The Major Allocation Changes: July 24th Service Changes
The Major Allocation Changes: July 24th Service Changes
(26 Jul 2022, 9:16 pm)Drifter60 Can’t say I’m that au fait with the origins either but perhaps it should been have been used on the 2/2A Washington to Sunderland routes. At least it might have made some sense - and of course the 2/2A is another route that’s had more brand identities than it should have, Silver Arrows/Simplicity/Black Cats and perhaps the worst of all the incumbent ‘Sunderland District Berries’.2/2a or the 4. All pass Worm Hill.
(26 Jul 2022, 9:16 pm)Drifter60 Can’t say I’m that au fait with the origins either but perhaps it should been have been used on the 2/2A Washington to Sunderland routes. At least it might have made some sense - and of course the 2/2A is another route that’s had more brand identities than it should have, Silver Arrows/Simplicity/Black Cats and perhaps the worst of all the incumbent ‘Sunderland District Berries’.2/2a or the 4. All pass Worm Hill.
(26 Jul 2022, 9:08 pm)Andreos1 Bizarre use of branding. Initially with the 71 and then the 34.
Neither went close to Worm Hill or anywhere close to the source of the legend.
(26 Jul 2022, 9:08 pm)Andreos1 Bizarre use of branding. Initially with the 71 and then the 34.
Neither went close to Worm Hill or anywhere close to the source of the legend.
(28 Jul 2022, 9:51 am)F114TML Where's 8341 been? According to Bustimes, it's not been out since last Saturday, when it was on the 9, 5 and 61.It was sent to CLS for the 34 (where it was before Sept 2021). THen move to Consett for coverage for single decker vehicles
(31 Jul 2022, 1:22 pm)KingSlayerRBLX With Martijn saying the Versas are gonna be for the 57. Would of make sense since they are Euro VI, Had an interior refurb and of course Tap on Tap off. But now Dan saying they are not.
Who to believe?
(31 Jul 2022, 1:22 pm)KingSlayerRBLX With Martijn saying the Versas are gonna be for the 57. Would of make sense since they are Euro VI, Had an interior refurb and of course Tap on Tap off. But now Dan saying they are not.
Who to believe?
Has anything been confirmed for 6356-63 yet or will we only find out when one emerges after a paint job?
(31 Jul 2022, 5:29 pm)Malarkey Both have transferred to Consett.I should've phrased it "has lost".
(31 Jul 2022, 5:29 pm)Malarkey Both have transferred to Consett.I should've phrased it "has lost".
(31 Jul 2022, 4:42 pm)Storx The 57/58 are both being allocated Deckers almost daily now so if it's allocating something onto there. Then it'll be Deckers displaced imo.I doubt 6356-63 will end up on any non 'X-Lines' routes.
8249 - 8302 (Euro 4) - assuming withdrawn
8306 - 8309 (Euro 6)
8310 - 8318 (Euro 5)
8339 - 8342 (Euro 5)
6356 - 6363 (Euro 6)
34, 49/49A, 57, 67/69, X66, 327
All those routes pretty much don't have any buses atm and the buses are all just doing anything or sitting around idle atm. I wouldn't be surprised if 5501 - 5504 get withdrawn (if they haven't already they haven't been out since the timetable changed), with them being a microfleet, old and pretty unreliable aswell. No point keeping them so wherever the Versa's go will be for one of those imo. Not to mention Consett is seriously short of singles for the 78 since Decker's can't run on it.
(31 Jul 2022, 4:42 pm)Storx The 57/58 are both being allocated Deckers almost daily now so if it's allocating something onto there. Then it'll be Deckers displaced imo.I doubt 6356-63 will end up on any non 'X-Lines' routes.
8249 - 8302 (Euro 4) - assuming withdrawn
8306 - 8309 (Euro 6)
8310 - 8318 (Euro 5)
8339 - 8342 (Euro 5)
6356 - 6363 (Euro 6)
34, 49/49A, 57, 67/69, X66, 327
All those routes pretty much don't have any buses atm and the buses are all just doing anything or sitting around idle atm. I wouldn't be surprised if 5501 - 5504 get withdrawn (if they haven't already they haven't been out since the timetable changed), with them being a microfleet, old and pretty unreliable aswell. No point keeping them so wherever the Versa's go will be for one of those imo. Not to mention Consett is seriously short of singles for the 78 since Decker's can't run on it.
