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Dan

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18,119
28 Jan 2022, 7:59 am #41
Moderator note:

Thread split from September 2021 Nexus tenders thread, given that this discussion is regarding March 2022 tenders.

Inkeeping with paragraph 1.8 in the contract document - the contents of the tenders have been marked as 'private and confidential' and it is stated that the details of the tender document are communicated on an 'in confidence basis to those who have legitimate need to know'.

To protect this website, the forum and its members, I have removed specific details of which services are being tendered. Generic posts which do not include specific details of the services being tendered, or refer to details in the public domain, may continue to be discussed.
Dan
28 Jan 2022, 7:59 am #41

Moderator note:

Thread split from September 2021 Nexus tenders thread, given that this discussion is regarding March 2022 tenders.

Inkeeping with paragraph 1.8 in the contract document - the contents of the tenders have been marked as 'private and confidential' and it is stated that the details of the tender document are communicated on an 'in confidence basis to those who have legitimate need to know'.

To protect this website, the forum and its members, I have removed specific details of which services are being tendered. Generic posts which do not include specific details of the services being tendered, or refer to details in the public domain, may continue to be discussed.

MurdnunoC



3,975
28 Jan 2022, 8:22 am #42
If there were a hypothetical service which has been suggested in the past, such as a hypothetical service which combines elements of a current service between Westerhope and Kingston Park, and a service with operates beyond Kingston Park towards the East End of Newcastle via places on the western boundary of North Tyneside, would that be permissible as a topic of discussion?

Such a service has been hypothesised at the bottom of this post here: https://northeastbuses.co.uk/forum/showt...p?tid=1831&pid=269778#pid269778
MurdnunoC
28 Jan 2022, 8:22 am #42

If there were a hypothetical service which has been suggested in the past, such as a hypothetical service which combines elements of a current service between Westerhope and Kingston Park, and a service with operates beyond Kingston Park towards the East End of Newcastle via places on the western boundary of North Tyneside, would that be permissible as a topic of discussion?

Such a service has been hypothesised at the bottom of this post here: https://northeastbuses.co.uk/forum/showt...p?tid=1831&pid=269778#pid269778

busmanT



933
28 Jan 2022, 9:42 am #43
I note that Phoenix have cancelled their registration for the M71, so presumably that is involved in the tenders
https://www.vehicle-operator-licensing.s...ls/590563/
busmanT
28 Jan 2022, 9:42 am #43

I note that Phoenix have cancelled their registration for the M71, so presumably that is involved in the tenders
https://www.vehicle-operator-licensing.s...ls/590563/

MurdnunoC



3,975
28 Jan 2022, 10:00 am #44
(28 Jan 2022, 9:42 am)busmanT I note that Phoenix have cancelled their registration for the M71, so presumably that is involved in the tenders
https://www.vehicle-operator-licensing.s...ls/590563/

Now there's an interesting development.

I wonder what will replace this service, if anything?
MurdnunoC
28 Jan 2022, 10:00 am #44

(28 Jan 2022, 9:42 am)busmanT I note that Phoenix have cancelled their registration for the M71, so presumably that is involved in the tenders
https://www.vehicle-operator-licensing.s...ls/590563/

Now there's an interesting development.

I wonder what will replace this service, if anything?

Andreos1



14,224
28 Jan 2022, 10:06 am #45
(28 Jan 2022, 8:22 am)MurdnunoC If there were a hypothetical service which has been suggested in the past, such as a hypothetical service which combines elements of a current service between Westerhope and Kingston Park, and a service with operates beyond Kingston Park towards the East End of Newcastle via places on the western boundary of North Tyneside, would that be permissible as a topic of discussion?

Such a service has been hypothesised at the bottom of this post here: https://northeastbuses.co.uk/forum/showt...p?tid=1831&pid=269778#pid269778
Never mind that, I'd argue that we are all people 'who have legitimate need to know' about these changes.

'Illegitimis non carborundum'
Andreos1
28 Jan 2022, 10:06 am #45

(28 Jan 2022, 8:22 am)MurdnunoC If there were a hypothetical service which has been suggested in the past, such as a hypothetical service which combines elements of a current service between Westerhope and Kingston Park, and a service with operates beyond Kingston Park towards the East End of Newcastle via places on the western boundary of North Tyneside, would that be permissible as a topic of discussion?

Such a service has been hypothesised at the bottom of this post here: https://northeastbuses.co.uk/forum/showt...p?tid=1831&pid=269778#pid269778
Never mind that, I'd argue that we are all people 'who have legitimate need to know' about these changes.


'Illegitimis non carborundum'

28 Jan 2022, 12:55 pm #46
I hope Phoenix get something as they are losing the M71. Surprised Tesco Car Park will still be covered by the replacement service.

