Qualifying Agreement - A1058 Coast Road
Qualifying Agreement - A1058 Coast Road
(14 Jan 2024, 10:58 pm)Storx Disagree with these, the 306 extension is about linking Tynemouth and Morrisons, not Newcastle. The vast majority of people in Cullercoats walk the small walk to the Metro and save around 30 minutes, especially since it's pretty much 12 TPH from there as you can realistically go either way.I get the logic of a more 'full time' express route to Coablt. But, would it make money off peak?
The X38 also doesn't make sense. Any express route should be:
Newcastle - Corner House - NON STOP - Battle Hill (Coast Road) - Tyne Met College (Embleton Avenue) - Silverlink (The Silverlink) - Cobalt - Whitley Bay - Blyth
Cobalt is a destination in it's right heading away from Newcastle, and office workers don't want to go on a magical mystery tour around Battle Hill. You now don't have the problem with people having to change buses anymore.
The 306/307/308 then all could serve Battle Hill. Lynn Road really isn't that important to warrant an express service and you'd solve the 306/308 issue at Battle Hill.
(14 Jan 2024, 10:58 pm)Storx Disagree with these, the 306 extension is about linking Tynemouth and Morrisons, not Newcastle. The vast majority of people in Cullercoats walk the small walk to the Metro and save around 30 minutes, especially since it's pretty much 12 TPH from there as you can realistically go either way.I get the logic of a more 'full time' express route to Coablt. But, would it make money off peak?
The X38 also doesn't make sense. Any express route should be:
Newcastle - Corner House - NON STOP - Battle Hill (Coast Road) - Tyne Met College (Embleton Avenue) - Silverlink (The Silverlink) - Cobalt - Whitley Bay - Blyth
Cobalt is a destination in it's right heading away from Newcastle, and office workers don't want to go on a magical mystery tour around Battle Hill. You now don't have the problem with people having to change buses anymore.
The 306/307/308 then all could serve Battle Hill. Lynn Road really isn't that important to warrant an express service and you'd solve the 306/308 issue at Battle Hill.
(15 Jan 2024, 8:45 am)L469 YVK I get the logic of a more 'full time' express route to Coablt. But, would it make money off peak?
At least via Billy Mill, it would still have a chance picking up reasonable loads plus....throw a busy shopping / event day in or a matchday, could easily leave Willington Square with an almost full double decker.
Going via Cobalt would lose the Social, Domestic and Pleasure traffic. Something that makes the 308 money on top of commuters.
(15 Jan 2024, 8:45 am)L469 YVK I get the logic of a more 'full time' express route to Coablt. But, would it make money off peak?
At least via Billy Mill, it would still have a chance picking up reasonable loads plus....throw a busy shopping / event day in or a matchday, could easily leave Willington Square with an almost full double decker.
Going via Cobalt would lose the Social, Domestic and Pleasure traffic. Something that makes the 308 money on top of commuters.
Cobalt is probably at its peak for express services to be honest, the bigger employers are still hybrid and office days a result tend to be a more traditional 8-4/9–5 approach. You’ll see 309s and 22s carry fresh air through cobalt during the day
The 22X and X39 tend to be well loaded and whilst the 39 used to be the busier, since the strike and integrated ticketing the 22X seem more popular (possibly because it doesn’t stop at all stops from Cradlewell into Newcastle which does slow the X39 down and limit the diversion options)
(16 Jan 2024, 10:06 pm)Ambassador Cobalt is probably at its peak for express services to be honest, the bigger employers are still hybrid and office days a result tend to be a more traditional 8-4/9–5 approach. You’ll see 309s and 22s carry fresh air through cobalt during the day
The 22X and X39 tend to be well loaded and whilst the 39 used to be the busier, since the strike and integrated ticketing the 22X seem more popular (possibly because it doesn’t stop at all stops from Cradlewell into Newcastle which does slow the X39 down and limit the diversion options)
(16 Jan 2024, 10:06 pm)Ambassador Cobalt is probably at its peak for express services to be honest, the bigger employers are still hybrid and office days a result tend to be a more traditional 8-4/9–5 approach. You’ll see 309s and 22s carry fresh air through cobalt during the day
The 22X and X39 tend to be well loaded and whilst the 39 used to be the busier, since the strike and integrated ticketing the 22X seem more popular (possibly because it doesn’t stop at all stops from Cradlewell into Newcastle which does slow the X39 down and limit the diversion options)
As promised
(21 Jan 2024, 12:58 pm)L469 YVK As promised
Arriva times and Go North East times colour coordinated accordingly too. Note that Sunday daytime X10/X11's would need to interwork with service 306. Stand's L & M at Haymarket would also need barriers removed and merged into a bigger Stand L with 2x bays (you'll see what I mean in the timetable).
