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MurdnunoC

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26 Jan 2015, 12:27 am #261

(24 Jan 2015, 3:56 pm)MarcTheA4 @Jimmi - I know this is off-topic from the current conversation - but there's also the GNE 31 and the Stagecoach 31 which pass each other in Newcastle.

Also, GNE's 10 & 11 and Stagecoach's 10 & 11.

MurdnunoC

26 Jan 2015, 12:27 am #261

(24 Jan 2015, 3:56 pm)MarcTheA4 @Jimmi - I know this is off-topic from the current conversation - but there's also the GNE 31 and the Stagecoach 31 which pass each other in Newcastle.

Also, GNE's 10 & 11 and Stagecoach's 10 & 11.

tyresmoke

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03 Feb 2015, 2:40 pm #262

Just to come back to this again, coming up in the next few months we have

22nd March 2015
Service 15/15A - Saturday daytime service currently operated by Stagecoach. PVR 4, Min Cap 36, Euro 4
Service 17A/40/41 - Mon-Sat evening, Sunday daytime - currently operated by GNE. PVR 6, Min Cap 36, Euro 4

31st May 2015
Service 238/239 - Mon-Sat evening, Sunday daytime - currently operated by Compass CT. PVR 1, Min Cap 36, Euro 4
Service 39 - Mon-Sun evening - currently operated by Stagecoach. PVR 3, Min Cap 36, Euro 4
Service TB10 - Mon-Sat daytime - currently operated by GCT. PVR 1, Min Cap 6, Accessible taxi
Service TB503 - Mon-Sat daytime - currently operated by Eurocars. PVR 1, Min Cap 6, Accessible taxi
Service TB504 - Mon-Sat evening, Sunday daytime - currently operated by Eurocars. PVR 1, Min Cap 6, Accessible taxi

All are one year contracts

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tyresmoke

03 Feb 2015, 2:40 pm #262

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omnicity4659

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03 Feb 2015, 2:48 pm #263

(03 Feb 2015, 2:40 pm)tyresmoke Just to come back to this again, coming up in the next few months we have

22nd March 2015
Service 15/15A - Saturday daytime service currently operated by Stagecoach. PVR 4, Min Cap 36, Euro 4
Service 17A/40/41 - Mon-Sat evening, Sunday daytime - currently operated by GNE. PVR 6, Min Cap 36, Euro 4

31st May 2015
Service 238/239 - Mon-Sat evening, Sunday daytime - currently operated by Compass CT. PVR 1, Min Cap 36, Euro 4
Service 39 - Mon-Sun evening - currently operated by Stagecoach. PVR 3, Min Cap 36, Euro 4
Service TB10 - Mon-Sat daytime - currently operated by GCT. PVR 1, Min Cap 6, Accessible taxi
Service TB503 - Mon-Sat daytime - currently operated by Eurocars. PVR 1, Min Cap 6, Accessible taxi
Service TB504 - Mon-Sat evening, Sunday daytime - currently operated by Eurocars. PVR 1, Min Cap 6, Accessible taxi

All are one year contracts

What does Stagecoach use for the Nexus contracts? They don't have any Nexus branded vehicles do they?

omnicity4659

03 Feb 2015, 2:48 pm #263

(03 Feb 2015, 2:40 pm)tyresmoke Just to come back to this again, coming up in the next few months we have

22nd March 2015
Service 15/15A - Saturday daytime service currently operated by Stagecoach. PVR 4, Min Cap 36, Euro 4
Service 17A/40/41 - Mon-Sat evening, Sunday daytime - currently operated by GNE. PVR 6, Min Cap 36, Euro 4

31st May 2015
Service 238/239 - Mon-Sat evening, Sunday daytime - currently operated by Compass CT. PVR 1, Min Cap 36, Euro 4
Service 39 - Mon-Sun evening - currently operated by Stagecoach. PVR 3, Min Cap 36, Euro 4
Service TB10 - Mon-Sat daytime - currently operated by GCT. PVR 1, Min Cap 6, Accessible taxi
Service TB503 - Mon-Sat daytime - currently operated by Eurocars. PVR 1, Min Cap 6, Accessible taxi
Service TB504 - Mon-Sat evening, Sunday daytime - currently operated by Eurocars. PVR 1, Min Cap 6, Accessible taxi

All are one year contracts

What does Stagecoach use for the Nexus contracts? They don't have any Nexus branded vehicles do they?

tyresmoke

5,318

03 Feb 2015, 2:53 pm #264

(03 Feb 2015, 2:48 pm)Tommy_1581 What does Stagecoach use for the Nexus contracts? They don't have any Nexus branded vehicles do they?

