Arriva North East: Service Suggestions
Arriva North East: Service Suggestions
Would there be any demand for a Oakenshaw to Durham Service
Spennymoor to Durham via Whitworth Hall, Brandon & Langley Moor.
Tow Law to Durham via East Headleyhope & Esh Winning.
Durham to Shildon via Bishop Auckland (Did the 5 do this at one point???)
(06 Sep 2021, 4:30 pm)ASX_Terranova Spennymoor to Durham via Whitworth Hall, Brandon & Langley Moor.
Tow Law to Durham via East Headleyhope & Esh Winning.
Durham to Shildon via Bishop Auckland (Did the 5 do this at one point???)
(06 Sep 2021, 4:30 pm)ASX_Terranova Spennymoor to Durham via Whitworth Hall, Brandon & Langley Moor.
Tow Law to Durham via East Headleyhope & Esh Winning.
Durham to Shildon via Bishop Auckland (Did the 5 do this at one point???)
(06 Sep 2021, 4:30 pm)ASX_Terranova Spennymoor to Durham via Whitworth Hall, Brandon & Langley Moor.
Tow Law to Durham via East Headleyhope & Esh Winning.
Durham to Shildon via Bishop Auckland (Did the 5 do this at one point???)
(06 Sep 2021, 4:30 pm)ASX_Terranova Spennymoor to Durham via Whitworth Hall, Brandon & Langley Moor.
Tow Law to Durham via East Headleyhope & Esh Winning.
Durham to Shildon via Bishop Auckland (Did the 5 do this at one point???)
(06 Sep 2021, 9:41 pm)peter The 5/5a continued through to Durham pre-April 2011, from which point the 6 took over between Durham and Bishop and was then extended to Cockfield in January 2012.Make the 6 every 10 mins then extend 2 of those to shildon
(06 Sep 2021, 9:41 pm)peter The 5/5a continued through to Durham pre-April 2011, from which point the 6 took over between Durham and Bishop and was then extended to Cockfield in January 2012.Make the 6 every 10 mins then extend 2 of those to shildon
New Service: Durham City, Langley Moor, Brandon Co-Op, Brancepeth Village, Oakenshaw, Willington, Sunny Brow, Hunwick, Toronto, Bishop Auckland.
Would replace DCC 109. Would run up to every 30 mins.
(07 Sep 2021, 3:20 pm)ASX_Terranova New Service: Durham City, Langley Moor, Brandon Co-Op, Brancepeth Village, Oakenshaw, Willington, Sunny Brow, Hunwick, Toronto, Bishop Auckland.
Would replace DCC 109. Would run up to every 30 mins.
(06 Sep 2021, 9:49 pm)ASX_Terranova Make the 6 every 10 mins then extend 2 of those to shildon
(07 Sep 2021, 3:20 pm)ASX_Terranova New Service: Durham City, Langley Moor, Brandon Co-Op, Brancepeth Village, Oakenshaw, Willington, Sunny Brow, Hunwick, Toronto, Bishop Auckland.
Would replace DCC 109. Would run up to every 30 mins.
(06 Sep 2021, 9:49 pm)ASX_Terranova Make the 6 every 10 mins then extend 2 of those to shildon
X60: BIshop Auckland to Hartlepool via Coundon, Chilton, Bradbury, Sedgefield, Wynyard, Wolviston & Rift House.
Could be Branded as The A689 Flyer.
(10 Sep 2021, 9:50 pm)ASX_Terranova X60: BIshop Auckland to Hartlepool via Coundon, Chilton, Bradbury, Sedgefield, Wynyard, Wolviston & Rift House.
Could be Branded as The A689 Flyer.
(10 Sep 2021, 9:50 pm)ASX_Terranova X60: BIshop Auckland to Hartlepool via Coundon, Chilton, Bradbury, Sedgefield, Wynyard, Wolviston & Rift House.
Could be Branded as The A689 Flyer.
I like the "simplicity" of the 22/23/24, providing a fifteen minute service from Peterlee to Sunderland/ Durham/ Hartlepool but the 22 seems a bit of an oddity compared to the other two routes
Durham to Hartlepool is a fairly straight line - or would be if the 24 didn't try to be a Town Service for half of Peterlee - Hartlepool to Sunderland is a fairly straight line - but Durham to Hartlepool is a ig of a "dog leg"
The only two things that the 22 has got going for it (AFAICS) are that it's a direct link from Durham to Dalton Park and that it might as well run as a through service because the Durham - Peterlee and Peterlee - Sunderland routes both deserve a fifteen minute service, so you might as well link the two halves together to dovetail with the Durham - Peterlee bit of the 24 and the Peterlee - Sunderland bit of the 23)
The half hourly GNE 65 provides a faster Durham - Dalton Park service, which got me wondering whether the Peterlee - Sunderland bit of the 22 would be better served by extensions of the X21/X22 through to Wearside instead?
