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31 Mar 2018, 1:17 pm #228
(30 Mar 2018, 9:39 pm)James101 Still just around £30/week better off than minimum wage (40hr week). And realistically not much room for progression long term. As services are cut and depots are closed there's steadily less management roles available. The larger groups are increasingly training managers from grad schemes, who generally just have to sit their PCV as a exercise in context - likely to only really be behind the wheel in dire emergencies.  

The market has cheapened what once once a career for life, and the industry will soon find itself in a right mess. For a young person these days, pursuing a career in bus driving just doesn't add up, they'd make more money doing almost anything else.

The minimum wage for apprentices over the age of 25 is £3.50 ph.
So, when you take in to account the salary on offer and apply the 20% off the job training rule that apprentices must follow (meaning 8 hours doing theory from a 40 hour working week), then I don't think it's bad at all.

I agree with some of your comments about the market cheapening a career for life, but I think we all appreciate that a proportion of drivers don't want progression. They're happy doing the driving and having seen examples of some of the stories shared on the forum about drivers retiring after 40 years behind the wheel, I don't think the lack of progression is necessarily a new thing.

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Andreos1
31 Mar 2018, 1:17 pm #228

(30 Mar 2018, 9:39 pm)James101 Still just around £30/week better off than minimum wage (40hr week). And realistically not much room for progression long term. As services are cut and depots are closed there's steadily less management roles available. The larger groups are increasingly training managers from grad schemes, who generally just have to sit their PCV as a exercise in context - likely to only really be behind the wheel in dire emergencies.  

The market has cheapened what once once a career for life, and the industry will soon find itself in a right mess. For a young person these days, pursuing a career in bus driving just doesn't add up, they'd make more money doing almost anything else.

The minimum wage for apprentices over the age of 25 is £3.50 ph.
So, when you take in to account the salary on offer and apply the 20% off the job training rule that apprentices must follow (meaning 8 hours doing theory from a 40 hour working week), then I don't think it's bad at all.

I agree with some of your comments about the market cheapening a career for life, but I think we all appreciate that a proportion of drivers don't want progression. They're happy doing the driving and having seen examples of some of the stories shared on the forum about drivers retiring after 40 years behind the wheel, I don't think the lack of progression is necessarily a new thing.