Currently they use the Euro3 Darts on the 15's (and 32/32A etc) - very few Nexus contracts are operated by Nexus branded vehicles, it's usually just the ones that operate all day (such as the Whitley Bay towns)

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tyresmoke

03 Feb 2015, 2:53 pm #264

(03 Feb 2015, 2:48 pm)Tommy_1581 What does Stagecoach use for the Nexus contracts? They don't have any Nexus branded vehicles do they?

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Michael

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20 Feb 2015, 11:10 am #265

(03 Feb 2015, 2:40 pm)tyresmoke Just to come back to this again, coming up in the next few months we have

22nd March 2015
Service 15/15A - Saturday daytime service currently operated by Stagecoach. PVR 4, Min Cap 36, Euro 4
Service 17A/40/41 - Mon-Sat evening, Sunday daytime - currently operated by GNE. PVR 6, Min Cap 36, Euro 4

31st May 2015
Service 238/239 - Mon-Sat evening, Sunday daytime - currently operated by Compass CT. PVR 1, Min Cap 36, Euro 4
Service 39 - Mon-Sun evening - currently operated by Stagecoach. PVR 3, Min Cap 36, Euro 4
Service TB10 - Mon-Sat daytime - currently operated by GCT. PVR 1, Min Cap 6, Accessible taxi
Service TB503 - Mon-Sat daytime - currently operated by Eurocars. PVR 1, Min Cap 6, Accessible taxi
Service TB504 - Mon-Sat evening, Sunday daytime - currently operated by Eurocars. PVR 1, Min Cap 6, Accessible taxi

All are one year contracts

Any more news on any of these?

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

Michael

20 Feb 2015, 11:10 am #265

(03 Feb 2015, 2:40 pm)tyresmoke Just to come back to this again, coming up in the next few months we have

22nd March 2015
Service 15/15A - Saturday daytime service currently operated by Stagecoach. PVR 4, Min Cap 36, Euro 4
Service 17A/40/41 - Mon-Sat evening, Sunday daytime - currently operated by GNE. PVR 6, Min Cap 36, Euro 4

31st May 2015
Service 238/239 - Mon-Sat evening, Sunday daytime - currently operated by Compass CT. PVR 1, Min Cap 36, Euro 4
Service 39 - Mon-Sun evening - currently operated by Stagecoach. PVR 3, Min Cap 36, Euro 4
Service TB10 - Mon-Sat daytime - currently operated by GCT. PVR 1, Min Cap 6, Accessible taxi
Service TB503 - Mon-Sat daytime - currently operated by Eurocars. PVR 1, Min Cap 6, Accessible taxi
Service TB504 - Mon-Sat evening, Sunday daytime - currently operated by Eurocars. PVR 1, Min Cap 6, Accessible taxi

All are one year contracts

Any more news on any of these?

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

Kuyoyo

6,853

22 Feb 2015, 12:16 pm #266

(20 Feb 2015, 11:10 am)Michael Any more news on any of these?

I'm lead to believe the 15/15A has been retained by Stagecoach - but there will be some fleet moves to enable improved Euro engine specification on the route throughout the week

Kuyoyo

22 Feb 2015, 12:16 pm #266

(20 Feb 2015, 11:10 am)Michael Any more news on any of these?

I'm lead to believe the 15/15A has been retained by Stagecoach - but there will be some fleet moves to enable improved Euro engine specification on the route throughout the week

Michael

19,168

22 Feb 2015, 12:20 pm #267

(22 Feb 2015, 12:16 pm)Kuyoyo I'm lead to believe the 15/15A has been retained by Stagecoach - but there will be some fleet moves to enable improved Euro engine specification on the route throughout the week

That's good, although i knew changes would occur for the euro engine specification, was told not to say anything Tongue

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

Michael

22 Feb 2015, 12:20 pm #267

(22 Feb 2015, 12:16 pm)Kuyoyo I'm lead to believe the 15/15A has been retained by Stagecoach - but there will be some fleet moves to enable improved Euro engine specification on the route throughout the week

That's good, although i knew changes would occur for the euro engine specification, was told not to say anything Tongue

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

Dan

Site Administrator

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22 Feb 2015, 1:21 pm #268

(22 Feb 2015, 1:04 pm)AIG20 Do you know which vehicles will replace the darts? As I assume Slatyford's Nexus services, also mostly ran by Pointer Darts, will have to be upgraded soon as well.

