Presenting...the ALL-NEW Alexander Dennis Enviro400
Presenting...the ALL-NEW Alexander Dennis Enviro400
I've also just looked at the stats betweem the Euro 6 E400 and the Euro 5 Volvo B9TL.
Volvo B9TL:
- 260ps @1900rpm
- 1100nm @ 900 - 1500rpm
Euro 6 ADL E400:
- 250ps @2100rm only 200 more than B9TL
- 1000nm @ 1200 - 1600rpm
To sum it all up, the new E400 only has to work that little bit harder than the Volvo B9TL in most circumstances. It would struggle with an 80 mile foot to the floor round trip on the TTX what the B9TL can sort of cope with whilst spitting it's dummy out every now and then. But with a bit of TLC, it could handle routes like the TEN, Red Arrows and Arriva's X21, X22 and at a push with a 5 year life span before a cascade, the X18. A big pat on the back to ADL who have clearly thought it out though. Hopefully, Scania's Euro 6 offering on the E400 with the I believe 280ps Cummins engine will improve things for the big 5 endurance routes in the North East.
Further details regarding the new E400 from this month's Buses magazine (which has a very good 4 page article on the finer details):
Here is a photo of the new style Enviro 400 at Falkirk in Stagecoach livery.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gjm-photog...201326104/
(16 May 2014, 11:41 pm)GMitchelhill Here is a photo of the new style Enviro 400 at Falkirk in Stagecoach livery.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gjm-photog...201326104/
. I bet they'll serve Stagecoach well.
(16 May 2014, 11:41 pm)GMitchelhill Here is a photo of the new style Enviro 400 at Falkirk in Stagecoach livery.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gjm-photog...201326104/
. I bet they'll serve Stagecoach well.
![[Image: 14211428687_7bbc3eefed.jpg]](https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3912/14211428687_7bbc3eefed.jpg)
Go North East: "The all-new Enviro 400 visits Riverside!" by danielgrahamm, on Flickr![[Image: 14395663921_277482b5df.jpg]](https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2907/14395663921_277482b5df.jpg)
Go North East: "The all-new Enviro 400 visits Riverside!" by danielgrahamm, on Flickr![[Image: 14212430890_1db0093462.jpg]](https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3869/14212430890_1db0093462.jpg)
Go North East: "The all-new Enviro 400 visits Riverside!" by danielgrahamm, on Flickr![[Image: 14375896386_eba90d3aa8.jpg]](https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5519/14375896386_eba90d3aa8.jpg)
Go North East: "The all-new Enviro 400 visits Riverside!" by danielgrahamm, on Flickr![[Image: 14212368109_88f45f06f5.jpg]](https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2929/14212368109_88f45f06f5.jpg)
Go North East: "The all-new Enviro 400 visits Riverside!" by danielgrahamm, on Flickr
Go North East: "The all-new Enviro 400 visits Riverside!" by danielgrahamm, on Flickr
Go North East: "The all-new Enviro 400 visits Riverside!" by danielgrahamm, on Flickr
Go North East: "The all-new Enviro 400 visits Riverside!" by danielgrahamm, on Flickr
Go North East: "The all-new Enviro 400 visits Riverside!" by danielgrahamm, on Flickr
Go North East: "The all-new Enviro 400 visits Riverside!" by danielgrahamm, on Flickr
(12 Jun 2014, 8:00 am)Scott Looks stunning. Way better than the Gemini 2. Hope they order some for the Ten in the next few years.
(12 Jun 2014, 8:00 am)Scott Looks stunning. Way better than the Gemini 2. Hope they order some for the Ten in the next few years.
(12 Jun 2014, 8:34 am)aureolin Baring in mind though as a demo it's probably kitted out with the most expensive options. I think the Gemini 2s are really smart looking buses, and I'm sure there's options available to kit them out to similar interior specs.I agree. Just look at the spec of Lothian's Airlink Geminis! Superior to the standard of the ADL E400MMC demo, in my opinion.
It's a bit like BMW. You go for a test drive and are overwhelmed by the features, only to find out it adds another 10k onto the cost of the car.
(12 Jun 2014, 8:34 am)aureolin Baring in mind though as a demo it's probably kitted out with the most expensive options. I think the Gemini 2s are really smart looking buses, and I'm sure there's options available to kit them out to similar interior specs.I agree. Just look at the spec of Lothian's Airlink Geminis! Superior to the standard of the ADL E400MMC demo, in my opinion.
It's a bit like BMW. You go for a test drive and are overwhelmed by the features, only to find out it adds another 10k onto the cost of the car.
Half Hour Video on the New E400 MMC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDdJPzqoc0o&feature=youtu.be
(14 Jun 2014, 11:07 am)Richard Smiles Half Hour Video on the New E400 MMC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDdJPzqoc0o&feature=youtu.be
(14 Jun 2014, 11:07 am)Richard Smiles Half Hour Video on the New E400 MMC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDdJPzqoc0o&feature=youtu.be
It looks fantastic. Very well built and thought through by ADL. I don't rate the 6.7 unit for long distance work but I certainly think that this bus could perhaps cope with the long 10 and the X1 if well looked after by Riverside, Hexham and Washington. Hopefully, ADL will look into a long range version either powered by a bigger unit from Cummins or Volvo's 8 litre unit. I wonder if ADL will offer the Scania / Cummins unit with 280bhp.
Hey guys I have noticed alot of you criticizing the 6.7ltr 250bhp, 752lb ft torque cummins unit that ADL have chosen for this bus.
I would love to know what you think of Volvos 5.1 ltr 240bhp, 671lb ft torque for the B9TLs replacement the B5TL then.