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Customer Service thread - by Adrian - 16 Apr 2014, 8:15 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by tyresmoke - 16 Apr 2014, 8:39 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by R852 PRG - 18 Apr 2014, 8:47 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by Adrian - 18 Apr 2014, 9:06 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by R852 PRG - 18 Apr 2014, 9:10 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by Adrian - 18 Apr 2014, 9:14 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by R852 PRG - 18 Apr 2014, 9:15 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by Adrian - 18 Apr 2014, 9:22 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by R852 PRG - 18 Apr 2014, 9:27 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by Roland Pratt - 19 Apr 2014, 1:49 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by R852 PRG - 19 Apr 2014, 5:29 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by Davey Bowyer - 18 Apr 2014, 9:54 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by Adrian - 01 May 2014, 6:05 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by Dan - 01 May 2014, 6:13 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by Adrian - 01 May 2014, 6:37 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by Dan - 15 May 2014, 10:35 am
RE: Customer Service thread - by Andreos1 - 01 May 2014, 9:33 pm
Re: RE: Customer Service thread - by Adrian - 15 May 2014, 2:38 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by robisdave15 - 15 May 2014, 6:13 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by R852 PRG - 15 May 2014, 6:15 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by R852 PRG - 15 May 2014, 6:32 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by Adrian - 15 May 2014, 7:17 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by R852 PRG - 23 May 2014, 10:51 am
RE: Customer Service thread - by northern156 - 10 Jun 2014, 11:01 am
RE: Customer Service thread - by RM2186 - 10 Jun 2014, 1:32 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by northern156 - 10 Jun 2014, 1:48 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by RM2186 - 11 Jun 2014, 1:59 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by northern156 - 10 Jun 2014, 2:05 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by R852 PRG - 10 Jun 2014, 3:05 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by Adrian - 10 Jun 2014, 3:24 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by Jimmi - 10 Jun 2014, 4:31 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by BJ10VUS - 10 Jun 2014, 9:27 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by R852 PRG - 11 Jun 2014, 3:39 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by Adrian - 11 Jun 2014, 6:12 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by R852 PRG - 11 Jun 2014, 6:28 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by BJ10VUS - 25 Jul 2014, 6:30 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by Adrian - 13 Jul 2014, 9:13 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by Michael - 13 Jul 2014, 9:19 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by Adrian - 13 Jul 2014, 9:24 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by Tom - 13 Jul 2014, 9:27 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by Adrian - 13 Jul 2014, 9:29 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by mb134 - 13 Jul 2014, 9:20 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by Dan - 13 Jul 2014, 9:22 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by idiot - 14 Jul 2014, 8:18 am
RE: Customer Service thread - by cbma06 - 14 Jul 2014, 9:01 am
RE: Customer Service thread - by MurdnunoC - 14 Jul 2014, 9:44 am
RE: Customer Service thread - by Dan - 14 Jul 2014, 9:47 am
RE: Customer Service thread - by MurdnunoC - 14 Jul 2014, 9:57 am
Re: RE: Customer Service thread - by Dan - 14 Jul 2014, 10:08 am
RE: Customer Service thread - by tyresmoke - 14 Jul 2014, 10:25 am
RE: Customer Service thread - by Dan - 14 Jul 2014, 10:57 am
RE: Customer Service thread - by Adrian - 25 Jul 2014, 2:23 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by Roland Pratt - 25 Jul 2014, 2:37 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by Adrian - 25 Jul 2014, 3:02 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by Tom - 25 Jul 2014, 3:02 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by R852 PRG - 25 Jul 2014, 3:19 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by VolvoMarkII - 25 Jul 2014, 5:26 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by R852 PRG - 25 Jul 2014, 6:45 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by mb134 - 25 Jul 2014, 8:14 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by Adrian - 25 Jul 2014, 9:49 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by mb134 - 25 Jul 2014, 9:56 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by Adrian - 25 Jul 2014, 9:48 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by R852 PRG - 25 Jul 2014, 11:21 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by Tom - 26 Jul 2014, 7:23 am
RE: Customer Service thread - by mb134 - 26 Jul 2014, 7:44 am
RE: Customer Service thread - by tyresmoke - 26 Jul 2014, 7:53 am
RE: Customer Service thread - by Dan - 26 Jul 2014, 8:02 am
RE: Customer Service thread - by L469 YVK - 01 Aug 2014, 4:33 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by Adrian - 01 Aug 2014, 4:40 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by palatine3833 - 26 Jul 2014, 8:35 am
RE: Customer Service thread - by Dan - 26 Jul 2014, 8:39 am
RE: Customer Service thread - by palatine3833 - 26 Jul 2014, 8:33 am
RE: Customer Service thread - by Adrian - 26 Jul 2014, 9:13 am
RE: Customer Service thread - by Dan - 01 Aug 2014, 11:33 am
