(17 Jul 2015, 3:20 pm)G-CPTN wrote [ -> ]According to today's Hexham Courant, some of the HS routes taken over by GNE are on a 'trial only' basis - if they don't prove to be viable they will be discontinued.
Other routes are significantly reduced (in frequency).
Link to the Hexham Courant report:
http://www.hexham-courant.co.uk/news/Mix...256ef18-ds
If I've read it correctly (and if the report is accurate!) I'd say only the Colwell service is to be evaluated in October not the "main" Bellingham route.
What happens now?
I think we should be told . . .
(03 Aug 2015, 11:04 pm)G-CPTN wrote [ -> ]What happens now?
I think we should be told . . .
What is it that you want to know?
(04 Aug 2015, 6:05 am)busmanT wrote [ -> ]What is it that you want to know?
Will Howard Snaith survive as a local bus operator, as a tour bus operator or as a private hire operator, as a taxi service or will they cease commercial operation? Have they lost their licences?
The loss of what seemed to be the bulk of their local services probably means a significant reduction in drivers (and vehicles).
The impact on employment in the North Tyne area must be detrimental.
(04 Aug 2015, 7:24 am)G-CPTN wrote [ -> ]Will Howard Snaith survive as a local bus operator, as a tour bus operator or as a private hire operator, as a taxi service or will they cease commercial operation? Have they lost their licences?
The loss of what seemed to be the bulk of their local services probably means a significant reduction in drivers (and vehicles).
The impact on employment in the North Tyne area must be detrimental.
Whether Howard Snaith survive will depend if the Traffic Commissioner takes action against their operators licence - there hasn't been anything on the VOSA website yet.
(17 Jul 2015, 8:14 pm)chrisnorthern wrote [ -> ]Link to the Hexham Courant report: http://www.hexham-courant.co.uk/news/Mix...256ef18-ds
If I've read it correctly (and if the report is accurate!) I'd say only the Colwell service is to be evaluated in October not the "main" Bellingham route.
Correct, the Bellingham service is a 5 year contract, but the Colwell contract only runs till early October.
I am sure that the County Council will take all feedback into account when deciding what level of service they can afford to operate in the long term.
I used to se the 79 and the 808 occasionally and when it ran the 879. I now avoid it at all costs
(23 Aug 2015, 9:24 am)NK53 TKT wrote [ -> ]I used to se the 79 and the 808 occasionally and when it ran the 879. I now avoid it at all costs
technically for howard snaith it will be a waiting game for them however if it comes to the worst they probably have to come up with a quick strategy.
(23 Aug 2015, 9:40 am)buss14 wrote [ -> ]technically for howard snaith it will be a waiting game for them however if it comes to the worst they probably have to come up with a quick strategy.
I think they may be liquidized after the whole incident, in Newcastle Maynards now have a lot of their former business.
(23 Aug 2015, 9:42 am)NK53 TKT wrote [ -> ]I think they may be liquidized after the whole incident, in Newcastle Maynards now have a lot of their former business.
well i knew they had lost a vast quantity of their services,
(23 Aug 2015, 9:45 am)buss14 wrote [ -> ]well i knew they had lost a vast quantity of their services,
The Hexham scholars have gone to GNE
(23 Aug 2015, 9:46 am)NK53 TKT wrote [ -> ]The Hexham scholars have gone to GNE
yes and PCL travel i think have the their morpeth run. is it the 79 or 808 that goes into morpeth.
(23 Aug 2015, 9:49 am)buss14 wrote [ -> ]yes and PCL travel i think have the their morpeth run. is it the 79 or 808 that goes into morpeth.
The 79 goes Ponteland to Morpeth via Tranwell
The 808 goes Elddon Square to Otterburn via Ponteland and Belsay
(23 Aug 2015, 9:50 am)NK53 TKT wrote [ -> ]The 79 goes Ponteland to Morpeth via Tranwell
The 808 goes Elddon Square to Otterburn via Ponteland and Belsay
thank you, i got confused but PCL are doing quite well with the service. there drivrs are friendly and they have a little minibus which seems to be suitable for the route.
