Arriva North East: Service Suggestions
Arriva North East: Service Suggestions
(25 Apr 2021, 10:49 pm)Storx Just curious but what's exactly better about the Post 2015 services vs the Pre 2015 services as from a passenger point of view they're considerably worse. Just to list a few:But there wouldn't be any 'major' cuts as such for Northumberland. The number of Ashington - Newcastle services would only drop by 1x journey per hour.Benefits.
- Pre 2015, 5 buses an hour from South Moor to Newcastle. Now 0.
- Pre 2015, 2 buses an hour from Lanchester to Newcastle. Now 0.
- Pre 2015, 2 buses an hour from Burnopfield to Durham. Now 0.
- Pre 2015, Tanfield has buses to Newcastle during the day and buses to Durham. Now it has buses to Newcastle at night only and none to Durham
- Pre 2015, Hobson had an all day 30 minute bus service to Durham and Newcastle. Now it has the token 6.
- Pre 2015, South Moor and the rest of the 16/16A South 4 buses an hour to the Metro Centre. Now 0.
- The X31 extension to Consett also didn't replace the 6 as it was already there in the first place going to Lanchester.
Other than that I'm struggling and idc about lining shareholders pockets with PVR decreases. Changes are a pain in the arse but they can get away with it Derwentside though as there's no competition. Doesn't work too well when there is competition though Stagecoach 22 and GNE 305/40/41 springing to mind.
- If you live in North Stanley or in a farm between Sunniside and Stanley you've got 4 buses an hour instead of 2.
- X30 evening and Sunday services but not sure losing all of the above is enough for that.
(25 Apr 2021, 10:49 pm)Storx Just curious but what's exactly better about the Post 2015 services vs the Pre 2015 services as from a passenger point of view they're considerably worse. Just to list a few:But there wouldn't be any 'major' cuts as such for Northumberland. The number of Ashington - Newcastle services would only drop by 1x journey per hour.Benefits.
- Pre 2015, 5 buses an hour from South Moor to Newcastle. Now 0.
- Pre 2015, 2 buses an hour from Lanchester to Newcastle. Now 0.
- Pre 2015, 2 buses an hour from Burnopfield to Durham. Now 0.
- Pre 2015, Tanfield has buses to Newcastle during the day and buses to Durham. Now it has buses to Newcastle at night only and none to Durham
- Pre 2015, Hobson had an all day 30 minute bus service to Durham and Newcastle. Now it has the token 6.
- Pre 2015, South Moor and the rest of the 16/16A South 4 buses an hour to the Metro Centre. Now 0.
- The X31 extension to Consett also didn't replace the 6 as it was already there in the first place going to Lanchester.
Other than that I'm struggling and idc about lining shareholders pockets with PVR decreases. Changes are a pain in the arse but they can get away with it Derwentside though as there's no competition. Doesn't work too well when there is competition though Stagecoach 22 and GNE 305/40/41 springing to mind.
- If you live in North Stanley or in a farm between Sunniside and Stanley you've got 4 buses an hour instead of 2.
- X30 evening and Sunday services but not sure losing all of the above is enough for that.
Would there be any scope for express services that avoid durham going towards metrocentre or newcastle from any existing ANE destinations (Esh Winning, Ferryhill, Newton Aycliffe, Darlington, Tow Law, Crook, etc....)
(26 Apr 2021, 8:14 pm)ASX_Terranova Would there be any scope for express services that avoid durham going towards metrocentre or newcastle from any existing ANE destinations (Esh Winning, Ferryhill, Newton Aycliffe, Darlington, Tow Law, Crook, etc....)
(26 Apr 2021, 8:14 pm)ASX_Terranova Would there be any scope for express services that avoid durham going towards metrocentre or newcastle from any existing ANE destinations (Esh Winning, Ferryhill, Newton Aycliffe, Darlington, Tow Law, Crook, etc....)
