Go North East | January 2022 Service Changes
Go North East | January 2022 Service Changes
(15 Jan 2022, 6:29 pm)omnicity4659 People still need a bus service to the car dealerships at the Silverlink though.
(15 Jan 2022, 6:29 pm)peter GCT don't operate those services in North Tyneside commercially, they're all funded by Nexus. Nexus clearly care cause they just did a consultation on merging the 333 and 335, and re-routing the 359If nexus actually cared they would have sorted something out with the entire network with gne and gct but won't
(15 Jan 2022, 6:29 pm)peter GCT don't operate those services in North Tyneside commercially, they're all funded by Nexus. Nexus clearly care cause they just did a consultation on merging the 333 and 335, and re-routing the 359If nexus actually cared they would have sorted something out with the entire network with gne and gct but won't
(15 Jan 2022, 1:42 pm)peter But surely there's less point in running the services at more or less exactly the same times as currently happens with the X84/685? Because for passengers living in the villages on the route they're essentially going from an hourly to a half hourly service. So I fail to understand why you can't see the point in that. With the BSIP and other measures in the future, changes are going to be about reducing competition and increasing provision. Not least you've got to consider that the 684 is funded for by Northumberland County Council - it's a waste of money funding a service at the exactly the same time as a commercial operation.Between Heddon and Newcastle the 684 & 685 will run roughly 30 minutes apart in both directions which will certainly benefit the passengers on this end of the route at least (currently X84 departs Newcastle 15 minutes before the 685 and runs roughly 15 minutes behind the 685 heading into Newcastle, on top of leaving Hexham at roughly the same time as the 685 whereas when the changes happen the 684 will leave Hexham around 15 minutes after the 685). Whilst the fare thing still restricts the journeys fare paying passengers to one bus, it does at least work for the OAPs using the route (hopefully BSIP fixes that issue in future).
(15 Jan 2022, 1:42 pm)peter But surely there's less point in running the services at more or less exactly the same times as currently happens with the X84/685? Because for passengers living in the villages on the route they're essentially going from an hourly to a half hourly service. So I fail to understand why you can't see the point in that. With the BSIP and other measures in the future, changes are going to be about reducing competition and increasing provision. Not least you've got to consider that the 684 is funded for by Northumberland County Council - it's a waste of money funding a service at the exactly the same time as a commercial operation.Between Heddon and Newcastle the 684 & 685 will run roughly 30 minutes apart in both directions which will certainly benefit the passengers on this end of the route at least (currently X84 departs Newcastle 15 minutes before the 685 and runs roughly 15 minutes behind the 685 heading into Newcastle, on top of leaving Hexham at roughly the same time as the 685 whereas when the changes happen the 684 will leave Hexham around 15 minutes after the 685). Whilst the fare thing still restricts the journeys fare paying passengers to one bus, it does at least work for the OAPs using the route (hopefully BSIP fixes that issue in future).
(15 Jan 2022, 5:46 pm)Train8261 People really need to forget the North Tyneside mini bus network. It's dead. Nobody cares about it anymore. Nexus won't touch it. Gne won't touch it. Gct will but don't understand why
(15 Jan 2022, 5:46 pm)Train8261 People really need to forget the North Tyneside mini bus network. It's dead. Nobody cares about it anymore. Nexus won't touch it. Gne won't touch it. Gct will but don't understand why
(15 Jan 2022, 7:11 pm)Train8261 If nexus actually cared they would have sorted something out with the entire network with gne and gct but won't
(15 Jan 2022, 7:45 pm)Storx They're all subsidised the local services in North Tyneside mostly.
Imo Nexus and local bus companies really need to sit down and plan something with them long term even franchising the lot on a longer basis and try and create some form of low budget network.
The 11, 11 (SNE), 12, 18, 19, 32/32A, 33, 41, 42/42A, 51/51A, 333, 335, 59, W1, W3 and the rest I've no doubt missed all should be part of it as they're not working currently and the yearly contracts going to whoever bids lowest doesn't help them neither.
