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Changes for Sunderland's Holmeside proposed

Changes for Sunderland's Holmeside proposed

 
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Michael



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29 Dec 2021, 4:11 pm #4
(29 Dec 2021, 4:06 pm)Keeiajs So could the buses only go from Park lane down, to Fawcett Street, and not the other way, so whcih way would those buses come. Especially for routes like the 61 which only goes up the road from Winter Gardens to the Bus station.

Maybe this might get the 2/2A/39/39a/38/33 using Park Lane,

Think its both ways for the buses but buses can only use the top part of Holmeside.

(29 Dec 2021, 4:07 pm)Adrian There's no real improvement here, other than the necessity of moving the taxi rank whilst the station front is redeveloped. 

Brougham Street is completely unsuitable for a taxi rank. It's the loading/service area for both Blandford Street and the Bridges. Pedestrians and vans/wagons don't mix, so it's daft pulling traffic through the pedestrianised Maritime Street and across the land vacated by that conveniently burnt down Peacocks store in the right place. 

It looks like the proposed bus gate will only be the short section between the Maritime Street junction and the pedestrian crossing lights on Vine Place:


I'd suggest that any 'improvement' to public transport will be undone by vans/wagons/taxis needing to use Holmeside and turning right on Maritime Street to get to Brougham Street, whereas currently that access is via Waterloo Place and the taxis use the Fawcett Street/John Street one way system on the way out at present. This is before you throw the traffic from a multi-story car park into the mix.

Same, don't see an improvement anywhere apart from more traffic and confusion - if anything - Holmeside should be one way - only allowing buses to come through while leaving the town with the Winter Gardens being the main route in to the city centre.


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Going off track - I really think we need more services going past the new Civic Centre and the developments on the Vaux site.
Edited 29 Dec 2021, 4:16 pm by Michael.

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Michael
29 Dec 2021, 4:11 pm #4

(29 Dec 2021, 4:06 pm)Keeiajs So could the buses only go from Park lane down, to Fawcett Street, and not the other way, so whcih way would those buses come. Especially for routes like the 61 which only goes up the road from Winter Gardens to the Bus station.

Maybe this might get the 2/2A/39/39a/38/33 using Park Lane,

Think its both ways for the buses but buses can only use the top part of Holmeside.

(29 Dec 2021, 4:07 pm)Adrian There's no real improvement here, other than the necessity of moving the taxi rank whilst the station front is redeveloped. 

Brougham Street is completely unsuitable for a taxi rank. It's the loading/service area for both Blandford Street and the Bridges. Pedestrians and vans/wagons don't mix, so it's daft pulling traffic through the pedestrianised Maritime Street and across the land vacated by that conveniently burnt down Peacocks store in the right place. 

It looks like the proposed bus gate will only be the short section between the Maritime Street junction and the pedestrian crossing lights on Vine Place:


I'd suggest that any 'improvement' to public transport will be undone by vans/wagons/taxis needing to use Holmeside and turning right on Maritime Street to get to Brougham Street, whereas currently that access is via Waterloo Place and the taxis use the Fawcett Street/John Street one way system on the way out at present. This is before you throw the traffic from a multi-story car park into the mix.

Same, don't see an improvement anywhere apart from more traffic and confusion - if anything - Holmeside should be one way - only allowing buses to come through while leaving the town with the Winter Gardens being the main route in to the city centre.


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Going off track - I really think we need more services going past the new Civic Centre and the developments on the Vaux site.


Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

 
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Changes for Sunderland's Holmeside proposed - by Michael - 29 Dec 2021, 3:36 pm
RE: Changes for Sunderland's Holmeside proposed - by Keeiajs - 29 Dec 2021, 4:06 pm
RE: Changes for Sunderland's Holmeside proposed - by Michael - 29 Dec 2021, 4:11 pm
RE: Changes for Sunderland's Holmeside proposed - by Keeiajs - 29 Dec 2021, 4:24 pm
RE: Changes for Sunderland's Holmeside proposed - by Michael - 29 Dec 2021, 4:28 pm
RE: Changes for Sunderland's Holmeside proposed - by Keeiajs - 29 Dec 2021, 4:30 pm
RE: Changes for Sunderland's Holmeside proposed - by Michael - 29 Dec 2021, 4:41 pm
RE: Changes for Sunderland's Holmeside proposed - by Adrian - 29 Dec 2021, 4:07 pm
RE: Changes for Sunderland's Holmeside proposed - by 54APhotography - 29 Dec 2021, 9:35 pm
RE: Changes for Sunderland's Holmeside proposed - by Michael - 29 Dec 2021, 9:39 pm
RE: Changes for Sunderland's Holmeside proposed - by Adrian - 29 Dec 2021, 10:18 pm
Changes for Sunderland's Holmeside proposed - by cbma06 - 29 Dec 2021, 7:09 pm
RE: Changes for Sunderland's Holmeside proposed - by 54APhotography - 29 Dec 2021, 8:33 pm
RE: Changes for Sunderland's Holmeside proposed - by Michael - 29 Dec 2021, 8:45 pm
RE: Changes for Sunderland's Holmeside proposed - by 54APhotography - 29 Dec 2021, 9:06 pm
RE: Changes for Sunderland's Holmeside proposed - by N1cholas - 29 Dec 2021, 9:23 pm
RE: Changes for Sunderland's Holmeside proposed - by Michael - 29 Dec 2021, 9:35 pm
RE: Changes for Sunderland's Holmeside proposed - by 54APhotography - 30 Dec 2021, 7:38 am
RE: Changes for Sunderland's Holmeside proposed - by Michael - 31 Jul 2022, 9:21 pm