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Malarkey



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22 Feb 2015, 10:44 pm #301
(22 Feb 2015, 10:19 pm)aureolin Any such discussions can't happen to my knowledge, as it's collusion and anti competitive. The latter certainly can't happen, as nexus need to select the most economically advantageous tender.
So what would the Go North East and Arriva Hexham/Ashington Depot/Service/Vehicle Swap a few years back be classed as then, if that was able to go ahead then I cant see an issue in a merger of the GNE 40/41 and SNE 40 with GNE getting a Stagecoach Service in exchange to sweeten the Deal, Plus if Quality Contracts come into play would these Services not get merged anyway.
Malarkey
22 Feb 2015, 10:44 pm #301

(22 Feb 2015, 10:19 pm)aureolin Any such discussions can't happen to my knowledge, as it's collusion and anti competitive. The latter certainly can't happen, as nexus need to select the most economically advantageous tender.
So what would the Go North East and Arriva Hexham/Ashington Depot/Service/Vehicle Swap a few years back be classed as then, if that was able to go ahead then I cant see an issue in a merger of the GNE 40/41 and SNE 40 with GNE getting a Stagecoach Service in exchange to sweeten the Deal, Plus if Quality Contracts come into play would these Services not get merged anyway.

Adrian



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22 Feb 2015, 10:47 pm #302
(22 Feb 2015, 10:44 pm)Malarkey So what would the Go North East and Arriva Hexham/Ashington Depot/Service/Vehicle Swap a few years back be classed as then, if that was able to go ahead then I cant see an issue in a merger of the GNE 40/41 and SNE 40 with GNE getting a Stagecoach Service in exchange to sweeten the Deal, Plus if Quality Contracts come into play would these Services not get merged anyway.

Both companies got slammed for it, and it ultimately led to two executives stepping down...

There's a competition commission report kicking around somewhere, and plenty of news articles to go with it.

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Adrian
22 Feb 2015, 10:47 pm #302

(22 Feb 2015, 10:44 pm)Malarkey So what would the Go North East and Arriva Hexham/Ashington Depot/Service/Vehicle Swap a few years back be classed as then, if that was able to go ahead then I cant see an issue in a merger of the GNE 40/41 and SNE 40 with GNE getting a Stagecoach Service in exchange to sweeten the Deal, Plus if Quality Contracts come into play would these Services not get merged anyway.

Both companies got slammed for it, and it ultimately led to two executives stepping down...

There's a competition commission report kicking around somewhere, and plenty of news articles to go with it.


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Dan

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22 Feb 2015, 11:15 pm #303
So, in short Adam... Think GNE best keep their 40 service and SNE likewise....
Dan
22 Feb 2015, 11:15 pm #303

So, in short Adam... Think GNE best keep their 40 service and SNE likewise....

tyresmoke



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23 Feb 2015, 7:08 pm #304
Just to clear up any confusion I've had confirmation from Nexus that the tenders awarded for March were indeed to Stagecoach (15/15A) and Go North East (17/17A/40/41)

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tyresmoke
23 Feb 2015, 7:08 pm #304

Just to clear up any confusion I've had confirmation from Nexus that the tenders awarded for March were indeed to Stagecoach (15/15A) and Go North East (17/17A/40/41)


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Michael



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23 Feb 2015, 9:36 pm #305
(23 Feb 2015, 7:08 pm)tyresmoke Just to clear up any confusion I've had confirmation from Nexus that the tenders awarded for March were indeed to Stagecoach (15/15A) and Go North East (17/17A/40/41)

Expect for the 15/15A, which are going up to euro 5, is the euro specification changing for the 17/17A/40/41?
Edited 23 Feb 2015, 9:36 pm by Michael.

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Michael
23 Feb 2015, 9:36 pm #305

(23 Feb 2015, 7:08 pm)tyresmoke Just to clear up any confusion I've had confirmation from Nexus that the tenders awarded for March were indeed to Stagecoach (15/15A) and Go North East (17/17A/40/41)

Expect for the 15/15A, which are going up to euro 5, is the euro specification changing for the 17/17A/40/41?


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23 Feb 2015, 9:38 pm #306
(23 Feb 2015, 9:36 pm)Michael Expect for the 15/15A, which are going up to euro 5, is the euro specification changing for the 17/17A/40/41?

It shouldn't - Go North East aren't in a position to provide Euro 5 vehicles. The Volvo B10BLE / MPD are CRT-fitted and are Euro 4, as such.
Dan
23 Feb 2015, 9:38 pm #306

(23 Feb 2015, 9:36 pm)Michael Expect for the 15/15A, which are going up to euro 5, is the euro specification changing for the 17/17A/40/41?

It shouldn't - Go North East aren't in a position to provide Euro 5 vehicles. The Volvo B10BLE / MPD are CRT-fitted and are Euro 4, as such.

Michael



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23 Feb 2015, 9:39 pm #307
(23 Feb 2015, 9:38 pm)Dan It shouldn't - Go North East aren't in a position to provide Euro 5 vehicles. The Volvo B10BLE / MPD are CRT-fitted and are Euro 4, as such.

Thanks for the quick reply.