That would at least provide some links like Newton Aycliffe/ Sedgefield to Dalton Park/ Sunderland - probably not going to be huge markets, but there can't be many people who are sitting on a 22 all the way from Durham to Sunderland at the moment given the frequency of the GNE 20/ X20
(apologies if this is a subject that's been debated to death - I've only recently joined so am reading through some of the long running threads!)
(11 Sep 2021, 7:40 pm)Yorkshire Pudding I like the "simplicity" of the 22/23/24, providing a fifteen minute service from Peterlee to Sunderland/ Durham/ Hartlepool but the 22 seems a bit of an oddity compared to the other two routes
Durham to Hartlepool is a fairly straight line - or would be if the 24 didn't try to be a Town Service for half of Peterlee - Hartlepool to Sunderland is a fairly straight line - but Durham to Hartlepool is a ig of a "dog leg"
The only two things that the 22 has got going for it (AFAICS) are that it's a direct link from Durham to Dalton Park and that it might as well run as a through service because the Durham - Peterlee and Peterlee - Sunderland routes both deserve a fifteen minute service, so you might as well link the two halves together to dovetail with the Durham - Peterlee bit of the 24 and the Peterlee - Sunderland bit of the 23)
The half hourly GNE 65 provides a faster Durham - Dalton Park service, which got me wondering whether the Peterlee - Sunderland bit of the 22 would be better served by extensions of the X21/X22 through to Wearside instead?
That would at least provide some links like Newton Aycliffe/ Sedgefield to Dalton Park/ Sunderland - probably not going to be huge markets, but there can't be many people who are sitting on a 22 all the way from Durham to Sunderland at the moment given the frequency of the GNE 20/ X20
(apologies if this is a subject that's been debated to death - I've only recently joined so am reading through some of the long running threads!)
(11 Sep 2021, 7:40 pm)Yorkshire Pudding I like the "simplicity" of the 22/23/24, providing a fifteen minute service from Peterlee to Sunderland/ Durham/ Hartlepool but the 22 seems a bit of an oddity compared to the other two routes
Durham to Hartlepool is a fairly straight line - or would be if the 24 didn't try to be a Town Service for half of Peterlee - Hartlepool to Sunderland is a fairly straight line - but Durham to Hartlepool is a ig of a "dog leg"
The only two things that the 22 has got going for it (AFAICS) are that it's a direct link from Durham to Dalton Park and that it might as well run as a through service because the Durham - Peterlee and Peterlee - Sunderland routes both deserve a fifteen minute service, so you might as well link the two halves together to dovetail with the Durham - Peterlee bit of the 24 and the Peterlee - Sunderland bit of the 23)
The half hourly GNE 65 provides a faster Durham - Dalton Park service, which got me wondering whether the Peterlee - Sunderland bit of the 22 would be better served by extensions of the X21/X22 through to Wearside instead?
That would at least provide some links like Newton Aycliffe/ Sedgefield to Dalton Park/ Sunderland - probably not going to be huge markets, but there can't be many people who are sitting on a 22 all the way from Durham to Sunderland at the moment given the frequency of the GNE 20/ X20
(apologies if this is a subject that's been debated to death - I've only recently joined so am reading through some of the long running threads!)
(11 Sep 2021, 7:40 pm)Yorkshire Pudding I like the "simplicity" of the 22/23/24, providing a fifteen minute service from Peterlee to Sunderland/ Durham/ Hartlepool but the 22 seems a bit of an oddity compared to the other two routesThe X21 did run to Sunderland, for many years, until very recently.
Durham to Hartlepool is a fairly straight line - or would be if the 24 didn't try to be a Town Service for half of Peterlee - Hartlepool to Sunderland is a fairly straight line - but Durham to Hartlepool is a ig of a "dog leg"
The only two things that the 22 has got going for it (AFAICS) are that it's a direct link from Durham to Dalton Park and that it might as well run as a through service because the Durham - Peterlee and Peterlee - Sunderland routes both deserve a fifteen minute service, so you might as well link the two halves together to dovetail with the Durham - Peterlee bit of the 24 and the Peterlee - Sunderland bit of the 23)
The half hourly GNE 65 provides a faster Durham - Dalton Park service, which got me wondering whether the Peterlee - Sunderland bit of the 22 would be better served by extensions of the X21/X22 through to Wearside instead?
That would at least provide some links like Newton Aycliffe/ Sedgefield to Dalton Park/ Sunderland - probably not going to be huge markets, but there can't be many people who are sitting on a 22 all the way from Durham to Sunderland at the moment given the frequency of the GNE 20/ X20
(apologies if this is a subject that's been debated to death - I've only recently joined so am reading through some of the long running threads!)
