Arriva North East: Service Suggestions
Arriva North East: Service Suggestions
Noticed the 44 has been mentioned a few times for its link to Whitley Bay, since the 306 has been going there a few years now (clearly makes money) then what about this
306 Hazlerigg-Whitley Bay obviously it won't be the same route as the route the 44 took,possibly start it off with an hourly frequency to Hazlerigg
(15 Oct 2021, 6:40 pm)V514DFT Noticed the 44 has been mentioned a few times for its link to Whitley Bay, since the 306 has been going there a few years now (clearly makes money) then what about this
306 Hazlerigg-Whitley Bay obviously it won't be the same route as the route the 44 took,possibly start it off with an hourly frequency to Hazlerigg
(15 Oct 2021, 6:40 pm)V514DFT Noticed the 44 has been mentioned a few times for its link to Whitley Bay, since the 306 has been going there a few years now (clearly makes money) then what about this
306 Hazlerigg-Whitley Bay obviously it won't be the same route as the route the 44 took,possibly start it off with an hourly frequency to Hazlerigg
(15 Oct 2021, 7:18 pm)Rob44 doesn't the 44 interwork with the 43 and 45. otherwise i think its a cracking idea..... they should never have changed the 44 in the fisrt place but from what i was told it was all to do with delays going through the city centre, especially on the wbay to hazlerigg route. Need to think about that ooIf Arriva do a "big change MK3" next year (last ones in 2010, 2012) and reduce the 306 & 308 to every 20 mins each, there'd be potential scope for an X38 running every 30 mins Mon-Sat. Same route as 308 from Blyth to Coast Road / Norham Road then non stop to Newcastle.
(15 Oct 2021, 7:18 pm)Rob44 doesn't the 44 interwork with the 43 and 45. otherwise i think its a cracking idea..... they should never have changed the 44 in the fisrt place but from what i was told it was all to do with delays going through the city centre, especially on the wbay to hazlerigg route. Need to think about that ooIf Arriva do a "big change MK3" next year (last ones in 2010, 2012) and reduce the 306 & 308 to every 20 mins each, there'd be potential scope for an X38 running every 30 mins Mon-Sat. Same route as 308 from Blyth to Coast Road / Norham Road then non stop to Newcastle.
(15 Oct 2021, 10:45 pm)L469 YVK If Arriva do a "big change MK3" next year (last ones in 2010, 2012) and reduce the 306 & 308 to every 20 mins each, there'd be potential scope for an X38 running every 30 mins Mon-Sat. Same route as 308 from Blyth to Coast Road / Norham Road then non stop to Newcastle.It would be nice to see Arriva do some major services changes
Could get away with using boneshakers (as long as Euro 6) as that's how GNE started out with the X21 and then if there's growth, look at newer vehicles. The big advantage ANE would have of course depending on vehicle type used would be the ability to interwork with other services in Blyth.
(15 Oct 2021, 10:45 pm)L469 YVK If Arriva do a "big change MK3" next year (last ones in 2010, 2012) and reduce the 306 & 308 to every 20 mins each, there'd be potential scope for an X38 running every 30 mins Mon-Sat. Same route as 308 from Blyth to Coast Road / Norham Road then non stop to Newcastle.It would be nice to see Arriva do some major services changes
Could get away with using boneshakers (as long as Euro 6) as that's how GNE started out with the X21 and then if there's growth, look at newer vehicles. The big advantage ANE would have of course depending on vehicle type used would be the ability to interwork with other services in Blyth.
(15 Oct 2021, 10:45 pm)L469 YVK If Arriva do a "big change MK3" next year (last ones in 2010, 2012) and reduce the 306 & 308 to every 20 mins each, there'd be potential scope for an X38 running every 30 mins Mon-Sat. Same route as 308 from Blyth to Coast Road / Norham Road then non stop to Newcastle.
Could get away with using boneshakers (as long as Euro 6) as that's how GNE started out with the X21 and then if there's growth, look at newer vehicles. The big advantage ANE would have of course depending on vehicle type used would be the ability to interwork with other services in Blyth.
(15 Oct 2021, 10:45 pm)L469 YVK If Arriva do a "big change MK3" next year (last ones in 2010, 2012) and reduce the 306 & 308 to every 20 mins each, there'd be potential scope for an X38 running every 30 mins Mon-Sat. Same route as 308 from Blyth to Coast Road / Norham Road then non stop to Newcastle.
