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Rob44



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29 Dec 2021, 2:06 pm #1,141
(29 Dec 2021, 6:25 am)omnicity4659 I think it's about time that services on Bank Holidays that aren't heavily followed run to a normal timetable. I didn't know, along with many others, that there were two Bank Holidays this week!

I noticed that Arriva were duplicating certain journeys on the X21 yesterday though.

Eh? really?
Rob44
29 Dec 2021, 2:06 pm #1,141

(29 Dec 2021, 6:25 am)omnicity4659 I think it's about time that services on Bank Holidays that aren't heavily followed run to a normal timetable. I didn't know, along with many others, that there were two Bank Holidays this week!

I noticed that Arriva were duplicating certain journeys on the X21 yesterday though.

Eh? really?

Dan

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29 Dec 2021, 2:26 pm #1,142
(29 Dec 2021, 2:06 pm)Rob44 Eh? really?

It amazes me so many people are shocked about when bank holidays are in relation to the Christmas/New Year period.

Perhaps it's because I know how many days annual leave I've used for the days which aren't bank holidays!
Dan
29 Dec 2021, 2:26 pm #1,142

(29 Dec 2021, 2:06 pm)Rob44 Eh? really?

It amazes me so many people are shocked about when bank holidays are in relation to the Christmas/New Year period.

Perhaps it's because I know how many days annual leave I've used for the days which aren't bank holidays!

29 Dec 2021, 3:12 pm #1,143
(29 Dec 2021, 2:26 pm)Dan It amazes me so many people are shocked about when bank holidays are in relation to the Christmas/New Year period.

Perhaps it's because I know how many days annual leave I've used for the days which aren't bank holidays!
I know quite a few people who didn't know that Tuesday was also a bank holiday, they just assumed that only the one bank holiday rolled over

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streetdeckfan
29 Dec 2021, 3:12 pm #1,143

(29 Dec 2021, 2:26 pm)Dan It amazes me so many people are shocked about when bank holidays are in relation to the Christmas/New Year period.

Perhaps it's because I know how many days annual leave I've used for the days which aren't bank holidays!
I know quite a few people who didn't know that Tuesday was also a bank holiday, they just assumed that only the one bank holiday rolled over

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02 Jan 2022, 11:33 pm #1,144
Would any services benefit from using PSVAR Coaches, i'm thinking along the lines of X15/X18

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ASX_Terranova
02 Jan 2022, 11:33 pm #1,144

Would any services benefit from using PSVAR Coaches, i'm thinking along the lines of X15/X18


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Train8261



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03 Jan 2022, 12:09 am #1,145
(02 Jan 2022, 11:33 pm)ASX_Terranova Would any services benefit from using PSVAR Coaches, i'm thinking along the lines of X15/X18
They were Coaches on them routes originally (when they were number 501/505/518)
Train8261
03 Jan 2022, 12:09 am #1,145

(02 Jan 2022, 11:33 pm)ASX_Terranova Would any services benefit from using PSVAR Coaches, i'm thinking along the lines of X15/X18
They were Coaches on them routes originally (when they were number 501/505/518)

L469 YVK



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03 Jan 2022, 12:10 am #1,146
(02 Jan 2022, 11:33 pm)ASX_Terranova Would any services benefit from using PSVAR Coaches, i'm thinking along the lines of X15/X18
That's a funny one. GNE had a coach operation on the X9/X10 but soon moving away from that. 

If DB see a long term future in Arriva or Arriva are takenover with investment, high spec coach seated E400MMCs with ZF gearboxes and 10.9M length would be ideal for the X15/X18. Obviously Arriva would need a clear cascade plan for when they'd be between 5-7 years old.

Alternatively, Scania N250UD E400MMC or OM936 StreetDeck also could be an option.
L469 YVK
03 Jan 2022, 12:10 am #1,146

(02 Jan 2022, 11:33 pm)ASX_Terranova Would any services benefit from using PSVAR Coaches, i'm thinking along the lines of X15/X18
That's a funny one. GNE had a coach operation on the X9/X10 but soon moving away from that. 

If DB see a long term future in Arriva or Arriva are takenover with investment, high spec coach seated E400MMCs with ZF gearboxes and 10.9M length would be ideal for the X15/X18. Obviously Arriva would need a clear cascade plan for when they'd be between 5-7 years old.

