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ne14ne1



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19 Dec 2022, 9:00 pm #101
(19 Dec 2022, 1:11 pm)Rob44 wonder if the bus link will remain if this happens

https://www.itv.com/news/tyne-tees/2022-...and-biking

Don’t see why not, I’m sure the bus link would’ve been planned with the long term boulevard plan in mind. 
Only difference is the top deck will be removed and the bottom deck turned into a boulevard with the bus gate still crossing over it.
ne14ne1
19 Dec 2022, 9:00 pm #101

(19 Dec 2022, 1:11 pm)Rob44 wonder if the bus link will remain if this happens

https://www.itv.com/news/tyne-tees/2022-...and-biking

Don’t see why not, I’m sure the bus link would’ve been planned with the long term boulevard plan in mind. 
Only difference is the top deck will be removed and the bottom deck turned into a boulevard with the bus gate still crossing over it.

Ambassador



1,820
19 Dec 2022, 10:15 pm #102
(19 Dec 2022, 9:00 pm)ne14ne1 Don’t see why not, I’m sure the bus link would’ve been planned with the long term boulevard plan in mind. 
Only difference is the top deck will be removed and the bottom deck turned into a boulevard with the bus gate still crossing over it.

It would have to go. There’s no way you hold up the vast amount of traffic heading towards and out of Newcastle for a few buses an hour. 

like most Gannon projects, it’ll go

Wistfully stuck in the 90s
Ambassador
19 Dec 2022, 10:15 pm #102

(19 Dec 2022, 9:00 pm)ne14ne1 Don’t see why not, I’m sure the bus link would’ve been planned with the long term boulevard plan in mind. 
Only difference is the top deck will be removed and the bottom deck turned into a boulevard with the bus gate still crossing over it.

It would have to go. There’s no way you hold up the vast amount of traffic heading towards and out of Newcastle for a few buses an hour. 

like most Gannon projects, it’ll go


Wistfully stuck in the 90s

Andreos1



14,155
19 Dec 2022, 10:36 pm #103
(19 Dec 2022, 10:15 pm)Ambassador It would have to go. There’s no way you hold up the vast amount of traffic heading towards and out of Newcastle for a few buses an hour. 

like most Gannon projects, it’ll go

But that's exactly what the one on the Felling Bypass at Wardley does.

'Illegitimis non carborundum'
Andreos1
19 Dec 2022, 10:36 pm #103

(19 Dec 2022, 10:15 pm)Ambassador It would have to go. There’s no way you hold up the vast amount of traffic heading towards and out of Newcastle for a few buses an hour. 

like most Gannon projects, it’ll go

But that's exactly what the one on the Felling Bypass at Wardley does.


'Illegitimis non carborundum'

Unber43



3,533
19 Dec 2022, 10:52 pm #104
(19 Dec 2022, 10:36 pm)Andreos1 But that's exactly what the one on the Felling Bypass at Wardley does.
I don't think any bus services uses that now
Unber43
19 Dec 2022, 10:52 pm #104

(19 Dec 2022, 10:36 pm)Andreos1 But that's exactly what the one on the Felling Bypass at Wardley does.
I don't think any bus services uses that now

Andreos1



14,155
19 Dec 2022, 11:36 pm #105
(19 Dec 2022, 10:52 pm)Unber43 I don't think any bus services uses that now

Just checked and it looks like you are right.
All that bleating on about bus priority measures, forcing the council over a barrel and now they've diverted the last remaining bus away from it.

Go North East in 2009: http://www.travelnortheast.co.uk/news/st...ugust.html

Now: *tumbleweed and a bus gate that doesn't have buses going through it*

'Illegitimis non carborundum'
Andreos1
19 Dec 2022, 11:36 pm #105

(19 Dec 2022, 10:52 pm)Unber43 I don't think any bus services uses that now

Just checked and it looks like you are right.
All that bleating on about bus priority measures, forcing the council over a barrel and now they've diverted the last remaining bus away from it.

