Durham Bus Stn
Durham Bus Stn
(06 Feb 2021, 1:57 pm)streetdeckfan It'd be good if they could make use of the park and ride services and have a bus station further afield, but then we'd have people complaining about having to catch 3 buses!
(06 Feb 2021, 1:57 pm)streetdeckfan It'd be good if they could make use of the park and ride services and have a bus station further afield, but then we'd have people complaining about having to catch 3 buses!
(06 Feb 2021, 11:14 pm)Adrian It'd be nice in theory, but I am not sure whether it would encourage people to use public transport. I work in Durham and I know people would rather pay 3 times the price to park in the City Centre, rather than have to get the bus in with the Park and Ride. Mainly because the buses are too crowded at the times they're needed.
I was thinking more of having cross-city services. You could still do your changeovers etc in Durham, but the bus wouldn't need to be there for long enough for the driver to have an excuse to dump it on a stand.
(06 Feb 2021, 11:14 pm)Adrian It'd be nice in theory, but I am not sure whether it would encourage people to use public transport. I work in Durham and I know people would rather pay 3 times the price to park in the City Centre, rather than have to get the bus in with the Park and Ride. Mainly because the buses are too crowded at the times they're needed.
I was thinking more of having cross-city services. You could still do your changeovers etc in Durham, but the bus wouldn't need to be there for long enough for the driver to have an excuse to dump it on a stand.
(06 Feb 2021, 1:57 pm)streetdeckfan It'd be good if they could make use of the park and ride services and have a bus station further afield, but then we'd have people complaining about having to catch 3 buses!
(06 Feb 2021, 1:57 pm)streetdeckfan It'd be good if they could make use of the park and ride services and have a bus station further afield, but then we'd have people complaining about having to catch 3 buses!
(06 Feb 2021, 7:50 pm)cbma06 Autumn 2022Thank you for your update. I shall probably still come to the Newcastle area later this year. I may avoid Durham for now though.
https://www.durham.gov.uk/durhambusstation
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(06 Feb 2021, 7:50 pm)cbma06 Autumn 2022Thank you for your update. I shall probably still come to the Newcastle area later this year. I may avoid Durham for now though.
https://www.durham.gov.uk/durhambusstation
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(06 Feb 2021, 1:24 pm)Adrian How do you propose that they make the space, out of interest? The current site has very little scope for expansion IMO. There's a Grade II listed building to the North West of the site and one to the South.
(06 Feb 2021, 1:24 pm)Adrian How do you propose that they make the space, out of interest? The current site has very little scope for expansion IMO. There's a Grade II listed building to the North West of the site and one to the South.
(07 Feb 2021, 5:11 pm)James101 I would have looked at reviewing the road layout entirely and see if the entire top section of North Road could be incorporated into the station, having an island building with stands on both sides.
(07 Feb 2021, 5:11 pm)James101 I would have looked at reviewing the road layout entirely and see if the entire top section of North Road could be incorporated into the station, having an island building with stands on both sides.
(15 Feb 2021, 6:39 pm)Adrian Northern Echo: What Durham looked like on the first day of the bus station closure
https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/1...b4o9fx4-Bc
(15 Feb 2021, 6:39 pm)Adrian Northern Echo: What Durham looked like on the first day of the bus station closure
https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/1...b4o9fx4-Bc
(15 Feb 2021, 7:51 pm)mb134 That's going to be fantastic when traffic levels get back to normal...I don't think making more services 'Cross City' would make much of a difference at least for Arriva considering every service bar Darlington depot 7's and Stockton depot X12's have driver changeovers in Durham City Centre so you'd still have the issue of buses being dumped, just difference is this would now occur in a different part of the City Centre.
I think you mentioned it further up, I think Durham is set up for far more for cross-city services than it is for services terminating in a bus station.
ANEs 43, 48, 49, 49A, 64, 56, 57, 58 could all be combined into a new set of services which serve Millburngate instead of the bus station (I'm aware some of those already don't serve DBS). If push came to shove you could probably also look at extending something like the 6 to terminate at the Arnison Centre, for example, rather than DBS.
