Arriva North East: Service Suggestions
Arriva North East: Service Suggestions
(05 Apr 2015, 10:35 pm)Kuyoyo How many times - that's going BACKWARDS! Arriva are looking forwards not backwards.
(05 Apr 2015, 10:35 pm)Kuyoyo How many times - that's going BACKWARDS! Arriva are looking forwards not backwards.
(05 Apr 2015, 10:35 pm)Kuyoyo How many times - that's going BACKWARDS! Arriva are looking forwards not backwards.
(05 Apr 2015, 10:35 pm)Kuyoyo How many times - that's going BACKWARDS! Arriva are looking forwards not backwards.
(06 Apr 2015, 8:17 am)Tommy_1581 People only need to know the number and destination to get to their destination, frequencies don't matter, it's better having more services from Ashington - Newcastle than limited to a 20 minute frequency.
As for the branding - that's a good idea, 'Sapphire' and 'MAX' have nothing to do with Ashington, Bedlington etc. Something local instead of something that can be seen everywhere.
What needs to be looked at is a busway that bypasses Gosforth, that could cut 10+ minutes off the journeys.
Free Wifi, leather seating, NSAs and power sockets should come as standard in the next services to get an upgrade, not having brands that discriminate Morpeth etc. by not having 'Sapphire' on their routes.
The proposal that Davey is suggesting is a good one, this could be brought in as part as the Ashington redevelopments, but with minor timetable changes so that its quicker to pass through Ashington instead of the five sets of traffic lights around the bus station coming from Newbiggin etc.
(06 Apr 2015, 8:17 am)Tommy_1581 People only need to know the number and destination to get to their destination, frequencies don't matter, it's better having more services from Ashington - Newcastle than limited to a 20 minute frequency.
As for the branding - that's a good idea, 'Sapphire' and 'MAX' have nothing to do with Ashington, Bedlington etc. Something local instead of something that can be seen everywhere.
What needs to be looked at is a busway that bypasses Gosforth, that could cut 10+ minutes off the journeys.
Free Wifi, leather seating, NSAs and power sockets should come as standard in the next services to get an upgrade, not having brands that discriminate Morpeth etc. by not having 'Sapphire' on their routes.
The proposal that Davey is suggesting is a good one, this could be brought in as part as the Ashington redevelopments, but with minor timetable changes so that its quicker to pass through Ashington instead of the five sets of traffic lights around the bus station coming from Newbiggin etc.
From what I've seen this week when doing journeys all the way through, I think the following would be beneficial:
(06 Apr 2015, 9:51 am)mb134 From what I've seen this week when doing journeys all the way through, I think the following would be beneficial:
- Layover time at Bedlington, I noticed that if services from Newcastle were busy before reaching here it was extremely hard for drivers to keep to, or make up time before reaching Ashington. Likewise, services from Ashington, if late, could do with some time here to get passengers on and to make it easier for the driver to keep to time for the next bit, as they wouldn't have to be constantly pushing to make it up.
- A frequent Ashington/ Bedlington service to complement the express routes, I noticed that while there were a lot of people using the bus for the duration, some were hopping between a few stops.
For my local service suggestion, maybe something like this :
Ashington Bus Station - Stakeford - Bedlington Station -Bedlington- Nedderton- Bedlington Hartlands- Choppington -Guide Post- Ashington
And another bus doing the same loop but in the other direction.
(06 Apr 2015, 9:51 am)mb134 From what I've seen this week when doing journeys all the way through, I think the following would be beneficial:
- Layover time at Bedlington, I noticed that if services from Newcastle were busy before reaching here it was extremely hard for drivers to keep to, or make up time before reaching Ashington. Likewise, services from Ashington, if late, could do with some time here to get passengers on and to make it easier for the driver to keep to time for the next bit, as they wouldn't have to be constantly pushing to make it up.
- A frequent Ashington/ Bedlington service to complement the express routes, I noticed that while there were a lot of people using the bus for the duration, some were hopping between a few stops.
For my local service suggestion, maybe something like this :
Ashington Bus Station - Stakeford - Bedlington Station -Bedlington- Nedderton- Bedlington Hartlands- Choppington -Guide Post- Ashington
And another bus doing the same loop but in the other direction.
(06 Apr 2015, 9:59 am)Tommy_1581 JUST SCRAP IT! Nobody wants to go on a mile diversion that nobody uses, I'd rather change at Bedlington to hop on the X22 so I don't die of boredom.
(06 Apr 2015, 9:59 am)Tommy_1581 JUST SCRAP IT! Nobody wants to go on a mile diversion that nobody uses, I'd rather change at Bedlington to hop on the X22 so I don't die of boredom.