(26 Apr 2021, 8:14 pm)ASX_Terranova Would there be any scope for express services that avoid durham going towards metrocentre or newcastle from any existing ANE destinations (Esh Winning, Ferryhill, Newton Aycliffe, Darlington, Tow Law, Crook, etc....)
(26 Apr 2021, 8:14 pm)ASX_Terranova Would there be any scope for express services that avoid durham going towards metrocentre or newcastle from any existing ANE destinations (Esh Winning, Ferryhill, Newton Aycliffe, Darlington, Tow Law, Crook, etc....)
(26 Apr 2021, 8:14 pm)ASX_Terranova Would there be any scope for express services that avoid durham going towards metrocentre or newcastle from any existing ANE destinations (Esh Winning, Ferryhill, Newton Aycliffe, Darlington, Tow Law, Crook, etc....)
(26 Apr 2021, 8:14 pm)ASX_Terranova Would there be any scope for express services that avoid durham going towards metrocentre or newcastle from any existing ANE destinations (Esh Winning, Ferryhill, Newton Aycliffe, Darlington, Tow Law, Crook, etc....)
(26 Apr 2021, 8:39 pm)mb134 If we're thinking about opening up connections too, then I wonder if something like this could work:
Darlington - Newton Aycliffe - Ferryhill - A1(M) - Washington Galleries - *direct* - Gateshead - Newcastle
Bishop Auckland - Spennymoor - A1(M) - Washington Galleries - *direct* - Gateshead - Newcastle
(26 Apr 2021, 8:39 pm)mb134 If we're thinking about opening up connections too, then I wonder if something like this could work:
Darlington - Newton Aycliffe - Ferryhill - A1(M) - Washington Galleries - *direct* - Gateshead - Newcastle
Bishop Auckland - Spennymoor - A1(M) - Washington Galleries - *direct* - Gateshead - Newcastle
(26 Apr 2021, 5:51 pm)L469 YVK But there wouldn't be any 'major' cuts as such for Northumberland. The number of Ashington - Newcastle services would only drop by 1x journey per hour.
The whole point of demonstrating the Derwentside 'X' services was to show how services eventually replaced each other.
That would be to a lesser extent for the Ashington network.
In terms of journeys to and from Newcastle, the timings would actually work out well for the most part:
ex Ashington: xx:10 (X21), xx:17 (X19), xx:25 (X22), xx:40 (X21), xx:47 (X20), xx:55 (X22)
ex Newcastle: xx:00 (X21*), xx:08 (X19), xx:15 (X22), xx:30 (X21), xx:38 (X20), xx:45 (X22)
* = Terminates at Ashington
(26 Apr 2021, 5:51 pm)L469 YVK But there wouldn't be any 'major' cuts as such for Northumberland. The number of Ashington - Newcastle services would only drop by 1x journey per hour.
The whole point of demonstrating the Derwentside 'X' services was to show how services eventually replaced each other.
That would be to a lesser extent for the Ashington network.
In terms of journeys to and from Newcastle, the timings would actually work out well for the most part:
ex Ashington: xx:10 (X21), xx:17 (X19), xx:25 (X22), xx:40 (X21), xx:47 (X20), xx:55 (X22)
ex Newcastle: xx:00 (X21*), xx:08 (X19), xx:15 (X22), xx:30 (X21), xx:38 (X20), xx:45 (X22)
* = Terminates at Ashington
(27 Apr 2021, 2:08 pm)Storx Ashington is having an absolute nightmare today though tbf so the extra 1 PVR would've been a cancellation today. 1801 being on the X21/X22/35 board aswell and not a clue what's going on with the X15 but there's missing runs and 7484 appears to be on now running 20 minutes late (off to Berwick unless it's swapped) which was meant to be going onto toto the 57 which seems to have gaps because 2809 has broke down (again).
(27 Apr 2021, 2:08 pm)Storx Ashington is having an absolute nightmare today though tbf so the extra 1 PVR would've been a cancellation today. 1801 being on the X21/X22/35 board aswell and not a clue what's going on with the X15 but there's missing runs and 7484 appears to be on now running 20 minutes late (off to Berwick unless it's swapped) which was meant to be going onto toto the 57 which seems to have gaps because 2809 has broke down (again).