They'll never be profitable by any means but they could at least be useful and actually exist in the real world as half of them are impossible to find timetables online pretty much or have multiple operators with different ticket rules etc.
(15 Jan 2022, 7:11 pm)Train8261 If nexus actually cared they would have sorted something out with the entire network with gne and gct but won't
(15 Jan 2022, 7:45 pm)Storx They're all subsidised the local services in North Tyneside mostly.
Imo Nexus and local bus companies really need to sit down and plan something with them long term even franchising the lot on a longer basis and try and create some form of low budget network.
The 11, 11 (SNE), 12, 18, 19, 32/32A, 33, 41, 42/42A, 51/51A, 333, 335, 59, W1, W3 and the rest I've no doubt missed all should be part of it as they're not working currently and the yearly contracts going to whoever bids lowest doesn't help them neither.
They'll never be profitable by any means but they could at least be useful and actually exist in the real world as half of them are impossible to find timetables online pretty much or have multiple operators with different ticket rules etc.
(15 Jan 2022, 7:11 pm)Jimmi Between Heddon and Newcastle the 684 & 685 will run roughly 30 minutes apart in both directions which will certainly benefit the passengers on this end of the route at least (currently X84 departs Newcastle 15 minutes before the 685 and runs roughly 15 minutes behind the 685 heading into Newcastle, on top of leaving Hexham at roughly the same time as the 685 whereas when the changes happen the 684 will leave Hexham around 15 minutes after the 685). Whilst the fare thing still restricts the journeys fare paying passengers to one bus, it does at least work for the OAPs using the route (hopefully BSIP fixes that issue in future).
684 is more for those living along the route rather than direct Hexham to Newcastle passengers.
(15 Jan 2022, 7:11 pm)Jimmi Between Heddon and Newcastle the 684 & 685 will run roughly 30 minutes apart in both directions which will certainly benefit the passengers on this end of the route at least (currently X84 departs Newcastle 15 minutes before the 685 and runs roughly 15 minutes behind the 685 heading into Newcastle, on top of leaving Hexham at roughly the same time as the 685 whereas when the changes happen the 684 will leave Hexham around 15 minutes after the 685). Whilst the fare thing still restricts the journeys fare paying passengers to one bus, it does at least work for the OAPs using the route (hopefully BSIP fixes that issue in future).
684 is more for those living along the route rather than direct Hexham to Newcastle passengers.
(15 Jan 2022, 4:50 pm)peter I don't disagree that integrated tickets would be the best option, just in your original post you said you 'couldn't see the point' in coordinating them. It's a step in the right direction at least, albeit certainly not as far as they could go with it.
You would hope that the bus service improvement plan might look at shimmying round a few services between operators. Personally though, I think it would make more sense for Stagecoach to operate the 685 in full rather than it being a joint operation.
(15 Jan 2022, 4:50 pm)peter I don't disagree that integrated tickets would be the best option, just in your original post you said you 'couldn't see the point' in coordinating them. It's a step in the right direction at least, albeit certainly not as far as they could go with it.
You would hope that the bus service improvement plan might look at shimmying round a few services between operators. Personally though, I think it would make more sense for Stagecoach to operate the 685 in full rather than it being a joint operation.
(15 Jan 2022, 7:45 pm)Storx They're all subsidised the local services in North Tyneside mostly.Are the Little Coasters subsidised during the day? The 51/51A isn’t subsidised all day either although I believe there was money put into the 51A from the builders of the new estates in East Benton or Holystone.
Imo Nexus and local bus companies really need to sit down and plan something with them long term even franchising the lot on a longer basis and try and create some form of low budget network.
The 11, 11 (SNE), 12, 18, 19, 32/32A, 33, 41, 42/42A, 51/51A, 333, 335, 59, W1, W3 and the rest I've no doubt missed all should be part of it as they're not working currently and the yearly contracts going to whoever bids lowest doesn't help them neither.
They'll never be profitable by any means but they could at least be useful and actually exist in the real world as half of them are impossible to find timetables online pretty much or have multiple operators with different ticket rules etc.