(15 Feb 2021, 7:51 pm)mb134 That's going to be fantastic when traffic levels get back to normal...I don't think making more services 'Cross City' would make much of a difference at least for Arriva considering every service bar Darlington depot 7's and Stockton depot X12's have driver changeovers in Durham City Centre so you'd still have the issue of buses being dumped, just difference is this would now occur in a different part of the City Centre.
I think you mentioned it further up, I think Durham is set up for far more for cross-city services than it is for services terminating in a bus station.
ANEs 43, 48, 49, 49A, 64, 56, 57, 58 could all be combined into a new set of services which serve Millburngate instead of the bus station (I'm aware some of those already don't serve DBS). If push came to shove you could probably also look at extending something like the 6 to terminate at the Arnison Centre, for example, rather than DBS.
(05 Feb 2021, 6:01 pm)mb134 Whole scheme screams "lipstick on a pig".I completely agree with this. Unfit for purpose as the old bus station was, it is going to solve neither the problem of stand blocking or of north road antisocial behaviour. (covid has done a better job of both)
The design of the actual bus station is not fit for purpose, especially when Arriva decide it makes a cute little mini-depot.
(07 Feb 2021, 12:14 am)Jimmi The fact that prior to going back into lockdown I was often seeing the PR1 with 'Bus Full' at peak times will potentially go further to putting people off using it in future.I caught pr1 a few times when I lived in east Durham. And needed to get to hospital appointments. and on Saturday mornings and weekdays after 3, it was always rammed. (I live near the hospital and just watch it pass, these days!)
The fact that during the works you'll have to get off the PR1 at either Wharton Park or Claypath/Millburngate Bridge stops may put a few off further and this is on top of the PR2 currently terminating outside the courts because of the New Elvet Bridge replacement works.
Can't say I'm looking forward to the prospects of only having a small space to wait for my bus whilst still in a global pandemic and having to social distance, I'm half tempted to change between the 7 & X21 at Croxdale rather than Durham or return home via Peterlee on the X10 & X21 to dodge it.
(05 Feb 2021, 6:01 pm)mb134 Whole scheme screams "lipstick on a pig".I completely agree with this. Unfit for purpose as the old bus station was, it is going to solve neither the problem of stand blocking or of north road antisocial behaviour. (covid has done a better job of both)
The design of the actual bus station is not fit for purpose, especially when Arriva decide it makes a cute little mini-depot.
(07 Feb 2021, 12:14 am)Jimmi The fact that prior to going back into lockdown I was often seeing the PR1 with 'Bus Full' at peak times will potentially go further to putting people off using it in future.I caught pr1 a few times when I lived in east Durham. And needed to get to hospital appointments. and on Saturday mornings and weekdays after 3, it was always rammed. (I live near the hospital and just watch it pass, these days!)
The fact that during the works you'll have to get off the PR1 at either Wharton Park or Claypath/Millburngate Bridge stops may put a few off further and this is on top of the PR2 currently terminating outside the courts because of the New Elvet Bridge replacement works.
Can't say I'm looking forward to the prospects of only having a small space to wait for my bus whilst still in a global pandemic and having to social distance, I'm half tempted to change between the 7 & X21 at Croxdale rather than Durham or return home via Peterlee on the X10 & X21 to dodge it.
This will be interesting to see what happens if a bus breaks down at one of the stops or two buses end up coming together needing the same stop. Can see it carnage at some point especially with Buses having to use the stops for what can be for some services a long layover as well.
(12 Mar 2021, 6:59 pm)col87 This will be interesting to see what happens if a bus breaks down at one of the stops or two buses end up coming together needing the same stop. Can see it carnage at some point especially with Buses having to use the stops for what can be for some services a long layover as well.