(06 Apr 2015, 10:01 am)mb134 That was for my local service suggestion, so that that side of Bedlington, Nedderton and the Hartlands had a local bus service that didn't impact the express punctuality
Edit: I also know, for a fact, that people do use the Nedderton section of the route, especially the section out of Bedlington.
(06 Apr 2015, 10:01 am)mb134 That was for my local service suggestion, so that that side of Bedlington, Nedderton and the Hartlands had a local bus service that didn't impact the express punctuality
Edit: I also know, for a fact, that people do use the Nedderton section of the route, especially the section out of Bedlington.
(06 Apr 2015, 10:31 am)Tommy_1581 The section along where that pub/carvery is does get well used, possibly a shuttle service '121' could link them places with the revised X21?
(06 Apr 2015, 10:31 am)Tommy_1581 The section along where that pub/carvery is does get well used, possibly a shuttle service '121' could link them places with the revised X21?
Got a few suggestions for bus service changes in Morpeth:
I've noticed a few reliability issues with the 57A, generally the 57 is spot on, but the 57A seems to be late often. I think this could possibly be down to the short layover after working the 33/X14. Also, the 2 can be late often. So, what I would suggest to happen is:
-Service 2 curtailed to operate between Blyth and Morpeth Bus Station, only serves Kirkhill evening/Sundays.
-Service 33 to operate as a standalone service, hourly between Kirkhill and Lancaster Park, and half hourly between Kirkhill and Morpeth.
-Services 57A and X14 have better layover time at Morpeth to improve reliability.
Ok folks, here is my 'not outdated or 'back in time' suggestion as to what should happen with services X21 / X22:
Timing samples:
(12 Apr 2015, 3:51 pm)tyresmoke How would you get drivers to Morpeth for reliefs on service 33? This is exactly why the whole lot is interworked at present
(12 Apr 2015, 3:51 pm)tyresmoke How would you get drivers to Morpeth for reliefs on service 33? This is exactly why the whole lot is interworked at present
X21 - Sunderland - Ryhope - New Seaham - Dalton Park - Murton - South Hetton - Easington Lane - High Pittington - Sherburn Village - A1(M) Direct - Newton Aycliffe - Aycliffe Village - Harrowgate Hill - Darlington
Replacing current X21 Hourly
X22 - Sunderland - Ryhope - New Seaham - Dalton Park - Murton - South Hetton - Easington Lane - High Pittington - Carville - Durham
Operating Hourly alongside the X21, Providing a Faster Journey Time between Sunderland and Durham compared to the existing Service 22.
X23 - Darlington - Aycliffe Village - Newton Aycliffe - A1(M) Direct - Durham - Framwellgate Moor - Chester le Street - A1(M) Direct - Low Fell - Gateshead - Newcastle
Operating Hourly providing a Service Every 20 Minutes between Durham and Newcastle alongside Service X12.
(15 Apr 2015, 7:23 pm)Malarkey X21 - Sunderland - Ryhope - New Seaham - Dalton Park - Murton - South Hetton - Easington Lane - High Pittington - Sherburn Village - A1(M) Direct - Newton Aycliffe - Aycliffe Village - Harrowgate Hill - Darlington
Replacing current X21 Hourly
X22 - Sunderland - Ryhope - New Seaham - Dalton Park - Murton - South Hetton - Easington Lane - High Pittington - Carville - Durham
Operating Hourly alongside the X21, Providing a Faster Journey Time between Sunderland and Durham compared to the existing Service 22.
X23 - Darlington - Aycliffe Village - Newton Aycliffe - A1(M) Direct - Durham - Framwellgate Moor - Chester le Street - A1(M) Direct - Low Fell - Gateshead - Newcastle
Operating Hourly providing a Service Every 20 Minutes between Durham and Newcastle alongside Service X12.
(15 Apr 2015, 7:23 pm)Malarkey X21 - Sunderland - Ryhope - New Seaham - Dalton Park - Murton - South Hetton - Easington Lane - High Pittington - Sherburn Village - A1(M) Direct - Newton Aycliffe - Aycliffe Village - Harrowgate Hill - Darlington
Replacing current X21 Hourly
X22 - Sunderland - Ryhope - New Seaham - Dalton Park - Murton - South Hetton - Easington Lane - High Pittington - Carville - Durham
Operating Hourly alongside the X21, Providing a Faster Journey Time between Sunderland and Durham compared to the existing Service 22.
X23 - Darlington - Aycliffe Village - Newton Aycliffe - A1(M) Direct - Durham - Framwellgate Moor - Chester le Street - A1(M) Direct - Low Fell - Gateshead - Newcastle
Operating Hourly providing a Service Every 20 Minutes between Durham and Newcastle alongside Service X12.
