Arriva North East: Service Suggestions
Arriva North East: Service Suggestions
(04 Aug 2022, 12:10 pm)Unber43 The 25 is the 62 which mostly runs in GNE territory if it apparently didn't work for GNE arriva aren't going to stand the chance, especially with them being the odd one out in the Sunderland area.Was just a few ideas. You would be surprised how many people go to Dalton Park from Hartlepool as well and a Service to Seaham especially during holidays would actually work especially with trains not been very reliable and packed. I meant to put X23 instead of X22. One of the problems with this forum is mean people moan about services not been good enough or services been cut when they needed yet when suggestions are made people just say it won’t work. Nobody can know for sure unless things get tried though.
27 again that is pretty much the X1, however I never really understood why the X1, atleast 1 per hour never has again it would pretty much have Arriva sticking out like a sore thumb and it would push more people away from buses, same with the 26. Also I can't imagine many people want to go to Hartlepool from Seaham/Dalton Park.
If anything Hartlepool to Dalton Park should be a bigger part of an express similar to the X22 (which I believe is already a service in the Peterlee area), and every 30 mins between Dalton Park and Newcastle I doubt would work through Arriva maybe with GNE operating it but Arriva wouldn’t stand a chance.
(04 Aug 2022, 12:10 pm)Unber43 The 25 is the 62 which mostly runs in GNE territory if it apparently didn't work for GNE arriva aren't going to stand the chance, especially with them being the odd one out in the Sunderland area.Was just a few ideas. You would be surprised how many people go to Dalton Park from Hartlepool as well and a Service to Seaham especially during holidays would actually work especially with trains not been very reliable and packed. I meant to put X23 instead of X22. One of the problems with this forum is mean people moan about services not been good enough or services been cut when they needed yet when suggestions are made people just say it won’t work. Nobody can know for sure unless things get tried though.
27 again that is pretty much the X1, however I never really understood why the X1, atleast 1 per hour never has again it would pretty much have Arriva sticking out like a sore thumb and it would push more people away from buses, same with the 26. Also I can't imagine many people want to go to Hartlepool from Seaham/Dalton Park.
If anything Hartlepool to Dalton Park should be a bigger part of an express similar to the X22 (which I believe is already a service in the Peterlee area), and every 30 mins between Dalton Park and Newcastle I doubt would work through Arriva maybe with GNE operating it but Arriva wouldn’t stand a chance.
The 62 failed because it went through Horden, at least going by what people in the local Facebook group were moaning about. It increased the journey time to Peterlee for little benefit, and introduced a longer walk for those using to get to either EDC or Easington Academy.
I think they'd be much better (if they were tapping into the Seaham & Dawdon - Easington/Peterlee market) by just diverting the 22 via Dawdon & the harbour, even if it was just once per hour as the 22A.
(04 Aug 2022, 7:35 pm)F114TML The 62 failed because it went through Horden, at least going by what people in the local Facebook group were moaning about. It increased the journey time to Peterlee for little benefit, and introduced a longer walk for those using to get to either EDC or Easington Academy.Would it not be better if the 23 did there as the 22 seems long enough as it is.
I think they'd be much better (if they were tapping into the Seaham & Dawdon - Easington/Peterlee market) by just diverting the 22 via Dawdon & the harbour, even if it was just once per hour as the 22A.
(04 Aug 2022, 7:35 pm)F114TML The 62 failed because it went through Horden, at least going by what people in the local Facebook group were moaning about. It increased the journey time to Peterlee for little benefit, and introduced a longer walk for those using to get to either EDC or Easington Academy.Would it not be better if the 23 did there as the 22 seems long enough as it is.
I think they'd be much better (if they were tapping into the Seaham & Dawdon - Easington/Peterlee market) by just diverting the 22 via Dawdon & the harbour, even if it was just once per hour as the 22A.
(04 Aug 2022, 8:56 pm)col87 Would it not be better if the 23 did there as the 22 seems long enough as it is.Yeah but that conflicts with my statement as to why the 62 failed
(04 Aug 2022, 8:56 pm)col87 Would it not be better if the 23 did there as the 22 seems long enough as it is.Yeah but that conflicts with my statement as to why the 62 failed
(04 Aug 2022, 7:35 pm)F114TML The 62 failed because it went through Horden, at least going by what people in the local Facebook group were moaning about. It increased the journey time to Peterlee for little benefit, and introduced a longer walk for those using to get to either EDC or Easington Academy.