RE: Customer Service thread - by MurdnunoC - 01 Aug 2014, 12:24 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by Dan - 01 Aug 2014, 12:26 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by MurdnunoC - 01 Aug 2014, 2:39 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by Dan - 01 Aug 2014, 2:50 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by S813 FVK - 01 Aug 2014, 3:23 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by Andreos1 - 01 Aug 2014, 4:44 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by Adrian - 01 Aug 2014, 4:52 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by Andreos1 - 02 Aug 2014, 9:14 am
RE: Customer Service thread - by Drifter60 - 01 Aug 2014, 2:08 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by Adrian - 01 Aug 2014, 1:42 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by R852 PRG - 01 Aug 2014, 2:05 pm
Re: RE: Customer Service thread - by Dan - 01 Aug 2014, 2:09 pm
Re: RE: Customer Service thread - by Dan - 01 Aug 2014, 3:26 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by S813 FVK - 01 Aug 2014, 3:32 pm
Re: RE: Customer Service thread - by Dan - 01 Aug 2014, 3:47 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by Adrian - 01 Aug 2014, 4:29 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by citaro5284 - 01 Aug 2014, 5:41 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by Tom - 02 Aug 2014, 5:21 pm
Customer Service thread - by R852 PRG - 02 Aug 2014, 6:03 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by Tom - 02 Aug 2014, 6:05 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by BJ10VUS - 02 Aug 2014, 8:03 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by Dan - 02 Aug 2014, 8:05 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by Jimmi - 02 Aug 2014, 8:10 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by tyresmoke - 02 Aug 2014, 8:14 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by Roland Pratt - 03 Aug 2014, 8:36 am
RE: Customer Service thread - by Tom - 07 Sep 2014, 8:15 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by L469 YVK - 07 Sep 2014, 9:11 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by Adrian - 07 Sep 2014, 9:18 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by S813 FVK - 07 Sep 2014, 9:22 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by Andreos1 - 09 Sep 2014, 10:26 am
Re: RE: Customer Service thread - by Dan - 09 Sep 2014, 10:39 am
RE: Customer Service thread - by gtom - 09 Sep 2014, 7:54 pm
Re: RE: Customer Service thread - by Adrian - 09 Sep 2014, 8:08 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by gtom - 09 Sep 2014, 10:40 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by Adrian - 23 Sep 2014, 5:21 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by Dan - 07 Oct 2014, 4:08 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by Michael - 07 Oct 2014, 6:27 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by Adrian - 07 Oct 2014, 7:22 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by Dan - 07 Oct 2014, 7:25 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by Adrian - 07 Oct 2014, 7:30 pm
Customer Service thread - by R852 PRG - 07 Oct 2014, 6:13 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by Dan - 07 Oct 2014, 6:22 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by Andreos1 - 13 Oct 2014, 5:16 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by Andreos1 - 07 Nov 2014, 10:34 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by Dan - 09 Nov 2014, 6:00 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by Adrian - 09 Nov 2014, 7:47 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by Andreos1 - 12 Nov 2014, 6:45 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by Adrian - 12 Nov 2014, 8:17 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by Dan - 12 Nov 2014, 8:47 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by Adrian - 12 Nov 2014, 8:59 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by Andreos1 - 12 Nov 2014, 9:13 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by mb134 - 12 Nov 2014, 9:28 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by Andreos1 - 12 Nov 2014, 9:38 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by mb134 - 12 Nov 2014, 9:50 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by Dan - 17 Nov 2014, 2:42 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by Andreos1 - 12 Nov 2014, 10:17 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by mb134 - 12 Nov 2014, 10:29 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by Andreos1 - 12 Nov 2014, 10:41 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by Adrian - 13 Nov 2014, 5:50 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by Dan - 13 Nov 2014, 6:09 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by Adrian - 13 Nov 2014, 6:14 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by citaro5284 - 15 Nov 2014, 8:41 am
RE: Customer Service thread - by eezypeazy - 15 Nov 2014, 9:24 am
Re: RE: Customer Service thread - by Adrian - 15 Nov 2014, 9:29 am
RE: Customer Service thread - by Andreos1 - 29 Nov 2014, 5:32 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by Dan - 01 Dec 2014, 5:35 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by Adrian - 08 Dec 2014, 8:48 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by Dan - 08 Dec 2014, 8:51 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by mb134 - 08 Dec 2014, 9:15 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by cbma06 - 12 Dec 2014, 6:59 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by cbma06 - 12 Dec 2014, 7:08 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by Jimmi - 12 Dec 2014, 8:50 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by Tom - 12 Dec 2014, 8:51 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by Adrian - 12 Dec 2014, 11:10 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by Jimmi - 12 Dec 2014, 9:09 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by Andreos1 - 13 Dec 2014, 9:15 am