(15 Apr 2015, 7:36 pm)Jimmi Not really sure about the X21 suggestion, very few people from Darlington and Newton Aycliffe get the current 21/X21 to Sunderland (in fact I wouldn't at all be surprised if me and Dan were the only people to go this far on the 21/X21).Think it would pick up some Passengers around Murton/Dalton Park, obviously if the Service and the Links it provides were Promoted by Arriva then it may help the Service grow.
The X23 suggestion it would probably be better to run it via the A167 missing Chilton and Ferryhill out and possibly stop at all stops en-route to Durham including Croxdale as it could possibly pick up some of the GNE X21 custom as looking on Google Maps it would take the same length of time as going direct via the A1(M) and going via the A167 would also be less miles.
(15 Apr 2015, 7:36 pm)Jimmi Not really sure about the X21 suggestion, very few people from Darlington and Newton Aycliffe get the current 21/X21 to Sunderland (in fact I wouldn't at all be surprised if me and Dan were the only people to go this far on the 21/X21).Think it would pick up some Passengers around Murton/Dalton Park, obviously if the Service and the Links it provides were Promoted by Arriva then it may help the Service grow.
The X23 suggestion it would probably be better to run it via the A167 missing Chilton and Ferryhill out and possibly stop at all stops en-route to Durham including Croxdale as it could possibly pick up some of the GNE X21 custom as looking on Google Maps it would take the same length of time as going direct via the A1(M) and going via the A167 would also be less miles.
(15 Apr 2015, 7:23 pm)Malarkey X21 - Sunderland - Ryhope - New Seaham - Dalton Park - Murton - South Hetton - Easington Lane - High Pittington - Sherburn Village - A1(M) Direct - Newton Aycliffe - Aycliffe Village - Harrowgate Hill - Darlington
Replacing current X21 Hourly
X22 - Sunderland - Ryhope - New Seaham - Dalton Park - Murton - South Hetton - Easington Lane - High Pittington - Carville - Durham
Operating Hourly alongside the X21, Providing a Faster Journey Time between Sunderland and Durham compared to the existing Service 22.
X23 - Darlington - Aycliffe Village - Newton Aycliffe - A1(M) Direct - Durham - Framwellgate Moor - Chester le Street - A1(M) Direct - Low Fell - Gateshead - Newcastle
Operating Hourly providing a Service Every 20 Minutes between Durham and Newcastle alongside Service X12.
(15 Apr 2015, 7:23 pm)Malarkey X21 - Sunderland - Ryhope - New Seaham - Dalton Park - Murton - South Hetton - Easington Lane - High Pittington - Sherburn Village - A1(M) Direct - Newton Aycliffe - Aycliffe Village - Harrowgate Hill - Darlington
Replacing current X21 Hourly
X22 - Sunderland - Ryhope - New Seaham - Dalton Park - Murton - South Hetton - Easington Lane - High Pittington - Carville - Durham
Operating Hourly alongside the X21, Providing a Faster Journey Time between Sunderland and Durham compared to the existing Service 22.
X23 - Darlington - Aycliffe Village - Newton Aycliffe - A1(M) Direct - Durham - Framwellgate Moor - Chester le Street - A1(M) Direct - Low Fell - Gateshead - Newcastle
Operating Hourly providing a Service Every 20 Minutes between Durham and Newcastle alongside Service X12.
(15 Apr 2015, 7:36 pm)Jimmi Not really sure about the X21 suggestion, very few people from Darlington and Newton Aycliffe get the current 21/X21 to Sunderland (in fact I wouldn't at all be surprised if me and Dan were the only people to go this far on the 21/X21).
The X23 suggestion it would probably be better to run it via the A167 missing Chilton and Ferryhill out and possibly stop at all stops en-route to Durham including Croxdale as it could possibly pick up some of the GNE X21 custom as looking on Google Maps it would take the same length of time as going direct via the A1(M) and going via the A167 would also be less miles.
(15 Apr 2015, 7:36 pm)Jimmi Not really sure about the X21 suggestion, very few people from Darlington and Newton Aycliffe get the current 21/X21 to Sunderland (in fact I wouldn't at all be surprised if me and Dan were the only people to go this far on the 21/X21).
The X23 suggestion it would probably be better to run it via the A167 missing Chilton and Ferryhill out and possibly stop at all stops en-route to Durham including Croxdale as it could possibly pick up some of the GNE X21 custom as looking on Google Maps it would take the same length of time as going direct via the A1(M) and going via the A167 would also be less miles.