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S830OFT



1,395
18 Sep 2019, 6:54 pm #921
<p>94: This new service will operate up to every 60 minutes, this is a simple renumbering of short 95 journeys, and will ensure that service 95 has enough midibuses. Sunday journeys will continue to operate at their current timetable.</p><p><br></p><p>Route Map (Sainsbury's - Eskdale - Whitby - Stakesby - Ruswarp - Sleights)&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p>95: This service will only operate NYCC journeys between Whitby Sainsbury's and Lealhome, meaning it will only operate up to every 90 minutes. This service will also depart Whitby via Mayfield Road opposed to Stakesby, which will continue to be served by service 94, additionally will no longer serve Eskdale estate.&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p>Route Map (Sainsbury's - Whitby - Mayfield Road&nbsp;- Ruswarp - Sleights - Grosmont - Egton - Lealhome)<br></p><p><br></p><p>X4: Additional journeys will operate between Redcar and Whitby in both directions on both mornings and evenings, this will allow single decker buses to transfer between Depots, and this will reduce lost mileage, therefore generating additional revenue for the company.</p>


S830OFT
18 Sep 2019, 6:54 pm #921

<p>94: This new service will operate up to every 60 minutes, this is a simple renumbering of short 95 journeys, and will ensure that service 95 has enough midibuses. Sunday journeys will continue to operate at their current timetable.</p><p><br></p><p>Route Map (Sainsbury's - Eskdale - Whitby - Stakesby - Ruswarp - Sleights)&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p>95: This service will only operate NYCC journeys between Whitby Sainsbury's and Lealhome, meaning it will only operate up to every 90 minutes. This service will also depart Whitby via Mayfield Road opposed to Stakesby, which will continue to be served by service 94, additionally will no longer serve Eskdale estate.&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p>Route Map (Sainsbury's - Whitby - Mayfield Road&nbsp;- Ruswarp - Sleights - Grosmont - Egton - Lealhome)<br></p><p><br></p><p>X4: Additional journeys will operate between Redcar and Whitby in both directions on both mornings and evenings, this will allow single decker buses to transfer between Depots, and this will reduce lost mileage, therefore generating additional revenue for the company.</p>



19 Sep 2019, 1:00 pm #922
<p>
(18 Sep 2019, 6:54 pm)S830OFT </p><p>94: This new service will operate up to every 60 minutes, this is a simple renumbering of short 95 journeys, and will ensure that service 95 has enough midibuses. Sunday journeys will continue to operate at their current timetable.</p><p><br></p><p>Route Map (Sainsbury's - Eskdale - Whitby - Stakesby - Ruswarp - Sleights)&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p>95: This service will only operate NYCC journeys between Whitby Sainsbury's and Lealhome, meaning it will only operate up to every 90 minutes. This service will also depart Whitby via Mayfield Road opposed to Stakesby, which will continue to be served by service 94, additionally will no longer serve Eskdale estate.&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p>Route Map (Sainsbury's - Whitby - Mayfield Road&nbsp;- Ruswarp - Sleights - Grosmont - Egton - Lealhome)<br></p><p><br></p><p>X4: Additional journeys will operate between Redcar and Whitby in both directions on both mornings and evenings, this will allow single decker buses to transfer between Depots, and this will reduce lost mileage, therefore generating additional revenue for the company.</p><p>
</p><p><br></p><p>The X4 has a daily swap over of a bus [I believe on the 14-07 from Whitby.]. While we would all like to see more buses, there is enough capacity all day. If you want to increase reliability, add an extra bus from&nbsp;8 to 9. The fact that the X4 hasn't changed in over 2 years must mean it's working fine. &nbsp;</p><p>The biggest complaint from Whitby residents is that the town buses don't go to places they used to. The route to Grosmont more frequently [in the summer] would be useful.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</p>
Michael Euston
19 Sep 2019, 1:00 pm #922

<p>

(18 Sep 2019, 6:54 pm)S830OFT </p><p>94: This new service will operate up to every 60 minutes, this is a simple renumbering of short 95 journeys, and will ensure that service 95 has enough midibuses. Sunday journeys will continue to operate at their current timetable.</p><p><br></p><p>Route Map (Sainsbury's - Eskdale - Whitby - Stakesby - Ruswarp - Sleights)&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p>95: This service will only operate NYCC journeys between Whitby Sainsbury's and Lealhome, meaning it will only operate up to every 90 minutes. This service will also depart Whitby via Mayfield Road opposed to Stakesby, which will continue to be served by service 94, additionally will no longer serve Eskdale estate.&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p>Route Map (Sainsbury's - Whitby - Mayfield Road&nbsp;- Ruswarp - Sleights - Grosmont - Egton - Lealhome)<br></p><p><br></p><p>X4: Additional journeys will operate between Redcar and Whitby in both directions on both mornings and evenings, this will allow single decker buses to transfer between Depots, and this will reduce lost mileage, therefore generating additional revenue for the company.</p><p>
</p><p><br></p><p>The X4 has a daily swap over of a bus [I believe on the 14-07 from Whitby.]. While we would all like to see more buses, there is enough capacity all day. If you want to increase reliability, add an extra bus from&nbsp;8 to 9. The fact that the X4 hasn't changed in over 2 years must mean it's working fine. &nbsp;</p><p>The biggest complaint from Whitby residents is that the town buses don't go to places they used to. The route to Grosmont more frequently [in the summer] would be useful.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</p>

GNE6312



1,091
21 Dec 2019, 11:54 am #923
Arriva should remove the South beach estate section from the X7 & X9 as it causes far too much delay, especially when people get on at both sides if the road. These services are meant to be expresses and having this sections makes it seem like the opposite. However have the GNE 309 do the double run along Amersham road since that's not an express.
GNE6312
21 Dec 2019, 11:54 am #923

Arriva should remove the South beach estate section from the X7 & X9 as it causes far too much delay, especially when people get on at both sides if the road. These services are meant to be expresses and having this sections makes it seem like the opposite. However have the GNE 309 do the double run along Amersham road since that's not an express.

