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Dan

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17 Nov 2013, 9:34 am #281
4018/23 noted refurbished.
Dan
17 Nov 2013, 9:34 am #281

4018/23 noted refurbished.

Adrian



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17 Nov 2013, 9:41 am #282
(17 Nov 2013, 9:29 am)Tom Can I ask, what is the whole point of these validators? - There aren't even any gates?

To calculate single fare when pay as you go comes in. If you didn't validate, and were travelling to somewhere like monument, your ticket wouldn't be valid to get through the barriers there.

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Adrian
17 Nov 2013, 9:41 am #282

(17 Nov 2013, 9:29 am)Tom Can I ask, what is the whole point of these validators? - There aren't even any gates?

To calculate single fare when pay as you go comes in. If you didn't validate, and were travelling to somewhere like monument, your ticket wouldn't be valid to get through the barriers there.


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Tom



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19 Nov 2013, 3:18 pm #283
''Leaf Fall Disruption Explained'' - Read at http://www.nexus.org.uk/metro/guide-metr...-explained

Leaves on the line: A detailed explanation of the issue

We know that Metro customers get hugely frustrated by delays to Metro services, especially when that is caused by low rail adhesion as a result of leaf fall.

Below is a detailed examination of the issues and why the impact of autumn can hamper train services. It is a national problem that affects train companies across the UK.

When leaves fall on to the line, particularly in damp or wet weather, the rolling action of passing wheels compresses them, causing a greasy ‘mulch’ to cover the rail.

This mulch is to rails what ice is to roads. It reduces the adhesion, or ‘co-efficient of friction’ to use the technical term, between wheel and rail. Acceleration must be reduced to prevent the wheel from slipping, and braking distances extended.

If you’re a regular Metro customer, you can probably sense the wheel “slipping” on a train if you’re travelling through an area that’s affected. This is why minor delays are more prevalent during autumn, particularly in the early morning and early evening.

The leaf mulch can also affect the operation of track circuits. Nexus has machinery to address this problem, which operates overnight on key sections of the network, spreading a special cleansing solution on the rails. Known as an RRV (Road Rail Vehicle), the specially adapted Ford Ranger truck travels around the network during the night when no trains are running, in order to treat rails ahead of the morning rush hour.

However, this can only reduce the impact of leaf mulch rather than eliminate it. The mulch is actually Teflon-like, and as hand-scrubbing could not remove all of it, the RRV is also fitted with mechanical rail scrubbers.

Nexus has also invested in Traction Gel Applicators – 5 of these units are strategically installed across the network in known areas of low rail adhesion. When a Metrocar passes over the unit, it automatically dispenses a solution called ‘traction gel’, which improves the friction between the wheel and rail interface.

Hand held applicators are also used by rapid response teams to address other areas of slipping and in an urgent situation where weather conditions change quickly, silica sand is manually applied to the rails.

The number of weeks this can continue for varies from year to year, depending on seasonal weather.
Tom
19 Nov 2013, 3:18 pm #283

''Leaf Fall Disruption Explained'' - Read at http://www.nexus.org.uk/metro/guide-metr...-explained

Leaves on the line: A detailed explanation of the issue

We know that Metro customers get hugely frustrated by delays to Metro services, especially when that is caused by low rail adhesion as a result of leaf fall.

Below is a detailed examination of the issues and why the impact of autumn can hamper train services. It is a national problem that affects train companies across the UK.

When leaves fall on to the line, particularly in damp or wet weather, the rolling action of passing wheels compresses them, causing a greasy ‘mulch’ to cover the rail.

This mulch is to rails what ice is to roads. It reduces the adhesion, or ‘co-efficient of friction’ to use the technical term, between wheel and rail. Acceleration must be reduced to prevent the wheel from slipping, and braking distances extended.

If you’re a regular Metro customer, you can probably sense the wheel “slipping” on a train if you’re travelling through an area that’s affected. This is why minor delays are more prevalent during autumn, particularly in the early morning and early evening.

The leaf mulch can also affect the operation of track circuits. Nexus has machinery to address this problem, which operates overnight on key sections of the network, spreading a special cleansing solution on the rails. Known as an RRV (Road Rail Vehicle), the specially adapted Ford Ranger truck travels around the network during the night when no trains are running, in order to treat rails ahead of the morning rush hour.