The contract stipulates Euro 4 vehicles, so it can be any of the ADL/MAN Enviro200s in the fleet, or Stockton's MAN Enviro300s.

I'd put my money on some of Hartlepool's MAN Enviro200s heading up north?

Dan

22 Feb 2015, 1:21 pm #268

(22 Feb 2015, 1:04 pm)AIG20 Do you know which vehicles will replace the darts? As I assume Slatyford's Nexus services, also mostly ran by Pointer Darts, will have to be upgraded soon as well.

Michael

19,168

22 Feb 2015, 1:23 pm #269

(22 Feb 2015, 1:21 pm)Dan The contract stipulates Euro 4 vehicles, so it can be any of the ADL/MAN Enviro200s in the fleet, or Stockton's MAN Enviro300s.

I'd put my money on some of Hartlepool's MAN Enviro200s heading up north?

It's going to euro 5. Undecided

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

Michael

22 Feb 2015, 1:23 pm #269

(22 Feb 2015, 1:21 pm)Dan The contract stipulates Euro 4 vehicles, so it can be any of the ADL/MAN Enviro200s in the fleet, or Stockton's MAN Enviro300s.

I'd put my money on some of Hartlepool's MAN Enviro200s heading up north?

It's going to euro 5. Undecided

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

Dan

Site Administrator

18,116

22 Feb 2015, 1:28 pm #270

(22 Feb 2015, 1:23 pm)Michael It's going to euro 5.

As per tyresmoke's earlier post:
Service 15/15A - Saturday daytime service currently operated by Stagecoach. PVR 4, Min Cap 36, Euro 4

??

Dan

22 Feb 2015, 1:28 pm #270

(22 Feb 2015, 1:23 pm)Michael It's going to euro 5.

As per tyresmoke's earlier post:
Service 15/15A - Saturday daytime service currently operated by Stagecoach. PVR 4, Min Cap 36, Euro 4

??

Michael

19,168

22 Feb 2015, 1:31 pm #271

(22 Feb 2015, 1:28 pm)Dan As per tyresmoke's earlier post:
Service 15/15A - Saturday daytime service currently operated by Stagecoach. PVR 4, Min Cap 36, Euro 4

??

That's the current contract i think?

I was told its gonna be euro 5... unless i was mis-informed!

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

Michael

22 Feb 2015, 1:31 pm #271

(22 Feb 2015, 1:28 pm)Dan As per tyresmoke's earlier post:
Service 15/15A - Saturday daytime service currently operated by Stagecoach. PVR 4, Min Cap 36, Euro 4

??

That's the current contract i think?

I was told its gonna be euro 5... unless i was mis-informed!

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

Kuyoyo

6,853

22 Feb 2015, 1:33 pm #272

(22 Feb 2015, 1:21 pm)Dan The contract stipulates Euro 4 vehicles, so it can be any of the ADL/MAN Enviro200s in the fleet, or Stockton's MAN Enviro300s.

I'd put my money on some of Hartlepool's MAN Enviro200s heading up north?

(22 Feb 2015, 1:28 pm)Dan As per tyresmoke's earlier post:
Service 15/15A - Saturday daytime service currently operated by Stagecoach. PVR 4, Min Cap 36, Euro 4

??

As I understand it from the rumour, 34609-14 will be swapped for 6 of Sunderland's 36081-94 to meet the contract specification.

Edited 22 Feb 2015, 9:50 pm by Kuyoyo.

Kuyoyo

22 Feb 2015, 1:33 pm #272

(22 Feb 2015, 1:21 pm)Dan The contract stipulates Euro 4 vehicles, so it can be any of the ADL/MAN Enviro200s in the fleet, or Stockton's MAN Enviro300s.

I'd put my money on some of Hartlepool's MAN Enviro200s heading up north?

(22 Feb 2015, 1:28 pm)Dan As per tyresmoke's earlier post:
Service 15/15A - Saturday daytime service currently operated by Stagecoach. PVR 4, Min Cap 36, Euro 4

??

As I understand it from the rumour, 34609-14 will be swapped for 6 of Sunderland's 36081-94 to meet the contract specification.

Dan

Site Administrator

18,116

22 Feb 2015, 1:34 pm #273

(22 Feb 2015, 1:33 pm)Kuyoyo Stagecoach bid specified Euro5 vehicles as I understand it (that or Nexus changed the specification) and therefore, as I understand it, 34609-14 will be swapped for 6 of Sunderland's 36081-94

Oh, joy, got them back again!