In addition to that The wrightbus streetdeck & optare metro decker have a mercedes 5.1 ltr 228bhp, 663lb ft torque engine.
(15 Jun 2014, 4:07 pm)Volvo89 Hey guys I have noticed alot of you criticizing the 6.7ltr 250bhp, 752lb ft torque cummins unit that ADL have chosen for this bus.
I would love to know what you think of Volvos 5.1 ltr 240bhp, 671lb ft torque for the B9TLs replacement the B5TL then.
In addition to that The wrightbus streetdeck & optare metro decker have a mercedes 5.1 ltr 228bhp, 663lb ft torque engine.
(15 Jun 2014, 4:07 pm)Volvo89 Hey guys I have noticed alot of you criticizing the 6.7ltr 250bhp, 752lb ft torque cummins unit that ADL have chosen for this bus.
I would love to know what you think of Volvos 5.1 ltr 240bhp, 671lb ft torque for the B9TLs replacement the B5TL then.
In addition to that The wrightbus streetdeck & optare metro decker have a mercedes 5.1 ltr 228bhp, 663lb ft torque engine.
ADL need to work with an engine manufacturer who will come up with an engine for long distance runs that is:
- At least 270bhp.
- A torque and average RPM that matches the speed of the vehicle and doesn't cause stress to the engine or other components.
- An ECU that selects the gearing ratio from gearbox by speed and not comfort or economy.
- With ref to the above: 0-15, 0- 25, 25 - 35, 35-45, 45 and above. Not settling into 4th gear at 30mph and a higher gearing ratio for higher speeds.
- NO TURBOCHARGING!
(15 Jun 2014, 7:49 pm)aureolin But this bus was developed as the result of a massive consultation with engineering teams from all over the UK? Maybe what you want and the bus industry wants are two completely different things?
(15 Jun 2014, 7:49 pm)aureolin But this bus was developed as the result of a massive consultation with engineering teams from all over the UK? Maybe what you want and the bus industry wants are two completely different things?
Well put it this way, I'd deem these routes in the North East worthy of a heavyweight powerful decker:
Arriva: X93, X10, X11, X14, X15, X18, X20, X21, X22 (54)
GNE: TEN, X1, X9, X10. (38)
In total including GNE's Northern Spares and Arriva's various spares (Sapphire) that's 92 vehicles. I have very rarely seen an Olympian broken on or on the back of a tow truck. Look at the number of times they had to bail out the B7's on the X9/X10. I agree with economical buses for city routes but for long distance and demanding routes, there is no room for economy to sacrafice power. Power and reliability are first and foremost when it comes to long distances. Economy is a bonus.
But is there such a bus on the market? As much as I'd love a fleet of olympians and atlanteans, things have moved on and it's never going to happen. It's Euro 6 from now on, and even in the event of QCS coming in, Nexus are going to fine non compliance in this respect. If a heavyweight decker with no regard of economy is whats needed wouldn't you have thought every company would have screamed for this in consultation?
(16 Jun 2014, 6:46 am)aureolin But is there such a bus on the market? As much as I'd love a fleet of olympians and atlanteans, things have moved on and it's never going to happen. It's Euro 6 from now on, and even in the event of QCS coming in, Nexus are going to fine non compliance in this respect. If a heavyweight decker with no regard of economy is whats needed wouldn't you have thought every company would have screamed for this in consultation?
(16 Jun 2014, 6:46 am)aureolin But is there such a bus on the market? As much as I'd love a fleet of olympians and atlanteans, things have moved on and it's never going to happen. It's Euro 6 from now on, and even in the event of QCS coming in, Nexus are going to fine non compliance in this respect. If a heavyweight decker with no regard of economy is whats needed wouldn't you have thought every company would have screamed for this in consultation?
(16 Jun 2014, 6:46 am)aureolin But is there such a bus on the market? As much as I'd love a fleet of olympians and atlanteans, things have moved on and it's never going to happen. It's Euro 6 from now on, and even in the event of QCS coming in, Nexus are going to fine non compliance in this respect. If a heavyweight decker with no regard of economy is whats needed wouldn't you have thought every company would have screamed for this in consultation?
(16 Jun 2014, 6:46 am)aureolin But is there such a bus on the market? As much as I'd love a fleet of olympians and atlanteans, things have moved on and it's never going to happen. It's Euro 6 from now on, and even in the event of QCS coming in, Nexus are going to fine non compliance in this respect. If a heavyweight decker with no regard of economy is whats needed wouldn't you have thought every company would have screamed for this in consultation?
(15 Jun 2014, 7:11 pm)DaveyBowyer ADL need to work with an engine manufacturer who will come up with an engine for long distance runs that is:
- At least 270bhp.
- A torque and average RPM that matches the speed of the vehicle and doesn't cause stress to the engine or other components.
- An ECU that selects the gearing ratio from gearbox by speed and not comfort or economy.
- With ref to the above: 0-15, 0- 25, 25 - 35, 35-45, 45 and above. Not settling into 4th gear at 30mph and a higher gearing ratio for higher speeds.
- NO TURBOCHARGING!
(15 Jun 2014, 7:11 pm)DaveyBowyer ADL need to work with an engine manufacturer who will come up with an engine for long distance runs that is:
- At least 270bhp.
- A torque and average RPM that matches the speed of the vehicle and doesn't cause stress to the engine or other components.
- An ECU that selects the gearing ratio from gearbox by speed and not comfort or economy.
- With ref to the above: 0-15, 0- 25, 25 - 35, 35-45, 45 and above. Not settling into 4th gear at 30mph and a higher gearing ratio for higher speeds.
- NO TURBOCHARGING!