Alternatively, Scania N250UD E400MMC or OM936 StreetDeck also could be an option.

Storx



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03 Jan 2022, 9:33 am #1,147
(02 Jan 2022, 11:33 pm)ASX_Terranova Would any services benefit from using PSVAR Coaches, i'm thinking along the lines of X15/X18

I'd love to see the 20 plate Mercedes Tourismo Greenline coaches come up here (providing they own them), there's about 7 of them doing absolutely nothing in Luton since they've withdrawn all the Greenline routes but the 757.
Storx
03 Jan 2022, 9:33 am #1,147

(02 Jan 2022, 11:33 pm)ASX_Terranova Would any services benefit from using PSVAR Coaches, i'm thinking along the lines of X15/X18

I'd love to see the 20 plate Mercedes Tourismo Greenline coaches come up here (providing they own them), there's about 7 of them doing absolutely nothing in Luton since they've withdrawn all the Greenline routes but the 757.

RMF1254



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03 Jan 2022, 9:44 am #1,148
I think North Road services might suffer from a lot of late running considering the extra time it takes to get on and off with high steps, wheelchair lifts etc. The X18 for example is basically a local stopping service north of Morpeth so would coaches be suitable? Summer loadings can be pretty high and often need a double decker on both routes, plus from a tourism point of view, double deckers give a superb view - thinking of the Warkworth - Alnwick and the coastal route north of Alnwick.
RMF1254
03 Jan 2022, 9:44 am #1,148

I think North Road services might suffer from a lot of late running considering the extra time it takes to get on and off with high steps, wheelchair lifts etc. The X18 for example is basically a local stopping service north of Morpeth so would coaches be suitable? Summer loadings can be pretty high and often need a double decker on both routes, plus from a tourism point of view, double deckers give a superb view - thinking of the Warkworth - Alnwick and the coastal route north of Alnwick.

Storx



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03 Jan 2022, 10:10 am #1,149
(03 Jan 2022, 9:44 am)RMF1254 I think North Road services might suffer from a lot of late running considering the extra time it takes to get on and off with high steps, wheelchair lifts etc. The X18 for example is basically a local stopping service north of Morpeth so would coaches be suitable? Summer loadings can be pretty high and often need a double decker on both routes, plus from a tourism point of view, double deckers give a superb view - thinking of the Warkworth - Alnwick and the coastal route north of Alnwick.

Yeah I was thinking more for the X15 rather than the X18 which agreed wouldn't be ideal through Amble etc. It's pretty much non stop, only stops at 2 bus stops through Gosforth then nothing to Morpeth then nothing bar a few villages to Alnwick.

If loadings are too high in the Summer then imo they should be creative and introduce a few peak time Newcastle -> Morpeth -> Alnwick -> (running via Denwick) -> Beadnall-> Seahouses -> Bamburgh services similar to the GNE X11. Most people would appreciate the quicker journey times on day trips rather than meandering around Amble, Broomhill and Pegwood etc anyway.
Storx
03 Jan 2022, 10:10 am #1,149

(03 Jan 2022, 9:44 am)RMF1254 I think North Road services might suffer from a lot of late running considering the extra time it takes to get on and off with high steps, wheelchair lifts etc. The X18 for example is basically a local stopping service north of Morpeth so would coaches be suitable? Summer loadings can be pretty high and often need a double decker on both routes, plus from a tourism point of view, double deckers give a superb view - thinking of the Warkworth - Alnwick and the coastal route north of Alnwick.

Yeah I was thinking more for the X15 rather than the X18 which agreed wouldn't be ideal through Amble etc. It's pretty much non stop, only stops at 2 bus stops through Gosforth then nothing to Morpeth then nothing bar a few villages to Alnwick.

If loadings are too high in the Summer then imo they should be creative and introduce a few peak time Newcastle -> Morpeth -> Alnwick -> (running via Denwick) -> Beadnall-> Seahouses -> Bamburgh services similar to the GNE X11. Most people would appreciate the quicker journey times on day trips rather than meandering around Amble, Broomhill and Pegwood etc anyway.

Adrian



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03 Jan 2022, 11:26 am #1,150
(03 Jan 2022, 10:10 am)Storx Yeah I was thinking more for the X15 rather than the X18 which agreed wouldn't be ideal through Amble etc. It's pretty much non stop, only stops at 2 bus stops through Gosforth then nothing to Morpeth then nothing bar a few villages to Alnwick.