Go North East in 2009: http://www.travelnortheast.co.uk/news/st...ugust.html

Now: *tumbleweed and a bus gate that doesn't have buses going through it*


'Illegitimis non carborundum'

Unber43



3,533
19 Dec 2022, 11:58 pm #106
(19 Dec 2022, 11:36 pm)Andreos1 Just checked and it looks like you are right.
All that bleating on about bus priority measures, forcing the council over a barrel and now they've diverted the last remaining bus away from it.

Go North East in 2009: http://www.travelnortheast.co.uk/news/st...ugust.html

Now: *tumbleweed and a bus gate that doesn't have buses going through it*
GNE changed the 57 route a couple months ago so it now goes the other way around. 

I dont think they told anyone, and just did it overnight.
Unber43
19 Dec 2022, 11:58 pm #106

(19 Dec 2022, 11:36 pm)Andreos1 Just checked and it looks like you are right.
All that bleating on about bus priority measures, forcing the council over a barrel and now they've diverted the last remaining bus away from it.

Go North East in 2009: http://www.travelnortheast.co.uk/news/st...ugust.html

Now: *tumbleweed and a bus gate that doesn't have buses going through it*
GNE changed the 57 route a couple months ago so it now goes the other way around. 

I dont think they told anyone, and just did it overnight.

Storx



4,483
19 Dec 2022, 11:59 pm #107
(19 Dec 2022, 11:36 pm)Andreos1 Just checked and it looks like you are right.
All that bleating on about bus priority measures, forcing the council over a barrel and now they've diverted the last remaining bus away from it.

Go North East in 2009: http://www.travelnortheast.co.uk/news/st...ugust.html

Now: *tumbleweed and a bus gate that doesn't have buses going through it*

Virtually everything wasted on stuff like in the past 15 years is the same:

Silverlink Bus Link
Northumberland Park Interchange
Centrelink

Most 'traffic improvements' are a waste of money aswell:

Sandy Lane
Four Lane Ends
South Gosforth
Gosforth Salter's Road / Church Road
Haymarket
Findus Roundabout
Askew Road
Kingston Park Road

They're all worse than they've ever been. North East Councils, in particular Newcastle, North Tyneside and Gateshead should be banned from traffic planning as they're clueless. Not to mention anything done by them takes 10x longer than it should, the latest being Sandy Lane Roundabout and the paving off the side streets on Northumberland Street.
Storx
19 Dec 2022, 11:59 pm #107

(19 Dec 2022, 11:36 pm)Andreos1 Just checked and it looks like you are right.
All that bleating on about bus priority measures, forcing the council over a barrel and now they've diverted the last remaining bus away from it.

Go North East in 2009: http://www.travelnortheast.co.uk/news/st...ugust.html

Now: *tumbleweed and a bus gate that doesn't have buses going through it*

Virtually everything wasted on stuff like in the past 15 years is the same:

Silverlink Bus Link
Northumberland Park Interchange
Centrelink

Most 'traffic improvements' are a waste of money aswell:

Sandy Lane
Four Lane Ends
South Gosforth
Gosforth Salter's Road / Church Road
Haymarket
Findus Roundabout
Askew Road
Kingston Park Road

They're all worse than they've ever been. North East Councils, in particular Newcastle, North Tyneside and Gateshead should be banned from traffic planning as they're clueless. Not to mention anything done by them takes 10x longer than it should, the latest being Sandy Lane Roundabout and the paving off the side streets on Northumberland Street.

20 Dec 2022, 1:12 am #108
(19 Dec 2022, 11:36 pm)Andreos1 Just checked and it looks like you are right.
All that bleating on about bus priority measures, forcing the council over a barrel and now they've diverted the last remaining bus away from it.

Go North East in 2009: http://www.travelnortheast.co.uk/news/st...ugust.html

Now: *tumbleweed and a bus gate that doesn't have buses going through it*

GNE took the move to change the route as it's just far too dangerous with the speeds cars approach along the A184. Probably had more near misses now the speed camera has disappeared from there now. Never liked crossing it when I used to be at Riverside.
deanmachine
20 Dec 2022, 1:12 am #108

(19 Dec 2022, 11:36 pm)Andreos1 Just checked and it looks like you are right.
All that bleating on about bus priority measures, forcing the council over a barrel and now they've diverted the last remaining bus away from it.