(23 Aug 2015, 9:52 am)buss14 wrote [ -> ]thank you, i got confused but PCL are doing quite well with the service. there drivrs are friendly and they have a little minibus which seems to be suitable for the route.
When I was last on the 79 I was alone with a 33 seat plaxton beaver, yet when I got off and got on the X14 to Regent Centre it as a crammed 29- seat MPD
(23 Aug 2015, 9:54 am)NK53 TKT wrote [ -> ]When I was last on the 79 I was alone with a 33 seat plaxton beaver, yet when I got off and got on the X14 to Regent Centre it as a crammed 29- seat MPD
is the 79 a contract service or is it a coucil funded service
Here is the full list of cancellations for Howard Snaith.
Section 3.6 – Cancellations of Existing Services Granted Under Short Notice
PB1065121/73 HOWARD JAMES SNAITH & PARTNERS T/A H J SNAITH, COACH HOUSE, OTTERBURN , NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE NE19 1HB
Operating between Otterburn and Haydon Bridge given service number 442 effective from 13-Aug-2015.
PB1065121/52 HOWARD JAMES SNAITH & PARTNERS T/A H J SNAITH, COACH HOUSE, OTTERBURN , NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE NE19 1HB
Operating between Otterburn and Bellingham given service number 915 effective from 13-Aug-2015.
PB1065121/50 HOWARD JAMES SNAITH & PARTNERS T/A H J SNAITH, COACH HOUSE, OTTERBURN , NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE NE19 1HB
Operating between West Sleekburn and Alnwick given service number 191 effective from 13-Aug-2015.
PB1065121/44 HOWARD JAMES SNAITH & PARTNERS T/A H J SNAITH, COACH HOUSE, OTTERBURN , NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE NE19 1HB
Operating between West Sleekburn and Alnwick given service number X19 effective from 13-Aug-2015.
PB1065121/59 HOWARD JAMES SNAITH & PARTNERS T/A H J SNAITH, COACH HOUSE, OTTERBURN , NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE NE19 1HB
Operating between Bellingham/Colwell and Hexham given service number 880/882 effective from 13-Aug-2015.
PB1065121/2 HOWARD JAMES SNAITH & PARTNERS T/A H J SNAITH, COACH HOUSE, OTTERBURN , NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE NE19 1HB
Operating between West Sleekburn and West Sleekburn given service number 564 effective from 13-Aug-2015.
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PB1065121/25 HOWARD JAMES SNAITH & PARTNERS T/A H J SNAITH, COACH HOUSE, OTTERBURN , NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE NE19 1HB
Operating between Otterburn and Otterburn given service number 467 effective from 13-Aug-2015.
PB1065121/71 HOWARD JAMES SNAITH & PARTNERS T/A H J SNAITH, COACH HOUSE, OTTERBURN , NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE NE19 1HB
Operating between Byrness and hexham given service number 883 effective from 13-Aug-2015.
PB1065121/53 HOWARD JAMES SNAITH & PARTNERS T/A H J SNAITH, COACH HOUSE, OTTERBURN , NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE NE19 1HB
Operating between Otterburn and Bellingham given service number 447 effective from 13-Aug-2015.
PB1065121/65 HOWARD JAMES SNAITH & PARTNERS T/A H J SNAITH, COACH HOUSE, OTTERBURN , NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE NE19 1HB
Operating between Otterburn and Hexham given service number 0420 effective from 13-Aug-2015.
PB1065121/72 HOWARD JAMES SNAITH & PARTNERS T/A H J SNAITH, COACH HOUSE, OTTERBURN , NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE NE19 1HB
Operating between Otterburn and Otterburn given service number 915 effective from 13-Aug-2015.
PB1065121/74 HOWARD JAMES SNAITH & PARTNERS T/A H J SNAITH, COACH HOUSE, OTTERBURN , NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE NE19 1HB
Operating between Alnwick and St Benet Biscop High School given service number 280 effective from 13-Aug-2015.
