Looking at the Bus Service Improvement Plan, three of the KPIs of the plan are as follows:
The list of reductions have now been posted online:
https://www.gonortheast.co.uk/temporary-...-4-january
As I have said before so much for Bus Improvement, whilst temporary may be the claim, permanent is far more likely.
2022 the year of not travelling by bus.
(24 Dec 2021, 11:18 am)S813 FVK The list of reductions have now been posted online:So what’s the chances of the X22 being suspended permanently?
https://www.gonortheast.co.uk/temporary-...-4-january
(24 Dec 2021, 11:18 am)S813 FVK The list of reductions have now been posted online:So what’s the chances of the X22 being suspended permanently?
https://www.gonortheast.co.uk/temporary-...-4-january
(24 Dec 2021, 11:31 am)Wybus So what’s the chances of the X22 being suspended permanently?
Only certain journeys will have good loadings due to the timings and in my experience Saturday journeys tend to be just full of teenagers who won’t be lost as they can’t change to driving there instead
The 21/X21 and then X66 is a fairly easy link they’d promote as an alternative
And if this turns out to be true it’s yet more paint wasted
(24 Dec 2021, 11:31 am)Wybus So what’s the chances of the X22 being suspended permanently?
Only certain journeys will have good loadings due to the timings and in my experience Saturday journeys tend to be just full of teenagers who won’t be lost as they can’t change to driving there instead
The 21/X21 and then X66 is a fairly easy link they’d promote as an alternative
And if this turns out to be true it’s yet more paint wasted
(24 Dec 2021, 11:18 am)S813 FVK The list of reductions have now been posted online:
https://www.gonortheast.co.uk/temporary-...-4-january
(24 Dec 2021, 11:18 am)S813 FVK The list of reductions have now been posted online:
https://www.gonortheast.co.uk/temporary-...-4-january
(24 Dec 2021, 12:19 pm)Train8261 I'm confused why anything is being done to Percy Main depotI think there has been around 6-8 journeys and I think only around 4 were full ones, I concour with this.
1/18/19/310/311 as I've only seen them cancelled a few journeys over the past week
(24 Dec 2021, 12:19 pm)Train8261 I'm confused why anything is being done to Percy Main depotI think there has been around 6-8 journeys and I think only around 4 were full ones, I concour with this.
1/18/19/310/311 as I've only seen them cancelled a few journeys over the past week
(24 Dec 2021, 12:25 pm)L469 YVK To be honest, it would make sense keeping the evening Ex Newcastle 310 journeys running via Hadrian Park. Serving Hadrian Park during the evening isn't a great deal of bother given less traffic on the road. I didn't mind it in the past.I still don't understand why GNE made the 311 serve Hadrian Park later anyway when the 310 was doing fine anyway. There basically going back on what they did back in 2020
(24 Dec 2021, 12:25 pm)Keeiajs I think there has been around 6-8 journeys and I think only around 4 were full ones, I concour with this.Percy Main has been the less affected depot concerned to other depot and routes. Yet somehow needs to cut them evening services
Also how many of these changes will become permanent?
Also 56 Once Per Hour from 20:15...
(24 Dec 2021, 12:25 pm)L469 YVK To be honest, it would make sense keeping the evening Ex Newcastle 310 journeys running via Hadrian Park. Serving Hadrian Park during the evening isn't a great deal of bother given less traffic on the road. I didn't mind it in the past.I still don't understand why GNE made the 311 serve Hadrian Park later anyway when the 310 was doing fine anyway. There basically going back on what they did back in 2020
(24 Dec 2021, 12:25 pm)Keeiajs I think there has been around 6-8 journeys and I think only around 4 were full ones, I concour with this.Percy Main has been the less affected depot concerned to other depot and routes. Yet somehow needs to cut them evening services
Also how many of these changes will become permanent?
Also 56 Once Per Hour from 20:15...
