Gateshead Sunderland Road Bus Link
Gateshead Sunderland Road Bus Link
(06 Apr 2022, 7:30 pm)Adrian Any idea what the state of play is on the High Street these days? Is it on the most-part unoccupied?
I think I read that Gateshead Council were offering settlements to freehold and leaseholders to buy up the property, but unsure how far that went.
(06 Apr 2022, 7:30 pm)Adrian Any idea what the state of play is on the High Street these days? Is it on the most-part unoccupied?
I think I read that Gateshead Council were offering settlements to freehold and leaseholders to buy up the property, but unsure how far that went.
(06 Apr 2022, 7:57 pm)deanmachine They've knocked most of it down! The only thing that's left is a few pubs and kebab shops really. Jackson Street is very empty now too.
(06 Apr 2022, 7:57 pm)deanmachine They've knocked most of it down! The only thing that's left is a few pubs and kebab shops really. Jackson Street is very empty now too.
(06 Apr 2022, 3:21 pm)ne14ne1 Money from bus lane fines is pumped back into traffic infrastructure, enforcement etc as far as I’m aware, so win win.
It’s basically a stupidity tax to help fund other projects.
They need to get a bus lane camera on the Centrelink too. The number of entitled rat runners on there is increasing.
(06 Apr 2022, 3:21 pm)ne14ne1 Money from bus lane fines is pumped back into traffic infrastructure, enforcement etc as far as I’m aware, so win win.
It’s basically a stupidity tax to help fund other projects.
They need to get a bus lane camera on the Centrelink too. The number of entitled rat runners on there is increasing.
(07 Apr 2022, 2:45 am)omnicity4659 Centrelink doesn't see regular bus services anymore. Should be opened to all traffic to alleviate pressure from Gateshead town centre when travelling from Newcastle towards Dunston/MetroCentre.
It should have been opened to all when the Askew Road was mutilated.
(07 Apr 2022, 2:45 am)omnicity4659 Centrelink doesn't see regular bus services anymore. Should be opened to all traffic to alleviate pressure from Gateshead town centre when travelling from Newcastle towards Dunston/MetroCentre.
It should have been opened to all when the Askew Road was mutilated.
(07 Apr 2022, 9:09 am)ne14ne1 Once Centrelink reopens fully following the Ochre Yards construction work, eastbound X66s may start using it again. It would certainly avoid morning congestion at the Shell garage by Redheugh Roundabout.
Once all the apartments at Brett Wharf are built I think it would be good to permanently divert all number 6 services along there for example (both in and outbound), rather than just a couple of morning inbound (10?) services. That way Brett Wharf and the likes of the Copthorne have a decent service up towards Central Station & the city centre, as well as back, plus to Metrocentre & beyond.
I certainly don’t think Centrelink should be opened to all traffic. We don’t want traffic funnelled along the riverside and onto the Swing Bridge & Quaysides.
(07 Apr 2022, 9:09 am)ne14ne1 Once Centrelink reopens fully following the Ochre Yards construction work, eastbound X66s may start using it again. It would certainly avoid morning congestion at the Shell garage by Redheugh Roundabout.
Once all the apartments at Brett Wharf are built I think it would be good to permanently divert all number 6 services along there for example (both in and outbound), rather than just a couple of morning inbound (10?) services. That way Brett Wharf and the likes of the Copthorne have a decent service up towards Central Station & the city centre, as well as back, plus to Metrocentre & beyond.
I certainly don’t think Centrelink should be opened to all traffic. We don’t want traffic funnelled along the riverside and onto the Swing Bridge & Quaysides.
I'm not sure if the construction work affects Rabbit Banks Road, I've seen council gritters and buses running up there despite the "closure".
I don't think there is a need for a busway for a service running in one direction only every 10 minutes from a shopping centre in decline. GNE have already demonstrated that they can do without the Centrelink, too. If the council redid the Bottle Bank slip road to allow traffic to make a wide turn and merge onto the Tyne Bridge, then the Centrelink would be useful and it wouldn't clog up the Quays, Sage or Swing Bridge. Not funnelling all traffic through Gateshead would ease congestion and is less likely to disrupt buses.
(07 Apr 2022, 9:09 am)ne14ne1 Once Centrelink reopens fully following the Ochre Yards construction work, eastbound X66s may start using it again. It would certainly avoid morning congestion at the Shell garage by Redheugh Roundabout.
Once all the apartments at Brett Wharf are built I think it would be good to permanently divert all number 6 services along there for example (both in and outbound), rather than just a couple of morning inbound (10?) services. That way Brett Wharf and the likes of the Copthorne have a decent service up towards Central Station & the city centre, as well as back, plus to Metrocentre & beyond.
