Yorkshire Bus Operations
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Transdev launch Whitby - Scarborough service.
CT Plus Yorkshire and Powell's now seem to be giving up as well.
https://www.route-one.net/news/hct-group...yorkshire/
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Not good for people who rely on buses to get to work
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(14 Sep 2022, 8:38 pm)TEN 6083
Not good for people who rely on buses to get to work
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Not good for people who rely on buses to get to work
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(15 Sep 2022, 4:42 am)Dan Presumably they’re running a Sunday service and none of their routes run on Sundays? I’d hazard a guess most are tendered too and it may be a decision that the local authority has made rather than the company.
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(15 Sep 2022, 4:42 am)Dan Presumably they’re running a Sunday service and none of their routes run on Sundays? I’d hazard a guess most are tendered too and it may be a decision that the local authority has made rather than the company.
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(15 Sep 2022, 5:05 am)streetdeckfan If the decision is made by the LA, then fair enough (the LA is wrong though!), but if they're deciding to run a Sunday service, and the Sunday service happens to literally not exist. Then that is a stupid and ridiculous decision!
People on here seem to bang on about buses being a public service, and that is a primary example of not serving the public!
(15 Sep 2022, 5:05 am)streetdeckfan If the decision is made by the LA, then fair enough (the LA is wrong though!), but if they're deciding to run a Sunday service, and the Sunday service happens to literally not exist. Then that is a stupid and ridiculous decision!
People on here seem to bang on about buses being a public service, and that is a primary example of not serving the public!
(15 Sep 2022, 4:42 am)Dan Presumably they’re running a Sunday service and none of their routes run on Sundays? I’d hazard a guess most are tendered too and it may be a decision that the local authority has made rather than the company.According to Bustimes the 64 in Leeds does run on a Sunday, but that seems to be the only one . https://bustimes.org/services/64-leeds-a...2022-09-18
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(15 Sep 2022, 4:42 am)Dan Presumably they’re running a Sunday service and none of their routes run on Sundays? I’d hazard a guess most are tendered too and it may be a decision that the local authority has made rather than the company.According to Bustimes the 64 in Leeds does run on a Sunday, but that seems to be the only one . https://bustimes.org/services/64-leeds-a...2022-09-18
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(15 Sep 2022, 1:04 pm)wibblejunior According to Bustimes the 64 in Leeds does run on a Sunday, but that seems to be the only one . https://bustimes.org/services/64-leeds-a...2022-09-18
(15 Sep 2022, 1:04 pm)wibblejunior According to Bustimes the 64 in Leeds does run on a Sunday, but that seems to be the only one . https://bustimes.org/services/64-leeds-a...2022-09-18
#Cityzap zaps for the final time on 19 Nov.
We've carried 1m customers since we started, but sadly the effects of COVID and rising costs mean that #Cityzap is no longer sustainable.
We hope to see you on #Coastliner which will continue as usual.
? https://bityl.co/Ecdy
https://twitter.com/cityzapbus/status/15...8908770304
#Cityzap zaps for the final time on 19 Nov.
We've carried 1m customers since we started, but sadly the effects of COVID and rising costs mean that #Cityzap is no longer sustainable.
We hope to see you on #Coastliner which will continue as usual.
? https://bityl.co/Ecdy
(22 Sep 2022, 9:52 am)Adrian https://twitter.com/cityzapbus/status/15...8908770304GNE E400MMC is about 73 seats, so to assume the CityZaps is 65.
More mythical 'desire' not working out then...?
1 million customers over 6 years isn't anything to shout home about. Working on a rough estimated average of 38 trips a day over 363 operating days per year, it's less than 13 customers per trip.
(22 Sep 2022, 9:52 am)Adrian https://twitter.com/cityzapbus/status/15...8908770304GNE E400MMC is about 73 seats, so to assume the CityZaps is 65.
More mythical 'desire' not working out then...?
1 million customers over 6 years isn't anything to shout home about. Working on a rough estimated average of 38 trips a day over 363 operating days per year, it's less than 13 customers per trip.
(22 Sep 2022, 9:52 am)Adrian https://twitter.com/cityzapbus/status/15...8908770304
More mythical 'desire' not working out then...?
1 million customers over 6 years isn't anything to shout home about. Working on a rough estimated average of 38 trips a day over 363 operating days per year, it's less than 13 customers per trip.
(22 Sep 2022, 9:52 am)Adrian https://twitter.com/cityzapbus/status/15...8908770304
More mythical 'desire' not working out then...?
1 million customers over 6 years isn't anything to shout home about. Working on a rough estimated average of 38 trips a day over 363 operating days per year, it's less than 13 customers per trip.
According to buslistsontheweb the Cityzap MMC's seating layouts are H41/27F, which would be 68 seats in total.
(22 Sep 2022, 11:29 am)Andreos1 I thought Covid would get the blame.But we're constantly told that these are creating desire, so where are all these folk full of desire to get on board a bus crafted by everyone's favourite design agency?