(15 Jan 2022, 7:45 pm)Storx They're all subsidised the local services in North Tyneside mostly.Are the Little Coasters subsidised during the day? The 51/51A isn’t subsidised all day either although I believe there was money put into the 51A from the builders of the new estates in East Benton or Holystone.
Imo Nexus and local bus companies really need to sit down and plan something with them long term even franchising the lot on a longer basis and try and create some form of low budget network.
The 11, 11 (SNE), 12, 18, 19, 32/32A, 33, 41, 42/42A, 51/51A, 333, 335, 59, W1, W3 and the rest I've no doubt missed all should be part of it as they're not working currently and the yearly contracts going to whoever bids lowest doesn't help them neither.
They'll never be profitable by any means but they could at least be useful and actually exist in the real world as half of them are impossible to find timetables online pretty much or have multiple operators with different ticket rules etc.
All this talk of mutual ticket acceptance in specific areas is getting confusing. If it is to happen it needs to be region wide, and there needs to be a simplification of the ticketing offering.
In other words the Explorer ticket needs more options than just a region wide day ticket and the pricing needs reviewing.
(16 Jan 2022, 10:34 am)RMF1254 Are the Little Coasters subsidised during the day? The 51/51A isn’t subsidised all day either although I believe there was money put into the 51A from the builders of the new estates in East Benton or Holystone.
(16 Jan 2022, 10:34 am)RMF1254 Are the Little Coasters subsidised during the day? The 51/51A isn’t subsidised all day either although I believe there was money put into the 51A from the builders of the new estates in East Benton or Holystone.
(16 Jan 2022, 11:30 am)Storx They're not but they'd just fit in with them all and all really struggle (carry around fresh air most the time). The Northern sections of both the 19 and 42A are both subsidised though.
Personally though I have a big problem with bus routes that are commercial during the day then paid by tax payers during the evening and Sundays. It's just not right a commercial company that profit it during some hours then when it doesn't suit then we have to pay for it. The profits (if there is any) from the likes of the 11 during the day would go help offset some of the costs in the evening or at least spend elsewhere within Nexus.
It would also create a nice little network which might go somewhere with hubs at North Shields, Wallsend and Whitley Bay as they all serve the places. The farce of having one operator during the day and one during the evening is useless aswell but GNE or whoever shouldn't automatically win the contract because they run during the day either.
(16 Jan 2022, 11:30 am)Storx They're not but they'd just fit in with them all and all really struggle (carry around fresh air most the time). The Northern sections of both the 19 and 42A are both subsidised though.
Personally though I have a big problem with bus routes that are commercial during the day then paid by tax payers during the evening and Sundays. It's just not right a commercial company that profit it during some hours then when it doesn't suit then we have to pay for it. The profits (if there is any) from the likes of the 11 during the day would go help offset some of the costs in the evening or at least spend elsewhere within Nexus.
It would also create a nice little network which might go somewhere with hubs at North Shields, Wallsend and Whitley Bay as they all serve the places. The farce of having one operator during the day and one during the evening is useless aswell but GNE or whoever shouldn't automatically win the contract because they run during the day either.
(16 Jan 2022, 11:35 am)Bazza It may be that the profits created during the day are not enough to cover the losses during the evening, in which case the operator would withdraw completely.
(16 Jan 2022, 11:35 am)Bazza It may be that the profits created during the day are not enough to cover the losses during the evening, in which case the operator would withdraw completely.
(16 Jan 2022, 11:35 am)Bazza It may be that the profits created during the day are not enough to cover the losses during the evening, in which case the operator would withdraw completely.In which case, they need to do something about the daytime route and ensure it is more than sustainable, rather than maintaining the status quo.
(16 Jan 2022, 11:35 am)Bazza It may be that the profits created during the day are not enough to cover the losses during the evening, in which case the operator would withdraw completely.In which case, they need to do something about the daytime route and ensure it is more than sustainable, rather than maintaining the status quo.