(12 Mar 2021, 6:59 pm)col87 This will be interesting to see what happens if a bus breaks down at one of the stops or two buses end up coming together needing the same stop. Can see it carnage at some point especially with Buses having to use the stops for what can be for some services a long layover as well.
(12 Mar 2021, 7:04 pm)Adrian Regarding layover, operators have been advised "Lay over areas situated on Sutton Street and Framwellgate Peth to ensure buses are not waiting on temporary bus stops longer than required. This improves pedestrian and driver visibility whilst reducing potential for services to obstruct one another, improving bus flow and in turn reducing potential bus delay and associated increase in passengers on footways."
(12 Mar 2021, 7:04 pm)Adrian Regarding layover, operators have been advised "Lay over areas situated on Sutton Street and Framwellgate Peth to ensure buses are not waiting on temporary bus stops longer than required. This improves pedestrian and driver visibility whilst reducing potential for services to obstruct one another, improving bus flow and in turn reducing potential bus delay and associated increase in passengers on footways."
With regards to the design, I think they should have put a canopy on the North Road side and add 2 stands facing Northbound on North Road, replacing the parking spaces and loading bay, move them to the opposite side of the road with the bus stops there moved a bit further down or move the disabled parking spaces further down.
(12 Mar 2021, 8:32 pm)Rapidsnap With regards to the design, I think they should have put a canopy on the North Road side and add 2 stands facing Northbound on North Road, replacing the parking spaces and loading bay, move them to the opposite side of the road with the bus stops there moved a bit further down or move the disabled parking spaces further down.
(12 Mar 2021, 8:32 pm)Rapidsnap With regards to the design, I think they should have put a canopy on the North Road side and add 2 stands facing Northbound on North Road, replacing the parking spaces and loading bay, move them to the opposite side of the road with the bus stops there moved a bit further down or move the disabled parking spaces further down.
(12 Mar 2021, 8:43 pm)Adrian How would the buses get to be north-bound facing though? The only way to do it at present is looping the bus station, which is no longer possible.Obviously the bus Station it self is closed but is not possible to still use it as a layover point if passengers are dropped off before they enter. I don’t know Durham to well but could they not have made a temporary bus Station elsewhere while the work is taking place like how Middlesbrough use Sainsbury’s back in 2012 while that one was been done up. Even if it was a park and ride site it wouldn’t have been to bad with a regular shuttle service and the existing 64 21 X21 services to north road still might have worked.
(12 Mar 2021, 8:43 pm)Adrian How would the buses get to be north-bound facing though? The only way to do it at present is looping the bus station, which is no longer possible.Obviously the bus Station it self is closed but is not possible to still use it as a layover point if passengers are dropped off before they enter. I don’t know Durham to well but could they not have made a temporary bus Station elsewhere while the work is taking place like how Middlesbrough use Sainsbury’s back in 2012 while that one was been done up. Even if it was a park and ride site it wouldn’t have been to bad with a regular shuttle service and the existing 64 21 X21 services to north road still might have worked.
(12 Mar 2021, 8:43 pm)Adrian How would the buses get to be north-bound facing though? The only way to do it at present is looping the bus station, which is no longer possible.
(12 Mar 2021, 8:43 pm)Adrian How would the buses get to be north-bound facing though? The only way to do it at present is looping the bus station, which is no longer possible.
They haven’t planned the stops very good. One Hartlepool service is at stand C the other is right at the other end on Milburngate so no good if wanting to see which one comes first which I would think many people did. I think it could put quite a few people off going to Durham but we will see.
(29 Apr 2021, 8:32 pm)col87 They haven’t planned the stops very good. One Hartlepool service is at stand C the other is right at the other end on Milburngate so no good if wanting to see which one comes first which I would think many people did. I think it could put quite a few people off going to Durham but we will see.
(29 Apr 2021, 8:32 pm)col87 They haven’t planned the stops very good. One Hartlepool service is at stand C the other is right at the other end on Milburngate so no good if wanting to see which one comes first which I would think many people did. I think it could put quite a few people off going to Durham but we will see.