Storx



4,584
21 Dec 2019, 12:15 pm #924
(21 Dec 2019, 11:54 am)GNE6312 Arriva should remove the South beach estate section from the X7 & X9 as it causes far too much delay, especially when people get on at both sides if the road. These services are meant to be expresses and having this sections makes it seem like the opposite. However have the GNE 309 do the double run along Amersham road since that's not an express.

The X7 has already been removed from South Beach as of January changes.
Storx
21 Dec 2019, 12:15 pm #924

(21 Dec 2019, 11:54 am)GNE6312 Arriva should remove the South beach estate section from the X7 & X9 as it causes far too much delay, especially when people get on at both sides if the road. These services are meant to be expresses and having this sections makes it seem like the opposite. However have the GNE 309 do the double run along Amersham road since that's not an express.

The X7 has already been removed from South Beach as of January changes.

GNE6312



1,091
22 Jan 2020, 6:25 pm #925
New Middlesborough suggestions:

X13
Middlesbrough
Thornaby
Stockton
Norton
Billingham
Hartlepool
A19
Peterlee
Dalton park
A19
Heworth
Gateshead
Newcastle

Every 30 mins

This service will provide a quick, direct link between Hartlepool and Newcastle

X17
Middlesborough
Tesside park
Thornaby
Stockton
Norton
Peterlee
Dalton park
Washington galleries
Metrocentre
Newcastle

Between A19 burnhope way slip road and Newcastle Eldon Square this service will only serve
Peteee bus station
Washington galleries sainsbury's car park
Washington galleries bus station
Metrocentre interchange
Newcastle Eldon Square

Every 30 minutes
This service will rival GNE services X9/X10 and X1 (Newcastke to the galleries) as well as competing on the Newcastle to metrocentre section.

X22
Middlesbrough
Thornaby
Teesside park
Stockton
Norton
Peterlee
Dalton Park
Seaham
Sunderland

Every 30 mins

X23
Middlesbrough
Thornaby
Teesside park
Stockton
Norton
Billingham
Hartlepool
Peterlee
Dalton park
Seaham
Sunderland

Every 30 mins
GNE6312
22 Jan 2020, 6:25 pm #925

New Middlesborough suggestions:

X13
Middlesbrough
Thornaby
Stockton
Norton
Billingham
Hartlepool
A19
Peterlee
Dalton park
A19
Heworth
Gateshead
Newcastle

Every 30 mins

This service will provide a quick, direct link between Hartlepool and Newcastle

X17
Middlesborough
Tesside park
Thornaby
Stockton
Norton
Peterlee
Dalton park
Washington galleries
Metrocentre
Newcastle

Between A19 burnhope way slip road and Newcastle Eldon Square this service will only serve
Peteee bus station
Washington galleries sainsbury's car park
Washington galleries bus station
Metrocentre interchange
Newcastle Eldon Square

Every 30 minutes
This service will rival GNE services X9/X10 and X1 (Newcastke to the galleries) as well as competing on the Newcastle to metrocentre section.

X22
Middlesbrough
Thornaby
Teesside park
Stockton
Norton
Peterlee
Dalton Park
Seaham
Sunderland

Every 30 mins

X23
Middlesbrough
Thornaby
Teesside park
Stockton
Norton
Billingham
Hartlepool
Peterlee
Dalton park
Seaham
Sunderland

Every 30 mins

cbma06



2,669
22 Jan 2020, 6:43 pm #926
(22 Jan 2020, 6:25 pm)GNE6312 New Middlesborough suggestions:

X13
Middlesbrough
Thornaby
Stockton
Norton
Billingham
Hartlepool
A19
Peterlee
Dalton park
A19
Heworth
Gateshead
Newcastle

Every 30 mins

This service will provide a quick, direct link between Hartlepool and Newcastle

X17
Middlesborough
Tesside park
Thornaby
Stockton
Norton
Peterlee
Dalton park
Washington galleries
Metrocentre
Newcastle

Between A19 burnhope way slip road and Newcastle Eldon Square this service will only serve
Peteee bus station
Washington galleries sainsbury's car park
Washington galleries bus station
Metrocentre interchange
Newcastle Eldon Square

Every 30 minutes
This service will rival GNE services X9/X10 and X1 (Newcastke to the galleries) as well as competing on the Newcastle to metrocentre section.

X22
Middlesbrough
Thornaby
Teesside park
Stockton
Norton
Peterlee
Dalton Park
Seaham
Sunderland

Every 30 mins

X23
Middlesbrough
Thornaby
Teesside park
Stockton
Norton
Billingham
Hartlepool
Peterlee
Dalton park
Seaham
Sunderland

Every 30 mins


Hartlepool to Stockton/Middlesbrough is Stagecoach territory, can’t see arriva going back on the agreement that was settled between Stagecoach and Arriva, arriva got areas of teeside from stagecoach while Hartlepool section was given to stagecoach, can’t see arriva going Into competition with GNE x9/x10, while the Sole operation of service x10 went to GNE while the X1 (now X12)went to Arriva , the bus companies are too settled now, it will cost each other money if there decide to go against each other, which is not going to happen


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cbma06
22 Jan 2020, 6:43 pm #926

(22 Jan 2020, 6:25 pm)GNE6312 New Middlesborough suggestions:

X13
Middlesbrough
Thornaby
Stockton
Norton
Billingham
Hartlepool
A19
Peterlee
Dalton park
A19
Heworth
Gateshead
Newcastle

Every 30 mins

This service will provide a quick, direct link between Hartlepool and Newcastle

X17
Middlesborough
Tesside park
Thornaby
Stockton
Norton
Peterlee
Dalton park
Washington galleries
Metrocentre
Newcastle

Between A19 burnhope way slip road and Newcastle Eldon Square this service will only serve
Peteee bus station
Washington galleries sainsbury's car park
Washington galleries bus station
Metrocentre interchange
Newcastle Eldon Square

Every 30 minutes
This service will rival GNE services X9/X10 and X1 (Newcastke to the galleries) as well as competing on the Newcastle to metrocentre section.