Dan

22 Feb 2015, 1:34 pm #273

(22 Feb 2015, 1:33 pm)Kuyoyo Stagecoach bid specified Euro5 vehicles as I understand it (that or Nexus changed the specification) and therefore, as I understand it, 34609-14 will be swapped for 6 of Sunderland's 36081-94

Oh, joy, got them back again!

Michael

19,168

22 Feb 2015, 1:36 pm #274

(22 Feb 2015, 1:33 pm)Kuyoyo Stagecoach bid specified Euro5 vehicles as I understand it (that or Nexus changed the specification) and therefore, as I understand it, 34609-14 will be swapped for 6 of Sunderland's 36081-94

Wonder if that means the 18/19 will get darts back Tongue

With the amount of people who use them, Darts suit the route...

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

Michael

22 Feb 2015, 1:36 pm #274

(22 Feb 2015, 1:33 pm)Kuyoyo Stagecoach bid specified Euro5 vehicles as I understand it (that or Nexus changed the specification) and therefore, as I understand it, 34609-14 will be swapped for 6 of Sunderland's 36081-94

Wonder if that means the 18/19 will get darts back Tongue

With the amount of people who use them, Darts suit the route...

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

Dan

Site Administrator

18,116

22 Feb 2015, 1:44 pm #275

(22 Feb 2015, 1:36 pm)Michael Wonder if that means the 18/19 will get darts back

With the amount of people who use them, Darts suit the route...

The current allocation is:

3 - Scania Gas (PVR 9)
4 - ADL Enviro200 (PVR 11)
5/5A - ADL Enviro200 (PVR 3)
8 - Pointer 2 (PVR 2)
10/11 - ADL Enviro 200 (PVR 10)
12 - MAN ALX300 (PVR 4)
13 - Scania Gas (PVR 11)
16 - Scania Gas (PVR 10)
18/19 - MAN Enviro200 (PVR 6)
20 - Scania Gas (PVR 5)
23 - ADL Enviro200 (PVR 8)

I'd therefore expect that the 18/19 will get the Pointer 2 Darts back again, allowing the current allocation of six MAN Enviro200s to be passed down to the 23 (again), running alongside two of the older ADL Enviro200s. Service 4 for the "SUNderland Bus" branded examples, instead of the older examples being allocated.

Dan

22 Feb 2015, 1:44 pm #275

(22 Feb 2015, 1:36 pm)Michael Wonder if that means the 18/19 will get darts back

With the amount of people who use them, Darts suit the route...

Michael

19,168

22 Feb 2015, 1:53 pm #276

(22 Feb 2015, 1:44 pm)Dan The current allocation is:

3 - Scania Gas (PVR 9)
4 - ADL Enviro200 (PVR 11)
5/5A - ADL Enviro200 (PVR 3)
8 - Pointer 2 (PVR 2)
10/11 - ADL Enviro 200 (PVR 10)
12 - MAN ALX300 (PVR 4)
13 - Scania Gas (PVR 11)
16 - Scania Gas (PVR 10)
18/19 - MAN Enviro200 (PVR 6)
20 - Scania Gas (PVR 5)
23 - ADL Enviro200 (PVR 8)

I'd therefore expect that the 18/19 will get the Pointer 2 Darts back again, allowing the current allocation of six MAN Enviro200s to be passed down to the 23 (again), running alongside two of the older ADL Enviro200s. Service 4 for the "SUNderland Bus" branded examples, instead of the older examples being allocated.

Well as its my local route (the 23), i want it to be all new enviros... Tongue

Hopefully more gas buses are coming to Sunderland soon Tongue

Edited 22 Feb 2015, 1:54 pm by Michael.

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

Michael

22 Feb 2015, 1:53 pm #276

(22 Feb 2015, 1:44 pm)Dan The current allocation is:

3 - Scania Gas (PVR 9)
4 - ADL Enviro200 (PVR 11)
5/5A - ADL Enviro200 (PVR 3)
8 - Pointer 2 (PVR 2)
10/11 - ADL Enviro 200 (PVR 10)
12 - MAN ALX300 (PVR 4)
13 - Scania Gas (PVR 11)
16 - Scania Gas (PVR 10)
18/19 - MAN Enviro200 (PVR 6)
20 - Scania Gas (PVR 5)
23 - ADL Enviro200 (PVR 8)

I'd therefore expect that the 18/19 will get the Pointer 2 Darts back again, allowing the current allocation of six MAN Enviro200s to be passed down to the 23 (again), running alongside two of the older ADL Enviro200s. Service 4 for the "SUNderland Bus" branded examples, instead of the older examples being allocated.