Could get away with using boneshakers (as long as Euro 6) as that's how GNE started out with the X21 and then if there's growth, look at newer vehicles. The big advantage ANE would have of course depending on vehicle type used would be the ability to interwork with other services in Blyth.
(16 Oct 2021, 12:54 am)Train8261 It would be nice to see Arriva do some major services changes
(16 Oct 2021, 12:54 am)Train8261 It would be nice to see Arriva do some major services changes
(16 Oct 2021, 1:18 am)mb134 For what reason? To appease some enthusiasts?So you think the Arriva network is stable
The current network has been quite stable for a number of years now, changing it for no reason at a time like this will only cause confusion and potentially lose passengers. Having lived in a city where the main operator changed the network frequently, Arriva's approach of stability and familiarity is far better.
(16 Oct 2021, 1:18 am)mb134 For what reason? To appease some enthusiasts?So you think the Arriva network is stable
The current network has been quite stable for a number of years now, changing it for no reason at a time like this will only cause confusion and potentially lose passengers. Having lived in a city where the main operator changed the network frequently, Arriva's approach of stability and familiarity is far better.
(16 Oct 2021, 1:13 am)peter You've been making this suggestion of an X38 service for about 6 years now, and 6 years later we've still yet to see it materialise...talk about a dog with a bone! The fact that Arriva haven't made any major changes suggests network consistency is their present strategy, which I certainly can't see changing.No reason it couldn't work though. The old 44 used to get decent loadings particularly on Saturdays.
(16 Oct 2021, 1:13 am)peter You've been making this suggestion of an X38 service for about 6 years now, and 6 years later we've still yet to see it materialise...talk about a dog with a bone! The fact that Arriva haven't made any major changes suggests network consistency is their present strategy, which I certainly can't see changing.No reason it couldn't work though. The old 44 used to get decent loadings particularly on Saturdays.
(16 Oct 2021, 1:18 am)mb134 For what reason? To appease some enthusiasts?Whilst I think there is some room for improvement and new links to be made within Arriva's network, the stability of routes & timetables (until recently where cuts were made on higher frequency routes) its much more reassuring to passengers having as little changes as possible to keep things simple, feel for some of GNE's passengers where things keep changing quite dramatically in some cases that messes up everyone's travel arrangements for employment, education and leisure purposes potentially making journeys no longer possible or unattractive.
The current network has been quite stable for a number of years now, changing it for no reason at a time like this will only cause confusion and potentially lose passengers. Having lived in a city where the main operator changed the network frequently, Arriva's approach of stability and familiarity is far better.
(16 Oct 2021, 1:18 am)mb134 For what reason? To appease some enthusiasts?Whilst I think there is some room for improvement and new links to be made within Arriva's network, the stability of routes & timetables (until recently where cuts were made on higher frequency routes) its much more reassuring to passengers having as little changes as possible to keep things simple, feel for some of GNE's passengers where things keep changing quite dramatically in some cases that messes up everyone's travel arrangements for employment, education and leisure purposes potentially making journeys no longer possible or unattractive.
The current network has been quite stable for a number of years now, changing it for no reason at a time like this will only cause confusion and potentially lose passengers. Having lived in a city where the main operator changed the network frequently, Arriva's approach of stability and familiarity is far better.
(15 Oct 2021, 7:18 pm)Rob44 doesn't the 44 interwork with the 43 and 45. otherwise i think its a cracking idea..... they should never have changed the 44 in the fisrt place but from what i was told it was all to do with delays going through the city centre, especially on the wbay to hazlerigg route. Need to think about that ooIt does,but the 44 could be left as is if the 306 was hourly
(16 Oct 2021, 2:08 am)Train8261 So you think the Arriva network is stableIf you look closely though Stagecoach arent as 'stable' as you think,take Newcastle for example,the last major change was 2003,when they restructured the network,now look at it,reliability issues all over the place (even before Covid),and whats SC's answer, 'we dont plan to make and route changes anytime soon',the only service they run that hasnt changed much is the 100,so that says to me they're happy with the way it is and frankly dont give a s**t about their punters and the experience(s) they have
The only major network of bus routes stable is Stagecoach. They haven't made a major service change in years
(15 Oct 2021, 7:18 pm)Rob44 doesn't the 44 interwork with the 43 and 45. otherwise i think its a cracking idea..... they should never have changed the 44 in the fisrt place but from what i was told it was all to do with delays going through the city centre, especially on the wbay to hazlerigg route. Need to think about that ooIt does,but the 44 could be left as is if the 306 was hourly
(16 Oct 2021, 2:08 am)Train8261 So you think the Arriva network is stableIf you look closely though Stagecoach arent as 'stable' as you think,take Newcastle for example,the last major change was 2003,when they restructured the network,now look at it,reliability issues all over the place (even before Covid),and whats SC's answer, 'we dont plan to make and route changes anytime soon',the only service they run that hasnt changed much is the 100,so that says to me they're happy with the way it is and frankly dont give a s**t about their punters and the experience(s) they have
The only major network of bus routes stable is Stagecoach. They haven't made a major service change in years
(16 Oct 2021, 2:08 am)Train8261 So you think the Arriva network is stable
The only major network of bus routes stable is Stagecoach. They haven't made a major service change in years
In Durham make a 56X or X56 that is faster between Durham, Ferryhill & Bishop Auckland.