X22
Middlesbrough
Thornaby
Teesside park
Stockton
Norton
Peterlee
Dalton Park
Seaham
Sunderland

Every 30 mins

X23
Middlesbrough
Thornaby
Teesside park
Stockton
Norton
Billingham
Hartlepool
Peterlee
Dalton park
Seaham
Sunderland

Every 30 mins


Hartlepool to Stockton/Middlesbrough is Stagecoach territory, can’t see arriva going back on the agreement that was settled between Stagecoach and Arriva, arriva got areas of teeside from stagecoach while Hartlepool section was given to stagecoach, can’t see arriva going Into competition with GNE x9/x10, while the Sole operation of service x10 went to GNE while the X1 (now X12)went to Arriva , the bus companies are too settled now, it will cost each other money if there decide to go against each other, which is not going to happen


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L469 YVK



3,549
26 Jan 2020, 12:34 pm #927
- X10/X11 reduced to every 15 mins (PVR 8)

- Super fast X89 / X90 introduced (PVR 3). Journey time from Blyth to Newcastle would be about 35-40 mins. X30 withdrawn with some peak time X89/X90 journeys extended to Bebside.

- X89 Blyth - Newsham Shops - Newsham then non stop to Newcastle via A189 every 60 mins

- X90 Blyth - Newsham - East Cramlington then non stop to Newcastle via A189 every 60 mins

Current PVR: 13
New PVR: 11 (8x X10 / X11 and 3x X89/X90)
L469 YVK
26 Jan 2020, 12:34 pm #927

- X10/X11 reduced to every 15 mins (PVR 8)

- Super fast X89 / X90 introduced (PVR 3). Journey time from Blyth to Newcastle would be about 35-40 mins. X30 withdrawn with some peak time X89/X90 journeys extended to Bebside.

- X89 Blyth - Newsham Shops - Newsham then non stop to Newcastle via A189 every 60 mins

- X90 Blyth - Newsham - East Cramlington then non stop to Newcastle via A189 every 60 mins

Current PVR: 13
New PVR: 11 (8x X10 / X11 and 3x X89/X90)

GNE6312



1,091
26 Jan 2020, 1:17 pm #928
(26 Jan 2020, 12:34 pm)L469 YVK - X10/X11 reduced to every 15 mins (PVR 8)

- Super fast X89 / X90 introduced (PVR 3). Journey time from Blyth to Newcastle would be about 35-40 mins. X30 withdrawn with some peak time X89/X90 journeys extended to Bebside.

- X89 Blyth - Newsham Shops - Newsham then non stop to Newcastle via A189 every 60 mins

- X90 Blyth - Newsham - East Cramlington then non stop to Newcastle via A189 every 60 mins

Current PVR: 13
New PVR: 11 (8x X10 / X11 and 3x X89/X90)
It would just make sense having the X30 running all day
GNE6312
26 Jan 2020, 1:17 pm #928

(26 Jan 2020, 12:34 pm)L469 YVK - X10/X11 reduced to every 15 mins (PVR 8)

- Super fast X89 / X90 introduced (PVR 3). Journey time from Blyth to Newcastle would be about 35-40 mins. X30 withdrawn with some peak time X89/X90 journeys extended to Bebside.

- X89 Blyth - Newsham Shops - Newsham then non stop to Newcastle via A189 every 60 mins

- X90 Blyth - Newsham - East Cramlington then non stop to Newcastle via A189 every 60 mins

Current PVR: 13
New PVR: 11 (8x X10 / X11 and 3x X89/X90)
It would just make sense having the X30 running all day

L469 YVK



3,549
26 Jan 2020, 1:48 pm #929
(26 Jan 2020, 1:17 pm)GNE6312 It would just make sense having the X30 running all day
- X89 would mirror the X10 route (whereas the X30 only runs via Plessey Road)

- X90 would offer new links to the housing developments around Wheatfields (New Hartley) and Barley Meadows (East Cramlington)

A big plus of the X89 & X90 would be both services running direct to Newcastle missing out the Regent Centre & Gosforth saving time (when Haddricks Mill works are complete).
L469 YVK
26 Jan 2020, 1:48 pm #929

(26 Jan 2020, 1:17 pm)GNE6312 It would just make sense having the X30 running all day
- X89 would mirror the X10 route (whereas the X30 only runs via Plessey Road)

- X90 would offer new links to the housing developments around Wheatfields (New Hartley) and Barley Meadows (East Cramlington)

A big plus of the X89 & X90 would be both services running direct to Newcastle missing out the Regent Centre & Gosforth saving time (when Haddricks Mill works are complete).

07 Feb 2020, 10:20 pm #930
What About run Quorum 555 into Newcastle, even if just a few journeys to allow solos to get onto other services.
Also i would extend 51A to Northumberland Park & Cobalt.

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ASX_Terranova
07 Feb 2020, 10:20 pm #930

What About run Quorum 555 into Newcastle, even if just a few journeys to allow solos to get onto other services.
Also i would extend 51A to Northumberland Park & Cobalt.