I think they'd be much better (if they were tapping into the Seaham & Dawdon - Easington/Peterlee market) by just diverting the 22 via Dawdon & the harbour, even if it was just once per hour as the 22A.
(04 Aug 2022, 7:35 pm)F114TML The 62 failed because it went through Horden, at least going by what people in the local Facebook group were moaning about. It increased the journey time to Peterlee for little benefit, and introduced a longer walk for those using to get to either EDC or Easington Academy.
I think they'd be much better (if they were tapping into the Seaham & Dawdon - Easington/Peterlee market) by just diverting the 22 via Dawdon & the harbour, even if it was just once per hour as the 22A.
(04 Aug 2022, 9:32 pm)Storx Surely the 62 failed because of:I don't think 22/23 really had any impact because the 202 was always popular before, however its the timings with the X6.
The 22/23 is quicker between Sunderland and Easington / Peterlee and more frequent
The X6 is quicker between Seaham and Peterlee
The X6 left 5 mins apart between Seaham and Sunderland
The X1 does South Hetton and Easington Lane to Peterlee quicker
Once you take all that out what exactly did it do, Easington to Seaham / South Hetton via the world and Murton to Peterlee around the world as there's nothing else there really (the 55 still existed at the time).
(04 Aug 2022, 9:32 pm)Storx Surely the 62 failed because of:I don't think 22/23 really had any impact because the 202 was always popular before, however its the timings with the X6.
The 22/23 is quicker between Sunderland and Easington / Peterlee and more frequent
The X6 is quicker between Seaham and Peterlee
The X6 left 5 mins apart between Seaham and Sunderland
The X1 does South Hetton and Easington Lane to Peterlee quicker
Once you take all that out what exactly did it do, Easington to Seaham / South Hetton via the world and Murton to Peterlee around the world as there's nothing else there really (the 55 still existed at the time).
(04 Aug 2022, 9:32 pm)Storx Surely the 62 failed because of:The route it replaced (the 202) was fine though.
The 22/23 is quicker between Sunderland and Easington / Peterlee and more frequent
The X6 is quicker between Seaham and Peterlee
The X6 left 5 mins apart between Seaham and Sunderland
The X1 does South Hetton and Easington Lane to Peterlee quicker
Once you take all that out what exactly did it do, Easington to Seaham / South Hetton via the world and Murton to Peterlee around the world as there's nothing else there really (the 55 still existed at the time).
(04 Aug 2022, 9:32 pm)Storx Surely the 62 failed because of:The route it replaced (the 202) was fine though.
The 22/23 is quicker between Sunderland and Easington / Peterlee and more frequent
The X6 is quicker between Seaham and Peterlee
The X6 left 5 mins apart between Seaham and Sunderland
The X1 does South Hetton and Easington Lane to Peterlee quicker
Once you take all that out what exactly did it do, Easington to Seaham / South Hetton via the world and Murton to Peterlee around the world as there's nothing else there really (the 55 still existed at the time).
(04 Aug 2022, 9:39 pm)F114TML The route it replaced (the 202) was fine though.
The 62 and 202 had decent loads throughout from what I experienced, so it wasn't even that much of a failure. And now Dawdon has completely lost its service to Dalton Park and Peterlee.
(04 Aug 2022, 9:39 pm)F114TML The route it replaced (the 202) was fine though.
The 62 and 202 had decent loads throughout from what I experienced, so it wasn't even that much of a failure. And now Dawdon has completely lost its service to Dalton Park and Peterlee.
(04 Aug 2022, 11:16 pm)Storx tbh it's all down the 65 being upped to every 30 minutes which really wasn't needed imo.I know people who use the 65 who said through Seaham-Durham it is always busy. When i've seen it all over parts of its route its quite busy I got on it from Hetton to Durham and it was quite full.