Are the Northumberland contracts being awarded with effect from March too? Just wondered if the 74, 131 and 808 are safe.
OrangeArrow49
28 Jan 2022, 12:55 pm #46

I hope Phoenix get something as they are losing the M71. Surprised Tesco Car Park will still be covered by the replacement service.

Are the Northumberland contracts being awarded with effect from March too? Just wondered if the 74, 131 and 808 are safe.

Train8261



1,016
29 Jan 2022, 1:26 am #47
Is the 10/11 between Jarrow & North Shields nexus contracted since the 319 was withdrawn

Is that up for tender or is the 10/11 route South Shields to North Shields there's now
Train8261
29 Jan 2022, 1:26 am #47

Is the 10/11 between Jarrow & North Shields nexus contracted since the 319 was withdrawn

Is that up for tender or is the 10/11 route South Shields to North Shields there's now

cbma06



2,669
29 Jan 2022, 9:18 am #48
https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/nor...EpAoRMUyFs

An email seen by ChronicleLive reveals the first routes Go North East could axe in March, with warnings of more to follow over the coming months

Go North East is proposing the following cuts in Newcastle and North Tyneside from March 27:

Little Coaster 11, 19 and 42/42A withdrawn;

33/33A withdrawn;

QuayCity Q3 to operate between Great Park and St Peter's only, and diverted via Osborne Road to replace service 33/33A.

Evening journeys on Coaster 1 withdrawn;

Evening journeys on Cobalt and Coast 311 withdrawn, with service 310 operating via Hadrian Park during evenings;

Little Coaster 41/41A revised to operate between Hadrian Park and Wallsend only, additionally serving Wiltshire Drive.


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cbma06
29 Jan 2022, 9:18 am #48

https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/nor...EpAoRMUyFs

An email seen by ChronicleLive reveals the first routes Go North East could axe in March, with warnings of more to follow over the coming months

Go North East is proposing the following cuts in Newcastle and North Tyneside from March 27:

Little Coaster 11, 19 and 42/42A withdrawn;

33/33A withdrawn;

QuayCity Q3 to operate between Great Park and St Peter's only, and diverted via Osborne Road to replace service 33/33A.

Evening journeys on Coaster 1 withdrawn;

Evening journeys on Cobalt and Coast 311 withdrawn, with service 310 operating via Hadrian Park during evenings;

Little Coaster 41/41A revised to operate between Hadrian Park and Wallsend only, additionally serving Wiltshire Drive.


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Michael



19,173
29 Jan 2022, 11:02 am #49
(29 Jan 2022, 9:18 am)cbma06 https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/nor...EpAoRMUyFs

An email seen by ChronicleLive reveals the first routes Go North East could axe in March, with warnings of more to follow over the coming months

Go North East is proposing the following cuts in Newcastle and North Tyneside from March 27:

Little Coaster 11, 19 and 42/42A withdrawn;

33/33A withdrawn;

QuayCity Q3 to operate between Great Park and St Peter's only, and diverted via Osborne Road to replace service 33/33A.

Evening journeys on Coaster 1 withdrawn;

Evening journeys on Cobalt and Coast 311 withdrawn, with service 310 operating via Hadrian Park during evenings;

Little Coaster 41/41A revised to operate between Hadrian Park and Wallsend only, additionally serving Wiltshire Drive.


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Those are bigger cuts than I thought they were going to be.... if true!

Surprised the full 1 evening journey's are going, thought they would of cut the frequency.


If its massive cuts like this, then people will just move to cars.

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.
Michael
29 Jan 2022, 11:02 am #49

(29 Jan 2022, 9:18 am)cbma06 https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/nor...EpAoRMUyFs

An email seen by ChronicleLive reveals the first routes Go North East could axe in March, with warnings of more to follow over the coming months

Go North East is proposing the following cuts in Newcastle and North Tyneside from March 27:

Little Coaster 11, 19 and 42/42A withdrawn;

33/33A withdrawn;

QuayCity Q3 to operate between Great Park and St Peter's only, and diverted via Osborne Road to replace service 33/33A.

Evening journeys on Coaster 1 withdrawn;

Evening journeys on Cobalt and Coast 311 withdrawn, with service 310 operating via Hadrian Park during evenings;

Little Coaster 41/41A revised to operate between Hadrian Park and Wallsend only, additionally serving Wiltshire Drive.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Those are bigger cuts than I thought they were going to be.... if true!

Surprised the full 1 evening journey's are going, thought they would of cut the frequency.


If its massive cuts like this, then people will just move to cars.


Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

Thomas12



467
29 Jan 2022, 11:25 am #50
(29 Jan 2022, 11:02 am)Michael Those are bigger cuts than I thought they were going to be.... if true!

Surprised the full 1 evening journey's are going, thought they would of cut the frequency.