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L469 YVK



3,549
08 Feb 2020, 5:32 pm #931
(07 Feb 2020, 10:20 pm)ASX_Terranova What About run Quorum 555 into Newcastle, even if just a few journeys to allow solos to get onto other services.
Also i would extend 51A to Northumberland Park & Cobalt.
With the 51A, that would be better extended to the Marden Estate and the 306 made Tynemouth - Newcastle only again to improve reliability.
L469 YVK
08 Feb 2020, 5:32 pm #931

(07 Feb 2020, 10:20 pm)ASX_Terranova What About run Quorum 555 into Newcastle, even if just a few journeys to allow solos to get onto other services.
Also i would extend 51A to Northumberland Park & Cobalt.
With the 51A, that would be better extended to the Marden Estate and the 306 made Tynemouth - Newcastle only again to improve reliability.

S830OFT



1,395
13 Feb 2020, 10:52 pm #932
Here's a suggestion for Arriva to be a little bit more ambitious.

5: This service will remain every 30 minutes.

5A: Withdrawn. Passengers can continue to use service 5 & X5.

X4: This service will be reduced to every 60 minutes. Service X5 will be extended to Whitby along the Coast offering two buses per hour.

X5: This service will be revised to operate every 60 minutes daily operating between Middlesbrough, Guisborough, Loftus & Whitby.

X90: This new service will open brand new links between Middlesbrough and York. The service will operate hourly offering a cheaper alternative to driving or taking the train.

Route Map: Middlesbrough - Stockton - Yarm - A19 - Thirsk - Sowerby - A19 - York.


S830OFT
13 Feb 2020, 10:52 pm #932

Here's a suggestion for Arriva to be a little bit more ambitious.

5: This service will remain every 30 minutes.

5A: Withdrawn. Passengers can continue to use service 5 & X5.

X4: This service will be reduced to every 60 minutes. Service X5 will be extended to Whitby along the Coast offering two buses per hour.

X5: This service will be revised to operate every 60 minutes daily operating between Middlesbrough, Guisborough, Loftus & Whitby.

X90: This new service will open brand new links between Middlesbrough and York. The service will operate hourly offering a cheaper alternative to driving or taking the train.

Route Map: Middlesbrough - Stockton - Yarm - A19 - Thirsk - Sowerby - A19 - York.



L469 YVK



3,549
25 Feb 2020, 11:07 pm #933
Evening service suggestion for X10/X11/X21/X22

- All departures from Haymarket moved to either xx:20 or xx:50.

- Last bus of evening back to Ashington or Blyth timed to depart at 11:25
L469 YVK
25 Feb 2020, 11:07 pm #933

Evening service suggestion for X10/X11/X21/X22

- All departures from Haymarket moved to either xx:20 or xx:50.

- Last bus of evening back to Ashington or Blyth timed to depart at 11:25

Storx



4,584
26 Feb 2020, 12:25 am #934
(25 Feb 2020, 11:07 pm)L469 YVK Evening service suggestion for X10/X11/X21/X22

- All departures from Haymarket moved to either xx:20 or xx:50.

- Last bus of evening back to Ashington or Blyth timed to depart at 11:25

Mentioning this it's something I've never understand about the Arriva services from Newcastle and Blyth / Cramlington is the fact they all run at the same time. I'd change it to something like.

Old times in brackets.

43: XX:00 (XX:05)
X7: XX:05 (XX:07)
X11: XX:15 (XX:10)
308: XX:25 (XX:12)
43: XX:30 (XX:35)
X8: XX:35 (XX:37)
X10: XX:45 (XX:40)
308: XX:55 (XX:42)

With new last journeys of:

X8: 22:35 (22:37)
X7: 23:05 (23:07)
X10: 22:45 (22:40)
X11: 23:15 (23:10)
308: 23:25 (23:12)
43: 23:00 (23:05)

For the record the 306 would be XX:10 and XX:40 (Last bus 23:40) and the X21/X22 XX:20 and XX:50 (Last bus 23:20).

It just makes more sense as now you have a 15 minute service to Cramlington and a 10 minute service to Blyth even known some are a bit slower but at night you don't care especially in Haymarket. Plus you give a slightly later bus for the 308 and X10 compared to now with the maximum of 5 minutes lost off any last bus.
Storx
26 Feb 2020, 12:25 am #934

(25 Feb 2020, 11:07 pm)L469 YVK Evening service suggestion for X10/X11/X21/X22

- All departures from Haymarket moved to either xx:20 or xx:50.

- Last bus of evening back to Ashington or Blyth timed to depart at 11:25

Mentioning this it's something I've never understand about the Arriva services from Newcastle and Blyth / Cramlington is the fact they all run at the same time. I'd change it to something like.

Old times in brackets.

43: XX:00 (XX:05)
X7: XX:05 (XX:07)
X11: XX:15 (XX:10)
308: XX:25 (XX:12)
43: XX:30 (XX:35)
X8: XX:35 (XX:37)
X10: XX:45 (XX:40)
308: XX:55 (XX:42)

With new last journeys of:

X8: 22:35 (22:37)
X7: 23:05 (23:07)
X10: 22:45 (22:40)
X11: 23:15 (23:10)
308: 23:25 (23:12)
43: 23:00 (23:05)

For the record the 306 would be XX:10 and XX:40 (Last bus 23:40) and the X21/X22 XX:20 and XX:50 (Last bus 23:20).

It just makes more sense as now you have a 15 minute service to Cramlington and a 10 minute service to Blyth even known some are a bit slower but at night you don't care especially in Haymarket. Plus you give a slightly later bus for the 308 and X10 compared to now with the maximum of 5 minutes lost off any last bus.

L469 YVK



3,549
27 Feb 2020, 10:14 pm #935
(26 Feb 2020, 12:25 am)Storx Mentioning this it's something I've never understand about the Arriva services from Newcastle and Blyth / Cramlington is the fact they all run at the same time. I'd change it to something like.

Old times in brackets.