If loadings are too high in the Summer then imo they should be creative and introduce a few peak time Newcastle -> Morpeth -> Alnwick -> (running via Denwick) -> Beadnall-> Seahouses -> Bamburgh services similar to the GNE X11. Most people would appreciate the quicker journey times on day trips rather than meandering around Amble, Broomhill and Pegwood etc anyway.

The X15 still serves 11 stops on paper between Gosforth and Morpeth, then another 31 between Morpeth and Alnwick. I'd imagine they're not all frequently used, but even stopping at 1/3 of those stops in a coach is likely to add significant delay onto your journey. You see it already with people navigating the steep steps on the X9/X10 interdecks.

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Adrian
03 Jan 2022, 11:26 am #1,150

(03 Jan 2022, 10:10 am)Storx Yeah I was thinking more for the X15 rather than the X18 which agreed wouldn't be ideal through Amble etc. It's pretty much non stop, only stops at 2 bus stops through Gosforth then nothing to Morpeth then nothing bar a few villages to Alnwick.

If loadings are too high in the Summer then imo they should be creative and introduce a few peak time Newcastle -> Morpeth -> Alnwick -> (running via Denwick) -> Beadnall-> Seahouses -> Bamburgh services similar to the GNE X11. Most people would appreciate the quicker journey times on day trips rather than meandering around Amble, Broomhill and Pegwood etc anyway.

The X15 still serves 11 stops on paper between Gosforth and Morpeth, then another 31 between Morpeth and Alnwick. I'd imagine they're not all frequently used, but even stopping at 1/3 of those stops in a coach is likely to add significant delay onto your journey. You see it already with people navigating the steep steps on the X9/X10 interdecks.


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Storx



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03 Jan 2022, 10:50 pm #1,151
(03 Jan 2022, 11:26 am)Adrian The X15 still serves 11 stops on paper between Gosforth and Morpeth, then another 31 between Morpeth and Alnwick. I'd imagine they're not all frequently used, but even stopping at 1/3 of those stops in a coach is likely to add significant delay onto your journey. You see it already with people navigating the steep steps on the X9/X10 interdecks.

Yeah that's a fair point, mind I'm not sure there many issues with timings when they were ran with the Plaxton coaches to pretty recently and ironically the Greenline coaches before that and there's no real difficulties with the Inverness to Thurso or Inverness to Aberdeen services which have similar stopping patterns.

Mind it was interesting to see the passengers moaning up in Thurso about interdeck coaches similar to the X9/X10 buses and wanted a normal coach back on - https://www.johnogroat-journal.co.uk/new...sm-204716/ over toilets.
Storx
03 Jan 2022, 10:50 pm #1,151

(03 Jan 2022, 11:26 am)Adrian The X15 still serves 11 stops on paper between Gosforth and Morpeth, then another 31 between Morpeth and Alnwick. I'd imagine they're not all frequently used, but even stopping at 1/3 of those stops in a coach is likely to add significant delay onto your journey. You see it already with people navigating the steep steps on the X9/X10 interdecks.

Yeah that's a fair point, mind I'm not sure there many issues with timings when they were ran with the Plaxton coaches to pretty recently and ironically the Greenline coaches before that and there's no real difficulties with the Inverness to Thurso or Inverness to Aberdeen services which have similar stopping patterns.

Mind it was interesting to see the passengers moaning up in Thurso about interdeck coaches similar to the X9/X10 buses and wanted a normal coach back on - https://www.johnogroat-journal.co.uk/new...sm-204716/ over toilets.

tyresmoke



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09 Jan 2022, 1:43 pm #1,152
(03 Jan 2022, 11:26 am)Adrian The X15 still serves 11 stops on paper between Gosforth and Morpeth, then another 31 between Morpeth and Alnwick. I'd imagine they're not all frequently used, but even stopping at 1/3 of those stops in a coach is likely to add significant delay onto your journey. You see it already with people navigating the steep steps on the X9/X10 interdecks.


To be fair the steps onto a Tourismo are very shallow, nothing like the Interdecks. Still have an issue should you need to load a wheelchair though!


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tyresmoke
09 Jan 2022, 1:43 pm #1,152

(03 Jan 2022, 11:26 am)Adrian The X15 still serves 11 stops on paper between Gosforth and Morpeth, then another 31 between Morpeth and Alnwick. I'd imagine they're not all frequently used, but even stopping at 1/3 of those stops in a coach is likely to add significant delay onto your journey. You see it already with people navigating the steep steps on the X9/X10 interdecks.