Go North East in 2009: http://www.travelnortheast.co.uk/news/st...ugust.html

Now: *tumbleweed and a bus gate that doesn't have buses going through it*

GNE took the move to change the route as it's just far too dangerous with the speeds cars approach along the A184. Probably had more near misses now the speed camera has disappeared from there now. Never liked crossing it when I used to be at Riverside.

ne14ne1



1,508
20 Dec 2022, 7:24 am #109
(19 Dec 2022, 10:15 pm)Ambassador It would have to go. There’s no way you hold up the vast amount of traffic heading towards and out of Newcastle for a few buses an hour. 

like most Gannon projects, it’ll go

…..if it’s just a few buses an hour then the traffic will barely be held back at all then.
ne14ne1
20 Dec 2022, 7:24 am #109

(19 Dec 2022, 10:15 pm)Ambassador It would have to go. There’s no way you hold up the vast amount of traffic heading towards and out of Newcastle for a few buses an hour. 

like most Gannon projects, it’ll go

…..if it’s just a few buses an hour then the traffic will barely be held back at all then.

Ambassador



1,820
20 Dec 2022, 9:48 am #110
(20 Dec 2022, 7:24 am)ne14ne1 …..if it’s just a few buses an hour then the traffic will barely be held back at all then.

If they install smart traffic lights - which they may - otherwise it would be chaotic.

Wistfully stuck in the 90s
Ambassador
20 Dec 2022, 9:48 am #110

(20 Dec 2022, 7:24 am)ne14ne1 …..if it’s just a few buses an hour then the traffic will barely be held back at all then.

If they install smart traffic lights - which they may - otherwise it would be chaotic.


Wistfully stuck in the 90s

Andreos1



14,155
20 Dec 2022, 10:10 am #111
(20 Dec 2022, 1:12 am)deanmachine GNE took the move to change the route as it's just far too dangerous with the speeds cars approach along the A184. Probably had more near misses now the speed camera has disappeared from there now. Never liked crossing it when I used to be at Riverside.

That may have influenced the decision with the final route, but I can't see it having any impact on any of the others they cancelled.

But saying that, if they had any weight and credibility left, I'm sure it could have been used to influence the council.
Just like they could have done regarding Centrelink.

I've said it for years, but operators and local authorities need to work together and improve their working relationships, not just about things like this - but roadworks, road layouts, priority measures and anything else that matters.
They've got a common interest (usually financial or some other target) yet seem so far removed from each other.

Another example in that area, is the lights and road-layout changes made a few years back on the bridge over the Felling Bypass at Wardley.
All the pressure and then we see services diverted away from the section of road.

'Illegitimis non carborundum'
Andreos1
20 Dec 2022, 10:10 am #111

(20 Dec 2022, 1:12 am)deanmachine GNE took the move to change the route as it's just far too dangerous with the speeds cars approach along the A184. Probably had more near misses now the speed camera has disappeared from there now. Never liked crossing it when I used to be at Riverside.

That may have influenced the decision with the final route, but I can't see it having any impact on any of the others they cancelled.

But saying that, if they had any weight and credibility left, I'm sure it could have been used to influence the council.
Just like they could have done regarding Centrelink.

I've said it for years, but operators and local authorities need to work together and improve their working relationships, not just about things like this - but roadworks, road layouts, priority measures and anything else that matters.
They've got a common interest (usually financial or some other target) yet seem so far removed from each other.

Another example in that area, is the lights and road-layout changes made a few years back on the bridge over the Felling Bypass at Wardley.
All the pressure and then we see services diverted away from the section of road.


'Illegitimis non carborundum'

Andreos1



14,155
20 Dec 2022, 10:20 am #112
(19 Dec 2022, 11:59 pm)Storx Virtually everything wasted on stuff like in the past 15 years is the same:

Silverlink Bus Link
Northumberland Park Interchange
Centrelink
 

Most 'traffic improvements' are a waste of money aswell:

Sandy Lane
Four Lane Ends
South Gosforth
Gosforth Salter's Road / Church Road
Haymarket
Findus Roundabout
Askew Road
Kingston Park Road

They're all worse than they've ever been. North East Councils, in particular Newcastle, North Tyneside and Gateshead should be banned from traffic planning as they're clueless. Not to mention anything done by them takes 10x longer than it should, the latest being Sandy Lane Roundabout and the paving off the side streets on Northumberland Street.