If its massive cuts like this, then people will just move to cars.

The evening 1 journeys are being tendered by Nexus.
Thomas12
29 Jan 2022, 11:25 am #50

(29 Jan 2022, 11:02 am)Michael Those are bigger cuts than I thought they were going to be.... if true!

Surprised the full 1 evening journey's are going, thought they would of cut the frequency.


If its massive cuts like this, then people will just move to cars.

The evening 1 journeys are being tendered by Nexus.

Omega54



290
29 Jan 2022, 11:27 am #51
(29 Jan 2022, 11:25 am)Thomas12 The evening 1 journeys are being tendered by Nexus.
All of them?
Omega54
29 Jan 2022, 11:27 am #51

(29 Jan 2022, 11:25 am)Thomas12 The evening 1 journeys are being tendered by Nexus.
All of them?

Michael



19,173
29 Jan 2022, 11:28 am #52
(29 Jan 2022, 11:25 am)Thomas12 The evening 1 journeys are being tendered by Nexus.

Ah right!

So it might not be as bad as people think, just the papers trying to cause panic!

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.
Michael
29 Jan 2022, 11:28 am #52

(29 Jan 2022, 11:25 am)Thomas12 The evening 1 journeys are being tendered by Nexus.

Ah right!

So it might not be as bad as people think, just the papers trying to cause panic!


Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

Thomas12



467
29 Jan 2022, 11:36 am #53
(29 Jan 2022, 11:28 am)Michael Ah right!

So it might not be as bad as people think, just the papers trying to cause panic!

I don't think so, from what I've seen on this forum most areas will still have a bus service provided by Nexus. Another poster had leaked the contract details on this forum, but Dan said we were not allowed to talk about the specific details so I'll respect that.
Thomas12
29 Jan 2022, 11:36 am #53

(29 Jan 2022, 11:28 am)Michael Ah right!

So it might not be as bad as people think, just the papers trying to cause panic!

I don't think so, from what I've seen on this forum most areas will still have a bus service provided by Nexus. Another poster had leaked the contract details on this forum, but Dan said we were not allowed to talk about the specific details so I'll respect that.

L469 YVK



3,551
30 Jan 2022, 11:23 am #54
So only seeing the Chronicle article and NOT the actual tenders, I'd suggest the following for the North Shields & Whitley Bay section of the 1.

- Evening 310 extended to Tynemouth, covers Tynemouth Road past Knotts Flats and reduces need for long layover in North Shields.

- Evening 306 extended via number 1 route from Tynemouth Park Hotel to Whitley Bay. Covers the 1 route between Tynemouth & Whitley Bay and reduces long layover in Tynemouth.
L469 YVK
30 Jan 2022, 11:23 am #54

So only seeing the Chronicle article and NOT the actual tenders, I'd suggest the following for the North Shields & Whitley Bay section of the 1.

- Evening 310 extended to Tynemouth, covers Tynemouth Road past Knotts Flats and reduces need for long layover in North Shields.

- Evening 306 extended via number 1 route from Tynemouth Park Hotel to Whitley Bay. Covers the 1 route between Tynemouth & Whitley Bay and reduces long layover in Tynemouth.

Train8261



1,016
08 Feb 2022, 11:04 pm #55
If you email about the changes that were put out early December (I think) wi have received this email back

Hello,



Thank you very much for taking the time to participate in Nexus’ consultation regarding the future proposals for a number of our publicly funded bus services.



The feedback received has been very valuable in helping to formulate ideas and considerations for the future network.



Since the consultation was undertaken, we have been notified of a number of changes proposed by bus operators who provide services on a commercial basis.



Nexus is now investigating options to respond to the changes that have been proposed by bus operators.



Thank you again for your participation in the consultation



Commercial Team- Nexus
Train8261
08 Feb 2022, 11:04 pm #55

If you email about the changes that were put out early December (I think) wi have received this email back

Hello,



Thank you very much for taking the time to participate in Nexus’ consultation regarding the future proposals for a number of our publicly funded bus services.



The feedback received has been very valuable in helping to formulate ideas and considerations for the future network.



Since the consultation was undertaken, we have been notified of a number of changes proposed by bus operators who provide services on a commercial basis.



Nexus is now investigating options to respond to the changes that have been proposed by bus operators.



Thank you again for your participation in the consultation



Commercial Team- Nexus

Rob44



1,507
11 Feb 2022, 11:29 am #56
Im sure i posted this using my phone but when i've some on her this morning its not there? I'd assume i must not have pressed post reply??