The whole network around there someone needs to sit down and think what's going on tbh. Low Moorsley a population of about 300 people have a better bus service than Murton and South Hetton it's just messed up and I'm really not sure whether they really need 5 X1's South of Houghton an hour. It's a waste of resources imo.
(04 Aug 2022, 11:16 pm)Storx tbh it's all down the 65 being upped to every 30 minutes which really wasn't needed imo.I know people who use the 65 who said through Seaham-Durham it is always busy. When i've seen it all over parts of its route its quite busy I got on it from Hetton to Durham and it was quite full.
The whole network around there someone needs to sit down and think what's going on tbh. Low Moorsley a population of about 300 people have a better bus service than Murton and South Hetton it's just messed up and I'm really not sure whether they really need 5 X1's South of Houghton an hour. It's a waste of resources imo.
(12 Aug 2022, 5:44 pm)peter There wouldn't be enough space at Blyth to house the 43/44/45, 52/53/54 and 306 on top of their current routes.Other than maybe the following which could happen, Northumbria has a pretty stable and solid network.
One thing I have noticed which may not be a coincidence is the 30th October is when the Covid money runs out...perhaps we've got some cuts coming so there is enough room for everything at Blyth (apart from the midibus routes and 685).
Will be interesting to see how this plays out after Union action at CLS.
(12 Aug 2022, 5:44 pm)peter There wouldn't be enough space at Blyth to house the 43/44/45, 52/53/54 and 306 on top of their current routes.Other than maybe the following which could happen, Northumbria has a pretty stable and solid network.
One thing I have noticed which may not be a coincidence is the 30th October is when the Covid money runs out...perhaps we've got some cuts coming so there is enough room for everything at Blyth (apart from the midibus routes and 685).
(12 Aug 2022, 8:27 pm)Malarkey Could the likes of Services 1/2 interwork or merge with 308 for example in order to reduce PVR at Blyth, furthermore is there really the need for the amount of Services that go through Gosforth/Regent Centre and Blyth, could some of these express service again be merged into normal standard services such as the 52/54/55 with the X7/X8 given they operate through similar corridors.
(12 Aug 2022, 8:27 pm)Malarkey Could the likes of Services 1/2 interwork or merge with 308 for example in order to reduce PVR at Blyth, furthermore is there really the need for the amount of Services that go through Gosforth/Regent Centre and Blyth, could some of these express service again be merged into normal standard services such as the 52/54/55 with the X7/X8 given they operate through similar corridors.
(12 Aug 2022, 8:51 pm)Storx Merging the 52/54/55 and X7 is a just a big no unless you want to kill the route for a second time, they tried it before and people voted with their feet.
I don't think the X8 will survive though unless something changes and will merge with the 52 somehow at some point, they're both a bit samey.
I know this isn't a suggestions thread but imo doing either these:
X7 - Do the old 363 route via Fern Drive
52 - Current route to Burradon, then X8 route to Blyth
X8 - Withdrawn
or
X7 - Same
52 - Same extended to Blyth via X8 route
X20 - Additionally serve High Pit and Annitsford like the old X24/X25 omitting Cramlington (they're covered by the 57A and X9 anyway)
X8 - Withdrawn
Haven't decided which would be better but the X20 is a quiet route aswell and Burradon only ever used to have a 30 minute service with the 363/364 for years until they rerouted the X24/X25 through there.
(12 Aug 2022, 8:51 pm)Storx Merging the 52/54/55 and X7 is a just a big no unless you want to kill the route for a second time, they tried it before and people voted with their feet.
I don't think the X8 will survive though unless something changes and will merge with the 52 somehow at some point, they're both a bit samey.
I know this isn't a suggestions thread but imo doing either these:
X7 - Do the old 363 route via Fern Drive
52 - Current route to Burradon, then X8 route to Blyth
X8 - Withdrawn
or
X7 - Same
52 - Same extended to Blyth via X8 route
X20 - Additionally serve High Pit and Annitsford like the old X24/X25 omitting Cramlington (they're covered by the 57A and X9 anyway)
X8 - Withdrawn
Haven't decided which would be better but the X20 is a quiet route aswell and Burradon only ever used to have a 30 minute service with the 363/364 for years until they rerouted the X24/X25 through there.