(24 Dec 2021, 12:28 pm)Train8261 I still don't understand why GNE made the 311 serve Hadrian Park later anyway when the 310 was doing fine anyway. There basically going back on what they did back in 2020
Percy Main has been the less affected depot concerned to other depot and routes. Yet somehow needs to cut them evening services
Also
Why the 18 I've never seen a journey cut on that yet
Also why are gne concerned about the 19. When there's plans up to scrap it anyway (I know have a go if u want)
(24 Dec 2021, 12:28 pm)Train8261 I still don't understand why GNE made the 311 serve Hadrian Park later anyway when the 310 was doing fine anyway. There basically going back on what they did back in 2020
Percy Main has been the less affected depot concerned to other depot and routes. Yet somehow needs to cut them evening services
Also
Why the 18 I've never seen a journey cut on that yet
Also why are gne concerned about the 19. When there's plans up to scrap it anyway (I know have a go if u want)
(24 Dec 2021, 12:40 pm)Train8261 It's possible but I'm still confused about why thr 18 & 19 are having a timetable reduced anywayIm confused why any of Percy Main have any reducing.
(24 Dec 2021, 12:41 pm)Keeiajs Im confused why any of Percy Main have any reducing.Passengers numbers on the X85 is to low
Also why was the confirmation of the X84 (Now 684) and X9 scrapped annouced?
(24 Dec 2021, 12:41 pm)Keeiajs Im confused why any of Percy Main have any reducing.Passengers numbers on the X85 is to low
Also why was the confirmation of the X84 (Now 684) and X9 scrapped annouced?
(24 Dec 2021, 11:00 am)Adrian Looking at the Bus Service Improvement Plan, three of the KPIs of the plan are as follows:The BSIP is only built around obtaining the £800m it has asked for.
- Covid-19 recovery: We will repair the damage caused by Covid-19 to bus ridership in our region by returning to the pre-pandemic level of 162.4 million trips by March 2023.
- Grow bus patronage: Once that has been achieved we will significantly grow bus patronage, targeting 10% growth on the 2019 baseline by March 2024 and a further 10% growth on 2019 figures by March 2025. We want to make sure this growth comes from all parts of the region and so the same target will apply for boardings at rural bus stops, and for patronage among young people.
- Grow bus modal share: We will increase the modal share of bus by 1 percentage point by March 2024, and by another 1 percentage point by March 2025. This target will apply both overall, and for journeys to work and education.
I'm not sure how to take these services cuts in relation to the positivity span by the BSIP. The target is 178.6 million trips by March 2024 (using the 2019 baseline) and 194.8 million by March 2025. That's only just over 2 and 3 years away respectively.
The suggestion that a growing popularity of a railway service is impacting the X84/X85, or the all but abandoned battle with the railway service on the X9/X10, feels like an acceptance of defeat. What happened to offering a better product, travel experience and so on?
Maybe this is an early sign that operators are already abandoning the ambition of the BSIP.
(24 Dec 2021, 11:00 am)Adrian Looking at the Bus Service Improvement Plan, three of the KPIs of the plan are as follows:The BSIP is only built around obtaining the £800m it has asked for.
- Covid-19 recovery: We will repair the damage caused by Covid-19 to bus ridership in our region by returning to the pre-pandemic level of 162.4 million trips by March 2023.
- Grow bus patronage: Once that has been achieved we will significantly grow bus patronage, targeting 10% growth on the 2019 baseline by March 2024 and a further 10% growth on 2019 figures by March 2025. We want to make sure this growth comes from all parts of the region and so the same target will apply for boardings at rural bus stops, and for patronage among young people.
- Grow bus modal share: We will increase the modal share of bus by 1 percentage point by March 2024, and by another 1 percentage point by March 2025. This target will apply both overall, and for journeys to work and education.
I'm not sure how to take these services cuts in relation to the positivity span by the BSIP. The target is 178.6 million trips by March 2024 (using the 2019 baseline) and 194.8 million by March 2025. That's only just over 2 and 3 years away respectively.
The suggestion that a growing popularity of a railway service is impacting the X84/X85, or the all but abandoned battle with the railway service on the X9/X10, feels like an acceptance of defeat. What happened to offering a better product, travel experience and so on?
Maybe this is an early sign that operators are already abandoning the ambition of the BSIP.
(24 Dec 2021, 11:54 am)Adrian In the short term, maybe, but in the mid-long term it'll just re-enforce the position that buses aren't a convenient form of transport for them and will speed up their desire to learn to drive and get behind a wheel.Didn't help that in the most recent timetable change the X21 got extra running time added in so the journey time is now the same as the X12 takes from Durham, at least on the plus side the 21 & X21 now leave 15 minutes between each other although annoyingly for me now leaves 5 mins in front of the X12 towards Newcastle (annoying long wait or painfully long 21 trip for me if the 7 arrives in Durham late).