To be fair the steps onto a Tourismo are very shallow, nothing like the Interdecks. Still have an issue should you need to load a wheelchair though!


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03 Mar 2022, 2:25 am #1,153
Bus stops within the car parks at the new Bebside and Newsham stations have been confirmed.

To aid anyone wishing to propose services, at Bebside the bus stop will be accessible via leaving the A193 and travelling along Errington Street. The A193 is currently served by X8 (soon to be X9), X20 passes along the adjacent Spine Road and 1, 2 and X30 stops over the Spine Road at Asda.

At Newsham, the bus stops will be located to the east of the railway near Blagdon Drive, currently served by X9 (soon to be X8) with X10, X11 and X30 stopping to the west of the railway.
omnicity4659
03 Mar 2022, 2:25 am #1,153

Bus stops within the car parks at the new Bebside and Newsham stations have been confirmed.

To aid anyone wishing to propose services, at Bebside the bus stop will be accessible via leaving the A193 and travelling along Errington Street. The A193 is currently served by X8 (soon to be X9), X20 passes along the adjacent Spine Road and 1, 2 and X30 stops over the Spine Road at Asda.

At Newsham, the bus stops will be located to the east of the railway near Blagdon Drive, currently served by X9 (soon to be X8) with X10, X11 and X30 stopping to the west of the railway.

03 Mar 2022, 3:37 pm #1,154
Just fancied having a go a blyth express suggestion, decided to try and also serve Northumbria Uni.
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03 Mar 2022, 3:37 pm #1,154

Just fancied having a go a blyth express suggestion, decided to try and also serve Northumbria Uni.

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03 Mar 2022, 4:18 pm #1,155
(03 Mar 2022, 3:37 pm)ASX_Terranova Just fancied having a go a blyth express suggestion, decided to try and also serve Northumbria Uni.
Have you checked for back lanes and public footpaths this time? Wink

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Andreos1
03 Mar 2022, 4:18 pm #1,155

(03 Mar 2022, 3:37 pm)ASX_Terranova Just fancied having a go a blyth express suggestion, decided to try and also serve Northumbria Uni.
Have you checked for back lanes and public footpaths this time? Wink


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03 Mar 2022, 5:11 pm #1,156
(03 Mar 2022, 4:18 pm)Andreos1 Have you checked for back lanes and public footpaths this time? Wink

Yes i dont think the A189 has either of those, nether does coach lane, or the A1018 and its just the 1 route between Blyth & Bebside.

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ASX_Terranova
03 Mar 2022, 5:11 pm #1,156

(03 Mar 2022, 4:18 pm)Andreos1 Have you checked for back lanes and public footpaths this time? Wink

Yes i dont think the A189 has either of those, nether does coach lane, or the A1018 and its just the 1 route between Blyth & Bebside.


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06 Mar 2022, 6:37 am #1,157
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434 is currently a Northumberland County Council service contracted to Go North East, but would work around Arriva services in my suggestion so I've posted it here.

Changes to Cambois and North Blyth services
  • 434 no longer running between Ashington and Linton, now operating a bi-hourly service between Ashington and Blyth via Cambois and Bebside station.
  • New 444 running between Stannington and North Blyth via Bedlington, its estates and the south of Cambois, bi-hourly.
Timings are an example, ideally journeys to/from Bedlington and Bebside stations are timed not too far off rail arrivals and departures. A Bedlington area PlusBus ticket should also be introduced to allow travel from both Bedlington and Bebside stations to Cambois/North Blyth.
434 and 444 will provide an combined hourly outward link between Cambois/North Blyth, railway stations and shops in Blyth and Bedlington.

Change to Arriva route 1 (not in document)
  • Remains half-hourly, Wansbeck Hospital short journey extended to Linton every hour via existing 1 route to Ellington then via A1068, providing an extra bus per hour between Ashington and Ellington.
omnicity4659
06 Mar 2022, 6:37 am #1,157

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434 is currently a Northumberland County Council service contracted to Go North East, but would work around Arriva services in my suggestion so I've posted it here.

