Tyne and Wear Metro
Tyne and Wear Metro
Last year or so of 'Metro Charter' posters attached. Metro, for whatever reason, don't seem to publish these on the website any more.
Gotta admit, my 56 late this morning was mainly standing because of the disruption. I'd say half of the people getting on were asking the driver about the Metro delays. (eg, where is the nearest station? - or can I use this card on here?).
(08 Nov 2014, 10:12 am)Dan Surely not another train up in flames!
(08 Nov 2014, 10:12 am)Dan Surely not another train up in flames!
First one of the day
Tyne and Wear Metro
17 mins ·
There are minor delays to trains running between Felling and Airport and The Coast due to a failed train. Please leave extra time for your journey.
Edit: Someone has kindly gave people a list of failures this week...
Metro excuses for this week!!!
Sunday - failed train
Monday - leaves on the track
Tuesday - leaves on the track
Wednesday - short of drivers
Thursday - points failed
Friday- failed train
Saturday - failed train...
(09 Nov 2014, 12:57 am)Bus_User You should work in the media, talk about exaggeration! Going by the reports, if this train was on fire then i am doubtful passengers would remain on the train for 20 mins.
Seems similar to the last incident where smoke was reported to enter the interior but does not fully mean there was a fire... could be a brake overheating issue or something like that. Either way, can't cover the cracks that its another reliability issue though.
(09 Nov 2014, 12:57 am)Bus_User You should work in the media, talk about exaggeration! Going by the reports, if this train was on fire then i am doubtful passengers would remain on the train for 20 mins.
Seems similar to the last incident where smoke was reported to enter the interior but does not fully mean there was a fire... could be a brake overheating issue or something like that. Either way, can't cover the cracks that its another reliability issue though.
(09 Nov 2014, 10:43 am)Dan I was going by the only 'report' I read: the one citaro5284 copied and pasted to this forum. If customers are being 'choked by smoke' it sounds quite serious indeed, and if this is a recurring issue (which seems to be the case), then I'd suggest that this reiterates the doubts I had about refurbishing old stock again opposed to buying new trains. I wasn't aware that passengers remained on the train in question for 20 minutes as I was only going by the 'report' I read on this forum - how could exaggeration be what I had in mind, if this is the case?
Regardless of what the specific issue may be, smoke is considered to be a fire in the eyes of a normal customer. If smoke bellows into the interior of a train, that is going to be an unforgettable life experience. A train I was on in the summer of 2013 came to an emergency stop in one of the tunnels at Gateshead and someone thought it would be a good idea to smoke weed whilst we waited; as if the journey wasn't bad enough to start with due to being overcrowded with many people heading to the Evolution festival on Newcastle Quayside, the lack of 'fresh air' in the train once it had been lighted made things ten times worse. Looking back, I don't think I was in any danger at all, though at the time I was very scared indeed and, like many others, I was stood on chairs trying to get air through the windows.
There are reliability issues, and there are issues which make people lose faith in the system. The same would apply to buses catching fire too, though thankfully recent examples haven't been major and everyone has been evacuated at first signs of a light on the dash suggesting something was wrong, and nobody has had to endure being 'choked by smoke' or anything similar...
(09 Nov 2014, 10:43 am)Dan I was going by the only 'report' I read: the one citaro5284 copied and pasted to this forum. If customers are being 'choked by smoke' it sounds quite serious indeed, and if this is a recurring issue (which seems to be the case), then I'd suggest that this reiterates the doubts I had about refurbishing old stock again opposed to buying new trains. I wasn't aware that passengers remained on the train in question for 20 minutes as I was only going by the 'report' I read on this forum - how could exaggeration be what I had in mind, if this is the case?
Regardless of what the specific issue may be, smoke is considered to be a fire in the eyes of a normal customer. If smoke bellows into the interior of a train, that is going to be an unforgettable life experience. A train I was on in the summer of 2013 came to an emergency stop in one of the tunnels at Gateshead and someone thought it would be a good idea to smoke weed whilst we waited; as if the journey wasn't bad enough to start with due to being overcrowded with many people heading to the Evolution festival on Newcastle Quayside, the lack of 'fresh air' in the train once it had been lighted made things ten times worse. Looking back, I don't think I was in any danger at all, though at the time I was very scared indeed and, like many others, I was stood on chairs trying to get air through the windows.
There are reliability issues, and there are issues which make people lose faith in the system. The same would apply to buses catching fire too, though thankfully recent examples haven't been major and everyone has been evacuated at first signs of a light on the dash suggesting something was wrong, and nobody has had to endure being 'choked by smoke' or anything similar...
(09 Nov 2014, 11:52 am)Bus_User Your words was "surely not another train up in flames" which clearly suggests a serious fire on the train where infact if there was any fire it would be underneath the train and any smoke will more than likely to be a white smoke than any thick black smoke and the photo in the EC would seemingly suggest that. And no person would stay on the train if the train was up in flames and there was thick black smoke heading into the passenger saloon. Maybe you should of read more than just a single report? I also have to question why the passengers were all trying to get fresh air from open windows and heading down the train to avoid the smoke instead of using the Emergency exits, maybe they were instructed from the driver not to do so, I doubt we will never know.