Even if you divide it up over the 4 and bit years prior to Covid, they're hardly earth shattering numbers.
(22 Sep 2022, 11:29 am)Andreos1 I thought Covid would get the blame.But we're constantly told that these are creating desire, so where are all these folk full of desire to get on board a bus crafted by everyone's favourite design agency?
Even if you divide it up over the 4 and bit years prior to Covid, they're hardly earth shattering numbers.
(22 Sep 2022, 1:32 pm)Adrian But we're constantly told that these are creating desire, so where are all these folk full of desire to get on board a bus crafted by everyone's favourite design agency?
Passenger numbers have been shrinking for years, as we both know, but covid remains the excuse of choice in the absence of any creativity to achieve growth.
(22 Sep 2022, 12:15 pm)wibblejunior According to buslistsontheweb the Cityzap MMC's seating layouts are H41/27F, which would be 68 seats in total.
(22 Sep 2022, 1:32 pm)Adrian But we're constantly told that these are creating desire, so where are all these folk full of desire to get on board a bus crafted by everyone's favourite design agency?
Passenger numbers have been shrinking for years, as we both know, but covid remains the excuse of choice in the absence of any creativity to achieve growth.
(22 Sep 2022, 12:15 pm)wibblejunior According to buslistsontheweb the Cityzap MMC's seating layouts are H41/27F, which would be 68 seats in total.
(22 Sep 2022, 5:12 pm)Jimmi COVID was likely one of the final nail in the coffin for ZAP (and many other services) although from my experiences from using the service over the years it's never been particularly busy, always carried in the region of 20-30 pax max whenever I've caught it and at least 80% of those will have been concession pass holders, may as well have bought single deckers if they felt the need to buy new stock as I think I've only seen it remotely close to full once or twice. The post-COVID reduction in frequency from half hourly to hourly certainly won't have helped bring the passengers back either.
I've always thought of CITYZAP as more of a vanity project to Hornby than anything else, I feel some other companies would've binned off it ages ago and not bought specifically high spec new buses for it. I do wonder if ZAP would've continued for much longer had the opportunity to take over operation of the X98/X99 not come up especially as they can directly redeploy all the buses from ZAP onto it.
I still feel bus companies are relying too heavily on route branding, fancy timetable leaflets and gimmicks to try and and gain/retain passengers which do work to a point but it can only go so far and I see argubly little benefit to forking out for all these things like outside design agencies to design liveries and feel the money could be better utilised elsewhere.
Sounds right as it doesn't have anywhere near as many single seats as the B7TLs did.
(22 Sep 2022, 5:12 pm)Jimmi COVID was likely one of the final nail in the coffin for ZAP (and many other services) although from my experiences from using the service over the years it's never been particularly busy, always carried in the region of 20-30 pax max whenever I've caught it and at least 80% of those will have been concession pass holders, may as well have bought single deckers if they felt the need to buy new stock as I think I've only seen it remotely close to full once or twice. The post-COVID reduction in frequency from half hourly to hourly certainly won't have helped bring the passengers back either.
I've always thought of CITYZAP as more of a vanity project to Hornby than anything else, I feel some other companies would've binned off it ages ago and not bought specifically high spec new buses for it. I do wonder if ZAP would've continued for much longer had the opportunity to take over operation of the X98/X99 not come up especially as they can directly redeploy all the buses from ZAP onto it.
I still feel bus companies are relying too heavily on route branding, fancy timetable leaflets and gimmicks to try and and gain/retain passengers which do work to a point but it can only go so far and I see argubly little benefit to forking out for all these things like outside design agencies to design liveries and feel the money could be better utilised elsewhere.
Sounds right as it doesn't have anywhere near as many single seats as the B7TLs did.
(22 Sep 2022, 5:12 pm)Jimmi I've always thought of CITYZAP as more of a vanity project to Hornby than anything else, I feel some other companies would've binned off it ages ago and not bought specifically high spec new buses for it. I do wonder if ZAP would've continued for much longer had the opportunity to take over operation of the X98/X99 not come up especially as they can directly redeploy all the buses from ZAP onto it.
I still feel bus companies are relying too heavily on route branding, fancy timetable leaflets and gimmicks to try and and gain/retain passengers which do work to a point but it can only go so far and I see argubly little benefit to forking out for all these things like outside design agencies to design liveries and feel the money could be better utilised elsewhere.
(22 Sep 2022, 5:12 pm)Jimmi I've always thought of CITYZAP as more of a vanity project to Hornby than anything else, I feel some other companies would've binned off it ages ago and not bought specifically high spec new buses for it. I do wonder if ZAP would've continued for much longer had the opportunity to take over operation of the X98/X99 not come up especially as they can directly redeploy all the buses from ZAP onto it.