Well as its my local route (the 23), i want it to be all new enviros... Tongue

Hopefully more gas buses are coming to Sunderland soon Tongue

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

Dan

Site Administrator

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22 Feb 2015, 1:58 pm #277

(22 Feb 2015, 1:53 pm)Michael Well as its my local route (the 23), i want it to be all new enviros...

Hopefully more gas buses are coming to Sunderland soon

To be honest, knowing Sunderland, they'll probably treat an Enviro200 as an Enviro200, regardless of whether it's a MAN or ADL. That's pretty much how it worked before when they were meant to be allocated to the 23. When the new "SUNderland Bus" ones entered service on there, they sorted it out a bit and kept the MANs on the 18/19, but I bet it all goes tits up again... According to the fleet cards, the MANs are still meant to be allocated to the 23!

As the average age of Sunderland's fleet will be on the increase again, hopefully this puts us in a good position to receive some more new buses again (probably for the 23 if what I said previously happens). The MAN Enviro200s would work great on the 12 in my opinion, so having four on there and two as spares would allow the MAN ALX300s to move out and replace some of the older non-DDA compliant examples. We'll just have to wait and see. Tongue

Dan

22 Feb 2015, 1:58 pm #277

(22 Feb 2015, 1:53 pm)Michael Well as its my local route (the 23), i want it to be all new enviros...

Hopefully more gas buses are coming to Sunderland soon

idiot

1,121

22 Feb 2015, 1:59 pm #278

That will be right 23 losing new buses gran says lol

Im sure it was one of the last routes to be wheelchair accessible?

Edited 22 Feb 2015, 1:59 pm by idiot.

idiot

22 Feb 2015, 1:59 pm #278

That will be right 23 losing new buses gran says lol

Im sure it was one of the last routes to be wheelchair accessible?

Kuyoyo

6,853

22 Feb 2015, 2:01 pm #279

(22 Feb 2015, 1:53 pm)Michael Well as its my local route (the 23), i want it to be all new enviros...

Hopefully more gas buses are coming to Sunderland soon

Given all the investment in new vehicles in Sunderland over the last 2 years - it's other depots turn for major investment this year Wink

Kuyoyo

22 Feb 2015, 2:01 pm #279

(22 Feb 2015, 1:53 pm)Michael Well as its my local route (the 23), i want it to be all new enviros...

Hopefully more gas buses are coming to Sunderland soon

Given all the investment in new vehicles in Sunderland over the last 2 years - it's other depots turn for major investment this year Wink

Michael

19,168

22 Feb 2015, 2:04 pm #280

(22 Feb 2015, 1:58 pm)Dan To be honest, knowing Sunderland, they'll probably treat an Enviro200 as an Enviro200, regardless of whether it's a MAN or ADL. That's pretty much how it worked before when they were meant to be allocated to the 23. When the new "SUNderland Bus" ones entered service on there, they sorted it out a bit and kept the MANs on the 18/19, but I bet it all goes tits up again... According to the fleet cards, the MANs are still meant to be allocated to the 23!

As the average age of Sunderland's fleet will be on the increase again, hopefully this puts us in a good position to receive some more new buses again (probably for the 23 if what I said previously happens). The MAN Enviro200s would work great on the 12 in my opinion, so having four on there and two as spares would allow the MAN ALX300s to move out and replace some of the older non-DDA compliant examples. We'll just have to wait and see.

If they recive anything i think they'll want to try and get gas buses.... hopefully.

However.. like iv'e said before i don't think the 18/19 need anything bigger than a dart...

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

Michael

22 Feb 2015, 2:04 pm #280

(22 Feb 2015, 1:58 pm)Dan To be honest, knowing Sunderland, they'll probably treat an Enviro200 as an Enviro200, regardless of whether it's a MAN or ADL. That's pretty much how it worked before when they were meant to be allocated to the 23. When the new "SUNderland Bus" ones entered service on there, they sorted it out a bit and kept the MANs on the 18/19, but I bet it all goes tits up again... According to the fleet cards, the MANs are still meant to be allocated to the 23!

As the average age of Sunderland's fleet will be on the increase again, hopefully this puts us in a good position to receive some more new buses again (probably for the 23 if what I said previously happens). The MAN Enviro200s would work great on the 12 in my opinion, so having four on there and two as spares would allow the MAN ALX300s to move out and replace some of the older non-DDA compliant examples. We'll just have to wait and see.

If they recive anything i think they'll want to try and get gas buses.... hopefully.

However.. like iv'e said before i don't think the 18/19 need anything bigger than a dart...

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

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