43: XX:00 (XX:05)
X7: XX:05 (XX:07)
X11: XX:15 (XX:10)
308: XX:25 (XX:12)
43: XX:30 (XX:35)
X8: XX:35 (XX:37)
X10: XX:45 (XX:40)
308: XX:55 (XX:42)

With new last journeys of:

X8: 22:35 (22:37)
X7: 23:05 (23:07)
X10: 22:45 (22:40)
X11: 23:15 (23:10)
308: 23:25 (23:12)
43: 23:00 (23:05)

For the record the 306 would be XX:10 and XX:40 (Last bus 23:40) and the X21/X22 XX:20 and XX:50 (Last bus 23:20).

It just makes more sense as now you have a 15 minute service to Cramlington and a 10 minute service to Blyth even known some are a bit slower but at night you don't care especially in Haymarket. Plus you give a slightly later bus for the 308 and X10 compared to now with the maximum of 5 minutes lost off any last bus.
Although the suggestion with the 43/X10/X11 is wise, from a marketing POV, I would just stick with offering as late of a service as possible.

43: xx:05 / xx:35 (last bus 23:05)
44: xx:20 (last bus 23:35 finishing as 45 to W.Open)
45: xx:50 (last bus 22:50)
306: xx:10 / xx:40 (last bus 23:10 Mon-Sat, 22:40 Sundays)
308: xx:25 / xx:55 (last bus 23:30 Mon-Sat, 23:10 Sundays)
X7: xx:07 (last bus 23:12)
X8: xx:37 (last bus 22:42)
X10: xx:50 (last bus 22:50)
X11: xx:20 (last bus 23:25)
X18 : xx:20 (last bus 23:25 - ext to Widdrington Fri & Sat)
X21: xx:20 (last bus 23:25 - ext to Newbiggin Fri & Sat)
X22: xx:50 (last bus 22:50)
L469 YVK
27 Feb 2020, 10:14 pm #935

(26 Feb 2020, 12:25 am)Storx Mentioning this it's something I've never understand about the Arriva services from Newcastle and Blyth / Cramlington is the fact they all run at the same time. I'd change it to something like.

Old times in brackets.

43: XX:00 (XX:05)
X7: XX:05 (XX:07)
X11: XX:15 (XX:10)
308: XX:25 (XX:12)
43: XX:30 (XX:35)
X8: XX:35 (XX:37)
X10: XX:45 (XX:40)
308: XX:55 (XX:42)

With new last journeys of:

X8: 22:35 (22:37)
X7: 23:05 (23:07)
X10: 22:45 (22:40)
X11: 23:15 (23:10)
308: 23:25 (23:12)
43: 23:00 (23:05)

For the record the 306 would be XX:10 and XX:40 (Last bus 23:40) and the X21/X22 XX:20 and XX:50 (Last bus 23:20).

It just makes more sense as now you have a 15 minute service to Cramlington and a 10 minute service to Blyth even known some are a bit slower but at night you don't care especially in Haymarket. Plus you give a slightly later bus for the 308 and X10 compared to now with the maximum of 5 minutes lost off any last bus.
Although the suggestion with the 43/X10/X11 is wise, from a marketing POV, I would just stick with offering as late of a service as possible.

43: xx:05 / xx:35 (last bus 23:05)
44: xx:20 (last bus 23:35 finishing as 45 to W.Open)
45: xx:50 (last bus 22:50)
306: xx:10 / xx:40 (last bus 23:10 Mon-Sat, 22:40 Sundays)
308: xx:25 / xx:55 (last bus 23:30 Mon-Sat, 23:10 Sundays)
X7: xx:07 (last bus 23:12)
X8: xx:37 (last bus 22:42)
X10: xx:50 (last bus 22:50)
X11: xx:20 (last bus 23:25)
X18 : xx:20 (last bus 23:25 - ext to Widdrington Fri & Sat)
X21: xx:20 (last bus 23:25 - ext to Newbiggin Fri & Sat)
X22: xx:50 (last bus 22:50)

L469 YVK



3,549
04 Apr 2020, 9:39 pm #936
Suggestion for new concept and service suggestion

With regards to Sapphire and MAX branding being applied to Express routes, I would suggest that Arriva move to a new 'express' brand similar to GNE's X-Lines concept.

Arriva 'X'
- Dark blue (similar shade of blue as GNE's Connections 4) and silver livery
- Applied only to 'express' routes
- All routes under the Arriva 'X' brand will offer:
* Free WiFi
* USB charging points / Plug Sockets
* Wireless charging
* Next stop announcements (voiced by the lovely Emma Hignett)
* High specification kiel seating with extra padding (or ADL Smart Seats if ADL vehicle)
* Tables on upper deck for services where double deck vehicles are used
* 1x spare vehicle to the same specification for every 7-8 vehicles

Suggested changes to X21 / X22 (would be launch routes for Arriva 'X') - also see service X19 further down

- Same frequency as now between Newcastle and Ashington on both routes.
- Frequency of X21 between Ashington and Newbiggin reduced to every 60 mins Mon-Sat
- X21 journeys departing Newcastle at xx:35 and arriving into Newcastle at xx:38 will operate to and from Newbiggin.
- Mon-Sat daytime journeys will terminate at Newbiggin Cresswell arms. Evening and Sunday journeys will continue to Seacrest Road.
- Evening and Sunday service remains the same.
- X21 journeys that extend to Newbiggin will interwork with new service X19.
- The combined PVR of services X19/X21/X22 will be 16 vehicles
- 16 (+2 spare) ADL E400MMC ZF 10.9m vehicles purchased with 7541-52 going to Blyth for service 308.