Another consideration.....would the X38/308 continue to run via Ridley Park, or could Ridley Park maybe be picked up by an alternative service so that the X38/308 can retain some of the links provided on the Broadway by service 309?
In a nutshell, the whole motives behind the suggested changes are:
* Reduce overbussing especially between NT Hospital and Blyth.
* Improve reliability especially between Blyth and North Tyneside - more robust timetables that should hopefully cover a 'sunny day'.
* Improved links for the Marden Estate and quicker journey time into Newcastle.
* Reduced wastage such as the long evening 306 & 307 layovers in Tynemouth & North Shields.
(21 Jan 2024, 12:58 pm)L469 YVK As promised
Arriva times and Go North East times colour coordinated accordingly too. Note that Sunday daytime X10/X11's would need to interwork with service 306. Stand's L & M at Haymarket would also need barriers removed and merged into a bigger Stand L with 2x bays (you'll see what I mean in the timetable).
Another consideration.....would the X38/308 continue to run via Ridley Park, or could Ridley Park maybe be picked up by an alternative service so that the X38/308 can retain some of the links provided on the Broadway by service 309?
In a nutshell, the whole motives behind the suggested changes are:
* Reduce overbussing especially between NT Hospital and Blyth.
* Improve reliability especially between Blyth and North Tyneside - more robust timetables that should hopefully cover a 'sunny day'.
* Improved links for the Marden Estate and quicker journey time into Newcastle.
* Reduced wastage such as the long evening 306 & 307 layovers in Tynemouth & North Shields.
(21 Jan 2024, 2:28 pm)Storx That 309 would carry around fresh air, it's literally resurrecting the X9 from around 2012, which failed miserably as it's way too long from Marden estate and serves nothing else in the process. Only someone mad would use it over the X38 as it's not competitive from Whitley Bay.Each route would have a different purpose though, hence reducing the whole 'overlap'. If someone was travelling from Whitley Bay, Foxhunters (including parts Marden if able to walk) or Preston Grange to Newcastle, they'd likely use the X38/308.
(21 Jan 2024, 2:28 pm)Storx That 309 would carry around fresh air, it's literally resurrecting the X9 from around 2012, which failed miserably as it's way too long from Marden estate and serves nothing else in the process. Only someone mad would use it over the X38 as it's not competitive from Whitley Bay.Each route would have a different purpose though, hence reducing the whole 'overlap'. If someone was travelling from Whitley Bay, Foxhunters (including parts Marden if able to walk) or Preston Grange to Newcastle, they'd likely use the X38/308.
(21 Jan 2024, 12:58 pm)L469 YVK As promised
In a nutshell, the whole motives behind the suggested changes are:
* Reduce overbussing especially between NT Hospital and Blyth.
* Improve reliability especially between Blyth and North Tyneside - more robust timetables that should hopefully cover a 'sunny day'.
* Improved links for the Marden Estate and quicker journey time into Newcastle.
* Reduced wastage such as the long evening 306 & 307 layovers in Tynemouth & North Shields.
(21 Jan 2024, 12:58 pm)L469 YVK As promised
In a nutshell, the whole motives behind the suggested changes are:
* Reduce overbussing especially between NT Hospital and Blyth.
* Improve reliability especially between Blyth and North Tyneside - more robust timetables that should hopefully cover a 'sunny day'.
* Improved links for the Marden Estate and quicker journey time into Newcastle.
* Reduced wastage such as the long evening 306 & 307 layovers in Tynemouth & North Shields.
(21 Jan 2024, 6:05 pm)mb134 The "X38" takes longer between Blyth and Newcastle than the current 308? How would they try and spin that as an express?
It's also slower than your proposed evening all stops 308?
(21 Jan 2024, 6:05 pm)mb134 The "X38" takes longer between Blyth and Newcastle than the current 308? How would they try and spin that as an express?
It's also slower than your proposed evening all stops 308?
(21 Jan 2024, 5:36 pm)L469 YVK Each route would have a different purpose though, hence reducing the whole 'overlap'. If someone was travelling from Whitley Bay, Foxhunters (including parts Marden if able to walk) or Preston Grange to Newcastle, they'd likely use the X38/308.