PB1065121/27 HOWARD JAMES SNAITH & PARTNERS T/A H J SNAITH, COACH HOUSE, OTTERBURN , NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE NE19 1HB
Operating between Otterburn and Otterburn given service number 613 effective from 13-Aug-2015.
PB1065121/31 HOWARD JAMES SNAITH & PARTNERS T/A H J SNAITH, COACH HOUSE, OTTERBURN , NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE NE19 1HB
Operating between Otterburn and Otterburn given service number 446 effective from 13-Aug-2015.
PB1065121/63 HOWARD JAMES SNAITH & PARTNERS T/A H J SNAITH, COACH HOUSE, OTTERBURN , NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE NE19 1HB
Operating between West Woodburn and West Woodburn given service number 0404 effective from 13-Aug-2015.
PB1065121/62 HOWARD JAMES SNAITH & PARTNERS T/A H J SNAITH, COACH HOUSE, OTTERBURN , NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE NE19 1HB
Operating between Hexham and Hexham given service number 0456 effective from 13-Aug-2015.
PB1065121/64 HOWARD JAMES SNAITH & PARTNERS T/A H J SNAITH, COACH HOUSE, OTTERBURN , NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE NE19 1HB
Operating between Chopwell, Leadgate cottage and Prudhoe given service number 4800 effective from 13-Aug-2015.
PB1065121/55 HOWARD JAMES SNAITH & PARTNERS T/A H J SNAITH, COACH HOUSE, OTTERBURN , NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE NE19 1HB
Operating between Otterburn and Otterburn given service number 441 effective from 13-Aug-2015.
PB1065121/67 HOWARD JAMES SNAITH & PARTNERS T/A H J SNAITH, COACH HOUSE, OTTERBURN , NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE NE19 1HB
Operating between Newton Hall and Hexham given service number 400 effective from 13-Aug-2015.
PB1065121/13 HOWARD JAMES SNAITH & PARTNERS T/A H J SNAITH, COACH HOUSE, OTTERBURN , NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE NE19 1HB
Operating between Brunswick Industrial Estate and Brunswick Inductrial Estate given service number 48/48A effective from 13-Aug-2015.
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PB1065121/29 HOWARD JAMES SNAITH & PARTNERS T/A H J SNAITH, COACH HOUSE, OTTERBURN , NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE NE19 1HB
Operating between Otterburn and Otterburn given service number 808 effective from 13-Aug-2015.
PB1065121/69 HOWARD JAMES SNAITH & PARTNERS T/A H J SNAITH, COACH HOUSE, OTTERBURN , NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE NE19 1HB
Operating between Otterburn and Hexham Middle School given service number 406 effective from 13-Aug-2015.
Details of Public Inquiries to be held in relation to Howard Snaith and Partners.
Section 5.1 – Notice of Public Inquiries to be Held
Public Inquiry (51122) to be held at Hillcrest House, 386 Harehills Lane, LEEDS, LS9 6NF, on 29 September 2015 commencing at 10:30(Previous Publication
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PB1065121 SI
HOWARD JAMES SNAITH & PARTNERS T/A H J SNAITH
Partner(s): SNAITH LIMITED HOWARD, HOWARD JAMES SNAITH.
COACH HOUSE, OTTERBURN , NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE NE19 1HB
PSV - S17 - Consideration of disciplinary action under Section 17 (The Public Passenger Vehicles Act 1981)
PSV - Sch.3 - Consideration of Transport Managers Repute under Schedule 3 (The Public Passenger Vehicles Act 1981)
PSV - S28 - Consideration of disciplinary action under Section 28 (The Transport Act 1985)
TM Public Inquiry (EpisodeId:4329 PublicInquiryId:2922) for HOWARD JAMES SNAITH to be held at Hillcrest House Hillcrest House 386 Harehills Lane Leeds LS9 6NF, on 29 September 2015 commencing at 10:30 (Previous Publication
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Article 6 of Regulation (EC) No 1071/2009
So, that looks like cancellation of the schools contracts - and an 'invitation' to a judicial hearing.
