Jesmond Depot
Jesmond Depot
Could the likes of Services 1/2 interwork or merge with 308 for example in order to reduce PVR at Blyth, furthermore is there really the need for the amount of Services that go through Gosforth/Regent Centre and Blyth, could some of these express service again be merged into normal standard services such as the 52/54/55 with the X7/X8 given they operate through similar corridors.
They could interwork the 44/45 with X10 or X11 out of Blyth
54 with the 57 at Whitley Bay out of Ashington
306 with the 308 at Haymarket from Blyth
Beyond that, you are getting in to remote reliefs for things like the 43, 46/47, 51 and 55. Not very economical. And then you have the 685....
So without a full network change I wouldn't be surprised to see the Newcastle City stuff cancelled and the 685 "handed" to Busways
(12 Aug 2022, 10:24 pm)DeltaMan They could interwork the 44/45 with X10 or X11 out of Blyth
54 with the 57 at Whitley Bay out of Ashington
306 with the 308 at Haymarket from Blyth
Beyond that, you are getting in to remote reliefs for things like the 43, 46/47, 51 and 55. Not very economical. And then you have the 685....
So without a full network change I wouldn't be surprised to see the Newcastle City stuff cancelled and the 685 "handed" to Busways
(12 Aug 2022, 10:24 pm)DeltaMan They could interwork the 44/45 with X10 or X11 out of Blyth
54 with the 57 at Whitley Bay out of Ashington
306 with the 308 at Haymarket from Blyth
Beyond that, you are getting in to remote reliefs for things like the 43, 46/47, 51 and 55. Not very economical. And then you have the 685....
So without a full network change I wouldn't be surprised to see the Newcastle City stuff cancelled and the 685 "handed" to Busways
(12 Aug 2022, 10:30 pm)DeltaMan 46/47/55
(12 Aug 2022, 10:30 pm)DeltaMan 46/47/55
(12 Aug 2022, 10:24 pm)DeltaMan They could interwork the 44/45 with X10 or X11 out of Blyth
54 with the 57 at Whitley Bay out of Ashington
306 with the 308 at Haymarket from Blyth
Beyond that, you are getting in to remote reliefs for things like the 43, 46/47, 51 and 55. Not very economical. And then you have the 685....
So without a full network change I wouldn't be surprised to see the Newcastle City stuff cancelled and the 685 "handed" to Busways
(12 Aug 2022, 10:24 pm)DeltaMan They could interwork the 44/45 with X10 or X11 out of Blyth
54 with the 57 at Whitley Bay out of Ashington
306 with the 308 at Haymarket from Blyth
Beyond that, you are getting in to remote reliefs for things like the 43, 46/47, 51 and 55. Not very economical. And then you have the 685....
So without a full network change I wouldn't be surprised to see the Newcastle City stuff cancelled and the 685 "handed" to Busways
(12 Aug 2022, 10:24 pm)DeltaMan Beyond that, you are getting in to remote reliefs for things like the 43, 46/47, 51 and 55. Not very economical. And then you have the 685....
(12 Aug 2022, 10:24 pm)DeltaMan Beyond that, you are getting in to remote reliefs for things like the 43, 46/47, 51 and 55. Not very economical. And then you have the 685....
(12 Aug 2022, 10:56 pm)mb134 With the 43, the Morpeth runs could break there. Could interwork the others with an Ashington service at the Newcastle end - X21 to town, 44 to Dinnington and back, X22 back?
(12 Aug 2022, 10:56 pm)mb134 With the 43, the Morpeth runs could break there. Could interwork the others with an Ashington service at the Newcastle end - X21 to town, 44 to Dinnington and back, X22 back?
(12 Aug 2022, 10:24 pm)DeltaMan They could interwork the 44/45 with X10 or X11 out of Blyth
54 with the 57 at Whitley Bay out of Ashington
306 with the 308 at Haymarket from Blyth
Beyond that, you are getting in to remote reliefs for things like the 43, 46/47, 51 and 55. Not very economical. And then you have the 685....
So without a full network change I wouldn't be surprised to see the Newcastle City stuff cancelled and the 685 "handed" to Busways
(12 Aug 2022, 10:24 pm)DeltaMan They could interwork the 44/45 with X10 or X11 out of Blyth
54 with the 57 at Whitley Bay out of Ashington
306 with the 308 at Haymarket from Blyth
Beyond that, you are getting in to remote reliefs for things like the 43, 46/47, 51 and 55. Not very economical. And then you have the 685....
So without a full network change I wouldn't be surprised to see the Newcastle City stuff cancelled and the 685 "handed" to Busways
(12 Aug 2022, 11:28 pm)peter It will be very interesting to see what plays out. Obviously it seems all the other routes were destined for Blyth or Ashington anyway. With the small local depot for the city work using the new E200 MMC's plus the 685.I agree. The 685 is a very intresting situation.