(11 Sep 2021, 7:40 pm)Yorkshire Pudding I like the "simplicity" of the 22/23/24, providing a fifteen minute service from Peterlee to Sunderland/ Durham/ Hartlepool but the 22 seems a bit of an oddity compared to the other two routesThe X21 did run to Sunderland, for many years, until very recently.
Durham to Hartlepool is a fairly straight line - or would be if the 24 didn't try to be a Town Service for half of Peterlee - Hartlepool to Sunderland is a fairly straight line - but Durham to Hartlepool is a ig of a "dog leg"
The only two things that the 22 has got going for it (AFAICS) are that it's a direct link from Durham to Dalton Park and that it might as well run as a through service because the Durham - Peterlee and Peterlee - Sunderland routes both deserve a fifteen minute service, so you might as well link the two halves together to dovetail with the Durham - Peterlee bit of the 24 and the Peterlee - Sunderland bit of the 23)
The half hourly GNE 65 provides a faster Durham - Dalton Park service, which got me wondering whether the Peterlee - Sunderland bit of the 22 would be better served by extensions of the X21/X22 through to Wearside instead?
That would at least provide some links like Newton Aycliffe/ Sedgefield to Dalton Park/ Sunderland - probably not going to be huge markets, but there can't be many people who are sitting on a 22 all the way from Durham to Sunderland at the moment given the frequency of the GNE 20/ X20
(apologies if this is a subject that's been debated to death - I've only recently joined so am reading through some of the long running threads!)
(11 Sep 2021, 7:40 pm)Yorkshire Pudding I like the "simplicity" of the 22/23/24, providing a fifteen minute service from Peterlee to Sunderland/ Durham/ Hartlepool but the 22 seems a bit of an oddity compared to the other two routesThe X21 ran hourly onwards from Peterlee to Sunderland until 2020. It used the MAN Gas buses from Darlington. The links you speak of were used less and less because of the absolute stagger that an X21 was. I doubt it will ever run beyond Peterlee again.
Durham to Hartlepool is a fairly straight line - or would be if the 24 didn't try to be a Town Service for half of Peterlee - Hartlepool to Sunderland is a fairly straight line - but Durham to Hartlepool is a ig of a "dog leg"
The only two things that the 22 has got going for it (AFAICS) are that it's a direct link from Durham to Dalton Park and that it might as well run as a through service because the Durham - Peterlee and Peterlee - Sunderland routes both deserve a fifteen minute service, so you might as well link the two halves together to dovetail with the Durham - Peterlee bit of the 24 and the Peterlee - Sunderland bit of the 23)
The half hourly GNE 65 provides a faster Durham - Dalton Park service, which got me wondering whether the Peterlee - Sunderland bit of the 22 would be better served by extensions of the X21/X22 through to Wearside instead?
That would at least provide some links like Newton Aycliffe/ Sedgefield to Dalton Park/ Sunderland - probably not going to be huge markets, but there can't be many people who are sitting on a 22 all the way from Durham to Sunderland at the moment given the frequency of the GNE 20/ X20
(apologies if this is a subject that's been debated to death - I've only recently joined so am reading through some of the long running threads!)
(11 Sep 2021, 7:40 pm)Yorkshire Pudding I like the "simplicity" of the 22/23/24, providing a fifteen minute service from Peterlee to Sunderland/ Durham/ Hartlepool but the 22 seems a bit of an oddity compared to the other two routesThe X21 ran hourly onwards from Peterlee to Sunderland until 2020. It used the MAN Gas buses from Darlington. The links you speak of were used less and less because of the absolute stagger that an X21 was. I doubt it will ever run beyond Peterlee again.
Durham to Hartlepool is a fairly straight line - or would be if the 24 didn't try to be a Town Service for half of Peterlee - Hartlepool to Sunderland is a fairly straight line - but Durham to Hartlepool is a ig of a "dog leg"
The only two things that the 22 has got going for it (AFAICS) are that it's a direct link from Durham to Dalton Park and that it might as well run as a through service because the Durham - Peterlee and Peterlee - Sunderland routes both deserve a fifteen minute service, so you might as well link the two halves together to dovetail with the Durham - Peterlee bit of the 24 and the Peterlee - Sunderland bit of the 23)
The half hourly GNE 65 provides a faster Durham - Dalton Park service, which got me wondering whether the Peterlee - Sunderland bit of the 22 would be better served by extensions of the X21/X22 through to Wearside instead?
That would at least provide some links like Newton Aycliffe/ Sedgefield to Dalton Park/ Sunderland - probably not going to be huge markets, but there can't be many people who are sitting on a 22 all the way from Durham to Sunderland at the moment given the frequency of the GNE 20/ X20
(apologies if this is a subject that's been debated to death - I've only recently joined so am reading through some of the long running threads!)