It would go Durham, Shincliffe, Bowburn then A688 to Metal Bridge, Ferryhill, Chilton, then A689 to Bishop Auckland
Just been looking into the new TransPennine Express services to/from Widdrington, and how they connect with buses to/from Ashington.
I'd suggest that Arriva retime the 1525 #1 from Widdrington Station (Grange Road) to leave at 1530 instead, reaching the railway station at 1533 (previously 1528). Not only will this connect with the 1529 TPE arrival from Edinburgh and Berwick and provide connections to Ellington, Cresswell, Lynemouth and Ashington, it'll factor into account the delays the 1525 would have faced when the level crossing barriers dropped for the TPE train anyway.
Using the existing bus timetable and the upcoming TPE timetable, the following bus-train connections are possible:
(16 Oct 2021, 8:47 pm)mb134 Point me to the last big shake up of Arriva services, particularly north of the Tyne.that was a huge disaster
(16 Oct 2021, 8:47 pm)mb134 Point me to the last big shake up of Arriva services, particularly north of the Tyne.that was a huge disaster
Some suggestions for Northumberland services...
2: Blyth - Bedlington Station - Bedlington - Guide Post - Stobhill - Morpeth - Kirkhill
(21 Dec 2021, 9:54 pm)omnicity4659 Some suggestions for Northumberland services...
2: Blyth - Bedlington Station - Bedlington - Guide Post - Stobhill - Morpeth - Kirkhill
- Will serve Red House Farm in Bedlington on all journeys, replacing the 43.
- Truncated to run as far as Morpeth only, with journeys to Kirkhill replaced by 35A.
X20: Alnwick - Amble - Widdrington - Ashington - North Seaton - Newcastle
- Altered to run via Hawthorn Road in Ashington, instead of Alexandra Road.
X21: Newcastle - Nedderton - Bedlington - Bedlington Station - Milburn Road - Ashington - Wansbeck Hospital - Newbiggin
- Altered to run via Woodhorn after Wansbeck Hospital, instead of Spital.
- Terminating at Cresswell Arms after Seacrest Road.
- Frequency remains every 20 minutes.
X22: Newcastle - Bedlington - Guide Post - Stakeford - Fallowfield - Ashington
- Extended to Newbiggin after Ashington, running via Alexandra Road, North Seaton, The Demesne and Spital.
- Terminating at Seacrest Road after St Andrew's Church.
- Frequency remains every 20 minutes.
35: Morpeth - Pegswood - Ashington - North Seaton - Newbiggin - Woodhorn
- Truncated to run as far as Cresswell Arms, instead of to Woodhorn and Seacrest Road.
- Extended to Morpeth station and Stobhill (35) and Kirkhill (35A), every 30 minutes on each extension.
- Altered to run via North Seaton Spar, instead of via The Demesne.
- Frequency will be every 15 minutes between Morpeth and Ashington, every 30 minutes to North Seaton & Newbiggin.
43: Newcastle - Wideopen - Seaton Burn - Dudley - Cramlington - Bedlington - Morpeth
- Truncated to run between Newcastle and Cramlington only.
Positives
- Newbiggin gets 8 buses per hour, up from 6.
- Woodhorn Road in Newbiggin gets an extra bus per hour, with faster journeys to Wansbeck Hospital & Ashington.
- More buses per hour to North Seaton (6) and Alexandra Road (3).
- Hawthorn Road in Ashington will retain 3 buses per hour, with a reinstated fast link to Newcastle on X20.
- Direct access to Morpeth railway station from Ashington and Pegswood, linking with improved rail service provision.
- More buses per hour to Red House Farm in Bedlington and Stobhill in Morpeth.