Now that the new depot is no longer viable perhaps they do plan on ditching the city work, certainly the 46 and 55 are largely covered by other services, I'm sure Nexus would step in and divert another service for the handful of stops not served.
The hospital bus 47 could be incorporated into another service I suppose. Not sure what they'd do with the 553/555 tho.
51/51A I could see surviving, possibly interworking with the 57 out of Whitley Bay.
The 685 is the big one, personally I think it would make much more sense for Stagecoach to operate it in full, whether Arriva would just give it up like that I don't know.
(12 Aug 2022, 11:28 pm)peter It will be very interesting to see what plays out. Obviously it seems all the other routes were destined for Blyth or Ashington anyway. With the small local depot for the city work using the new E200 MMC's plus the 685.I agree. The 685 is a very intresting situation.
Now that the new depot is no longer viable perhaps they do plan on ditching the city work, certainly the 46 and 55 are largely covered by other services, I'm sure Nexus would step in and divert another service for the handful of stops not served.
The hospital bus 47 could be incorporated into another service I suppose. Not sure what they'd do with the 553/555 tho.
51/51A I could see surviving, possibly interworking with the 57 out of Whitley Bay.
The 685 is the big one, personally I think it would make much more sense for Stagecoach to operate it in full, whether Arriva would just give it up like that I don't know.
(12 Aug 2022, 9:48 pm)peter Although I get where you're coming from as it says some roles are moving to Belmont, I think that's primarily the engineering side of things. The X12 runs hourly to Newcastle where the 44/45 run every 15/20 minutes-ish so I can't see it working. Also, the X12 is run by Stockton now anyways.I'm pretty sure the X12 is split between Belmont and Stockton, since I've seen buses from both depots on there. Same with how the 7 is split between Belmont and Darlington.
The 52, 53 and 54 interwork. The 43, 44 and 45 interwork currently, if the timetable ever re-increases the 43 is standalone from the 44/45. The 46/46A interwork with the 51/51A. Everything else standalone I believe.
(12 Aug 2022, 9:48 pm)peter Although I get where you're coming from as it says some roles are moving to Belmont, I think that's primarily the engineering side of things. The X12 runs hourly to Newcastle where the 44/45 run every 15/20 minutes-ish so I can't see it working. Also, the X12 is run by Stockton now anyways.I'm pretty sure the X12 is split between Belmont and Stockton, since I've seen buses from both depots on there. Same with how the 7 is split between Belmont and Darlington.
The 52, 53 and 54 interwork. The 43, 44 and 45 interwork currently, if the timetable ever re-increases the 43 is standalone from the 44/45. The 46/46A interwork with the 51/51A. Everything else standalone I believe.
(13 Aug 2022, 12:06 am)wibblejunior I'm pretty sure the X12 is split between Belmont and Stockton, since I've seen buses from both depots on there. Same with how the 7 is split between Belmont and Darlington.The X12 was recently transferred completely to Stockton, with the exception of a few morning and evening journeys still ran by Belmont.
(13 Aug 2022, 12:06 am)wibblejunior I'm pretty sure the X12 is split between Belmont and Stockton, since I've seen buses from both depots on there. Same with how the 7 is split between Belmont and Darlington.The X12 was recently transferred completely to Stockton, with the exception of a few morning and evening journeys still ran by Belmont.
(12 Aug 2022, 9:30 pm)V514DFT What are the interworking paterns like at Jesmond43/44/45
(12 Aug 2022, 9:30 pm)V514DFT What are the interworking paterns like at Jesmond43/44/45
(13 Aug 2022, 12:06 am)wibblejunior I'm pretty sure the X12 is split between Belmont and Stockton, since I've seen buses from both depots on there. Same with how the 7 is split between Belmont and Darlington.
(13 Aug 2022, 12:06 am)wibblejunior I'm pretty sure the X12 is split between Belmont and Stockton, since I've seen buses from both depots on there. Same with how the 7 is split between Belmont and Darlington.
(13 Aug 2022, 1:24 am)Kuyoyo Apart from two early morning journeys on weekdays (the 0610 from Coxhoe to Durham and the 0620 from Middlesbrough to Durham) and a single round trip on a Saturday afternoon (1750 from Durham to Middlesbrough and the 1910 return - working off a 22 board), the entire X12 output is now operated by Stockton as of Monday to assist with Belmont’s staff shortages.
Likewise, Belmont’s 7 boards are presently being covered by Darlington for the foreseeable future for the same reason - hence the transfer of 1518 in June when Stockton took on the X66.