Ashington can't seem to decide what to allocate to the 35/X21/X22 and the 57/57A. Two darts and two solos allocate to the 57rota (more than likely change soon since the problems they have had) and the 35/X21/X22 meant to double deckers. Yet lately it seems to be the other way round. Tbh Arriva should allocate Long Single Deck buses to the 57/57A. The amount of times I've seen them both full is very shocking why arriva won't allocate them full size single deck buses
(27 Apr 2021, 3:15 pm)mb134 1800 was taken off for 4664 and then replaced 7515 early doors, with 7512 replacing 7532 on the X20 after the X30 peak.
1801 replaced 7484 which has, looking at Bustimes data, an intermittent fault. 7484 was used on the 1438 X15 off Newcastle to allow 7525 to be regulated at Morpeth. The X15s are running up to 30 late due to roadworks and 4 way lights north of Morpeth on the A1.
(27 Apr 2021, 4:59 pm)Micheal Aaron Ashington can't seem to decide what to allocate to the 35/X21/X22 and the 57/57A. Two darts and two solos allocate to the 57rota (more than likely change soon since the problems they have had) and the 35/X21/X22 meant to double deckers. Yet lately it seems to be the other way round. Tbh Arriva should allocate Long Single Deck buses to the 57/57A. The amount of times I've seen them both full is very shocking why arriva won't allocate them full size single deck buses
(27 Apr 2021, 3:15 pm)mb134 1800 was taken off for 4664 and then replaced 7515 early doors, with 7512 replacing 7532 on the X20 after the X30 peak.
1801 replaced 7484 which has, looking at Bustimes data, an intermittent fault. 7484 was used on the 1438 X15 off Newcastle to allow 7525 to be regulated at Morpeth. The X15s are running up to 30 late due to roadworks and 4 way lights north of Morpeth on the A1.
(27 Apr 2021, 4:59 pm)Micheal Aaron Ashington can't seem to decide what to allocate to the 35/X21/X22 and the 57/57A. Two darts and two solos allocate to the 57rota (more than likely change soon since the problems they have had) and the 35/X21/X22 meant to double deckers. Yet lately it seems to be the other way round. Tbh Arriva should allocate Long Single Deck buses to the 57/57A. The amount of times I've seen them both full is very shocking why arriva won't allocate them full size single deck buses
(27 Apr 2021, 4:59 pm)Micheal Aaron Ashington can't seem to decide what to allocate to the 35/X21/X22 and the 57/57A. Two darts and two solos allocate to the 57rota (more than likely change soon since the problems they have had) and the 35/X21/X22 meant to double deckers. Yet lately it seems to be the other way round. Tbh Arriva should allocate Long Single Deck buses to the 57/57A. The amount of times I've seen them both full is very shocking why arriva won't allocate them full size single deck buses
(27 Apr 2021, 5:12 pm)Storx If I'm right though 2809, 4659, 7446, 7484, 7515, 7517, 7529, 7530, 7532, 7541 and 7556 have all been VOR at some point today which is impressive even for Ashington.
(27 Apr 2021, 4:59 pm)Micheal Aaron Ashington can't seem to decide what to allocate to the 35/X21/X22 and the 57/57A. Two darts and two solos allocate to the 57rota (more than likely change soon since the problems they have had) and the 35/X21/X22 meant to double deckers. Yet lately it seems to be the other way round. Tbh Arriva should allocate Long Single Deck buses to the 57/57A. The amount of times I've seen them both full is very shocking why arriva won't allocate them full size single deck buses
(27 Apr 2021, 5:12 pm)Storx If I'm right though 2809, 4659, 7446, 7484, 7515, 7517, 7529, 7530, 7532, 7541 and 7556 have all been VOR at some point today which is impressive even for Ashington.