(31 Jul 2022, 4:42 pm)Storx The 57/58 are both being allocated Deckers almost daily now so if it's allocating something onto there. Then it'll be Deckers displaced imo.
8294 - 8302/6 (Euro 4) - assuming withdrawn
8307 - 8309 (Euro 6)
8310 - 8318 (Euro 5)
8339 - 8342 (Euro 5)
6356 - 6363 (Euro 6)
34, 49/49A, 57, 67/69, X66, 327
All those routes pretty much don't have any buses atm and the buses are all just doing anything or sitting around idle atm. I wouldn't be surprised if 5501 - 5504 get withdrawn (if they haven't already they haven't been out since the timetable changed), with them being a microfleet, old and pretty unreliable aswell. No point keeping them so wherever the Versa's go will be for one of those imo. Not to mention Consett is seriously short of singles for the 78 since Decker's can't run on it.
(31 Jul 2022, 4:42 pm)Storx The 57/58 are both being allocated Deckers almost daily now so if it's allocating something onto there. Then it'll be Deckers displaced imo.
8294 - 8302/6 (Euro 4) - assuming withdrawn
8307 - 8309 (Euro 6)
8310 - 8318 (Euro 5)
8339 - 8342 (Euro 5)
6356 - 6363 (Euro 6)
34, 49/49A, 57, 67/69, X66, 327
All those routes pretty much don't have any buses atm and the buses are all just doing anything or sitting around idle atm. I wouldn't be surprised if 5501 - 5504 get withdrawn (if they haven't already they haven't been out since the timetable changed), with them being a microfleet, old and pretty unreliable aswell. No point keeping them so wherever the Versa's go will be for one of those imo. Not to mention Consett is seriously short of singles for the 78 since Decker's can't run on it.
(31 Jul 2022, 6:56 pm)L469 YVK I doubt 6356-63 will end up on any non 'X-Lines' routes.
(31 Jul 2022, 6:56 pm)L469 YVK I doubt 6356-63 will end up on any non 'X-Lines' routes.
(31 Jul 2022, 6:59 pm)peter I agree that the 57 will most likely see deckers. The only thing I could think of is the 93/94, do they get good enough loadings to warrant deckers? If no, the Versa's could go on there to see the deckers go on the 57, could have all of 6149-6161 branded East Gateshead Rider - 13 buses for PVR 14, which is no different from the 10 being one short. Let's say 5384-90 go on the 93/94, 5381-3 could then go on the X66.
Just a little correction, 8306 is only Euro 4 according to the GNE fleet list (as of December). The 34 would make the most sense for 8339-42 which could displace 8299-8302 which are seemingly currently still at Chester, then 8294-98 presumably will be withdrawn following their stint at A-line. I can see 8307-18 staying on the 49/49a and 67/69 for the time being tbh, as the 49/67/69 don't need Euro 6 buses and it makes sense to keep those three euro 6 ones as it adds extra flexibility if they were needed elsewhere.
The only thing still seemingly up in the air is 6356-63 as there's still not really any obvious service for them to go on to. Part of me is honestly wondering if 6362/63 will go on the X1, with 6361 kept as the last 70 plate as an extra spare, then the 5 20-reg examples going to Oxford with the rest of the batch that was sent down there originally due to Covid.
(31 Jul 2022, 6:59 pm)peter I agree that the 57 will most likely see deckers. The only thing I could think of is the 93/94, do they get good enough loadings to warrant deckers? If no, the Versa's could go on there to see the deckers go on the 57, could have all of 6149-6161 branded East Gateshead Rider - 13 buses for PVR 14, which is no different from the 10 being one short. Let's say 5384-90 go on the 93/94, 5381-3 could then go on the X66.
Just a little correction, 8306 is only Euro 4 according to the GNE fleet list (as of December). The 34 would make the most sense for 8339-42 which could displace 8299-8302 which are seemingly currently still at Chester, then 8294-98 presumably will be withdrawn following their stint at A-line. I can see 8307-18 staying on the 49/49a and 67/69 for the time being tbh, as the 49/67/69 don't need Euro 6 buses and it makes sense to keep those three euro 6 ones as it adds extra flexibility if they were needed elsewhere.
The only thing still seemingly up in the air is 6356-63 as there's still not really any obvious service for them to go on to. Part of me is honestly wondering if 6362/63 will go on the X1, with 6361 kept as the last 70 plate as an extra spare, then the 5 20-reg examples going to Oxford with the rest of the batch that was sent down there originally due to Covid.