I must say that this has taken a long time, and (whilst not prejudging the outcome) seems likely to be the end of Snaith 'bus' services.
I don't know the rules that regulate their private hire (tour) operations, but, if they act under Section 28:-
28
Power to disqualify PSV operators.
(1)
Where the traffic commissioner for any traffic area revokes a PSV operator’s licence, he may order the former holder to be disqualified, indefinitely or for such period as he thinks fit, from holding or obtaining a PSV operator’s licence.
(2)
So long as a disqualification imposed under subsection (1) above is in force with respect to any person,
any PSV operator’s licence held by him at the date of the making of the order under subsection (1) above (other than the licence revoked) shall be suspended (that is, shall remain in force subject to the limitation that no vehicles are authorised to be used under it); and
(b)
notwithstanding section 14(4) of the 1981 Act, no PSV operator’s licence may be granted to him.]
If a person obtains a PSV operator’s licence while he is disqualified under subsection (1) above, the licence shall be void.]
(3)
An order under subsection (1) above may be limited so as to apply only to the holding or obtaining of a PSV operator’s licence in respect of the area of one or more specified traffic commissioners and, if the order is so limited, subsection (2) above shall apply only to any PSV operator’s licence to which the order applies.
(4)
Where a traffic commissioner makes an order under subsection (1) above with respect to any person, he may direct that if that person, at any time during such period as he may specify—
(a)
is a director of, or holds a controlling interest in—
(i)
a company which holds a licence of the kind to which the order applies; or
(ii)
a company of which a company which holds such a licence is a subsidiary; or
(b)
operates any public service vehicles in partnership with a person who holds such a licence;
the powers under section 17(2) of the 1981 Act (revocation, suspension, etc., of PSV operators’ licences) shall be exercisable in relation to that licence by the traffic commissioner by whom it was granted.
(5)
The powers conferred by this section in relation to the person who was the holder of a licence shall be exercisable also—
(a)
where that person was a company, in relation to any officer of that company; and
(b)
where that person operated the vehicles used under the licence in partnership with other persons, in relation to any of those other persons
[F36and any reference in subsection (6A) below to subsection (1) above or to subsection (4) above includes that subsection as it applies by virtue of this subsection.
]
(6)
A traffic commissioner shall not make any such order or give any such direction without first holding an inquiry if any person affected by the proposed order or direction requests him to do so.
The traffic commissioner by whom any order disqualifying a person was made under subsection (1) above may at any time—
(a)
cancel that order together with any direction that was given under subsection (4) above when the order was made;
(b)
cancel any such direction; or
©
with the consent of the person disqualified, vary the order or any such direction (or both the order and any such direction).]
(7)
For the purposes of this section a person holds a controlling interest in a company if he is the beneficial owner of more than half its equity share capital.
Annotations:![[Image: helpIcon.gif]](http://www.legislation.gov.uk/images/chrome/helpIcon.gif)
Amendments (Textual)
F34Paras. (a) and (b) substituted for words in s. 28(2) (3.1.1995) by 1995 c. 40, s. 67(2); S.I. 1994/3188, arts. 2, 3(1)
F35S. 28(2A) inserted (3.1.1995) by 1994 c. 40, s. 67(3); S.I. 1994/3188, arts. 2, 3(1)
F36Words in s. 28(5) added (3.1.1995) by 1994 c. 40, s. 67(4); S.I. 1994/3188, arts. 2, 3(1)
F37S. 28(6A) inserted (3.1.1995) by 1994 c. 40, s. 67(5); S.I. 1994/3188, arts. 2, 3(1)
Modifications etc. (not altering text)
C25S. 26-30 applied (28.7.1998) by 1998 c. iii, s. 1, Sch. s. 54 of Order
it could be pretty serious.
OTOH, Martin Oliver (and Hayton Coulhard) are 'back in business'.