(13 Aug 2022, 1:24 am)Kuyoyo Apart from two early morning journeys on weekdays (the 0610 from Coxhoe to Durham and the 0620 from Middlesbrough to Durham) and a single round trip on a Saturday afternoon (1750 from Durham to Middlesbrough and the 1910 return - working off a 22 board), the entire X12 output is now operated by Stockton as of Monday to assist with Belmont’s staff shortages.
Likewise, Belmont’s 7 boards are presently being covered by Darlington for the foreseeable future for the same reason - hence the transfer of 1518 in June when Stockton took on the X66.
(12 Aug 2022, 10:48 pm)Storx The 54/57 wouldn't really work as it's only hourly upto Ashington and would be too long to do 57 54 54 57A 57A 54 54 57 without remotes.I thought the 51 was commercial although when the 51a started I think there was some input from the house builders at Holystone and East Benton. When GNE withdrew the 42/42a I think Nexus put some money towards the 51a running via Wiltshire Drive to maintain a half hourly link to Benton ASDA.
I have a feeling they'll leave the 52/53/54 together and work it from Blyth like the old 343/344. There's enough space for the Streetlite's at the new depot for them.
Agree with the feeling that they'll bin off the 46/47 and 55 though. The last one is now covered by the X7/X8 between South Gosforth and Newcastle and the rest of the route is covered by the 52 or 62. Making the expresses non express was an odd move otherwise imo. The fact Nexus don't even bother to subsidise it on a Sunday evening no doubt sums what they think about it. I did notice it mentions 'Newcastle services' which is quite specific.
The 51 is subsidised by Nexus though if I'm right.
(12 Aug 2022, 10:48 pm)Storx The 54/57 wouldn't really work as it's only hourly upto Ashington and would be too long to do 57 54 54 57A 57A 54 54 57 without remotes.I thought the 51 was commercial although when the 51a started I think there was some input from the house builders at Holystone and East Benton. When GNE withdrew the 42/42a I think Nexus put some money towards the 51a running via Wiltshire Drive to maintain a half hourly link to Benton ASDA.
I have a feeling they'll leave the 52/53/54 together and work it from Blyth like the old 343/344. There's enough space for the Streetlite's at the new depot for them.
Agree with the feeling that they'll bin off the 46/47 and 55 though. The last one is now covered by the X7/X8 between South Gosforth and Newcastle and the rest of the route is covered by the 52 or 62. Making the expresses non express was an odd move otherwise imo. The fact Nexus don't even bother to subsidise it on a Sunday evening no doubt sums what they think about it. I did notice it mentions 'Newcastle services' which is quite specific.
The 51 is subsidised by Nexus though if I'm right.
It's the transfer of engineering that is going to be the really inconvenient move for a lot of staff. It eouid only be a viable commute for those living south of the Tyne and, even then, an awful one.
Looking forward to even more ancient buses on life support trundling around Durham, too. It's getting to the point where some of the vehicles on the 64 wouldn't be out of place at a vintage rally.
(13 Aug 2022, 10:31 am)Storx I'm not too sure but I know in the spreadsheet the whole route is listed in the freedom of request awhile back but it's in 3 bits for some reason - https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/b...ng-1590909
8801 51 Benton Asda - Holystone - West Allotment - Shiremoor - Earsdon - Beaumont Park - Whitley Bay Monday - Sunday all day route extension
8802 51 Newcastle - Benton Asda - Holystone Daily daytime service
8802 51A Newcastle - Benton Asda - Holystone Daily daytime service
That's the details though pulled out.
If were going on bonker ideas surely it would be better for Arriva to just buy Percy Main with the 1 moving to Riverside or Stagecoach.
You've fixed the mess of the Coast Road overnight and Arriva have a depot on the Coast for the Coast Road services and 41/41A/51/52/53/54/57 which are all close by.
(13 Aug 2022, 10:31 am)Storx I'm not too sure but I know in the spreadsheet the whole route is listed in the freedom of request awhile back but it's in 3 bits for some reason - https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/b...ng-1590909
8801 51 Benton Asda - Holystone - West Allotment - Shiremoor - Earsdon - Beaumont Park - Whitley Bay Monday - Sunday all day route extension
8802 51 Newcastle - Benton Asda - Holystone Daily daytime service
8802 51A Newcastle - Benton Asda - Holystone Daily daytime service
That's the details though pulled out.
If were going on bonker ideas surely it would be better for Arriva to just buy Percy Main with the 1 moving to Riverside or Stagecoach.
You've fixed the mess of the Coast Road overnight and Arriva have a depot on the Coast for the Coast Road services and 41/41A/51/52/53/54/57 which are all close by.