Thanks everyone - I hadn't realised that the 22/23/24 interworked or that the X21 had previously run through to Sunderland
The current 22/23/24 are both pleasingly simple (providing a fifteen minute service on each side of Peterlee, quite easy for passenger to understand, providing direct links) and very frustrating (given the awkward diversions to cover what were previously "Town Services" in Peterlee) and the massive dog-leg required to get from Durham to Sunderland on Arriva (rather than the GNE 20/X20)
There seem to be a number of places where routes are being chopped up to improve time keeping and also places where routes are added together to trim down the number of drivers/vehicles required and also tick a few boxes by being seen to provide a direct link (the GNE 42As from Wallsend to Kingston Park!)
Does anyone remember the United 236/336.
Were they busy? When did they stop running? Does any of the route exist today?
(16 Sep 2021, 5:34 am)cbma06 What was the route for the 236/336?https://northeastbuses.co.uk/bygone/item.php?id=1869
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(16 Sep 2021, 5:34 am)cbma06 What was the route for the 236/336?https://northeastbuses.co.uk/bygone/item.php?id=1869
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(16 Sep 2021, 8:57 am)ASX_Terranova https://northeastbuses.co.uk/bygone/item.php?id=1869
(16 Sep 2021, 8:57 am)ASX_Terranova https://northeastbuses.co.uk/bygone/item.php?id=1869
(15 Sep 2021, 4:31 pm)ASX_Terranova Does anyone remember the United 236/336.The Arriva 57/57A now collectively cover much of the route between Trimdon Village & Hartlepool whilst the Bishop Auckland to Ferryhill (via Coundon) leg is covered by the 56 to Durham.
Were they busy? When did they stop running? Does any of the route exist today?
(15 Sep 2021, 4:31 pm)ASX_Terranova Does anyone remember the United 236/336.The Arriva 57/57A now collectively cover much of the route between Trimdon Village & Hartlepool whilst the Bishop Auckland to Ferryhill (via Coundon) leg is covered by the 56 to Durham.
Were they busy? When did they stop running? Does any of the route exist today?
(16 Sep 2021, 5:46 pm)Jimmi The Arriva 57/57A now collectively cover much of the route between Trimdon Village & Hartlepool whilst the Bishop Auckland to Ferryhill (via Coundon) leg is covered by the 56 to Durham.Been from Hartlepool unfortunately I have to agree. The 236 or 33 in its final years was a good ride out. However having a service between two places whos town centres are slowly dying with no where of interest just a few villages in between it clearly won’t work.
The route as described existed between Chilton/Ferryhill and Hartlepool in close to that form until April 2011 as service 33 when it was then diverted from Ferryhill via Bishop Middleham to replace the long standing 69 on that stretch, Chilton was still covered on service 8A from Darlington to Ferryhill (effectively current 8 route) then continue through to Hartlepool as the 33. In October 2012 when Durham County Council made more service revisions with tendered services the 33 (now 113) was cut to run Ferryhill to Sedgefield (via Fishburn) with Scarlet Band winning the contract whilst Arriva introduced the 57A from Durham to Hartlepool via the Trimdons taking the Trimdon Village to Hartlepool leg of the 33.
From what I've gathered the numbers in later years were pretty mediocre between Ferryhill and Hartlepool and I think part of the 33/57A was also supported at least in part. Doubt the demand is really there to make it work as Hartlepool isn't that much of a draw these days to attract the numbers.
(16 Sep 2021, 5:46 pm)Jimmi The Arriva 57/57A now collectively cover much of the route between Trimdon Village & Hartlepool whilst the Bishop Auckland to Ferryhill (via Coundon) leg is covered by the 56 to Durham.Been from Hartlepool unfortunately I have to agree. The 236 or 33 in its final years was a good ride out. However having a service between two places whos town centres are slowly dying with no where of interest just a few villages in between it clearly won’t work.
The route as described existed between Chilton/Ferryhill and Hartlepool in close to that form until April 2011 as service 33 when it was then diverted from Ferryhill via Bishop Middleham to replace the long standing 69 on that stretch, Chilton was still covered on service 8A from Darlington to Ferryhill (effectively current 8 route) then continue through to Hartlepool as the 33. In October 2012 when Durham County Council made more service revisions with tendered services the 33 (now 113) was cut to run Ferryhill to Sedgefield (via Fishburn) with Scarlet Band winning the contract whilst Arriva introduced the 57A from Durham to Hartlepool via the Trimdons taking the Trimdon Village to Hartlepool leg of the 33.
From what I've gathered the numbers in later years were pretty mediocre between Ferryhill and Hartlepool and I think part of the 33/57A was also supported at least in part. Doubt the demand is really there to make it work as Hartlepool isn't that much of a draw these days to attract the numbers.