However, this can only reduce the impact of leaf mulch rather than eliminate it. The mulch is actually Teflon-like, and as hand-scrubbing could not remove all of it, the RRV is also fitted with mechanical rail scrubbers.

Nexus has also invested in Traction Gel Applicators – 5 of these units are strategically installed across the network in known areas of low rail adhesion. When a Metrocar passes over the unit, it automatically dispenses a solution called ‘traction gel’, which improves the friction between the wheel and rail interface.

Hand held applicators are also used by rapid response teams to address other areas of slipping and in an urgent situation where weather conditions change quickly, silica sand is manually applied to the rails.

The number of weeks this can continue for varies from year to year, depending on seasonal weather.

Adrian



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19 Nov 2013, 3:43 pm #284
(19 Nov 2013, 3:18 pm)Tom ''Leaf Fall Disruption Explained'' - Read at http://www.nexus.org.uk/metro/guide-metr...-explained

Phew thanks Metro. I can sleep easily at night now.

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Adrian
19 Nov 2013, 3:43 pm #284

(19 Nov 2013, 3:18 pm)Tom ''Leaf Fall Disruption Explained'' - Read at http://www.nexus.org.uk/metro/guide-metr...-explained

Phew thanks Metro. I can sleep easily at night now.


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BJ10VUS



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21 Nov 2013, 9:21 am #285
(19 Nov 2013, 3:18 pm)Tom "The number of weeks this can continue for varies from year to year, depending on seasonal weather."

I guess it's going to be 52 weeks this year? Tongue
BJ10VUS
21 Nov 2013, 9:21 am #285

(19 Nov 2013, 3:18 pm)Tom "The number of weeks this can continue for varies from year to year, depending on seasonal weather."

I guess it's going to be 52 weeks this year? Tongue

citaro5284



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23 Nov 2013, 5:06 pm #286
Fare Changes from January

http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/metr...wn-6334555
citaro5284
23 Nov 2013, 5:06 pm #286

Fare Changes from January

http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/metr...wn-6334555

Adrian



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23 Nov 2013, 5:14 pm #287
(23 Nov 2013, 5:06 pm)citaro5284 Fare Changes from January

http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/metr...wn-6334555

Great to see season tickets actually dropping in price.

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Adrian
23 Nov 2013, 5:14 pm #287

(23 Nov 2013, 5:06 pm)citaro5284 Fare Changes from January

http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/metr...wn-6334555

Great to see season tickets actually dropping in price.


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24 Nov 2013, 10:11 am #288
tyneandwear.sky.com/news/article/90164/police-release-pictures-of-man-after-alleged-indecent-act-on

Scruffy little scrotum.
Just hope he is left handed - the first photo shows his right hand over his mouth!
Edited 24 Nov 2013, 10:13 am by Andreos1.

'Illegitimis non carborundum'
Andreos1
24 Nov 2013, 10:11 am #288

tyneandwear.sky.com/news/article/90164/police-release-pictures-of-man-after-alleged-indecent-act-on

Scruffy little scrotum.
Just hope he is left handed - the first photo shows his right hand over his mouth!


'Illegitimis non carborundum'

citaro5284



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24 Nov 2013, 4:02 pm #289
(23 Nov 2013, 5:14 pm)aureolin Great to see season tickets actually dropping in price.

But is it a case of people buying other tickets having their fares increased, so subside the season tickets?
citaro5284
24 Nov 2013, 4:02 pm #289

(23 Nov 2013, 5:14 pm)aureolin Great to see season tickets actually dropping in price.

But is it a case of people buying other tickets having their fares increased, so subside the season tickets?

Adrian



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24 Nov 2013, 4:06 pm #290
(24 Nov 2013, 4:02 pm)citaro5284 But is it a case of people buying other tickets having their fares increased, so subside the season tickets?

I can't really compare. My bus season ticket has risen over 50% in 6 years. Never once seen a decrease?

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Adrian
24 Nov 2013, 4:06 pm #290

(24 Nov 2013, 4:02 pm)citaro5284 But is it a case of people buying other tickets having their fares increased, so subside the season tickets?

I can't really compare. My bus season ticket has risen over 50% in 6 years. Never once seen a decrease?