306 purpose:
- Metro replacement if Metro is off
- Tynemouth, North Shields, Collingwood, Chirton, Silverlink
- All stops along the Coast Road (with some feed from the X38)
- Coast Road / Station Road to Newcastle
307 purpose:
- North Shields, Meadowell, Chirton, New York Hadrian Park, Battle Hill, High Farm
- Battle Hill > High Farm > Coast Road / Station Road to Newcastle
X38 purpose (evening 308 still serving all stops):
- Willington Square, Silverlink, Chirton, Preston Grange, Foxhunters, Hillheads, Whitley Bay, The Coast, Blyth
- Blyth to Cobalt (with change onto 309 at Whitley Bay or NT Hospital)
- Seaton Sluice, Whitley Bay, Hillheads, Foxhunters, Preston Grange, Chirton, Silverlink, Willington Square fast to High Heaton, Jesmond, Newcastle
309 purpose:
- Blyth to Cobalt link (in conjunction with X38)
- Marden to Newcastle (still faster than 306)
- Marden to NT Hospital direct link re-instated.
- Offers some locations or nearby locations previously covered by 308 and no longer observed by X38.
- Cobalt then Battle Hill > High Farm > Coast Road / Station Road to Newcastle
Also looking at current common corridors:
- Coast Road / Station Road to Newcastle - excluding the X38 from Corner House, reduced from 12bph to 9bph. Likely that 306, 307 and 309 will carry more passengers as a result along this stretch
- Battle Hill to Newcastle - reduced from 9bph to 6bph, 307 and 309 will carry more passengers
- Billy Mill to Newcastle - some will tend towards X38 although coincidentally still 'some' headway with 306. But the 306 would mainly be focussed on any passengers needing all stops along the Coast Road as opposed to more into High Heaton, Jesmond or Newcastle.
- Preston Grange, Foxhunters, Hillheads, Whitley Bay, The Coast, Blyth - Reduced from 6bph to 3bph. Therefore, X38 would likely carry more on this stretch.
Speaking of the Ridley Park or Broadway issue in Blyth, if GNE decided to do a u-turn for the umpteenth time on extending the Coaster to wherever in Gateshead and instead curtail at Gateshead Interchange or Newcastle.......could be an opportunity to open up a new full coastal link to Blyth and solve the Ridley Park issue out. Although, would need re-numbered 301 in-case some poor soul intending going to Bedlington Station or Ashington ended up in Wallsend or Walkergate haha!
(21 Jan 2024, 5:36 pm)L469 YVK Each route would have a different purpose though, hence reducing the whole 'overlap'. If someone was travelling from Whitley Bay, Foxhunters (including parts Marden if able to walk) or Preston Grange to Newcastle, they'd likely use the X38/308.
306 purpose:
- Metro replacement if Metro is off
- Tynemouth, North Shields, Collingwood, Chirton, Silverlink
- All stops along the Coast Road (with some feed from the X38)
- Coast Road / Station Road to Newcastle
307 purpose:
- North Shields, Meadowell, Chirton, New York Hadrian Park, Battle Hill, High Farm
- Battle Hill > High Farm > Coast Road / Station Road to Newcastle
X38 purpose (evening 308 still serving all stops):
- Willington Square, Silverlink, Chirton, Preston Grange, Foxhunters, Hillheads, Whitley Bay, The Coast, Blyth
- Blyth to Cobalt (with change onto 309 at Whitley Bay or NT Hospital)
- Seaton Sluice, Whitley Bay, Hillheads, Foxhunters, Preston Grange, Chirton, Silverlink, Willington Square fast to High Heaton, Jesmond, Newcastle
309 purpose:
- Blyth to Cobalt link (in conjunction with X38)
- Marden to Newcastle (still faster than 306)
- Marden to NT Hospital direct link re-instated.
- Offers some locations or nearby locations previously covered by 308 and no longer observed by X38.
- Cobalt then Battle Hill > High Farm > Coast Road / Station Road to Newcastle
Also looking at current common corridors:
- Coast Road / Station Road to Newcastle - excluding the X38 from Corner House, reduced from 12bph to 9bph. Likely that 306, 307 and 309 will carry more passengers as a result along this stretch
- Battle Hill to Newcastle - reduced from 9bph to 6bph, 307 and 309 will carry more passengers
- Billy Mill to Newcastle - some will tend towards X38 although coincidentally still 'some' headway with 306. But the 306 would mainly be focussed on any passengers needing all stops along the Coast Road as opposed to more into High Heaton, Jesmond or Newcastle.