Changes to Cambois and North Blyth services
  • 434 no longer running between Ashington and Linton, now operating a bi-hourly service between Ashington and Blyth via Cambois and Bebside station.
  • New 444 running between Stannington and North Blyth via Bedlington, its estates and the south of Cambois, bi-hourly.
Timings are an example, ideally journeys to/from Bedlington and Bebside stations are timed not too far off rail arrivals and departures. A Bedlington area PlusBus ticket should also be introduced to allow travel from both Bedlington and Bebside stations to Cambois/North Blyth.
434 and 444 will provide an combined hourly outward link between Cambois/North Blyth, railway stations and shops in Blyth and Bedlington.

Change to Arriva route 1 (not in document)
  • Remains half-hourly, Wansbeck Hospital short journey extended to Linton every hour via existing 1 route to Ellington then via A1068, providing an extra bus per hour between Ashington and Ellington.

GNE6312



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06 Mar 2022, 11:16 am #1,158
(06 Mar 2022, 6:37 am)omnicity4659 434 is currently a Northumberland County Council service contracted to Go North East, but would work around Arriva services in my suggestion so I've posted it here.

Changes to Cambois and North Blyth services
  • 434 no longer running between Ashington and Linton, now operating a bi-hourly service between Ashington and Blyth via Cambois and Bebside station.
  • New 444 running between Stannington and North Blyth via Bedlington, its estates and the south of Cambois, bi-hourly.
Timings are an example, ideally journeys to/from Bedlington and Bebside stations are timed not too far off rail arrivals and departures. A Bedlington area PlusBus ticket should also be introduced to allow travel from both Bedlington and Bebside stations to Cambois/North Blyth.
434 and 444 will provide an combined hourly outward link between Cambois/North Blyth, railway stations and shops in Blyth and Bedlington.

Change to Arriva route 1 (not in document)
  • Remains half-hourly, Wansbeck Hospital short journey extended to Linton every hour via existing 1 route to Ellington then via A1068, providing an extra bus per hour between Ashington and Ellington.
Will the 444/434 be arriva in this as that makes more sense and a verry good suggestion btw
GNE6312
06 Mar 2022, 11:16 am #1,158

(06 Mar 2022, 6:37 am)omnicity4659 434 is currently a Northumberland County Council service contracted to Go North East, but would work around Arriva services in my suggestion so I've posted it here.

Changes to Cambois and North Blyth services
  • 434 no longer running between Ashington and Linton, now operating a bi-hourly service between Ashington and Blyth via Cambois and Bebside station.
  • New 444 running between Stannington and North Blyth via Bedlington, its estates and the south of Cambois, bi-hourly.
Timings are an example, ideally journeys to/from Bedlington and Bebside stations are timed not too far off rail arrivals and departures. A Bedlington area PlusBus ticket should also be introduced to allow travel from both Bedlington and Bebside stations to Cambois/North Blyth.
434 and 444 will provide an combined hourly outward link between Cambois/North Blyth, railway stations and shops in Blyth and Bedlington.

Change to Arriva route 1 (not in document)
  • Remains half-hourly, Wansbeck Hospital short journey extended to Linton every hour via existing 1 route to Ellington then via A1068, providing an extra bus per hour between Ashington and Ellington.
Will the 444/434 be arriva in this as that makes more sense and a verry good suggestion btw

08 Mar 2022, 2:24 am #1,159
(06 Mar 2022, 11:16 am)GNE6312 Will the 444/434 be arriva in this as that makes more sense and a verry good suggestion btw

For the sake of ticketing opportunities, I'd suggest so.

Although they may need a smaller bus, such as a Sprinter, for the 444 to fit through Bedlington's estates but I'm sure there'll be plenty of surplus ones available at other divisions.
omnicity4659
08 Mar 2022, 2:24 am #1,159

(06 Mar 2022, 11:16 am)GNE6312 Will the 444/434 be arriva in this as that makes more sense and a verry good suggestion btw

For the sake of ticketing opportunities, I'd suggest so.

Although they may need a smaller bus, such as a Sprinter, for the 444 to fit through Bedlington's estates but I'm sure there'll be plenty of surplus ones available at other divisions.

GNE6312



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14 Mar 2022, 9:42 am #1,160
Arriva should extend the 44/45 to Newcastle Airport on all journeys
GNE6312
14 Mar 2022, 9:42 am #1,160

Arriva should extend the 44/45 to Newcastle Airport on all journeys

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