I certainly don’t think Centrelink should be opened to all traffic. We don’t want traffic funnelled along the riverside and onto the Swing Bridge & Quaysides.
(07 Apr 2022, 9:09 am)ne14ne1 Once Centrelink reopens fully following the Ochre Yards construction work, eastbound X66s may start using it again. It would certainly avoid morning congestion at the Shell garage by Redheugh Roundabout.
Once all the apartments at Brett Wharf are built I think it would be good to permanently divert all number 6 services along there for example (both in and outbound), rather than just a couple of morning inbound (10?) services. That way Brett Wharf and the likes of the Copthorne have a decent service up towards Central Station & the city centre, as well as back, plus to Metrocentre & beyond.
I certainly don’t think Centrelink should be opened to all traffic. We don’t want traffic funnelled along the riverside and onto the Swing Bridge & Quaysides.
(07 Apr 2022, 9:55 am)Adrian Perhaps it highlights the daft traffic management in Gateshead town centre, when its quicker to not use the dedicated bus route.
(07 Apr 2022, 9:55 am)Adrian Perhaps it highlights the daft traffic management in Gateshead town centre, when its quicker to not use the dedicated bus route.
(07 Apr 2022, 10:12 am)ne14ne1 The next head scratcher is prioritising southbound buses (Newcastle to Gateshead Interchange) when the High Level Bridge comes to the end of its life and has to be closed to buses and taxis.
Maybe a topic for another thread.
(07 Apr 2022, 10:12 am)ne14ne1 The next head scratcher is prioritising southbound buses (Newcastle to Gateshead Interchange) when the High Level Bridge comes to the end of its life and has to be closed to buses and taxis.
Maybe a topic for another thread.
(07 Apr 2022, 10:45 am)Ambassador There's only 2 real viable options.
Divert over Redheugh (which is already heavily congested) and a potential bus lane along Askew Road towards Gateshead.
Restore the Wellington Street bus link and send traffic over the Tyne Bridge.
Gateshead have made such an utter pigs ear of their road network that its probably going to take a total remodel. They are by far the most wasteful and incompetent of the local authorities - they love a good white elephant (Centrelink, the entire town centre, the bus gate and the Angel Park and Ride)
(07 Apr 2022, 10:45 am)Ambassador There's only 2 real viable options.
Divert over Redheugh (which is already heavily congested) and a potential bus lane along Askew Road towards Gateshead.
Restore the Wellington Street bus link and send traffic over the Tyne Bridge.
Gateshead have made such an utter pigs ear of their road network that its probably going to take a total remodel. They are by far the most wasteful and incompetent of the local authorities - they love a good white elephant (Centrelink, the entire town centre, the bus gate and the Angel Park and Ride)
(07 Apr 2022, 11:46 am)ASX_Terranova I was going to say the swing bridge, but you would need to have the roads on the toon side changed so you could right turn off the close if you wanted services to serve Central Station.
(07 Apr 2022, 11:46 am)ASX_Terranova I was going to say the swing bridge, but you would need to have the roads on the toon side changed so you could right turn off the close if you wanted services to serve Central Station.
I reckon when the time comes then a southbound bus lane should be added to the Tyne Bridge, extended from the bus-only slip from the Swan House roundabout (which is likely set for major reconfiguration in future anyway), then Gateshead need to sort some bus priority measures for getting buses from the Tyne Bridge up into the interchange.
The “mega-junction” on the Gateshead side needs seriously simplifying anyway as it takes up too much land and currently causes a huge barrier between the town and Quays.
Having southbound buses heading over the Tyne Bridge could also accommodate bus stops to service the new arena & proposed Gateshead Quays Station which would both only be a few mins walk away.
https://www.reddit.com/r/mildlyinteresti...ndroid_app&utm_source=share
Maybe the people who didn't know what a bus gate is (for those travelling into Durham, that lane by Greggs in Fram is one) had this in mind https://www.reddit.com/r/mildlyinteresti...ndroid_app&utm_source=share
Gateshead needs to invest in road signs, outside the town (is it still a metropolitan Borough) centre so drivers from elsewhere don't end up doing ridiculous loops to avoid getting snarled up in the bus lanes.
(07 Apr 2022, 10:48 pm)BusLoverMum Maybe the people who didn't know what a bus gate is (for those travelling into Durham, that lane by Greggs in Fram is one) had this in mind
Gateshead needs to invest in road signs, outside the town (is it still a metropolitan Borough) centre so drivers from elsewhere don't end up doing ridiculous loops to avoid getting snarled up in the bus lanes.
(07 Apr 2022, 10:48 pm)BusLoverMum Maybe the people who didn't know what a bus gate is (for those travelling into Durham, that lane by Greggs in Fram is one) had this in mind
Gateshead needs to invest in road signs, outside the town (is it still a metropolitan Borough) centre so drivers from elsewhere don't end up doing ridiculous loops to avoid getting snarled up in the bus lanes.