New service X19 Newbiggin Cresswell Arms - Woodhorn - Wansbeck Hospital - Ashington Bus Station - North Seaton then fast to Regent Centre, Gosforth and Newcastle Haymarket (another launch route for Arriva 'X')

- Will provide faster journeys from Newbiggin to Newcastle
- Will replace extra peak time X20 journeys between Newcastle and Ashington
- Will provide a combined frequency of up to every 30 minutes with service X20 between Wansbeck Hospital and Newcastle
- Will operate every 60 mins Mon-Sat (interworking with X21 in Newbiggin) and every 60 mins Sunday daytimes (standalone)
L469 YVK
04 Apr 2020, 9:39 pm #936

Suggestion for new concept and service suggestion

With regards to Sapphire and MAX branding being applied to Express routes, I would suggest that Arriva move to a new 'express' brand similar to GNE's X-Lines concept.

Arriva 'X'
- Dark blue (similar shade of blue as GNE's Connections 4) and silver livery
- Applied only to 'express' routes
- All routes under the Arriva 'X' brand will offer:
* Free WiFi
* USB charging points / Plug Sockets
* Wireless charging
* Next stop announcements (voiced by the lovely Emma Hignett)
* High specification kiel seating with extra padding (or ADL Smart Seats if ADL vehicle)
* Tables on upper deck for services where double deck vehicles are used
* 1x spare vehicle to the same specification for every 7-8 vehicles

Suggested changes to X21 / X22 (would be launch routes for Arriva 'X') - also see service X19 further down

- Same frequency as now between Newcastle and Ashington on both routes.
- Frequency of X21 between Ashington and Newbiggin reduced to every 60 mins Mon-Sat
- X21 journeys departing Newcastle at xx:35 and arriving into Newcastle at xx:38 will operate to and from Newbiggin.
- Mon-Sat daytime journeys will terminate at Newbiggin Cresswell arms. Evening and Sunday journeys will continue to Seacrest Road.
- Evening and Sunday service remains the same.
- X21 journeys that extend to Newbiggin will interwork with new service X19.
- The combined PVR of services X19/X21/X22 will be 16 vehicles
- 16 (+2 spare) ADL E400MMC ZF 10.9m vehicles purchased with 7541-52 going to Blyth for service 308.

New service X19 Newbiggin Cresswell Arms - Woodhorn - Wansbeck Hospital - Ashington Bus Station - North Seaton then fast to Regent Centre, Gosforth and Newcastle Haymarket (another launch route for Arriva 'X')

- Will provide faster journeys from Newbiggin to Newcastle
- Will replace extra peak time X20 journeys between Newcastle and Ashington
- Will provide a combined frequency of up to every 30 minutes with service X20 between Wansbeck Hospital and Newcastle
- Will operate every 60 mins Mon-Sat (interworking with X21 in Newbiggin) and every 60 mins Sunday daytimes (standalone)

RobinHood



638
06 Apr 2020, 6:01 pm #937
(04 Apr 2020, 9:39 pm)L469 YVK With regards to Sapphire and MAX branding being applied to Express routes, I would suggest that Arriva move to a new 'express' brand similar to GNE's X-Lines concept.

You do realise that MAX is that 'express' brand?

X-lines is simply GNE catching up, albeit with better implementation.
RobinHood
06 Apr 2020, 6:01 pm #937

(04 Apr 2020, 9:39 pm)L469 YVK With regards to Sapphire and MAX branding being applied to Express routes, I would suggest that Arriva move to a new 'express' brand similar to GNE's X-Lines concept.

You do realise that MAX is that 'express' brand?

X-lines is simply GNE catching up, albeit with better implementation.

Storx



4,584
06 Apr 2020, 7:52 pm #938
(04 Apr 2020, 9:39 pm)L469 YVK Suggestion for new concept and service suggestion

With regards to Sapphire and MAX branding being applied to Express routes, I would suggest that Arriva move to a new 'express' brand similar to GNE's X-Lines concept.

Arriva 'X'
- Dark blue (similar shade of blue as GNE's Connections 4) and silver livery
- Applied only to 'express' routes
- All routes under the Arriva 'X' brand will offer:
* Free WiFi
* USB charging points / Plug Sockets
* Wireless charging
* Next stop announcements (voiced by the lovely Emma Hignett)
* High specification kiel seating with extra padding (or ADL Smart Seats if ADL vehicle)
* Tables on upper deck for services where double deck vehicles are used
* 1x spare vehicle to the same specification for every 7-8 vehicles

Suggested changes to X21 / X22 (would be launch routes for Arriva 'X') - also see service X19 further down

- Same frequency as now between Newcastle and Ashington on both routes.
- Frequency of X21 between Ashington and Newbiggin reduced to every 60 mins Mon-Sat
- X21 journeys departing Newcastle at xx:35 and arriving into Newcastle at xx:38 will operate to and from Newbiggin.
- Mon-Sat daytime journeys will terminate at Newbiggin Cresswell arms. Evening and Sunday journeys will continue to Seacrest Road.
- Evening and Sunday service remains the same.
- X21 journeys that extend to Newbiggin will interwork with new service X19.
- The combined PVR of services X19/X21/X22 will be 16 vehicles
- 16 (+2 spare) ADL E400MMC ZF 10.9m vehicles purchased with 7541-52 going to Blyth for service 308.

New service X19 Newbiggin Cresswell Arms - Woodhorn - Wansbeck Hospital - Ashington Bus Station - North Seaton  then fast to Regent Centre, Gosforth and Newcastle Haymarket (another launch route for Arriva 'X')

- Will provide faster journeys from Newbiggin to Newcastle
- Will replace extra peak time X20 journeys between Newcastle and Ashington
- Will provide a combined frequency of up to every 30 minutes with service X20 between Wansbeck Hospital and Newcastle
- Will operate every 60 mins Mon-Sat (interworking with X21 in Newbiggin) and every 60 mins Sunday daytimes (standalone)

I understand where your coming from here but I'd rather see more localised brands or unique brands to a group of services like Transdev and Trent Barton do. It works better than a uniform brand unless you do what GNE does and brand everything that devalues it altogether. Using the X just copies GNE and offers nothing.