(27 Apr 2021, 6:11 pm)mb134 One board on the 57 cycle is now requiring a single deck or above. All other boards are absolutely fine with minibuses, even with their current reduced capacity, so a full conventional allocation would be pointless and would increase costs substantially.The question is will Arriva invest when the circumstances allow and hopefully the right vehicles, not StreetDecks or Voith E400MMC's (unless the 306 / 308).
Again, MAX vehicles being the downfall. The cancelled order last year looking a worse decision each day.
7515 has broke down two days running (Ashington engineering shining again, fix it properly the first time), 7530 has been 'local' for weeks for some reason. 7517 has been beyond unreliable for years now, even when it was 'X14' branded back at the MAX revamp I remember comments on Facebook from passengers noting that it was constantly having issues.
(27 Apr 2021, 6:11 pm)mb134 One board on the 57 cycle is now requiring a single deck or above. All other boards are absolutely fine with minibuses, even with their current reduced capacity, so a full conventional allocation would be pointless and would increase costs substantially.The question is will Arriva invest when the circumstances allow and hopefully the right vehicles, not StreetDecks or Voith E400MMC's (unless the 306 / 308).
Again, MAX vehicles being the downfall. The cancelled order last year looking a worse decision each day.
7515 has broke down two days running (Ashington engineering shining again, fix it properly the first time), 7530 has been 'local' for weeks for some reason. 7517 has been beyond unreliable for years now, even when it was 'X14' branded back at the MAX revamp I remember comments on Facebook from passengers noting that it was constantly having issues.
(27 Apr 2021, 7:42 pm)L469 YVK The question is will Arriva invest when the circumstances allow and hopefully the right vehicles, not StreetDecks or Voith E400MMC's (unless the 306 / 308).
(27 Apr 2021, 7:42 pm)L469 YVK The question is will Arriva invest when the circumstances allow and hopefully the right vehicles, not StreetDecks or Voith E400MMC's (unless the 306 / 308).
(27 Apr 2021, 8:20 pm)mb134 You'd *hope* they would. On that point, given the amount of large operators currently using 15+ y/o Volvo B7s reliably (Arriva, First, GAG, Stagecoach, Transdev all are), I wonder if we'll see a move towards more heavy duty vehicles (i.e away from 4-cyl Streetdecks, Streetlites in general etc) in the coming years.Bar the X14, X15, X18, X20 and X93, none of the NE decker routes need anything heavier than an E400MMC coupled with ZF.
(27 Apr 2021, 8:20 pm)mb134 You'd *hope* they would. On that point, given the amount of large operators currently using 15+ y/o Volvo B7s reliably (Arriva, First, GAG, Stagecoach, Transdev all are), I wonder if we'll see a move towards more heavy duty vehicles (i.e away from 4-cyl Streetdecks, Streetlites in general etc) in the coming years.Bar the X14, X15, X18, X20 and X93, none of the NE decker routes need anything heavier than an E400MMC coupled with ZF.
(27 Apr 2021, 9:51 pm)L469 YVK Bar the X14, X15, X18, X20 and X93, none of the NE decker routes need anything heavier than an E400MMC coupled with ZF.
The 306 & 308 would be more than fine with StreetDecks but if Arriva ordered en masse, it wouldn't surprise me if 7541-52 ended up on either given that ZF + Stop Start (BSOG Payments) is now available and are more suited to the X21 / X22.
(27 Apr 2021, 9:51 pm)L469 YVK Bar the X14, X15, X18, X20 and X93, none of the NE decker routes need anything heavier than an E400MMC coupled with ZF.
The 306 & 308 would be more than fine with StreetDecks but if Arriva ordered en masse, it wouldn't surprise me if 7541-52 ended up on either given that ZF + Stop Start (BSOG Payments) is now available and are more suited to the X21 / X22.