Plus the X22 generally takes around 40 minutes from Durham to the Metrocentre, whereas the X21/X66 takes almost twice the time at 76 minutes. Not exactly convenient for a 17 mile trip... an average speed of 22mph?
(24 Dec 2021, 11:54 am)Adrian In the short term, maybe, but in the mid-long term it'll just re-enforce the position that buses aren't a convenient form of transport for them and will speed up their desire to learn to drive and get behind a wheel.Didn't help that in the most recent timetable change the X21 got extra running time added in so the journey time is now the same as the X12 takes from Durham, at least on the plus side the 21 & X21 now leave 15 minutes between each other although annoyingly for me now leaves 5 mins in front of the X12 towards Newcastle (annoying long wait or painfully long 21 trip for me if the 7 arrives in Durham late).
Plus the X22 generally takes around 40 minutes from Durham to the Metrocentre, whereas the X21/X66 takes almost twice the time at 76 minutes. Not exactly convenient for a 17 mile trip... an average speed of 22mph?
(24 Dec 2021, 11:00 am)Adrian The suggestion that a growing popularity of a railway service is impacting the X84/X85, or the all but abandoned battle with the railway service on the X9/X10, feels like an acceptance of defeat. What happened to offering a better product, travel experience and so on?
(24 Dec 2021, 11:00 am)Adrian The suggestion that a growing popularity of a railway service is impacting the X84/X85, or the all but abandoned battle with the railway service on the X9/X10, feels like an acceptance of defeat. What happened to offering a better product, travel experience and so on?
(24 Dec 2021, 1:13 pm)Jimmi Didn't help that in the most recent timetable change the X21 got extra running time added in so the journey time is now the same as the X12 takes from Durham, at least on the plus side the 21 & X21 now leave 15 minutes between each other although annoyingly for me now leaves 5 mins in front of the X12 towards Newcastle (annoying long wait or painfully long 21 trip for me if the 7 arrives in Durham late).
Problem with suspending the likes of the X22 is it damages any thoughts of its existence so will just be forgotten about when the service starts up again, to a degree this is what saw the downfall of Arriva's X24 which ran to the same route as the X22 does. If you have to suspend something at CLS, at least its a service mostly used for leisure purposes although some Metrocentre staff do use it.
Think this could be the case for some time, they're gonna struggle to recruit when posts on their socials are littered with comments about poor pay, bad experiences from past members of staff and frustrated passengers from buses not running.
(24 Dec 2021, 1:13 pm)Jimmi Didn't help that in the most recent timetable change the X21 got extra running time added in so the journey time is now the same as the X12 takes from Durham, at least on the plus side the 21 & X21 now leave 15 minutes between each other although annoyingly for me now leaves 5 mins in front of the X12 towards Newcastle (annoying long wait or painfully long 21 trip for me if the 7 arrives in Durham late).
Problem with suspending the likes of the X22 is it damages any thoughts of its existence so will just be forgotten about when the service starts up again, to a degree this is what saw the downfall of Arriva's X24 which ran to the same route as the X22 does. If you have to suspend something at CLS, at least its a service mostly used for leisure purposes although some Metrocentre staff do use it.
Think this could be the case for some time, they're gonna struggle to recruit when posts on their socials are littered with comments about poor pay, bad experiences from past members of staff and frustrated passengers from buses not running.
(23 Dec 2021, 10:50 pm)Ambassador I’m not sure what to make of that update to a point,The rail service from Hexham to Newcastle has increased in frequency since GNE started the X85 (from 2 trains per hour to 3 trains per hour) and the rolling stock has improved from the class 142s - so the train is bound to have hit passenger numbers on the X85 (as well as X84 and 685)>
A growing in popularity railway service impacting the X84/5….growing In popularity since erm…1834?