- Every 15 minute service between Morpeth, Pegswood and Ashington reinstated.
Negatives
- Loss of service between Nedderton and Stobhill.
- Loss of 1 bus per hour between Bedlington and Cramlington.
- Kirkhill loses direct access to Morpeth railway station, and onwards to Blyth.
- Newbiggin, North Seaton and Hawthorn Road loses 1 bus per hour to Morpeth.
(21 Dec 2021, 9:54 pm)omnicity4659 Some suggestions for Northumberland services...
2: Blyth - Bedlington Station - Bedlington - Guide Post - Stobhill - Morpeth - Kirkhill
- Will serve Red House Farm in Bedlington on all journeys, replacing the 43.
- Truncated to run as far as Morpeth only, with journeys to Kirkhill replaced by 35A.
X20: Alnwick - Amble - Widdrington - Ashington - North Seaton - Newcastle
- Altered to run via Hawthorn Road in Ashington, instead of Alexandra Road.
X21: Newcastle - Nedderton - Bedlington - Bedlington Station - Milburn Road - Ashington - Wansbeck Hospital - Newbiggin
- Altered to run via Woodhorn after Wansbeck Hospital, instead of Spital.
- Terminating at Cresswell Arms after Seacrest Road.
- Frequency remains every 20 minutes.
X22: Newcastle - Bedlington - Guide Post - Stakeford - Fallowfield - Ashington
- Extended to Newbiggin after Ashington, running via Alexandra Road, North Seaton, The Demesne and Spital.
- Terminating at Seacrest Road after St Andrew's Church.
- Frequency remains every 20 minutes.
35: Morpeth - Pegswood - Ashington - North Seaton - Newbiggin - Woodhorn
- Truncated to run as far as Cresswell Arms, instead of to Woodhorn and Seacrest Road.
- Extended to Morpeth station and Stobhill (35) and Kirkhill (35A), every 30 minutes on each extension.
- Altered to run via North Seaton Spar, instead of via The Demesne.
- Frequency will be every 15 minutes between Morpeth and Ashington, every 30 minutes to North Seaton & Newbiggin.
43: Newcastle - Wideopen - Seaton Burn - Dudley - Cramlington - Bedlington - Morpeth
- Truncated to run between Newcastle and Cramlington only.
Positives
- Newbiggin gets 8 buses per hour, up from 6.
- Woodhorn Road in Newbiggin gets an extra bus per hour, with faster journeys to Wansbeck Hospital & Ashington.
- More buses per hour to North Seaton (6) and Alexandra Road (3).
- Hawthorn Road in Ashington will retain 3 buses per hour, with a reinstated fast link to Newcastle on X20.
- Direct access to Morpeth railway station from Ashington and Pegswood, linking with improved rail service provision.
- More buses per hour to Red House Farm in Bedlington and Stobhill in Morpeth.
- Every 15 minute service between Morpeth, Pegswood and Ashington reinstated.
Negatives
- Loss of service between Nedderton and Stobhill.
- Loss of 1 bus per hour between Bedlington and Cramlington.
- Kirkhill loses direct access to Morpeth railway station, and onwards to Blyth.
- Newbiggin, North Seaton and Hawthorn Road loses 1 bus per hour to Morpeth.
(22 Dec 2021, 1:53 pm)Storx X7: Additionally serve Amersham Drive (Every 20 Minutes)
- Increase services between Seaton Valley and Newcastle/Blyth
- Reduce services through Burradon and Newcastle (there's too many imo).
- Increased and evening service for Amersham Drive.
(22 Dec 2021, 1:53 pm)Storx X7: Additionally serve Amersham Drive (Every 20 Minutes)
- Increase services between Seaton Valley and Newcastle/Blyth
- Reduce services through Burradon and Newcastle (there's too many imo).
- Increased and evening service for Amersham Drive.
What about a service between Durham & Oakenshaw.
(28 Dec 2021, 3:44 pm)L469 YVK At Haymarket waiting for mate and queue for 1545 X22 is big.
Could Arriva not do a 20 minute frequency between Ashington & Newcastle on Sundays & Bank Holidays (2x X21ph, 1x X22 ph)?
(28 Dec 2021, 3:44 pm)L469 YVK At Haymarket waiting for mate and queue for 1545 X22 is big.
Could Arriva not do a 20 minute frequency between Ashington & Newcastle on Sundays & Bank Holidays (2x X21ph, 1x X22 ph)?