Could the durham 6 or 7 be extended towards newcastle to provide a 15 minute frequency alongside the X12
(17 May 2021, 9:09 am)ASX_Terranova Could the durham 6 or 7 be extended towards newcastle to provide a 15 minute frequency alongside the X12
(17 May 2021, 9:09 am)ASX_Terranova Could the durham 6 or 7 be extended towards newcastle to provide a 15 minute frequency alongside the X12
(17 May 2021, 9:09 am)ASX_Terranova Could the durham 6 or 7 be extended towards newcastle to provide a 15 minute frequency alongside the X12
(17 May 2021, 9:45 am)Dan Why on earth would Arriva do that? The X12 is dead as it is, they certainly don't carry enough passengers to warrant doubling the frequency.
Pre-Covid, the Go North East X21 was running every 15 minutes. That full timetable has not yet returned, and is unlikely to do so in the immediate future (outside of peaks) as the demand isn't there.
(17 May 2021, 9:09 am)ASX_Terranova Could the durham 6 or 7 be extended towards newcastle to provide a 15 minute frequency alongside the X12
(17 May 2021, 9:45 am)Dan Why on earth would Arriva do that? The X12 is dead as it is, they certainly don't carry enough passengers to warrant doubling the frequency.
Pre-Covid, the Go North East X21 was running every 15 minutes. That full timetable has not yet returned, and is unlikely to do so in the immediate future (outside of peaks) as the demand isn't there.
Move this If its in the wrong place but here's a couple of things to improve around the Blyth area.
2/X16
2 Return to every 20 minutes (Mon-Sat day time) as it was in late 2020 and will not interwork with the X16 (exept for Sundays and evenings) Altogether the PVR will be 4 solos (2801/02/10/16 with 2821 as a spare)
X16 returned to how it In 2020 and will return to Jesmond depot who will use the 2 X16 pulsars on it.
1
Thos service will return to how it was In 2020 running every 20 mins to the Wansbeck Hospital & hourly to Widdrington this will be allocated 5 pulsars (1409/07/61-63 with 1475 acting as a spare)
X7/X8/X9
X9 return to how it was before it interworked with the X7/8 and which will be leave each end at 05 & 35 and run stand alone using a PVR of 4 pulsars (1493/1501-3 with 1504 as a spare)
X7/X8 will still interwork at Newcastle and run stand alone at Blyth (as the X8 already does) (this will be X8 to Blyth X8 to Newcastle X7 to Blyth X7 to Newcastle or vice versa) this will use a PVR of 10 DB300s (7601-08/11/12 with 7613 as a spare)
No changes will occur to the timetable.
X10/X11
Saturday timetable back to every every 10 minutes combined & every 20 minutes alone, no changes to interworking, mon-fri PVR will remain (and Saturday PVR will return to) 12 deckers (7410/7411/7614-17/20-24/7490 7485/87 to return from Belmont to Blyth to act as spare deckers)
308 will remain as Is however once more will return to full frequency and PVR on a Saturday, no allocation change
58
No change
Blyth allocation summary:
Deckers
32 in use (10-308, 10 X7/X8, 12 X10/11) (7601-08/11-17/20-25/28-37/7410/7411/7490) spares and exact fleet numbers are guidance however that's the size they should be going for
Spares: 3
Single deckers: in use 9 spare 3
Medis
In use: 5 spares: 2
Some ideas for some Blyth / Ashington services to provide quicker times and remove some duplicate routes.
1: Runs between Blyth and Ashington only.
X7: Current route additionally serving Amersham Drive (Every 20 Mins)
X8: Current X8 route between Blyth and Shankhouse, X9 route from there to Newcastle (Every 30 Minutes)
X9: Withdrawn
53: Extended to Blyth every hour via X9 route and ran by Blyth potentially with Minibuses. (Every Hour)
X19: Newcastle to Annitsford via A189 and Quorum (Limited Stop - South Gosforth / BT Call Centre / Quorum / White House Farm Only), X8 to Eastfield, A189 Direct to Ashington, 1 route to Widdrington (Every Hour)
X20: Same as X20 to Ashington, current X20 route (Every Hour)
There's lots of benefits such as: