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03 Mar 2023, 9:07 pm #101
(03 Mar 2023, 8:19 pm)Aaron21 Odd the Arriva one places the postcode near the Walkergate depot in Byker

Well, Arriva North East are currently using the Stagecoach facility at Walkergate.

But the charging point seemed to be somewhere slightly different, back towards Newcastle, and not very far from the old depot at Byker.
Ianthegoon
03 Mar 2023, 9:07 pm #101

(03 Mar 2023, 8:19 pm)Aaron21 Odd the Arriva one places the postcode near the Walkergate depot in Byker

Well, Arriva North East are currently using the Stagecoach facility at Walkergate.

But the charging point seemed to be somewhere slightly different, back towards Newcastle, and not very far from the old depot at Byker.

Unber43



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03 Mar 2023, 9:09 pm #102
It could be a hint that Arriva might be making a new depot?
Unber43
03 Mar 2023, 9:09 pm #102

It could be a hint that Arriva might be making a new depot?

RobinHood



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03 Mar 2023, 9:20 pm #103
That postcode is the general (although not exact) location of what was planned to be the new depot, that was cancelled.

I understand the electric infrastructure will instead be built into Blyth
RobinHood
03 Mar 2023, 9:20 pm #103

That postcode is the general (although not exact) location of what was planned to be the new depot, that was cancelled.

I understand the electric infrastructure will instead be built into Blyth

Storx



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03 Mar 2023, 10:16 pm #104
(03 Mar 2023, 9:20 pm)RobinHood That postcode is the general (although not exact) location of what was planned to be the new depot, that was cancelled.

I understand the electric infrastructure will instead be built into Blyth

That confirmed? Seems extremely tight the new Blyth depot to have charging equipment around especially when now half the spaces are car parking spaces during the day for drivers.

On a side note, does anyone actually know what the plans for Walkergate are? It was assumed it was going to be Ashington, but there's still no sign of any form of planning for any extensions etc.
Storx
03 Mar 2023, 10:16 pm #104

(03 Mar 2023, 9:20 pm)RobinHood That postcode is the general (although not exact) location of what was planned to be the new depot, that was cancelled.

I understand the electric infrastructure will instead be built into Blyth

That confirmed? Seems extremely tight the new Blyth depot to have charging equipment around especially when now half the spaces are car parking spaces during the day for drivers.

On a side note, does anyone actually know what the plans for Walkergate are? It was assumed it was going to be Ashington, but there's still no sign of any form of planning for any extensions etc.

Michael



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06 Mar 2023, 8:46 pm #105
The Department for Transport has confirmed £117.8m in new funding for buses in North East England as part of the National Bus Strategy.

North East Leaders have welcomed the news which backs the formation of a formal partnership between bus operators and councils to deliver major improvements for bus passengers, set out in the North East Bus Service Improvement Plan.


https://www.nexus.org.uk/news/item/regio...nt-funding

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Michael
06 Mar 2023, 8:46 pm #105

The Department for Transport has confirmed £117.8m in new funding for buses in North East England as part of the National Bus Strategy.

North East Leaders have welcomed the news which backs the formation of a formal partnership between bus operators and councils to deliver major improvements for bus passengers, set out in the North East Bus Service Improvement Plan.


https://www.nexus.org.uk/news/item/regio...nt-funding


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Unber43



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06 Mar 2023, 8:54 pm #106
I really hope Deptford gets some investment in the new bus funding, as it really needs it. And Hartlepool
Unber43
06 Mar 2023, 8:54 pm #106

I really hope Deptford gets some investment in the new bus funding, as it really needs it. And Hartlepool

Michael



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06 Mar 2023, 8:59 pm #107
(06 Mar 2023, 8:54 pm)Unber43 I really hope Deptford gets some investment in the new bus funding, as it really needs it. And Hartlepool

No doubt, £90m for Newcastle


Scraps for the rest of the North East.

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Michael
06 Mar 2023, 8:59 pm #107

(06 Mar 2023, 8:54 pm)Unber43 I really hope Deptford gets some investment in the new bus funding, as it really needs it. And Hartlepool

No doubt, £90m for Newcastle


Scraps for the rest of the North East.


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Unber43



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06 Mar 2023, 9:01 pm #108
(06 Mar 2023, 8:59 pm)Michael No doubt, £90m for Newcastle


Scraps for the rest of the North East.
Everyone else will get newcastle scraps from the buses which have just been upgraded like always also as someone pointed out the latest electric bus routes have all had their frequency cut.
Unber43
06 Mar 2023, 9:01 pm #108

(06 Mar 2023, 8:59 pm)Michael No doubt, £90m for Newcastle


Scraps for the rest of the North East.
Everyone else will get newcastle scraps from the buses which have just been upgraded like always also as someone pointed out the latest electric bus routes have all had their frequency cut.

Storx



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06 Mar 2023, 9:25 pm #109
The BSIP isn't for buying buses that's ZEBRA. Also Hartlepool isn't in the area at all so they 100% won't be getting anything from it.
Storx
06 Mar 2023, 9:25 pm #109

The BSIP isn't for buying buses that's ZEBRA. Also Hartlepool isn't in the area at all so they 100% won't be getting anything from it.

Unber43



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06 Mar 2023, 9:25 pm #110
(06 Mar 2023, 9:25 pm)Storx The BSIP isn't for buying buses that's ZEBRA.
Last I checked ZEBRA you could only buy buses for new routes
Unber43
06 Mar 2023, 9:25 pm #110

(06 Mar 2023, 9:25 pm)Storx The BSIP isn't for buying buses that's ZEBRA.
Last I checked ZEBRA you could only buy buses for new routes

mb134



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06 Mar 2023, 10:02 pm #111
(03 Mar 2023, 10:16 pm)Storx That confirmed? Seems extremely tight the new Blyth depot to have charging equipment around especially when now half the spaces are car parking spaces during the day for drivers.

It's confirmed, they were being installed a couple of weeks back.
mb134
06 Mar 2023, 10:02 pm #111

(03 Mar 2023, 10:16 pm)Storx That confirmed? Seems extremely tight the new Blyth depot to have charging equipment around especially when now half the spaces are car parking spaces during the day for drivers.

It's confirmed, they were being installed a couple of weeks back.

Storx



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06 Mar 2023, 10:28 pm #112
(06 Mar 2023, 10:02 pm)mb134 It's confirmed, they were being installed a couple of weeks back.

Surprised at that, seems tight enough as it is without chargers in the mix aswell. Where abouts they being installed? Curious.
Storx
06 Mar 2023, 10:28 pm #112

(06 Mar 2023, 10:02 pm)mb134 It's confirmed, they were being installed a couple of weeks back.

Surprised at that, seems tight enough as it is without chargers in the mix aswell. Where abouts they being installed? Curious.

Michael



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10 Mar 2023, 2:45 pm #113
(03 Mar 2023, 7:46 pm)Michael Found this PDF last night:


Page 16:


Bus Charging Locations:


Arriva North East: NE6 2UT

Go North East: NE11 9DH

Stagecoach North East: SR5 1AQ


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Project 1: Zero Emission Buses Preparation of the Economic case for project 1 has utilised the DfT Green Buses Model, some assumptions outside of the model have been applied and are set out below. Note financial numbers in the Green Bus Model are inclusive of a 10% risk contingency which have also been included in the financial case numbers.

Key Assumptions:
•Number of replaced vehicles 52, TNE (provided from Operators),Determined by operator’s schedules

•Annual average distance per vehicle, 107,000km, (calculated from operatorfleet schedules provided to TNE)

•Infrastructure maintenance costs (Chargers); 5% of CAPEX, Default ModelValue

•Average cost per electric bus, £367,695 Single Deck, £468,000 DoubleDeck, Supplied by Bus Operators from manufacturers quotes.•Cost of diesel bus, £185,000 Single Deck, £250,000 Double Deck (Suppliedby Bus Operators provided to TNE)

•Battery Replacement Costs, £3,739,707.51 (2032/33) Yr 8, (Supplied by Bus Operators provided to TNE)

•Electricity Costs, Default GBM Value (BEIS Profile)

^ Page 41

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The second factor relates to semi-conductor shortages which are expected to continue into 2023 following the impact of the global pandemic, shortages are compounded by surging demand due to expanding digitalization, and the increased use of 5G. The order for vehicles associated with project 1 is expected to be placed in early 2023 for delivery in 2024/25, meaning we can potentially avoid these delays; however, this remains uncertain.

Page 49




Reading the PDF properly, and it looks like buses have to remain on the routes for 5 years, with no frequency cuts.


Still think 20 is far too many for just the E services, can't see Stagecoach wanting to keep 10 in the depot.
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Michael
10 Mar 2023, 2:45 pm #113

(03 Mar 2023, 7:46 pm)Michael Found this PDF last night:


Page 16:


Bus Charging Locations:


Arriva North East: NE6 2UT

Go North East: NE11 9DH

Stagecoach North East: SR5 1AQ


------------------


Project 1: Zero Emission Buses Preparation of the Economic case for project 1 has utilised the DfT Green Buses Model, some assumptions outside of the model have been applied and are set out below. Note financial numbers in the Green Bus Model are inclusive of a 10% risk contingency which have also been included in the financial case numbers.