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Michael
23 Feb 2015, 9:39 pm #307

(23 Feb 2015, 9:38 pm)Dan It shouldn't - Go North East aren't in a position to provide Euro 5 vehicles. The Volvo B10BLE / MPD are CRT-fitted and are Euro 4, as such.

Thanks for the quick reply.


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Tom



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23 Feb 2015, 9:42 pm #308
They seem to be using the B10BLE's more now as opposed to the MPDs for some reason.
Tom
23 Feb 2015, 9:42 pm #308

They seem to be using the B10BLE's more now as opposed to the MPDs for some reason.

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23 Feb 2015, 9:49 pm #309
(23 Feb 2015, 9:42 pm)Tom They seem to be using the B10BLE's more now as opposed to the MPDs for some reason.

Should still be 6x MPD allocated... As 5247 - 5249 and 5274 are something of a rarity on the 9, with Percy Main considering them to be spare buses opposed to buses which form part of the 9's allocation, I dread to think what the reason may be!
Dan
23 Feb 2015, 9:49 pm #309

(23 Feb 2015, 9:42 pm)Tom They seem to be using the B10BLE's more now as opposed to the MPDs for some reason.

Should still be 6x MPD allocated... As 5247 - 5249 and 5274 are something of a rarity on the 9, with Percy Main considering them to be spare buses opposed to buses which form part of the 9's allocation, I dread to think what the reason may be!

Tom



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23 Feb 2015, 9:51 pm #310
(23 Feb 2015, 9:49 pm)Dan Should still be 6x MPD allocated... As 5247 - 5249 and 5274 are something of a rarity on the 9, as Percy Main consider them to be spare buses opposed to forming part of the 9's allocation, I dread to think what the reason may be!

Ah okay!
It's Percy Main, so what do you expect? Wink
Tom
23 Feb 2015, 9:51 pm #310

(23 Feb 2015, 9:49 pm)Dan Should still be 6x MPD allocated... As 5247 - 5249 and 5274 are something of a rarity on the 9, as Percy Main consider them to be spare buses opposed to forming part of the 9's allocation, I dread to think what the reason may be!

Ah okay!
It's Percy Main, so what do you expect? Wink

07 Mar 2015, 12:09 pm #311
Northumberland Council have/are rewarding WATbus (Wansbeck Accessible Transport) with a new revised Ashington A2 service. Passengers have to pay £10 for a card that will give them unlimited travel on the service, this means that Concessionary Passes are not valid on the route.
omnicity4659
07 Mar 2015, 12:09 pm #311

Northumberland Council have/are rewarding WATbus (Wansbeck Accessible Transport) with a new revised Ashington A2 service. Passengers have to pay £10 for a card that will give them unlimited travel on the service, this means that Concessionary Passes are not valid on the route.

tyresmoke



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11 Mar 2015, 11:09 am #312
(07 Mar 2015, 12:09 pm)Tommy_1581 Northumberland Council have/are rewarding WATbus (Wansbeck Accessible Transport) with a new revised Ashington A2 service. Passengers have to pay £10 for a card that will give them unlimited travel on the service, this means that Concessionary Passes are not valid on the route.

More information on this 3 month trial is available here - http://www.ashingtontowncouncil.gov.uk/h...ed-the-bus
There are more and more of these "community bus" projects popping up and appears to be the future for the very thin routes like this one. It will operate one day a week

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tyresmoke
11 Mar 2015, 11:09 am #312

(07 Mar 2015, 12:09 pm)Tommy_1581 Northumberland Council have/are rewarding WATbus (Wansbeck Accessible Transport) with a new revised Ashington A2 service. Passengers have to pay £10 for a card that will give them unlimited travel on the service, this means that Concessionary Passes are not valid on the route.

More information on this 3 month trial is available here - http://www.ashingtontowncouncil.gov.uk/h...ed-the-bus
There are more and more of these "community bus" projects popping up and appears to be the future for the very thin routes like this one. It will operate one day a week


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G-CPTN



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11 Mar 2015, 12:20 pm #313
Reprieve for Hadrian's Wall AD122 tourism bus:-
http://www.hexhamcourant.co.uk/news/repr...-1.1198205
G-CPTN
11 Mar 2015, 12:20 pm #313

Reprieve for Hadrian's Wall AD122 tourism bus:-
http://www.hexhamcourant.co.uk/news/repr...-1.1198205

Dan

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15 Mar 2015, 2:54 pm #314
Keep meaning to share this, but have managed to forget every time until today... Details of latest Nexus contracts are given on the attached document.
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Nexus Contracts - February 2015.pdf
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Dan
15 Mar 2015, 2:54 pm #314

Keep meaning to share this, but have managed to forget every time until today... Details of latest Nexus contracts are given on the attached document.

.pdf
Nexus Contracts - February 2015.pdf
Size: 319.55 KB / Downloads: 94

15 Mar 2015, 3:07 pm #315
(15 Mar 2015, 2:54 pm)Dan Keep meaning to share this, but have managed to forget every time until today... Details of latest Nexus contracts are given on the attached document.