Basically have 4 brands:

One for the X7 / X8 / X9 / X10 / X11 / 308 (Something Blyth related)
One for the X21 / X22 (Something Ashington related, maybe pits)
One for the X18 / X19 (Agree with that idea) / X20 (Something Coastline related)
One for the X14 / X15 / X16 (Something about the express route of Newcastle -> Morpeth -> Alnwick and Berwick or Rothbury)

It's pointless trying to brand anything at Blyth as they swap everything round so by the end of the day everything just ends up everywhere. Also the X21 / X22 doesn't need new buses but won't critise the interior design minus tables as they're a waste of space on the Blyth Expresses and X21 / X22 as the journeys are too short.
Storx
06 Apr 2020, 7:52 pm #938

(04 Apr 2020, 9:39 pm)L469 YVK Suggestion for new concept and service suggestion

With regards to Sapphire and MAX branding being applied to Express routes, I would suggest that Arriva move to a new 'express' brand similar to GNE's X-Lines concept.

Arriva 'X'
- Dark blue (similar shade of blue as GNE's Connections 4) and silver livery
- Applied only to 'express' routes
- All routes under the Arriva 'X' brand will offer:
* Free WiFi
* USB charging points / Plug Sockets
* Wireless charging
* Next stop announcements (voiced by the lovely Emma Hignett)
* High specification kiel seating with extra padding (or ADL Smart Seats if ADL vehicle)
* Tables on upper deck for services where double deck vehicles are used
* 1x spare vehicle to the same specification for every 7-8 vehicles

Suggested changes to X21 / X22 (would be launch routes for Arriva 'X') - also see service X19 further down

- Same frequency as now between Newcastle and Ashington on both routes.
- Frequency of X21 between Ashington and Newbiggin reduced to every 60 mins Mon-Sat
- X21 journeys departing Newcastle at xx:35 and arriving into Newcastle at xx:38 will operate to and from Newbiggin.
- Mon-Sat daytime journeys will terminate at Newbiggin Cresswell arms. Evening and Sunday journeys will continue to Seacrest Road.
- Evening and Sunday service remains the same.
- X21 journeys that extend to Newbiggin will interwork with new service X19.
- The combined PVR of services X19/X21/X22 will be 16 vehicles
- 16 (+2 spare) ADL E400MMC ZF 10.9m vehicles purchased with 7541-52 going to Blyth for service 308.

New service X19 Newbiggin Cresswell Arms - Woodhorn - Wansbeck Hospital - Ashington Bus Station - North Seaton  then fast to Regent Centre, Gosforth and Newcastle Haymarket (another launch route for Arriva 'X')

- Will provide faster journeys from Newbiggin to Newcastle
- Will replace extra peak time X20 journeys between Newcastle and Ashington
- Will provide a combined frequency of up to every 30 minutes with service X20 between Wansbeck Hospital and Newcastle
- Will operate every 60 mins Mon-Sat (interworking with X21 in Newbiggin) and every 60 mins Sunday daytimes (standalone)

I understand where your coming from here but I'd rather see more localised brands or unique brands to a group of services like Transdev and Trent Barton do. It works better than a uniform brand unless you do what GNE does and brand everything that devalues it altogether. Using the X just copies GNE and offers nothing.

Basically have 4 brands:

One for the X7 / X8 / X9 / X10 / X11 / 308 (Something Blyth related)
One for the X21 / X22 (Something Ashington related, maybe pits)
One for the X18 / X19 (Agree with that idea) / X20 (Something Coastline related)
One for the X14 / X15 / X16 (Something about the express route of Newcastle -> Morpeth -> Alnwick and Berwick or Rothbury)

It's pointless trying to brand anything at Blyth as they swap everything round so by the end of the day everything just ends up everywhere. Also the X21 / X22 doesn't need new buses but won't critise the interior design minus tables as they're a waste of space on the Blyth Expresses and X21 / X22 as the journeys are too short.

L469 YVK



3,549
08 Apr 2020, 10:30 pm #939
Final suggestion. Will upload timetables and boards if able to..........

Arriva-X X19
- Will operate hourly between Newbiggin Cresswell Arms and Newcastle via Woodhorn, Wansbeck Hospital then the same route as service X20. Service X19 in conjunction with service X20, will offer a fast service up to every 30 mins during Mon-Sat daytimes

- Mon-Sat evening journeys will operate every 60 minutes until 21:13 ex Newcastle. Later journeys to North Seaton will be provided by service X21E departing Newcastle at 21:55 and 22:55.

- Sunday daytime journeys will run up to every 60 minutes until 18:40 ex Newcastle. Later journeys to North Seaton will be provided by service X21E departing Newcastle at 19:55 and 20:55.

Arriva-X X21 (PVR 12 but interworking with X19 Mon-Sat):
- Change of route between Bedlington and Newcastle with journeys running via the current X22 route instead of Nedderton Village.

- Mon-Sat daytime journeys will terminate at the Cresswell Arms in Newbiggin. Evening & Sunday journeys will continue to serve Seacrest Road.

- Every 15 mins Mon-Sat between Ashington and Newcastle as well as hourly to and from Newbiggin. There will also be increased running time to assist reliability (58 mins ex Ashington and 57 mins ex Newcastle but via Hartlands rather than Nedderton).

- Evening & Sunday journeys every 30 minutes between Ashington and Newcastle as well as hourly to and from Newbiggin. Extra running time on Sundays to improve reliability. Late evening journeys on Sundays will operate hourly.