Key Assumptions:
•Number of replaced vehicles 52, TNE (provided from Operators),Determined by operator’s schedules

•Annual average distance per vehicle, 107,000km, (calculated from operatorfleet schedules provided to TNE)

•Infrastructure maintenance costs (Chargers); 5% of CAPEX, Default ModelValue

•Average cost per electric bus, £367,695 Single Deck, £468,000 DoubleDeck, Supplied by Bus Operators from manufacturers quotes.•Cost of diesel bus, £185,000 Single Deck, £250,000 Double Deck (Suppliedby Bus Operators provided to TNE)

•Battery Replacement Costs, £3,739,707.51 (2032/33) Yr 8, (Supplied by Bus Operators provided to TNE)

•Electricity Costs, Default GBM Value (BEIS Profile)

^ Page 41

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The second factor relates to semi-conductor shortages which are expected to continue into 2023 following the impact of the global pandemic, shortages are compounded by surging demand due to expanding digitalization, and the increased use of 5G. The order for vehicles associated with project 1 is expected to be placed in early 2023 for delivery in 2024/25, meaning we can potentially avoid these delays; however, this remains uncertain.

Page 49




Reading the PDF properly, and it looks like buses have to remain on the routes for 5 years, with no frequency cuts.


Still think 20 is far too many for just the E services, can't see Stagecoach wanting to keep 10 in the depot.

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10 Mar 2023, 3:33 pm #114
(03 Mar 2023, 7:46 pm)Michael •Annual average distance per vehicle, 107,000km, (calculated from operatorfleet schedules provided to TNE)

•Infrastructure maintenance costs (Chargers); 5% of CAPEX, Default ModelValue

•Average cost per electric bus, £367,695 Single Deck, £468,000 DoubleDeck, Supplied by Bus Operators from manufacturers quotes.•Cost of diesel bus, £185,000 Single Deck, £250,000 Double Deck (Suppliedby Bus Operators provided to TNE)

•Battery Replacement Costs, £3,739,707.51 (2032/33) Yr 8, (Supplied by Bus Operators provided to TNE)

•Electricity Costs, Default GBM Value (BEIS Profile)

Must say it's no wonder they're not being bought outside of funds considering they're more expensive to run pretty much aswell.

They're literally 2x the price for a single decker taking account of the mid life battery replacement of £75k. It'll be interesting to see if we'll end up seeing buses being ditched if that doesn't come down but the price of new buses are lower. Seems silly spending £80k on a bus when you can buy a new one for £185k (Diesel or maybe Hydrogen and that point) and get twice the life out of it but that's maybe just me.
Storx
10 Mar 2023, 3:33 pm #114

(03 Mar 2023, 7:46 pm)Michael •Annual average distance per vehicle, 107,000km, (calculated from operatorfleet schedules provided to TNE)

•Infrastructure maintenance costs (Chargers); 5% of CAPEX, Default ModelValue

•Average cost per electric bus, £367,695 Single Deck, £468,000 DoubleDeck, Supplied by Bus Operators from manufacturers quotes.•Cost of diesel bus, £185,000 Single Deck, £250,000 Double Deck (Suppliedby Bus Operators provided to TNE)

•Battery Replacement Costs, £3,739,707.51 (2032/33) Yr 8, (Supplied by Bus Operators provided to TNE)

•Electricity Costs, Default GBM Value (BEIS Profile)

Must say it's no wonder they're not being bought outside of funds considering they're more expensive to run pretty much aswell.

They're literally 2x the price for a single decker taking account of the mid life battery replacement of £75k. It'll be interesting to see if we'll end up seeing buses being ditched if that doesn't come down but the price of new buses are lower. Seems silly spending £80k on a bus when you can buy a new one for £185k (Diesel or maybe Hydrogen and that point) and get twice the life out of it but that's maybe just me.

Michael



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16 Mar 2023, 8:30 pm #115
Just seen this in the buses magazine for April 2023

Durham Council outline, what they're going to use some of the £163.5m for.
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Michael
16 Mar 2023, 8:30 pm #115

Just seen this in the buses magazine for April 2023

Durham Council outline, what they're going to use some of the £163.5m for.

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16 Mar 2023, 8:59 pm #116
I hope Tyne & Wear & Co.Durham come together with some joint ticketing for all operators for like £6
Unber43
16 Mar 2023, 8:59 pm #116

I hope Tyne & Wear & Co.Durham come together with some joint ticketing for all operators for like £6

BusLoverMum



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16 Mar 2023, 10:23 pm #117
(16 Mar 2023, 8:59 pm)Unber43 I hope Tyne & Wear & Co.Durham come together with some joint ticketing for all operators for like £6
"multimodal tickets for various regional zones with a top price if £6.80"
BusLoverMum
16 Mar 2023, 10:23 pm #117

(16 Mar 2023, 8:59 pm)Unber43 I hope Tyne & Wear & Co.Durham come together with some joint ticketing for all operators for like £6
"multimodal tickets for various regional zones with a top price if £6.80"

Michael



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29 Apr 2023, 11:05 am #118
Any updates on what buses the companies have chosen for their routes, and when work will be begin installing the chargers at the Wheatsheaf and the Arriva depot?

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Michael
29 Apr 2023, 11:05 am #118

Any updates on what buses the companies have chosen for their routes, and when work will be begin installing the chargers at the Wheatsheaf and the Arriva depot?


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