(12 Aug 2022, 9:17 pm)solsburian Any more changes to extend the already lengthy X7 journey times will probably will kill it again, possibly unless Arriva extend the Cramlington Routesaver validity into Seaton Valley to compensate. The fares are already far to high for Seaton Valley and have been for too long IMHO.
(12 Aug 2022, 9:17 pm)solsburian Any more changes to extend the already lengthy X7 journey times will probably will kill it again, possibly unless Arriva extend the Cramlington Routesaver validity into Seaton Valley to compensate. The fares are already far to high for Seaton Valley and have been for too long IMHO.
(12 Aug 2022, 9:17 pm)minibus1474 Transfer 44/45 to Belmont and interwork with X12
(12 Aug 2022, 9:30 pm)V514DFT What are the interworking paterns like at Jesmond
(12 Aug 2022, 9:17 pm)minibus1474 Transfer 44/45 to Belmont and interwork with X12
(12 Aug 2022, 9:30 pm)V514DFT What are the interworking paterns like at Jesmond
A hypothetical one here, would Arriva not have been better off doing a deal with GNE?
GNE > Arriva
- 21 - Arriva takes this on and operates out of Belmont.
- GNE keep the X21 to keep CMA happy.
Arriva > GNE
- All Jesmond routes bar the 306 which is kept by Arriva and moved to Blyth. 685 moved to Hexham.
* All other services split between Percy Main & Riverside.
Benefits:
- Dead mileage reduced for both operators (although GNE would need to keep the X21 > could find space at Washington maybe moving the 8 to Consett and doing remote reliefs at Stanley).
- ANE get another 'gold mine' route in their portfolio alongside the 308 as well as some drivers from GNE's CLS operation if they agreed to TUPE and move to Belmont.
- GNE get an increased presence again in North Tyneside and can (hopefully under a new MD) stabilise their network.
- ANE can have a stronger focus concentrating on Blyth & Ashington.
(13 Aug 2022, 9:42 am)Jack Gill I highly doubt GNE would give Arriva their flagship and strongest routeSo GNE would be giving up a PVR of 13x.......but in return:
(13 Aug 2022, 9:42 am)Jack Gill I highly doubt GNE would give Arriva their flagship and strongest routeSo GNE would be giving up a PVR of 13x.......but in return:
(13 Aug 2022, 9:35 am)L469 YVK A hypothetical one here, would Arriva not have been better off doing a deal with GNE?
GNE > Arriva
- 21 - Arriva takes this on and operates out of Belmont.
- GNE keep the X21 to keep CMA happy.
Arriva > GNE
- All Jesmond routes bar the 306 which is kept by Arriva and moved to Blyth. 685 moved to Hexham.
* All other services split between Percy Main & Riverside.
Benefits:
- Dead mileage reduced for both operators (although GNE would need to keep the X21 > could find space at Washington maybe moving the 8 to Consett and doing remote reliefs at Stanley).
- ANE get another 'gold mine' route in their portfolio alongside the 308 as well as some drivers from GNE's CLS operation if they agreed to TUPE and move to Belmont.
- GNE get an increased presence again in North Tyneside and can (hopefully under a new MD) stabilise their network.
- ANE can have a stronger focus concentrating on Blyth & Ashington.
(13 Aug 2022, 9:35 am)L469 YVK A hypothetical one here, would Arriva not have been better off doing a deal with GNE?
GNE > Arriva
- 21 - Arriva takes this on and operates out of Belmont.
- GNE keep the X21 to keep CMA happy.
Arriva > GNE
- All Jesmond routes bar the 306 which is kept by Arriva and moved to Blyth. 685 moved to Hexham.
* All other services split between Percy Main & Riverside.
Benefits:
- Dead mileage reduced for both operators (although GNE would need to keep the X21 > could find space at Washington maybe moving the 8 to Consett and doing remote reliefs at Stanley).
- ANE get another 'gold mine' route in their portfolio alongside the 308 as well as some drivers from GNE's CLS operation if they agreed to TUPE and move to Belmont.
- GNE get an increased presence again in North Tyneside and can (hopefully under a new MD) stabilise their network.
- ANE can have a stronger focus concentrating on Blyth & Ashington.