- Journeys at 21:55 and 22:55 ex Newcastle Mon-Sat will operate as service X21E via Nedderton and continuing to North Seaton South Side after Ashington. Journeys at 19:55 and 20:55 ex Newcastle on Sundays will also operate as service X21E.

Arriva 20 (PVR 5) - In laymans terms, this will be Ashington's version of GNE's '6'. Deliberately not categorising this as an 'Express' although still limited stop  between Seaton Burn Holiday Inn and Newcastle.
- Will operate via the current X22 route to Bedlington then the current X21 route to Newcastle.

- Mon-Sat daytime journeys will operate up to every 30 mins.

- Evening journeys will operate up to every 60 minutes until 20:45 ex Newcastle. Later journeys from Newcastle will be provided by service X21E with connections available in Bedlington and through fares available. Short journeys will depart from Bedlington to Ashington at 22:34 and 23:34.

- Sunday daytime journeys will operate up to every 60 minutes until 18:45 ex Newcastle. Later journeys from Newcastle will be provided by service X21E with connections available at Bedlington and through fares available. Short journeys will depart from Bedlington to Ashington at 20:34 and 21:34.
**************************************************************

Mon-Sat PVRs:
- X19/X21 = 12
- 20 = 5

Evening PVRs:
- 35 / X21 = 4
- X21 (Ashington & N.Seaton only) = 2
- 20 = 2 later reducing to 1

Sunday PVRs:
- 35 / X21 = 4
- X21 (Ashington and later N.Seaton only) = 2
- 20 / X19 = 5 (long layover in Ashington with new bus & driver sent out, interworking pattern will be 20  (Ash - Ncl) > X19 (Ncl - Nbig - Ncl) > 20 (Ncl - Ash).
L469 YVK
08 Apr 2020, 10:30 pm #939

Final suggestion. Will upload timetables and boards if able to..........

Arriva-X X19
- Will operate hourly between Newbiggin Cresswell Arms and Newcastle via Woodhorn, Wansbeck Hospital then the same route as service X20. Service X19 in conjunction with service X20, will offer a fast service up to every 30 mins during Mon-Sat daytimes

- Mon-Sat evening journeys will operate every 60 minutes until 21:13 ex Newcastle. Later journeys to North Seaton will be provided by service X21E departing Newcastle at 21:55 and 22:55.

- Sunday daytime journeys will run up to every 60 minutes until 18:40 ex Newcastle. Later journeys to North Seaton will be provided by service X21E departing Newcastle at 19:55 and 20:55.

Arriva-X X21 (PVR 12 but interworking with X19 Mon-Sat):
- Change of route between Bedlington and Newcastle with journeys running via the current X22 route instead of Nedderton Village.

- Mon-Sat daytime journeys will terminate at the Cresswell Arms in Newbiggin. Evening & Sunday journeys will continue to serve Seacrest Road.

- Every 15 mins Mon-Sat between Ashington and Newcastle as well as hourly to and from Newbiggin. There will also be increased running time to assist reliability (58 mins ex Ashington and 57 mins ex Newcastle but via Hartlands rather than Nedderton).

- Evening & Sunday journeys every 30 minutes between Ashington and Newcastle as well as hourly to and from Newbiggin. Extra running time on Sundays to improve reliability. Late evening journeys on Sundays will operate hourly.

- Journeys at 21:55 and 22:55 ex Newcastle Mon-Sat will operate as service X21E via Nedderton and continuing to North Seaton South Side after Ashington. Journeys at 19:55 and 20:55 ex Newcastle on Sundays will also operate as service X21E.

Arriva 20 (PVR 5) - In laymans terms, this will be Ashington's version of GNE's '6'. Deliberately not categorising this as an 'Express' although still limited stop  between Seaton Burn Holiday Inn and Newcastle.
- Will operate via the current X22 route to Bedlington then the current X21 route to Newcastle.

- Mon-Sat daytime journeys will operate up to every 30 mins.

- Evening journeys will operate up to every 60 minutes until 20:45 ex Newcastle. Later journeys from Newcastle will be provided by service X21E with connections available in Bedlington and through fares available. Short journeys will depart from Bedlington to Ashington at 22:34 and 23:34.

- Sunday daytime journeys will operate up to every 60 minutes until 18:45 ex Newcastle. Later journeys from Newcastle will be provided by service X21E with connections available at Bedlington and through fares available. Short journeys will depart from Bedlington to Ashington at 20:34 and 21:34.
**************************************************************

Mon-Sat PVRs:
- X19/X21 = 12
- 20 = 5

Evening PVRs:
- 35 / X21 = 4
- X21 (Ashington & N.Seaton only) = 2
- 20 = 2 later reducing to 1

Sunday PVRs:
- 35 / X21 = 4
- X21 (Ashington and later N.Seaton only) = 2
- 20 / X19 = 5 (long layover in Ashington with new bus & driver sent out, interworking pattern will be 20  (Ash - Ncl) > X19 (Ncl - Nbig - Ncl) > 20 (Ncl - Ash).

09 Apr 2020, 3:33 pm #940
(06 Apr 2020, 6:01 pm)RobinHood You do realise that MAX is that 'express' brand?

X-lines is simply GNE catching up, albeit with better implementation.

MAX is a discontinued brand, the replacement for it is "Arriva Express" which has only been used on the Yorkshire 229.

The good thing about the Arriva Express brand is that it can be modified to suit the local area - again, "Heckspress" on the 229.
omnicity4659
09 Apr 2020, 3:33 pm #940

(06 Apr 2020, 6:01 pm)RobinHood You do realise that MAX is that 'express' brand?

X-lines is simply GNE catching up, albeit with better implementation.

MAX is a discontinued brand, the replacement for it is "Arriva Express" which has only been used on the Yorkshire 229.

The good thing about the Arriva Express brand is that it can be modified to suit the local area - again, "Heckspress" on the 229.

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