RE: Customer Service thread - by mb134 - 30 Dec 2014, 3:51 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by Dan - 30 Dec 2014, 3:57 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by mb134 - 30 Dec 2014, 4:05 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by Adrian - 30 Dec 2014, 4:28 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by mb134 - 30 Dec 2014, 4:39 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by tyresmoke - 30 Dec 2014, 9:56 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by mb134 - 30 Dec 2014, 10:07 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by tyresmoke - 31 Dec 2014, 7:35 am
RE: Customer Service thread - by mb134 - 31 Dec 2014, 9:39 am
RE: Customer Service thread - by Adrian - 30 Dec 2014, 4:31 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by Andreos1 - 30 Dec 2014, 9:19 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by mb134 - 30 Dec 2014, 9:24 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by Adrian - 30 Dec 2014, 10:02 pm
Customer Service thread - by R852 PRG - 22 Feb 2015, 3:33 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by Dan - 22 Feb 2015, 3:35 pm
Customer Service thread - by R852 PRG - 22 Feb 2015, 3:37 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by Dan - 22 Feb 2015, 3:39 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by R852 PRG - 20 Mar 2015, 6:09 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by Michael - 31 Mar 2015, 8:41 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by Andreos1 - 26 May 2015, 12:38 pm
Customer Service thread - by Adrian - 28 May 2015, 9:48 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by Malarkey - 28 May 2015, 9:54 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by S813 FVK - 28 May 2015, 10:15 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by Davie - 28 May 2015, 10:30 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by Jimmi - 02 Jun 2015, 8:34 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by Andreos1 - 02 Jun 2015, 8:37 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by Dan - 03 Jun 2015, 9:25 am
Customer Service thread - by Jimmi - 16 Jun 2015, 11:08 am
RE: Customer Service thread - by Adrian - 19 Jun 2015, 6:24 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by Jimmi - 19 Jun 2015, 6:43 pm
Customer Service thread - by Adrian - 31 Jul 2015, 4:41 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by S813 FVK - 11 Aug 2015, 6:51 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by citaro5284 - 11 Aug 2015, 6:53 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by S813 FVK - 11 Aug 2015, 6:54 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by BusLoverMum - 11 Aug 2015, 6:59 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by BusLoverMum - 11 Aug 2015, 6:57 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by Adrian - 11 Aug 2015, 7:00 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by BusLoverMum - 11 Aug 2015, 7:14 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by Adrian - 11 Aug 2015, 7:17 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by omnicity4659 - 13 Aug 2015, 1:09 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by Adrian - 07 Sep 2015, 6:10 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by Andreos1 - 07 Sep 2015, 7:55 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by R852 PRG - 07 Sep 2015, 8:01 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by northern156 - 07 Sep 2015, 9:04 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by citaro5284 - 08 Sep 2015, 4:06 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by omnicity4659 - 26 Nov 2015, 3:32 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by BusLoverMum - 26 Nov 2015, 3:56 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by omnicity4659 - 26 Nov 2015, 4:01 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by BusLoverMum - 26 Nov 2015, 4:09 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by omnicity4659 - 26 Nov 2015, 4:30 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by Tom - 23 Dec 2016, 5:49 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by Andreos1 - 23 Dec 2016, 7:27 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by Tom - 23 Dec 2016, 8:34 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by Andreos1 - 23 Dec 2016, 11:16 pm
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RE: Customer Service thread - by Adrian - 24 Dec 2016, 11:23 am
RE: Customer Service thread - by Michael - 23 Dec 2016, 10:27 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by Dan - 09 Apr 2017, 7:09 am
RE: Customer Service thread - by Andreos1 - 09 Apr 2017, 8:15 am
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RE: Customer Service thread - by Adrian - 09 Apr 2017, 12:25 pm
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RE: Customer Service thread - by Adrian - 09 Apr 2017, 7:58 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by Ambassador - 09 Apr 2017, 11:17 pm
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RE: Customer Service thread - by Andreos1 - 10 Apr 2017, 8:55 am
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RE: Customer Service thread - by markydh - 10 Apr 2017, 10:42 am
RE: Customer Service thread - by Andreos1 - 07 Dec 2017, 6:50 pm
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RE: Customer Service thread - by Andreos1 - 30 Mar 2018, 9:32 am
RE: Customer Service thread - by James101 - 30 Mar 2018, 9:39 pm
RE: Customer Service thread - by Andreos1 - 31 Mar 2018, 1:17 pm
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RE: Customer Service thread - by Andreos1 - 04 Apr 2018, 12:54 pm
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