- Preston Grange, Foxhunters, Hillheads, Whitley Bay, The Coast, Blyth - Reduced from 6bph to 3bph. Therefore, X38 would likely carry more on this stretch.
Speaking of the Ridley Park or Broadway issue in Blyth, if GNE decided to do a u-turn for the umpteenth time on extending the Coaster to wherever in Gateshead and instead curtail at Gateshead Interchange or Newcastle.......could be an opportunity to open up a new full coastal link to Blyth and solve the Ridley Park issue out. Although, would need re-numbered 301 in-case some poor soul intending going to Bedlington Station or Ashington ended up in Wallsend or Walkergate haha!
See I would spin this service on the head.
I would re-introduce the service 311 and create it as an express service
Newcastle - Corner House -CHILLINGHAM Road Roundabout then express to chicken Road ramp area but direct then every stop through battlehill then a bizarre loop along to the B&Q roundabout where the Police station and Wallsend pub is loop round the roundabout then head up to hadrian Park and do the loop
This random loop is key ( it's about 1min added journey at present it's worth it)
We have then created an express route and dealt with Hadrian Park
307 doesn't go round the the loop at haridan Park and becomes an express except at night
Every bus 306 307 308 309 (311 example service) serves the link to serve police station B&Q Wallsend pub
We then create a mini hub/bus station to interlink with services
It also means using the 311 service it can create an express service but act as a feeder service to reuglate a later running service eg...
A 311 service could have the driver say anyone want the 308 service is to board this bus we will meet the bus at battlehill for your onward journey (the 308 could even terminate at Chillingham Road and meet the service
The purpose of the 311 is to create an express service but also a service to regulate a late service
Thought of this after taking into account some other ideas posted by other members. This one also includes some of the ex-Arriva secondary services, but the PVR re-allocated and also forms an interworking pattern.
306/307/308/309 (Newcastle - Coast Road - Selby Gardens - Battle Hill Drive)
- Every 30 mins each
- Every 7-8 minutes combined
306 - Go North East (PVR 4x)
- No longer operates between Tynemouth and Whitley Bay
- Same route but additionally serves North Shields interchange
- Better coordination with revised 307
307 - Go North East (PVR 3x)
- Same route as 306 to Silverlink then via Norham Road, Verne Road, The Quadrant, Delaval Avenue, Billy Mill Avenue and Albion Road toNorth Shields Interchange
- Better coordination with 306 to and from North Shields....actually slightly faster by a few minutes
308 - Go North East (PVR 4x)
- Same route as 309 after Battle Hill Drive to Cobalt then New York Road, Norham Road North, Westminster Avenue, NT Hospital and Marden Estate to Whitley Bay
- Up to 15 minute frequency NT Hospital to Newcastle via New York & Cobalt
309 - Arriva Northumbria (PVR 5x**)
- Same 309 route as now after Battle Hill Drive
- Provides upto 15 minute service with X38 NT Hospital to Blyth
X38 - Arriva Northumbria (PVR 5x**)
- Every 30 minutes
- Same as current 308 Blyth to Wallsend Dene then non stop to Civic Centre, St Mary's Place and Haymarket
- Provides upto 15 minute service with 309 NT Hospital to Blyth
** X38 & 309 interwork in Blyth
Arriva would lose a PVR of 5x, but would also lose most of their dead mileage
The other ideas.....
300 - Go North East (PVR 4.5x***)
- Every 30 minutes
- Newcastle to North Shields via Coast Road, Cross Avenue, Wiltshire Drive, High Farm, Battle Hill, Hadrian Park, Middle Engine Lane, Norham Road, Wallsend Road, Ripley Avenue and Meadowell
36 - Go North East (PVR 4.5***)
- Re-numbered from 353 and increased to every 30 minutes
- Every 15 minutes combined with Stagecoach's 37 Killingworth to Cramlington with ticket acceptance on both services
*** Services 300 & 36 interwork in North Shields
The other ex-Arriva services
- 351 - Omits Wiltshire Drive
- 352 - Withdrawn
- 354 - Can be replaced by............
* 359 which does the old 335 loop in New York & Murton.
* X63 > becomes service 356 doing the Killingworth loop then old 54/356 route to Newcastle. X63 still runs during peaks.
- 355 replaced by 38 and 356. X7/X8 observe all stops Matthews Bank to Newcastle all day as per current evening arrangements.
- Through fares on service 359 & 335 as far as Four Lane Ends to keep some connections from the 354.