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Dan

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24 Nov 2013, 4:42 pm #291
(24 Nov 2013, 4:06 pm)aureolin I can't really compare. My bus season ticket has risen over 50% in 6 years. Never once seen a decrease?

Same story applies for most things in life though, unfortunately - whether it's a pint of milk, train tickets or indeed gas/electricity.
Dan
24 Nov 2013, 4:42 pm #291

(24 Nov 2013, 4:06 pm)aureolin I can't really compare. My bus season ticket has risen over 50% in 6 years. Never once seen a decrease?

Same story applies for most things in life though, unfortunately - whether it's a pint of milk, train tickets or indeed gas/electricity.

Adrian



9,586
24 Nov 2013, 4:55 pm #292
(24 Nov 2013, 4:42 pm)Dan Same story applies for most things in life though, unfortunately - whether it's a pint of milk, train tickets or indeed gas/electricity.

50% isn't in line with either RPI or CPI though, whereas what you spend in the shops would tend to be. I'd say it's more than double the rises of those respective indexes in the past 6 years. If bus and rail fares continue to rise well above the rate of inflation then they're just pricing people out of the market, or more importantly, forcing them to choose between heating their homes are feeding their families some cases.

That's why I welcome a decrease in season ticket cost and also the commitment towards students.

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Adrian
24 Nov 2013, 4:55 pm #292

(24 Nov 2013, 4:42 pm)Dan Same story applies for most things in life though, unfortunately - whether it's a pint of milk, train tickets or indeed gas/electricity.

50% isn't in line with either RPI or CPI though, whereas what you spend in the shops would tend to be. I'd say it's more than double the rises of those respective indexes in the past 6 years. If bus and rail fares continue to rise well above the rate of inflation then they're just pricing people out of the market, or more importantly, forcing them to choose between heating their homes are feeding their families some cases.

That's why I welcome a decrease in season ticket cost and also the commitment towards students.


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27 Nov 2013, 10:30 pm #293
http://tyneandwear.sky.com/news/article/...-boss-over

Normally runs around 80%, that is worse than some mainline train operators - I would have expected it to operate at a higher level than that.
citaro5284
27 Nov 2013, 10:30 pm #293

http://tyneandwear.sky.com/news/article/...-boss-over

Normally runs around 80%, that is worse than some mainline train operators - I would have expected it to operate at a higher level than that.

Adrian



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27 Nov 2013, 10:40 pm #294
(27 Nov 2013, 10:30 pm)citaro5284 http://tyneandwear.sky.com/news/article/...-boss-over

Normally runs around 80%, that is worse than some mainline train operators - I would have expected it to operate at a higher level than that.

Scary isn't it. All that money pissed up the wall on a failing system.

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Adrian
27 Nov 2013, 10:40 pm #294

(27 Nov 2013, 10:30 pm)citaro5284 http://tyneandwear.sky.com/news/article/...-boss-over

Normally runs around 80%, that is worse than some mainline train operators - I would have expected it to operate at a higher level than that.

Scary isn't it. All that money pissed up the wall on a failing system.


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Dan

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27 Nov 2013, 10:43 pm #295
(27 Nov 2013, 10:40 pm)aureolin Scary isn't it. All that money pissed up the wall on a failing system.

£385m is a huge amount of money, and it pisses me off something chronic when I think about how that money could have helped scrap the Metro and go towards a new dedicated bus operation.
Dan
27 Nov 2013, 10:43 pm #295

(27 Nov 2013, 10:40 pm)aureolin Scary isn't it. All that money pissed up the wall on a failing system.

£385m is a huge amount of money, and it pisses me off something chronic when I think about how that money could have helped scrap the Metro and go towards a new dedicated bus operation.

cbma06



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29 Nov 2013, 7:31 pm #296
Metro fares to go up in January:


METRO passengers face a fare hike next year.


Fares on the Tyne and Wear Metro are to be increased by an average of 2.5 per cent from Thursday, January 2.

Metro owner Nexus said the average was below July’s Retail Price Index rate of inflation.

The cost of Metro adult single, day and transfare tickets are being increased by 10p.

A one-zone single ticket goes up from £1.70 to £1.80. A Metro all-zone single goes up from £3.20 to £3.30. An-all zone Daysaver is up from £4.40 to £4.50.

The 2014 Metro fares also include improved discounts for young people and students.