On the Facebook group where i used to live they have said its been decided that the 41 and 41a 42 and 42a and 44 and 45 are all been cancelled. Their are also some stagecoach services being effected to. Although I assume this is only the the nexus secured section of these routes that's being effected but that not how some of those on Facebook see it. Isn't doing any bus companies or Nexus any good though!
Rob44
11 Feb 2022, 11:29 am #56

Im sure i posted this using my phone but when i've some on her this morning its not there? I'd assume i must not have pressed post reply??

On the Facebook group where i used to live they have said its been decided that the 41 and 41a 42 and 42a and 44 and 45 are all been cancelled. Their are also some stagecoach services being effected to. Although I assume this is only the the nexus secured section of these routes that's being effected but that not how some of those on Facebook see it. Isn't doing any bus companies or Nexus any good though!

Adrian



9,583
11 Feb 2022, 12:24 pm #57
(11 Feb 2022, 11:29 am)Rob44 Im sure i posted this using my phone but when i've some on her this morning its not there? I'd assume i must not have pressed post reply??

On the Facebook group where i used to live they have said its been decided that the 41 and 41a 42 and 42a and 44 and 45 are all been cancelled.  Their are also some stagecoach services being effected to.  Although I assume this is only the the nexus secured section of these routes that's being effected but that not how some of those on Facebook see it. Isn't doing any bus companies or Nexus any good though!

Is that the alleged 41, 41a, 42a, 44 and 45?  Wink

It'll be interesting to see what the alleged transport authority do, with an alleged tender process and some alleged contracts.

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Adrian
11 Feb 2022, 12:24 pm #57

(11 Feb 2022, 11:29 am)Rob44 Im sure i posted this using my phone but when i've some on her this morning its not there? I'd assume i must not have pressed post reply??

On the Facebook group where i used to live they have said its been decided that the 41 and 41a 42 and 42a and 44 and 45 are all been cancelled.  Their are also some stagecoach services being effected to.  Although I assume this is only the the nexus secured section of these routes that's being effected but that not how some of those on Facebook see it. Isn't doing any bus companies or Nexus any good though!

Is that the alleged 41, 41a, 42a, 44 and 45?  Wink

It'll be interesting to see what the alleged transport authority do, with an alleged tender process and some alleged contracts.


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Rob44



1,507
11 Feb 2022, 12:43 pm #58
(11 Feb 2022, 12:24 pm)Adrian Is that the alleged 41, 41a, 42a, 44 and 45?  Wink

It'll be interesting to see what the alleged transport authority do, with an alleged tender process and some alleged contracts.

Nope not the way i read it.... although someone else has stated it was a political motivated ?? Blood social media
Rob44
11 Feb 2022, 12:43 pm #58

(11 Feb 2022, 12:24 pm)Adrian Is that the alleged 41, 41a, 42a, 44 and 45?  Wink

It'll be interesting to see what the alleged transport authority do, with an alleged tender process and some alleged contracts.

Nope not the way i read it.... although someone else has stated it was a political motivated ?? Blood social media

Storx



4,593
11 Feb 2022, 12:51 pm #59
(11 Feb 2022, 11:29 am)Rob44 Im sure i posted this using my phone but when i've some on her this morning its not there? I'd assume i must not have pressed post reply??

On the Facebook group where i used to live they have said its been decided that the 41 and 41a 42 and 42a and 44 and 45 are all been cancelled.  Their are also some stagecoach services being effected to.  Although I assume this is only the the nexus secured section of these routes that's being effected but that not how some of those on Facebook see it. Isn't doing any bus companies or Nexus any good though!

Unless something has changed, there's nothing planned for the 44/45 as far as I'm aware, very surprised if that's true bar the few early morning boards possibly. The 46/52 would go first imo if they were getting arid of services.
Storx
11 Feb 2022, 12:51 pm #59

(11 Feb 2022, 11:29 am)Rob44 Im sure i posted this using my phone but when i've some on her this morning its not there? I'd assume i must not have pressed post reply??

On the Facebook group where i used to live they have said its been decided that the 41 and 41a 42 and 42a and 44 and 45 are all been cancelled.  Their are also some stagecoach services being effected to.  Although I assume this is only the the nexus secured section of these routes that's being effected but that not how some of those on Facebook see it. Isn't doing any bus companies or Nexus any good though!

Unless something has changed, there's nothing planned for the 44/45 as far as I'm aware, very surprised if that's true bar the few early morning boards possibly. The 46/52 would go first imo if they were getting arid of services.

Rob44



1,507
11 Feb 2022, 1:35 pm #60
i think i ready the it was the first Saturday journey of the day from Dinnington to Newcastle via hazlerigg that was a secured service that was going to be cancelled, but reading the post on facebook it suggests its the whole service....
Rob44
11 Feb 2022, 1:35 pm #60

i think i ready the it was the first Saturday journey of the day from Dinnington to Newcastle via hazlerigg that was a secured service that was going to be cancelled, but reading the post on facebook it suggests its the whole service....

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