(24 Feb 2024, 11:27 am)L469 YVK Thought of this after taking into account some other ideas posted by other members. This one also includes some of the ex-Arriva secondary services, but the PVR re-allocated and also forms an interworking pattern.
306/307/308/309 (Newcastle - Coast Road - Selby Gardens - Battle Hill Drive)
- Every 30 mins each
- Every 7-8 minutes combined
306 - Go North East (PVR 4x)
- No longer operates between Tynemouth and Whitley Bay
- Same route but additionally serves North Shields interchange
- Better coordination with revised 307
307 - Go North East (PVR 3x)
- Same route as 306 to Silverlink then via Norham Road, Verne Road, The Quadrant, Delaval Avenue, Billy Mill Avenue and Albion Road toNorth Shields Interchange
- Better coordination with 306 to and from North Shields....actually slightly faster by a few minutes
308 - Go North East (PVR 4x)
- Same route as 309 after Battle Hill Drive to Cobalt then New York Road, Norham Road North, Westminster Avenue, NT Hospital and Marden Estate to Whitley Bay
- Up to 15 minute frequency NT Hospital to Newcastle via New York & Cobalt
309 - Arriva Northumbria (PVR 5x**)
- Same 309 route as now after Battle Hill Drive
- Provides upto 15 minute service with X38 NT Hospital to Blyth
X38 - Arriva Northumbria (PVR 5x**)
- Every 30 minutes
- Same as current 308 Blyth to Wallsend Dene then non stop to Civic Centre, St Mary's Place and Haymarket
- Provides upto 15 minute service with 309 NT Hospital to Blyth
** X38 & 309 interwork in Blyth
Arriva would lose a PVR of 5x, but would also lose most of their dead mileage
The other ideas.....
300 - Go North East (PVR 4.5x***)
- Every 30 minutes
- Newcastle to North Shields via Coast Road, Cross Avenue, Wiltshire Drive, High Farm, Battle Hill, Hadrian Park, Middle Engine Lane, Norham Road, Wallsend Road, Ripley Avenue and Meadowell
36 - Go North East (PVR 4.5***)
- Re-numbered from 353 and increased to every 30 minutes
- Every 15 minutes combined with Stagecoach's 37 Killingworth to Cramlington with ticket acceptance on both services
*** Services 300 & 36 interwork in North Shields
The other ex-Arriva services
- 351 - Omits Wiltshire Drive
- 352 - Withdrawn
- 354 - Can be replaced by............
* 359 which does the old 335 loop in New York & Murton.
* X63 > becomes service 356 doing the Killingworth loop then old 54/356 route to Newcastle. X63 still runs during peaks.
- 355 replaced by 38 and 356. X7/X8 observe all stops Matthews Bank to Newcastle all day as per current evening arrangements.
- Through fares on service 359 & 335 as far as Four Lane Ends to keep some connections from the 354.
(24 Feb 2024, 11:27 am)L469 YVK Thought of this after taking into account some other ideas posted by other members. This one also includes some of the ex-Arriva secondary services, but the PVR re-allocated and also forms an interworking pattern.
306/307/308/309 (Newcastle - Coast Road - Selby Gardens - Battle Hill Drive)
- Every 30 mins each
- Every 7-8 minutes combined
306 - Go North East (PVR 4x)
- No longer operates between Tynemouth and Whitley Bay
- Same route but additionally serves North Shields interchange
- Better coordination with revised 307
307 - Go North East (PVR 3x)
- Same route as 306 to Silverlink then via Norham Road, Verne Road, The Quadrant, Delaval Avenue, Billy Mill Avenue and Albion Road toNorth Shields Interchange
- Better coordination with 306 to and from North Shields....actually slightly faster by a few minutes
308 - Go North East (PVR 4x)
- Same route as 309 after Battle Hill Drive to Cobalt then New York Road, Norham Road North, Westminster Avenue, NT Hospital and Marden Estate to Whitley Bay
- Up to 15 minute frequency NT Hospital to Newcastle via New York & Cobalt
309 - Arriva Northumbria (PVR 5x**)
- Same 309 route as now after Battle Hill Drive
- Provides upto 15 minute service with X38 NT Hospital to Blyth
X38 - Arriva Northumbria (PVR 5x**)
- Every 30 minutes
- Same as current 308 Blyth to Wallsend Dene then non stop to Civic Centre, St Mary's Place and Haymarket
- Provides upto 15 minute service with 309 NT Hospital to Blyth
** X38 & 309 interwork in Blyth
Arriva would lose a PVR of 5x, but would also lose most of their dead mileage
The other ideas.....