Nexus director general Bernard Garner said: “It is important that during these tough times we give the best value possible to Metro customers.


http://www.sunderlandecho.com/news/busin...-1-6283639


cbma06
29 Nov 2013, 7:31 pm #296

Metro fares to go up in January:


METRO passengers face a fare hike next year.


Fares on the Tyne and Wear Metro are to be increased by an average of 2.5 per cent from Thursday, January 2.

Metro owner Nexus said the average was below July’s Retail Price Index rate of inflation.

The cost of Metro adult single, day and transfare tickets are being increased by 10p.

A one-zone single ticket goes up from £1.70 to £1.80. A Metro all-zone single goes up from £3.20 to £3.30. An-all zone Daysaver is up from £4.40 to £4.50.

The 2014 Metro fares also include improved discounts for young people and students.

Nexus director general Bernard Garner said: “It is important that during these tough times we give the best value possible to Metro customers.


http://www.sunderlandecho.com/news/busin...-1-6283639



Michael



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29 Nov 2013, 7:36 pm #297
(29 Nov 2013, 7:31 pm)cbma06 Metro fares to go up in January:


METRO passengers face a fare hike next year.


Fares on the Tyne and Wear Metro are to be increased by an average of 2.5 per cent from Thursday, January 2.

Metro owner Nexus said the average was below July’s Retail Price Index rate of inflation.

The cost of Metro adult single, day and transfare tickets are being increased by 10p.

A one-zone single ticket goes up from £1.70 to £1.80. A Metro all-zone single goes up from £3.20 to £3.30. An-all zone Daysaver is up from £4.40 to £4.50.

The 2014 Metro fares also include improved discounts for young people and students.

Nexus director general Bernard Garner said: “It is important that during these tough times we give the best value possible to Metro customers.


http://www.sunderlandecho.com/news/busin...-1-6283639

ha, after all the problems...

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.
Michael
29 Nov 2013, 7:36 pm #297

(29 Nov 2013, 7:31 pm)cbma06 Metro fares to go up in January:


METRO passengers face a fare hike next year.


Fares on the Tyne and Wear Metro are to be increased by an average of 2.5 per cent from Thursday, January 2.

Metro owner Nexus said the average was below July’s Retail Price Index rate of inflation.

The cost of Metro adult single, day and transfare tickets are being increased by 10p.

A one-zone single ticket goes up from £1.70 to £1.80. A Metro all-zone single goes up from £3.20 to £3.30. An-all zone Daysaver is up from £4.40 to £4.50.

The 2014 Metro fares also include improved discounts for young people and students.

Nexus director general Bernard Garner said: “It is important that during these tough times we give the best value possible to Metro customers.


http://www.sunderlandecho.com/news/busin...-1-6283639

ha, after all the problems...


Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

DanPicken

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30 Nov 2013, 9:34 am #298
major delays between pelaw and south hylton
DanPicken
30 Nov 2013, 9:34 am #298

major delays between pelaw and south hylton

citaro5284



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30 Nov 2013, 8:45 pm #299
Never heard this excuse used before....

There are delays to service between South Shields and The Coast due to passenger loadings after the football match this evening.
citaro5284
30 Nov 2013, 8:45 pm #299

Never heard this excuse used before....

There are delays to service between South Shields and The Coast due to passenger loadings after the football match this evening.

Adrian



9,586
30 Nov 2013, 11:50 pm #300
(30 Nov 2013, 8:45 pm)citaro5284 Never heard this excuse used before....

There are delays to service between South Shields and The Coast due to passenger loadings after the football match this evening.

Almost as bad as that rush hour traffic in Stanley on a Sunday morning. Tongue

I do agree though. Just another in a long list of Metro excuses. There's been football matches with that sort of crowd (50,000) for the past 13 years, and it's never been a problem. Most likely covering up that they've had to pull a train out of service.

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Adrian
30 Nov 2013, 11:50 pm #300

(30 Nov 2013, 8:45 pm)citaro5284 Never heard this excuse used before....

There are delays to service between South Shields and The Coast due to passenger loadings after the football match this evening.

Almost as bad as that rush hour traffic in Stanley on a Sunday morning. Tongue

I do agree though. Just another in a long list of Metro excuses. There's been football matches with that sort of crowd (50,000) for the past 13 years, and it's never been a problem. Most likely covering up that they've had to pull a train out of service.


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