There’s an elephant in the room aspect to this. The govt will not and can’t afford to fund buses, the pandemic has made buses even less popular than before which is an achievement and all that money spent on Ray Stenning PowerPoint templates was a nice try but erm…yeah nobody likes buses. It shows all the money wasted on paint jobs as the union call them and fanfare of printed timetables (popular with old people, roger french and bus enthusiasts only) mean absolutely nothing
I hate to sound like our dear Andreos…well I don’t…but at what point do you realise the problem is you
More to come here I think. Further cuts, more money to DRT schemes and those impacted don’t and won’t vote tory. I’d be rts worried if I relied on public transport in a less desirable connected area or worked at go ahead but I’d be thrilled to be a middle manager or a shareholder…or ray stenning, rebrands ahoy!
To end a positive…of sorts. It’s a real shame Martijn joined GNE at a time of crisis and you wonder what he could have done with the resources that Huntley and Carr had, both massive massive failures.
(23 Dec 2021, 10:50 pm)Ambassador I’m not sure what to make of that update to a point,First time I've heard the late Peter Huntley called a failure !
A growing in popularity railway service impacting the X84/5….growing In popularity since erm…1834?
There’s an elephant in the room aspect to this. The govt will not and can’t afford to fund buses, the pandemic has made buses even less popular than before which is an achievement and all that money spent on Ray Stenning PowerPoint templates was a nice try but erm…yeah nobody likes buses. It shows all the money wasted on paint jobs as the union call them and fanfare of printed timetables (popular with old people, roger french and bus enthusiasts only) mean absolutely nothing
I hate to sound like our dear Andreos…well I don’t…but at what point do you realise the problem is you
More to come here I think. Further cuts, more money to DRT schemes and those impacted don’t and won’t vote tory. I’d be rts worried if I relied on public transport in a less desirable connected area or worked at go ahead but I’d be thrilled to be a middle manager or a shareholder…or ray stenning, rebrands ahoy!
To end a positive…of sorts. It’s a real shame Martijn joined GNE at a time of crisis and you wonder what he could have done with the resources that Huntley and Carr had, both massive massive failures.
(23 Dec 2021, 10:50 pm)Ambassador I’m not sure what to make of that update to a point,The rail service from Hexham to Newcastle has increased in frequency since GNE started the X85 (from 2 trains per hour to 3 trains per hour) and the rolling stock has improved from the class 142s - so the train is bound to have hit passenger numbers on the X85 (as well as X84 and 685)>
A growing in popularity railway service impacting the X84/5….growing In popularity since erm…1834?
There’s an elephant in the room aspect to this. The govt will not and can’t afford to fund buses, the pandemic has made buses even less popular than before which is an achievement and all that money spent on Ray Stenning PowerPoint templates was a nice try but erm…yeah nobody likes buses. It shows all the money wasted on paint jobs as the union call them and fanfare of printed timetables (popular with old people, roger french and bus enthusiasts only) mean absolutely nothing
I hate to sound like our dear Andreos…well I don’t…but at what point do you realise the problem is you
More to come here I think. Further cuts, more money to DRT schemes and those impacted don’t and won’t vote tory. I’d be rts worried if I relied on public transport in a less desirable connected area or worked at go ahead but I’d be thrilled to be a middle manager or a shareholder…or ray stenning, rebrands ahoy!
To end a positive…of sorts. It’s a real shame Martijn joined GNE at a time of crisis and you wonder what he could have done with the resources that Huntley and Carr had, both massive massive failures.
(23 Dec 2021, 10:50 pm)Ambassador I’m not sure what to make of that update to a point,First time I've heard the late Peter Huntley called a failure !
A growing in popularity railway service impacting the X84/5….growing In popularity since erm…1834?
There’s an elephant in the room aspect to this. The govt will not and can’t afford to fund buses, the pandemic has made buses even less popular than before which is an achievement and all that money spent on Ray Stenning PowerPoint templates was a nice try but erm…yeah nobody likes buses. It shows all the money wasted on paint jobs as the union call them and fanfare of printed timetables (popular with old people, roger french and bus enthusiasts only) mean absolutely nothing
I hate to sound like our dear Andreos…well I don’t…but at what point do you realise the problem is you
More to come here I think. Further cuts, more money to DRT schemes and those impacted don’t and won’t vote tory. I’d be rts worried if I relied on public transport in a less desirable connected area or worked at go ahead but I’d be thrilled to be a middle manager or a shareholder…or ray stenning, rebrands ahoy!
To end a positive…of sorts. It’s a real shame Martijn joined GNE at a time of crisis and you wonder what he could have done with the resources that Huntley and Carr had, both massive massive failures.