300 - Go North East (PVR 4.5x***)
- Every 30 minutes
- Newcastle to North Shields via Coast Road, Cross Avenue, Wiltshire Drive, High Farm, Battle Hill, Hadrian Park, Middle Engine Lane, Norham Road, Wallsend Road, Ripley Avenue and Meadowell
36 - Go North East (PVR 4.5***)
- Re-numbered from 353 and increased to every 30 minutes
- Every 15 minutes combined with Stagecoach's 37 Killingworth to Cramlington with ticket acceptance on both services
*** Services 300 & 36 interwork in North Shields
The other ex-Arriva services
- 351 - Omits Wiltshire Drive
- 352 - Withdrawn
- 354 - Can be replaced by............
* 359 which does the old 335 loop in New York & Murton.
* X63 > becomes service 356 doing the Killingworth loop then old 54/356 route to Newcastle. X63 still runs during peaks.
- 355 replaced by 38 and 356. X7/X8 observe all stops Matthews Bank to Newcastle all day as per current evening arrangements.
- Through fares on service 359 & 335 as far as Four Lane Ends to keep some connections from the 354.
(24 Feb 2024, 11:27 am)L469 YVK Thought of this after taking into account some other ideas posted by other members. This one also includes some of the ex-Arriva secondary services, but the PVR re-allocated and also forms an interworking pattern.
306/307/308/309 (Newcastle - Coast Road - Selby Gardens - Battle Hill Drive)
- Every 30 mins each
- Every 7-8 minutes combined
306 - Go North East (PVR 4x)
- No longer operates between Tynemouth and Whitley Bay
- Same route but additionally serves North Shields interchange
- Better coordination with revised 307
307 - Go North East (PVR 3x)
- Same route as 306 to Silverlink then via Norham Road, Verne Road, The Quadrant, Delaval Avenue, Billy Mill Avenue and Albion Road toNorth Shields Interchange
- Better coordination with 306 to and from North Shields....actually slightly faster by a few minutes
308 - Go North East (PVR 4x)
- Same route as 309 after Battle Hill Drive to Cobalt then New York Road, Norham Road North, Westminster Avenue, NT Hospital and Marden Estate to Whitley Bay
- Up to 15 minute frequency NT Hospital to Newcastle via New York & Cobalt
309 - Arriva Northumbria (PVR 5x**)
- Same 309 route as now after Battle Hill Drive
- Provides upto 15 minute service with X38 NT Hospital to Blyth
X38 - Arriva Northumbria (PVR 5x**)
- Every 30 minutes
- Same as current 308 Blyth to Wallsend Dene then non stop to Civic Centre, St Mary's Place and Haymarket
- Provides upto 15 minute service with 309 NT Hospital to Blyth
** X38 & 309 interwork in Blyth
Arriva would lose a PVR of 5x, but would also lose most of their dead mileage
The other ideas.....
300 - Go North East (PVR 4.5x***)
- Every 30 minutes
- Newcastle to North Shields via Coast Road, Cross Avenue, Wiltshire Drive, High Farm, Battle Hill, Hadrian Park, Middle Engine Lane, Norham Road, Wallsend Road, Ripley Avenue and Meadowell
36 - Go North East (PVR 4.5***)
- Re-numbered from 353 and increased to every 30 minutes
- Every 15 minutes combined with Stagecoach's 37 Killingworth to Cramlington with ticket acceptance on both services
*** Services 300 & 36 interwork in North Shields
The other ex-Arriva services
- 351 - Omits Wiltshire Drive
- 352 - Withdrawn
- 354 - Can be replaced by............
* 359 which does the old 335 loop in New York & Murton.
* X63 > becomes service 356 doing the Killingworth loop then old 54/356 route to Newcastle. X63 still runs during peaks.
- 355 replaced by 38 and 356. X7/X8 observe all stops Matthews Bank to Newcastle all day as per current evening arrangements.
- Through fares on service 359 & 335 as far as Four Lane Ends to keep some connections from the 354.
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(24 Feb 2024, 11:27 am)L469 YVK Thought of this after taking into account some other ideas posted by other members. This one also includes some of the ex-Arriva secondary services, but the PVR re-allocated and also forms an interworking pattern.