(16 Jan 2022, 12:18 pm)Andreos1 In which case, they need to do something about the daytime route and ensure it is more than sustainable, rather than maintaining the status quo.
The operators sole aim is to make money. Its not about passengers.
If they're struggling to make money from their existing network, then something is going wrong somewhere.
(16 Jan 2022, 12:18 pm)Andreos1 In which case, they need to do something about the daytime route and ensure it is more than sustainable, rather than maintaining the status quo.
The operators sole aim is to make money. Its not about passengers.
If they're struggling to make money from their existing network, then something is going wrong somewhere.
(16 Jan 2022, 12:46 pm)Bazza There is lots of discussion on here on what is going wrong.I agree. The whole thing needs shaking up. It is far from fit for purpose.
Personally, I believe it needs a root and branch change, rather than fiddling about at the edges.
Large companies removing profits from public services to pay shareholders is one of the major hurdles to any improvement.
(16 Jan 2022, 12:46 pm)Bazza There is lots of discussion on here on what is going wrong.I agree. The whole thing needs shaking up. It is far from fit for purpose.
Personally, I believe it needs a root and branch change, rather than fiddling about at the edges.
Large companies removing profits from public services to pay shareholders is one of the major hurdles to any improvement.
(16 Jan 2022, 11:30 am)Storx They're not but they'd just fit in with them all and all really struggle (carry around fresh air most the time). The Northern sections of both the 19 and 42A are both subsidised though.I use the 51 quite often to travel to Newcastle, I have never got on to an empty bus yet.
Personally though I have a big problem with bus routes that are commercial during the day then paid by tax payers during the evening and Sundays. It's just not right a commercial company that profit it during some hours then when it doesn't suit then we have to pay for it. The profits (if there is any) from the likes of the 11 during the day would go help offset some of the costs in the evening or at least spend elsewhere within Nexus.
It would also create a nice little network which might go somewhere with hubs at North Shields, Wallsend and Whitley Bay as they all serve the places. The farce of having one operator during the day and one during the evening is useless aswell but GNE or whoever shouldn't automatically win the contract because they run during the day either.
(16 Jan 2022, 11:30 am)Storx They're not but they'd just fit in with them all and all really struggle (carry around fresh air most the time). The Northern sections of both the 19 and 42A are both subsidised though.I use the 51 quite often to travel to Newcastle, I have never got on to an empty bus yet.
Personally though I have a big problem with bus routes that are commercial during the day then paid by tax payers during the evening and Sundays. It's just not right a commercial company that profit it during some hours then when it doesn't suit then we have to pay for it. The profits (if there is any) from the likes of the 11 during the day would go help offset some of the costs in the evening or at least spend elsewhere within Nexus.
It would also create a nice little network which might go somewhere with hubs at North Shields, Wallsend and Whitley Bay as they all serve the places. The farce of having one operator during the day and one during the evening is useless aswell but GNE or whoever shouldn't automatically win the contract because they run during the day either.
(16 Jan 2022, 1:02 pm)Omega54 I wonder if GNE are successful in the EV bid whether they might get 2 ADL BYD E200MMC for the 684 with maybe 1 or 2 tables.
Tbh upgrading the QuayCity Q3's it would have been nice if they have maybe 1 or 2 tables on.
(16 Jan 2022, 1:02 pm)Omega54 I wonder if GNE are successful in the EV bid whether they might get 2 ADL BYD E200MMC for the 684 with maybe 1 or 2 tables.
Tbh upgrading the QuayCity Q3's it would have been nice if they have maybe 1 or 2 tables on.
(16 Jan 2022, 7:26 pm)Adrian 684 isn't covered in the ZEBRA bid for Hexham (which I believe will be Yutongs anyway), and at roughly £379,801 per bus, I can't see any operator commercially funding them anytime soon.
(16 Jan 2022, 7:26 pm)Adrian 684 isn't covered in the ZEBRA bid for Hexham (which I believe will be Yutongs anyway), and at roughly £379,801 per bus, I can't see any operator commercially funding them anytime soon.