(08 Apr 2022, 6:10 am)omnicity4659 There's an apparent anti-car agenda from the council which is doing nothing but damaging the borough. The public transport network has failed, they continuously close major car parks popular with visitors, introduce charges/permits to others...and then the absurd changes to the already at capacity road network.
(08 Apr 2022, 6:10 am)omnicity4659 There's an apparent anti-car agenda from the council which is doing nothing but damaging the borough. The public transport network has failed, they continuously close major car parks popular with visitors, introduce charges/permits to others...and then the absurd changes to the already at capacity road network.
(08 Apr 2022, 7:05 am)ne14ne1 You must be living under a rock if you think these things are unique to Gateshead or indeed the North East.
Its not the 60’s anymore where car is king. Sustainable and public transport is being prioritised now in cities nationwide. We have a health and climate emergency to address.
Do you want to explain to your kids and grandkids what changes were made to improve our & their future one day or admit we sat back spinning the old anti-car agenda line.
(08 Apr 2022, 7:05 am)ne14ne1 You must be living under a rock if you think these things are unique to Gateshead or indeed the North East.
Its not the 60’s anymore where car is king. Sustainable and public transport is being prioritised now in cities nationwide. We have a health and climate emergency to address.
Do you want to explain to your kids and grandkids what changes were made to improve our & their future one day or admit we sat back spinning the old anti-car agenda line.
(08 Apr 2022, 8:58 am)omnicity4659 A failed public transport network is being prioritised over the 70+% of those who choose to drive instead. It may work elsewhere but it doesn't work here because of the lack of decent services.
It's all well and good having a bus lane that lets 5 people get there 10 minutes before everyone else, but what about the other 100 people in that queue who couldn't get on that bus because it's too expensive, they didn't know it was going to turn up...or doesn't even run from where they live!
Within city centres, e-scooter and bike hire schemes meet people's needs if they can afford it.
Park and rides work if there's actually a decent level of service provision, there's no unnecessary costs to the customer and it's accessible. We have multiple park and rides for Newcastle that aren't properly promoted, are half-arsed or cost more than driving all the way, yet those making the decisions want more?!
(08 Apr 2022, 8:58 am)omnicity4659 A failed public transport network is being prioritised over the 70+% of those who choose to drive instead. It may work elsewhere but it doesn't work here because of the lack of decent services.
It's all well and good having a bus lane that lets 5 people get there 10 minutes before everyone else, but what about the other 100 people in that queue who couldn't get on that bus because it's too expensive, they didn't know it was going to turn up...or doesn't even run from where they live!
Within city centres, e-scooter and bike hire schemes meet people's needs if they can afford it.
Park and rides work if there's actually a decent level of service provision, there's no unnecessary costs to the customer and it's accessible. We have multiple park and rides for Newcastle that aren't properly promoted, are half-arsed or cost more than driving all the way, yet those making the decisions want more?!
(08 Apr 2022, 8:58 am)omnicity4659 A failed public transport network is being prioritised over the 70+% of those who choose to drive instead. It may work elsewhere but it doesn't work here because of the lack of decent services.
It's all well and good having a bus lane that lets 5 people get there 10 minutes before everyone else, but what about the other 100 people in that queue who couldn't get on that bus because it's too expensive, they didn't know it was going to turn up...or doesn't even run from where they live!
Within city centres, e-scooter and bike hire schemes meet people's needs if they can afford it.
Park and rides work if there's actually a decent level of service provision, there's no unnecessary costs to the customer and it's accessible. We have multiple park and rides for Newcastle that aren't properly promoted, are half-arsed or cost more than driving all the way, yet those making the decisions want more?!
(08 Apr 2022, 8:58 am)omnicity4659 A failed public transport network is being prioritised over the 70+% of those who choose to drive instead. It may work elsewhere but it doesn't work here because of the lack of decent services.
It's all well and good having a bus lane that lets 5 people get there 10 minutes before everyone else, but what about the other 100 people in that queue who couldn't get on that bus because it's too expensive, they didn't know it was going to turn up...or doesn't even run from where they live!
Within city centres, e-scooter and bike hire schemes meet people's needs if they can afford it.
Park and rides work if there's actually a decent level of service provision, there's no unnecessary costs to the customer and it's accessible. We have multiple park and rides for Newcastle that aren't properly promoted, are half-arsed or cost more than driving all the way, yet those making the decisions want more?!
IMO, unless there's services using a road with a combined frequency of <5 minutes, there shouldn't be a bus lane. All they do is reduce the amount of lanes available, causing more traffic and more emissions.