306/307/308/309 (Newcastle - Coast Road - Selby Gardens - Battle Hill Drive)
- Every 30 mins each
- Every 7-8 minutes combined
306 - Go North East (PVR 4x)
- No longer operates between Tynemouth and Whitley Bay
- Same route but additionally serves North Shields interchange
- Better coordination with revised 307
307 - Go North East (PVR 3x)
- Same route as 306 to Silverlink then via Norham Road, Verne Road, The Quadrant, Delaval Avenue, Billy Mill Avenue and Albion Road toNorth Shields Interchange
- Better coordination with 306 to and from North Shields....actually slightly faster by a few minutes
308 - Go North East (PVR 4x)
- Same route as 309 after Battle Hill Drive to Cobalt then New York Road, Norham Road North, Westminster Avenue, NT Hospital and Marden Estate to Whitley Bay
- Up to 15 minute frequency NT Hospital to Newcastle via New York & Cobalt
309 - Arriva Northumbria (PVR 5x**)
- Same 309 route as now after Battle Hill Drive
- Provides upto 15 minute service with X38 NT Hospital to Blyth
X38 - Arriva Northumbria (PVR 5x**)
- Every 30 minutes
- Same as current 308 Blyth to Wallsend Dene then non stop to Civic Centre, St Mary's Place and Haymarket
- Provides upto 15 minute service with 309 NT Hospital to Blyth
** X38 & 309 interwork in Blyth
Arriva would lose a PVR of 5x, but would also lose most of their dead mileage
The other ideas.....
300 - Go North East (PVR 4.5x***)
- Every 30 minutes
- Newcastle to North Shields via Coast Road, Cross Avenue, Wiltshire Drive, High Farm, Battle Hill, Hadrian Park, Middle Engine Lane, Norham Road, Wallsend Road, Ripley Avenue and Meadowell
36 - Go North East (PVR 4.5***)
- Re-numbered from 353 and increased to every 30 minutes
- Every 15 minutes combined with Stagecoach's 37 Killingworth to Cramlington with ticket acceptance on both services
*** Services 300 & 36 interwork in North Shields
The other ex-Arriva services
- 351 - Omits Wiltshire Drive
- 352 - Withdrawn
- 354 - Can be replaced by............
* 359 which does the old 335 loop in New York & Murton.
* X63 > becomes service 356 doing the Killingworth loop then old 54/356 route to Newcastle. X63 still runs during peaks.
- 355 replaced by 38 and 356. X7/X8 observe all stops Matthews Bank to Newcastle all day as per current evening arrangements.
- Through fares on service 359 & 335 as far as Four Lane Ends to keep some connections from the 354.
(24 Feb 2024, 1:27 pm)Aaron21 How it feels always a service suggestion for the coast road for whatever reasonHaha, fair enough. But there is a serious issue though. GNE & Arriva have added running time for March's changes. And that's without thousands of homes propped up. The traffic siutation is only going to get worse and ever since the 44 was withdrawn, the east of North Tyneside has been crying out for an express.
(24 Feb 2024, 11:51 am)Storx For once, don't really disagree with the Coast Road changes, the only thing I'd personally say is terminate the 309 short at Whitley Bay and instead the extend the 306 through from Tynemouth to Blyth.Only issue with the 354 replacement if the 359 wasn't to run, would be the lack of NT Hospital to Backworth / Killingworth service.
I actually think in the leisure months having a Coastal bus which runs the whole stretch from North Shields to Blyth via Tynemouth, Seaton Sluice and Whitley Bay could actually be quite popular. It's some different destinations from Blyth than 'another' bus to Newcastle.
Personally though I'd keep the 354 but change it and run it something like this every 30 minutes, every hour on the two separate sections:
It would open quite a few links up especially to Gosforth which is quite difficult to get to without doubling back via Newcastle and also sort out the 351 without it going anywhere near the Coast Road. At the same time, you could cancel the W2 and 335 as neither are really needed anymore, I know there'll be the odd moan from the likes of Hadrian Park to ASDA but it's not worth the tax payers money, all the unique sections which are currently unserved at all are covered. The 335 could however maybe run once a day as a workers service to Quorum - maybe extending to Cobalt to open those links
(24 Feb 2024, 1:27 pm)Aaron21 How it feels always a service suggestion for the coast road for whatever reasonHaha, fair enough. But there is a serious issue though. GNE & Arriva have added running time for March's changes. And that's without thousands of homes propped up. The traffic siutation is only going to get worse and ever since the 44 was withdrawn, the east of North Tyneside has been crying out for an express.
