckers (don't need to be low height) as spares and that would then release 6338-40we lost 6337 as that went to act as the spare bus for the X84/85.
(30 Dec 2021, 5:17 pm)KingSlayerRBLX we lost 6337 as that went to act as the spare bus for the X84/85.Neither 6336 or 6337 will be required at Hexham after the 30th January due to the X84/X85 being withdrawn in their current form. The revised X10 doesn't need a low height decker and can be covered by 6377 or a B9TL.
We are gaining Under Euro 6 Buses such as the B5LH's and losing Streetdecks from 6302-7. probably gonna lose 6301. However i have seen on bustimes.org that we (Consett) may be keeping 3963, the Volvo B7TL Wright Gemini as it was caught doing the Red Kite Ranger 47 to Consett. However, this could of been a ticketer swap.
we will have lost all of our Charcoal spares.
6336 - Possibly to be a spare for the X10
6337 - Spare for the X84/85
6376 - Washington General Spare
6377 - Chester-Le-Street for the X21.
Would be ideal to have 6334 & 5 to trial on the Red Kite Ranger 47/47A or the X-Lines X45 & X46 or really just become a General Spare to see how they would run on the routes they were gonna be apart of in the original X-Lines Investment plan.
(30 Dec 2021, 5:17 pm)KingSlayerRBLX we lost 6337 as that went to act as the spare bus for the X84/85.Neither 6336 or 6337 will be required at Hexham after the 30th January due to the X84/X85 being withdrawn in their current form. The revised X10 doesn't need a low height decker and can be covered by 6377 or a B9TL.
We are gaining Under Euro 6 Buses such as the B5LH's and losing Streetdecks from 6302-7. probably gonna lose 6301. However i have seen on bustimes.org that we (Consett) may be keeping 3963, the Volvo B7TL Wright Gemini as it was caught doing the Red Kite Ranger 47 to Consett. However, this could of been a ticketer swap.
we will have lost all of our Charcoal spares.
6336 - Possibly to be a spare for the X10
6337 - Spare for the X84/85
6376 - Washington General Spare
6377 - Chester-Le-Street for the X21.
Would be ideal to have 6334 & 5 to trial on the Red Kite Ranger 47/47A or the X-Lines X45 & X46 or really just become a General Spare to see how they would run on the routes they were gonna be apart of in the original X-Lines Investment plan.
i know i went off topic there but it is about how to plan vehicle movement's and what routes they are allowed on. It cant be that bus you want come to your depot as it would need Strict allocations so like the Euro 4 Voyager Scania N270UD OmniDekkas which will have to become a spare for the 26/50 as it will not be allowed to Enter Newcastle for free and it will have to be the route GNE takes to pay to have their Under Euro 6 Vehicles in Newcastle for about 10 Minutes or so for them to leave and then repeat that process when it comes back which will cost more. So thats why buses like the former Coaster B5LH's got took off the Coaster 1 and got replaced by the Daimler Euro 6 Streetlites as the B5's are Euro 5 and like i said the Streetlites are Euro 6. Its not that GNE don't like the bus on the route its that they need to prepare for the LEZ.
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For this, for the X1/56 with them being every 15 mins respectively they could just turn around at gateshead same with the 21 and make sure passengers get on the right service.
The only issue I am thinking of is if that X1 is going to Peterlee or Dalton park, or the 21 Durham or Brandon.
(30 Dec 2021, 5:17 pm)KingSlayerRBLX Consett could do with some ''New'' Spare buses like Optare Versas or 2005/6 Reg Geminis like 3963 if they were allocated onto the 16/16A or X5/X15.
(30 Dec 2021, 10:59 am)Jimmi X9 could maybe return one day but if it were to happen it won't be any time soon, be years down the line by which time everything will have been moved around and services changed a hundred times so its pointless suggesting such and such a bus will go on a service that ain't returning any time soon.
I think X84 (684) will be stuck with Versas, especially if my theory that the 684 will interwork with the 680/688 turns out to be true or at very least until whenever the new tenders for the Hexham services are awarded.
(30 Dec 2021, 5:17 pm)KingSlayerRBLX Consett could do with some ''New'' Spare buses like Optare Versas or 2005/6 Reg Geminis like 3963 if they were allocated onto the 16/16A or X5/X15.
(30 Dec 2021, 10:59 am)Jimmi X9 could maybe return one day but if it were to happen it won't be any time soon, be years down the line by which time everything will have been moved around and services changed a hundred times so its pointless suggesting such and such a bus will go on a service that ain't returning any time soon.
I think X84 (684) will be stuck with Versas, especially if my theory that the 684 will interwork with the 680/688 turns out to be true or at very least until whenever the new tenders for the Hexham services are awarded.
(30 Dec 2021, 5:42 pm)Bus3888 --------------------------------And I strongly doubt GNE would ever do that. That is why they're backfilling accordingly to ensure there are enough Euro 6 spares to go around.
For this, for the X1/56 with them being every 15 mins respectively they could just turn around at gateshead same with the 21 and make sure passengers get on the right service.
The only issue I am thinking of is if that X1 is going to Peterlee or Dalton park, or the 21 Durham or Brandon.
(30 Dec 2021, 5:42 pm)Bus3888 --------------------------------And I strongly doubt GNE would ever do that. That is why they're backfilling accordingly to ensure there are enough Euro 6 spares to go around.
For this, for the X1/56 with them being every 15 mins respectively they could just turn around at gateshead same with the 21 and make sure passengers get on the right service.
The only issue I am thinking of is if that X1 is going to Peterlee or Dalton park, or the 21 Durham or Brandon.