I would love to know the difference between Go Northern and Go North East  Big Grin
omnicity4659
15 Mar 2015, 3:07 pm #315

(15 Mar 2015, 2:54 pm)Dan Keep meaning to share this, but have managed to forget every time until today... Details of latest Nexus contracts are given on the attached document.

I would love to know the difference between Go Northern and Go North East  Big Grin

Dan

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15 Mar 2015, 3:09 pm #316
(15 Mar 2015, 3:07 pm)Tommy_1581 I would love to know the difference between Go Northern and Go North East  Big Grin

'Go North East' refers to the depots held in the North Division of the company: Riverside, Percy Main and Hexham. 'Go Northern' refers to the depots held in the South Division of the company: Chester-le-Street, Deptford, Washington, Stanley, Peterlee and Crook.

Similarly, Stagecoach North East is divided into two legal companies (Busways and Transit), and Arriva's comparable example is of course Northumbria and Durham County.
Dan
15 Mar 2015, 3:09 pm #316

(15 Mar 2015, 3:07 pm)Tommy_1581 I would love to know the difference between Go Northern and Go North East  Big Grin

'Go North East' refers to the depots held in the North Division of the company: Riverside, Percy Main and Hexham. 'Go Northern' refers to the depots held in the South Division of the company: Chester-le-Street, Deptford, Washington, Stanley, Peterlee and Crook.

Similarly, Stagecoach North East is divided into two legal companies (Busways and Transit), and Arriva's comparable example is of course Northumbria and Durham County.

15 Mar 2015, 3:30 pm #317
Don't Stagecoach have very few contracts.
JakeSavage
15 Mar 2015, 3:30 pm #317

Don't Stagecoach have very few contracts.

idiot



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15 Mar 2015, 5:13 pm #318
I wish bus companies would show on timetables like they used to which journeys are secured by Nexus. Seems a lot of Stagecoach are operated commercially where as GNE won't take the commercial risk.
idiot
15 Mar 2015, 5:13 pm #318

I wish bus companies would show on timetables like they used to which journeys are secured by Nexus. Seems a lot of Stagecoach are operated commercially where as GNE won't take the commercial risk.

Andreos1



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16 Mar 2015, 7:40 pm #319
(15 Mar 2015, 5:13 pm)idiot I wish bus companies would show on timetables like they used to which journeys are secured by Nexus. Seems a lot of Stagecoach are operated commercially where as GNE won't take the commercial risk.

They often used to be.
The last indicator, was the 'Nexus pipes' logo, placed above the specific run on the paper timetables.
Before then, there was a long flip over oblong, which had different stickered images on each of the 4 fronts.
The 'secured service' sticker was on one of the sides.
Think some of the others were 'transfer bus' or something like that.

Not sure why it stopped being common practice on the timetables like. Would be a huge political gain for Nexus to insist on them appearing again.
Would show exactly which services (including busier runs), are being paid for out of taxpayer pockets.

'Illegitimis non carborundum'
Andreos1
16 Mar 2015, 7:40 pm #319

(15 Mar 2015, 5:13 pm)idiot I wish bus companies would show on timetables like they used to which journeys are secured by Nexus. Seems a lot of Stagecoach are operated commercially where as GNE won't take the commercial risk.

They often used to be.
The last indicator, was the 'Nexus pipes' logo, placed above the specific run on the paper timetables.
Before then, there was a long flip over oblong, which had different stickered images on each of the 4 fronts.
The 'secured service' sticker was on one of the sides.
Think some of the others were 'transfer bus' or something like that.

Not sure why it stopped being common practice on the timetables like. Would be a huge political gain for Nexus to insist on them appearing again.
Would show exactly which services (including busier runs), are being paid for out of taxpayer pockets.


'Illegitimis non carborundum'

RM2186



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16 Mar 2015, 8:28 pm #320
(16 Mar 2015, 7:40 pm)Andreos1 They often used to be.
The last indicator, was the 'Nexus pipes' logo, placed above the specific run on the paper timetables.
Before then, there was a long flip over oblong, which had different stickered images on each of the 4 fronts.
The 'secured service' sticker was on one of the sides.
Think some of the others were 'transfer bus' or something like that.

Not sure why it stopped being common practice on the timetables like. Would be a huge political gain for Nexus to insist on them appearing again.
Would show exactly which services (including busier runs), are being paid for out of taxpayer pockets.

That could look very messy on timetables as Nexus do not always secure all of the trip shown, just part in a lot of instances.
RM2186
16 Mar 2015, 8:28 pm #320

(16 Mar 2015, 7:40 pm)Andreos1 They often used to be.
The last indicator, was the 'Nexus pipes' logo, placed above the specific run on the paper timetables.
Before then, there was a long flip over oblong, which had different stickered images on each of the 4 fronts.
The 'secured service' sticker was on one of the sides.
Think some of the others were 'transfer bus' or something like that.

Not sure why it stopped being common practice on the timetables like. Would be a huge political gain for Nexus to insist on them appearing again.
Would show exactly which services (including busier runs), are being paid for out of taxpayer pockets.

That could look very messy on timetables as Nexus do not always secure all of the trip shown, just part in a lot of instances.

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