(24 Feb 2024, 11:51 am)Storx For once, don't really disagree with the Coast Road changes, the only thing I'd personally say is terminate the 309 short at Whitley Bay and instead the extend the 306 through from Tynemouth to Blyth.Only issue with the 354 replacement if the 359 wasn't to run, would be the lack of NT Hospital to Backworth / Killingworth service.
I actually think in the leisure months having a Coastal bus which runs the whole stretch from North Shields to Blyth via Tynemouth, Seaton Sluice and Whitley Bay could actually be quite popular. It's some different destinations from Blyth than 'another' bus to Newcastle.
Personally though I'd keep the 354 but change it and run it something like this every 30 minutes, every hour on the two separate sections:
It would open quite a few links up especially to Gosforth which is quite difficult to get to without doubling back via Newcastle and also sort out the 351 without it going anywhere near the Coast Road. At the same time, you could cancel the W2 and 335 as neither are really needed anymore, I know there'll be the odd moan from the likes of Hadrian Park to ASDA but it's not worth the tax payers money, all the unique sections which are currently unserved at all are covered. The 335 could however maybe run once a day as a workers service to Quorum - maybe extending to Cobalt to open those links
(24 Feb 2024, 5:44 pm)L469 YVK Haha, fair enough. But there is a serious issue though. GNE & Arriva have added running time for March's changes. And that's without thousands of homes propped up. The traffic siutation is only going to get worse and ever since the 44 was withdrawn, the east of North Tyneside has been crying out for an express.
If GNE, Arriva & NOTCA/TNE get it right, it could create future growth.
Only issue with the 354 replacement if the 359 wasn't to run, would be the lack of NT Hospital to Backworth / Killingworth service.
Only thing is could the 359 still run, or maybe interwork with one of the 351/354 replacements?
(24 Feb 2024, 5:44 pm)L469 YVK Haha, fair enough. But there is a serious issue though. GNE & Arriva have added running time for March's changes. And that's without thousands of homes propped up. The traffic siutation is only going to get worse and ever since the 44 was withdrawn, the east of North Tyneside has been crying out for an express.
If GNE, Arriva & NOTCA/TNE get it right, it could create future growth.
Only issue with the 354 replacement if the 359 wasn't to run, would be the lack of NT Hospital to Backworth / Killingworth service.
Only thing is could the 359 still run, or maybe interwork with one of the 351/354 replacements?
(24 Feb 2024, 6:27 pm)Storx I'd probably see what could be done with the 359, could you run it through Monkseaton for example maybe instead and give links to the hospital from there for example.The 342 between Kingston Park and Wideopen is often busy. It's a popular shopping route for people in Hazlerigg/Wideopen/Seaton Burn to either Tesco at Kingston Park or Morrisons at Killingworth.
If you pull it out of the 351/335 though it could be ran with breadvans which would save money. There's absolutely no need for Streetlites on there. There's still need for the hospital links either way or maybe it could be an extended 342 with the 342 curtailed between to only Killingworth and Wallsend. It's a right dog leg route right now and the 342 is not busy West of Killingworth either whenever I see it.
(24 Feb 2024, 6:27 pm)Storx I'd probably see what could be done with the 359, could you run it through Monkseaton for example maybe instead and give links to the hospital from there for example.The 342 between Kingston Park and Wideopen is often busy. It's a popular shopping route for people in Hazlerigg/Wideopen/Seaton Burn to either Tesco at Kingston Park or Morrisons at Killingworth.
If you pull it out of the 351/335 though it could be ran with breadvans which would save money. There's absolutely no need for Streetlites on there. There's still need for the hospital links either way or maybe it could be an extended 342 with the 342 curtailed between to only Killingworth and Wallsend. It's a right dog leg route right now and the 342 is not busy West of Killingworth either whenever I see it.
(24 Feb 2024, 7:00 pm)Shrek The 342 between Kingston Park and Wideopen is often busy. It's a popular shopping route for people in Hazlerigg/Wideopen/Seaton Burn to either Tesco at Kingston Park or Morrisons at Killingworth.
(24 Feb 2024, 7:00 pm)Shrek The 342 between Kingston Park and Wideopen is often busy. It's a popular shopping route for people in Hazlerigg/Wideopen/Seaton Burn to either Tesco at Kingston Park or Morrisons at Killingworth.
Abort abort abort
Why in gods name would you change bus service routes numbers
Changing route numbers create complications
Changing routes adds to passengers not using services as they are confused
Even if it is a yearly leisure trip