I still feel bus companies are relying too heavily on route branding, fancy timetable leaflets and gimmicks to try and and gain/retain passengers which do work to a point but it can only go so far and I see argubly little benefit to forking out for all these things like outside design agencies to design liveries and feel the money could be better utilised elsewhere.
(22 Sep 2022, 6:51 pm)Storx Personally I don't actually think Covid was here.From the reactions I see on FB it seems that people prefer CityZap than the trains which are apparently "scruffy". However I don't know if that was aimed at the 195.
It was the reduction in some fares with Northern and the brand new Class 195 trains that put the nail in imo. You can use the York to Blackpool service which takes 32 minutes (twice as quick) for £1 more paying full price off peak and if you buy advance tickets, heck even buying a ticket for 7am tomorrow now or even in 15 minutes from now it's only £6 for a single which works out the same price.
There's no reason for anyone to use it quite literally unless you like sitting on buses for the hell of it especially considering it stops nowhere between York and Leeds and arguably the train station is more central than the bus station in Leeds anyway and the Class 195 have everything you get on any bus plus a toilet, better ride, no traffic, tables and so on.
It's very different to Newcastle to Stockton / Middlesbrough up here where it's Class 156 trains and they go for a merry jaunt around the world with capacity problems.
(22 Sep 2022, 6:51 pm)Storx Personally I don't actually think Covid was here.From the reactions I see on FB it seems that people prefer CityZap than the trains which are apparently "scruffy". However I don't know if that was aimed at the 195.
It was the reduction in some fares with Northern and the brand new Class 195 trains that put the nail in imo. You can use the York to Blackpool service which takes 32 minutes (twice as quick) for £1 more paying full price off peak and if you buy advance tickets, heck even buying a ticket for 7am tomorrow now or even in 15 minutes from now it's only £6 for a single which works out the same price.
There's no reason for anyone to use it quite literally unless you like sitting on buses for the hell of it especially considering it stops nowhere between York and Leeds and arguably the train station is more central than the bus station in Leeds anyway and the Class 195 have everything you get on any bus plus a toilet, better ride, no traffic, tables and so on.
It's very different to Newcastle to Stockton / Middlesbrough up here where it's Class 156 trains and they go for a merry jaunt around the world with capacity problems.
(22 Sep 2022, 7:11 pm)Unber43 From the reactions I see on FB it seems that people prefer CityZap than the trains which are apparently "scruffy". However I don't know if that was aimed at the 195.
For me I would probably pick the train as the CityZap doesn't run that late or early tbh. The train is probably more convenient I am not sure of the frequency but I am pretty sure there will be atleast 2-3x trains an hour which have plenty of carriages.
(22 Sep 2022, 7:11 pm)Unber43 From the reactions I see on FB it seems that people prefer CityZap than the trains which are apparently "scruffy". However I don't know if that was aimed at the 195.
For me I would probably pick the train as the CityZap doesn't run that late or early tbh. The train is probably more convenient I am not sure of the frequency but I am pretty sure there will be atleast 2-3x trains an hour which have plenty of carriages.
(22 Sep 2022, 8:01 pm)Storx Believe it's just hourly the Blackpool to York train, there is other services but they're quite expensive the TPE / XC trains as it's more about long distance travel so they try to price local traffic off.Tbf Refurbed 156 & 158's aren't bad, its just that they need 4 cars and not 2 car trains.
Probably people who haven't used them, believe it used to be Class 158 trains before hand which even then aren't too bad tbh.
(22 Sep 2022, 8:01 pm)Storx Believe it's just hourly the Blackpool to York train, there is other services but they're quite expensive the TPE / XC trains as it's more about long distance travel so they try to price local traffic off.Tbf Refurbed 156 & 158's aren't bad, its just that they need 4 cars and not 2 car trains.
Probably people who haven't used them, believe it used to be Class 158 trains before hand which even then aren't too bad tbh.
When people compare the cost of the train and the bus, they always seem to assume that everyone lives within walking distance, and travels to somewhere within walking distance, of a train station, which is unlikely to be the case.
Which means they're probably going to have to use another form of transport to get to the train and/or when they get to their destination.
Just as a little example, if I were to travel to Darlington, on paper it looks like taking the train from Bishop is the best option, it takes ~25 minutes compared to ~45 minutes on the bus, and for only 20p more than the bus! That's a bargain for the amount of time saved.
But, I happen to live 1.5 miles from the train station, that's a half hour walk. But, the bus to the train station only takes 5-10 minutes. However, that adds an extra £2.50 onto the cost. So, if we assume that the times line up (which they don't), then I'm paying an extra £2.70 to save 15-20 minutes.
But wait, there's more! The train station in Darlington is a 10 minute walk from where I'd want to be! So, I'm only saving 5-10 minutes, and I've had to walk half a mile!
In reality, end to end taking the 'faster' option actually takes an extra 15 minutes, and costs an extra £2.70.