Not doubting this is a serious incident and the sight of smoke will be a scary experience even if there was no actual fire but I just think your choice of words is quite misleading really.
As for new trains then it was always the plan to refurbish the trains again as opposed to buying new stock but only Nexus have got themselves to blame. If they were more interesting in buying new stock instead of blabbering on about the now infamous Project Orpheus(which is to create street tram running along with the metro) then we may of had new trains by now. As it is though, new trains seems a long way off and a bit of a fantasy. You also have to bear in mind, unlike buses, years of planning has to take place before new stock even get built.
) but I think you've jumped the gun slightly and might have seen the opportunity to have a bit of a debate with me without actually looking at the whole picture. As someone with an interest in the Tyne & Wear Metro system and potentially someone with access to 'inside information', it may be worth trying to post in a manner which is more informative rather than seemingly argumentative, with the intention of clearing up any 'misleading' posts in the process? 
(09 Nov 2014, 11:52 am)Bus_User Your words was "surely not another train up in flames" which clearly suggests a serious fire on the train where infact if there was any fire it would be underneath the train and any smoke will more than likely to be a white smoke than any thick black smoke and the photo in the EC would seemingly suggest that. And no person would stay on the train if the train was up in flames and there was thick black smoke heading into the passenger saloon. Maybe you should of read more than just a single report? I also have to question why the passengers were all trying to get fresh air from open windows and heading down the train to avoid the smoke instead of using the Emergency exits, maybe they were instructed from the driver not to do so, I doubt we will never know.
Not doubting this is a serious incident and the sight of smoke will be a scary experience even if there was no actual fire but I just think your choice of words is quite misleading really.
As for new trains then it was always the plan to refurbish the trains again as opposed to buying new stock but only Nexus have got themselves to blame. If they were more interesting in buying new stock instead of blabbering on about the now infamous Project Orpheus(which is to create street tram running along with the metro) then we may of had new trains by now. As it is though, new trains seems a long way off and a bit of a fantasy. You also have to bear in mind, unlike buses, years of planning has to take place before new stock even get built.
) but I think you've jumped the gun slightly and might have seen the opportunity to have a bit of a debate with me without actually looking at the whole picture. As someone with an interest in the Tyne & Wear Metro system and potentially someone with access to 'inside information', it may be worth trying to post in a manner which is more informative rather than seemingly argumentative, with the intention of clearing up any 'misleading' posts in the process?
No one can deny the system is becoming unreliable and I'm not defending the Metro, all i'm pointing out is that I just thought your post was a bit OTT but you have your reasons for that. This just shows why Metro was desprate for this money as the system is sadly showing its age.
There is really no difference between refurbished and unrefurbished trains regarding anything mechanical as nothing below the train is being touched so as we saw just a couple of weeks ago, a similar incident has happened to a unrefurbished unit.
(14 Nov 2014, 5:16 pm)Michael http://www.sunderlandecho.com/news/busin...-1-6952918I think it's disgraceful. At a time of falling standards, and when other fares (Gold Card) have had a 50% reduction.
(15 Nov 2014, 4:27 pm)Tom There are no trains running between South Gosforth and Monkseaton in both directions until further notice. This is due to signalling problems.
(15 Nov 2014, 4:27 pm)Tom There are no trains running between South Gosforth and Monkseaton in both directions until further notice. This is due to signalling problems.
(15 Nov 2014, 4:33 pm)Dan Overheard whilst at Central Station (circa 1550) that it had been like that for just under an hour...
Go North East are also operating a Metro Replacement service between South Gosforth and Monkseaton.
(15 Nov 2014, 4:33 pm)Dan Overheard whilst at Central Station (circa 1550) that it had been like that for just under an hour...
Go North East are also operating a Metro Replacement service between South Gosforth and Monkseaton.
(15 Nov 2014, 4:34 pm)Tom Before they were operating the replacement, they were accepting tickets on the 54, 55 (?) and 57 (?) which apparently operate in between South Gosforth and Monkseaton.
EDIT: What are the using?
(15 Nov 2014, 4:34 pm)Tom Before they were operating the replacement, they were accepting tickets on the 54, 55 (?) and 57 (?) which apparently operate in between South Gosforth and Monkseaton.
EDIT: What are the using?
(15 Nov 2014, 4:39 pm)Dan Not sure what they're using - probably just whichever double deckers Percy Main had in the depot.
Nexus/DB must fork out a canny bit of dosh to the bus operators when they bail the Metro out!
(15 Nov 2014, 4:39 pm)Dan Not sure what they're using - probably just whichever double deckers Percy Main had in the depot.
Nexus/DB must fork out a canny bit of dosh to the bus operators when they bail the Metro out!
(15 Nov 2014, 6:55 pm)Tom Is Metrocar 4002 still in service - was on 4001 today, but never seen 4002 for ages.
(15 Nov 2014, 6:55 pm)Tom Is Metrocar 4002 still in service - was on 4001 today, but never seen 4002 for ages.