(31 Jul 2022, 7:19 pm)Storx See honestly if I was going to take a punt on where things will end up I kinda want to say:
8294 - 8302/6 (Euro 4) - Withdrawn
8307 - 8309 (Euro 6) - Withdrawn / Deptford Spares
8310 - 8318 (Euro 5) - 35/61 Deptford
8339 - 8342 (Euro 5) - 34
6331 - 6333 - Washington Spares
6356 - 6363 (Euro 6) - 1 to Washington / 58
6377 - X10 Spare
6149 - 6154 - 57
5453 - 5469 - 6/12/X66/Riverside Spares
Quaylink Versa's - 49/49A/67/69
5501 - 5504/5509/5510 + all 08/58 Merc's withdrawn.
5334 - 5336 - Deptford Spares
It means that all the frontline singles at Riverside are Euro 6 so you don't have problems with buses which are restricted to certain routes and the oldest fuel hungry Citaro's are gone but I do kind of agree with the feeling the Streetdeck's might leave the region aswell if I had to be honest like you said.
(31 Jul 2022, 7:19 pm)Storx See honestly if I was going to take a punt on where things will end up I kinda want to say:
8294 - 8302/6 (Euro 4) - Withdrawn
8307 - 8309 (Euro 6) - Withdrawn / Deptford Spares
8310 - 8318 (Euro 5) - 35/61 Deptford
8339 - 8342 (Euro 5) - 34
6331 - 6333 - Washington Spares
6356 - 6363 (Euro 6) - 1 to Washington / 58
6377 - X10 Spare
6149 - 6154 - 57
5453 - 5469 - 6/12/X66/Riverside Spares
Quaylink Versa's - 49/49A/67/69
5501 - 5504/5509/5510 + all 08/58 Merc's withdrawn.
5334 - 5336 - Deptford Spares
It means that all the frontline singles at Riverside are Euro 6 so you don't have problems with buses which are restricted to certain routes and the oldest fuel hungry Citaro's are gone but I do kind of agree with the feeling the Streetdeck's might leave the region aswell if I had to be honest like you said.
(31 Jul 2022, 7:35 pm)Dan Haven’t 5501-4/9/10 just been repainted and refurbished? 5510 being in service for a matter of weeks, 5509 not even being back yet?!
I’d imagine the 10-plate Citaros would be withdrawn over the B7RLEs. The B7Rs can be upgraded to Euro 6.
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(31 Jul 2022, 7:35 pm)Dan Haven’t 5501-4/9/10 just been repainted and refurbished? 5510 being in service for a matter of weeks, 5509 not even being back yet?!
I’d imagine the 10-plate Citaros would be withdrawn over the B7RLEs. The B7Rs can be upgraded to Euro 6.
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(31 Jul 2022, 8:24 pm)L469 YVK Dan, are you able to put us out of our misery? Will the engines on any X21 vehicles be Swedish/French or German?
(31 Jul 2022, 8:24 pm)L469 YVK Dan, are you able to put us out of our misery? Will the engines on any X21 vehicles be Swedish/French or German?
(31 Jul 2022, 8:47 pm)Unber43 He could be saying that 5501-5504/9/10 might be getting upgraded to Euro 6, which is the PVR of the 57 (i think)
(31 Jul 2022, 7:35 pm)Dan Haven’t 5501-4/9/10 just been repainted and refurbished? 5510 being in service for a matter of weeks, 5509 not even being back yet?!
I’d imagine the 10-plate Citaros would be withdrawn over the B7RLEs. The B7Rs can be upgraded to Euro 6.
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(31 Jul 2022, 8:47 pm)Unber43 He could be saying that 5501-5504/9/10 might be getting upgraded to Euro 6, which is the PVR of the 57 (i think)
(31 Jul 2022, 7:35 pm)Dan Haven’t 5501-4/9/10 just been repainted and refurbished? 5510 being in service for a matter of weeks, 5509 not even being back yet?!
I’d imagine the 10-plate Citaros would be withdrawn over the B7RLEs. The B7Rs can be upgraded to Euro 6.
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(31 Jul 2022, 8:47 pm)Unber43 He could be saying that 5501-5504/9/10 might be getting upgraded to Euro 6, which is the PVR of the 57 (i think)