It's bonkers that so much public money is thrown at this infrastructure, with seemingly no recourse for an operator shrugging their shoulders after however long and upping sticks when the money dries up or doesn't flow as well as they anticipated.

Time and time again we see it happen.

'Illegitimis non carborundum'
Andreos1
20 Dec 2022, 10:20 am #112

(19 Dec 2022, 11:59 pm)Storx Virtually everything wasted on stuff like in the past 15 years is the same:

Silverlink Bus Link
Northumberland Park Interchange
Centrelink
 

Most 'traffic improvements' are a waste of money aswell:

Sandy Lane
Four Lane Ends
South Gosforth
Gosforth Salter's Road / Church Road
Haymarket
Findus Roundabout
Askew Road
Kingston Park Road

They're all worse than they've ever been. North East Councils, in particular Newcastle, North Tyneside and Gateshead should be banned from traffic planning as they're clueless. Not to mention anything done by them takes 10x longer than it should, the latest being Sandy Lane Roundabout and the paving off the side streets on Northumberland Street.

It's bonkers that so much public money is thrown at this infrastructure, with seemingly no recourse for an operator shrugging their shoulders after however long and upping sticks when the money dries up or doesn't flow as well as they anticipated.

Time and time again we see it happen.


'Illegitimis non carborundum'

DeltaMan



556
20 Dec 2022, 10:39 am #113
(20 Dec 2022, 10:20 am)Andreos1 It's bonkers that so much public money is thrown at this infrastructure, with seemingly no recourse for an operator shrugging their shoulders after however long and upping sticks when the money dries up or doesn't flow as well as they anticipated.

Time and time again we see it happen.
That's not how planning works. Operators give feedback to planners and take it away.

This whole thing about operators putting local authorities over a barrel is complete nonsense. There is nobody on the planet that would suggest GNE would diitch the 27 if the Sunderland Road bus gate never existed. The 57 still serves Wardley.

Maybe we need better local authority planners which are not enthralled to certain lobby groups or not willing to de-risk spending
DeltaMan
20 Dec 2022, 10:39 am #113

(20 Dec 2022, 10:20 am)Andreos1 It's bonkers that so much public money is thrown at this infrastructure, with seemingly no recourse for an operator shrugging their shoulders after however long and upping sticks when the money dries up or doesn't flow as well as they anticipated.

Time and time again we see it happen.
That's not how planning works. Operators give feedback to planners and take it away.

This whole thing about operators putting local authorities over a barrel is complete nonsense. There is nobody on the planet that would suggest GNE would diitch the 27 if the Sunderland Road bus gate never existed. The 57 still serves Wardley.

Maybe we need better local authority planners which are not enthralled to certain lobby groups or not willing to de-risk spending

Storx



4,483
21 Dec 2022, 12:34 pm #114
(19 Dec 2022, 4:20 pm)Adrian Its not really much of an announcement, is it? The so-called Gateshead boulevard has been part of their masterplan for ages, and as Andreos1 suggests, is just a nice excuse to get rid of something that needs removing/replacing anyway.

https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/nor...s-25802062

There we go, happens every time with Gannon it's predictable.
Storx
21 Dec 2022, 12:34 pm #114

(19 Dec 2022, 4:20 pm)Adrian Its not really much of an announcement, is it? The so-called Gateshead boulevard has been part of their masterplan for ages, and as Andreos1 suggests, is just a nice excuse to get rid of something that needs removing/replacing anyway.

https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/nor...s-25802062

There we go, happens every time with Gannon it's predictable.

ne14ne1



1,508
21 Dec 2022, 5:37 pm #115
(21 Dec 2022, 12:34 pm)Storx https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/nor...s-25802062

There we go, happens every time with Gannon it's predictable.


What we looking at here?
ne14ne1
21 Dec 2022, 5:37 pm #115

(21 Dec 2022, 12:34 pm)Storx https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/nor...s-25802062

There we go, happens every time with Gannon it's predictable.


What we looking at here?

Storx



4,483
21 Dec 2022, 5:53 pm #116
(21 Dec 2022, 5:37 pm)ne14ne1 What we looking at here?

Basically every time Gannon lately announces some form of master plan worth millions of pounds which they don't have the funding for (and won't have the funding for) there's some very bad news coming from Gateshead Council around the same time almost as a cover up. Happens all the time lately, it was Skyscrapercity or RailUK (can't remember which) which noticed it and it's just happened again.
Storx
21 Dec 2022, 5:53 pm #116

(21 Dec 2022, 5:37 pm)ne14ne1 What we looking at here?

Basically every time Gannon lately announces some form of master plan worth millions of pounds which they don't have the funding for (and won't have the funding for) there's some very bad news coming from Gateshead Council around the same time almost as a cover up. Happens all the time lately, it was Skyscrapercity or RailUK (can't remember which) which noticed it and it's just happened again.

pbjd



319
21 Dec 2022, 7:31 pm #117
(19 Dec 2022, 11:36 pm)Andreos1 Just checked and it looks like you are right.
All that bleating on about bus priority measures, forcing the council over a barrel and now they've diverted the last remaining bus away from it.

Go North East in 2009: http://www.travelnortheast.co.uk/news/st...ugust.html

Now: *tumbleweed and a bus gate that doesn't have buses going through it*


The bus gate at Wardley was blocked off completely today by Highways agency with the lights bagged over.


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pbjd
21 Dec 2022, 7:31 pm #117

(19 Dec 2022, 11:36 pm)Andreos1 Just checked and it looks like you are right.
All that bleating on about bus priority measures, forcing the council over a barrel and now they've diverted the last remaining bus away from it.

Go North East in 2009: http://www.travelnortheast.co.uk/news/st...ugust.html

Now: *tumbleweed and a bus gate that doesn't have buses going through it*


The bus gate at Wardley was blocked off completely today by Highways agency with the lights bagged over.


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Dan

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18,100
22 Dec 2022, 6:29 am #118
(21 Dec 2022, 7:31 pm)pbjd The bus gate at Wardley was blocked off completely today by Highways agency with the lights bagged over.


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The lights remained active until that point - meaning that, despite no (or very few) buses using it, the lights were phasing as the sensor wasn’t picking up any activity.

Now they’ve been bagged over, there’ll be no need for the contingency phasing and the bypass can run freely.


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Dan
22 Dec 2022, 6:29 am #118

(21 Dec 2022, 7:31 pm)pbjd The bus gate at Wardley was blocked off completely today by Highways agency with the lights bagged over.


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The lights remained active until that point - meaning that, despite no (or very few) buses using it, the lights were phasing as the sensor wasn’t picking up any activity.

Now they’ve been bagged over, there’ll be no need for the contingency phasing and the bypass can run freely.


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Adrian



9,567
22 Dec 2022, 10:59 am #119
(19 Dec 2022, 6:09 pm)Storx "ambitious £500m plans" is quite an announcement to me. There's much more to it than just the boulevard. Most of it belonging in fantasy land especially the cycle highway from Carlisle to Newcastle. Who knows could spend the money on trains which aren't from the 80's which could erm take cycles aswell but yeah.

Anyone wanting to do that is very likely be doing the C2C as there's not exactly much commuter sense to it unless you really are barking mad especially from Greenhead to Brampton.

What I mean is, that this isn't new. See: https://www.gateshead.gov.uk/article/325...-2010-2030

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Adrian
22 Dec 2022, 10:59 am #119

(19 Dec 2022, 6:09 pm)Storx "ambitious £500m plans" is quite an announcement to me. There's much more to it than just the boulevard. Most of it belonging in fantasy land especially the cycle highway from Carlisle to Newcastle. Who knows could spend the money on trains which aren't from the 80's which could erm take cycles aswell but yeah.

Anyone wanting to do that is very likely be doing the C2C as there's not exactly much commuter sense to it unless you really are barking mad especially from Greenhead to Brampton.

What I mean is, that this isn't new. See: https://www.gateshead.gov.uk/article/325...-2010-2030


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