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RE: Northern Rail - Andreos1 - 21 Sep 2015
Am I missing something here? No Heworth - http://www.northernrail.org/pdfs/timetables/20151005/4.pdf
RE: Northern Rail - 8222 - 21 Sep 2015
(21 Sep 2015, 4:47 pm)Andreos1 wrote Am I missing something here? No Heworth - http://www.northernrail.org/pdfs/timetables/20151005/4.pdf
They sometimes bunch them up on timetables like this one. I think the principal section is from Newcastle to Carlisle, hence why Heworth doesn't feature in this one but does on the Newcastle/MetroCentre to Middlesborough/Nunthorpe - if that makes sense?
RE: Northern Rail - Andreos1 - 21 Sep 2015
(21 Sep 2015, 5:01 pm)8222 wrote They sometimes bunch them up on timetables like this one. I think the principal section is from Newcastle to Carlisle, hence why Heworth doesn't feature in this one but does on the Newcastle/MetroCentre to Middlesborough/Nunthorpe - if that makes sense?
Yeah, your explanation makes sense.
When I saw there was a temp timetable revision, thought it best to check.
Saw Heworth was missing from the timetable and rail replacement page, so naturally thought something was up.
RE: Northern Rail - Diamond One - 23 Sep 2015
http://m.shieldsgazette.com/news/girl-14-was-victim-of-fatal-train-collision-on-newcastle-to-sunderland-line-1-7474247
RE: Northern Rail - MrFozz - 23 Sep 2015
(23 Sep 2015, 2:16 am)Diamond One wrote http://m.shieldsgazette.com/news/girl-14-was-victim-of-fatal-train-collision-on-newcastle-to-sunderland-line-1-7474247Thoughts and Prayers go out to that family today...
I kind of know what they must be going through having lost a mate in a similar way 15 years ago [CRYING FACE]
RE: Northern Rail - DanPicken - 26 Sep 2015
The 1154 to Hexham from Newcastle left Heworth at 1157 and when we raced at Felling I could see why it was rammed and it was a Pacer...
RE: Northern Rail - NK53 TKT - 26 Sep 2015
(20 Sep 2015, 7:46 pm)R852 PRG wrote A one-under I believe. Unfortunate.
Oh dear
RE: Northern Rail - LeeCalder - 26 Sep 2015
(26 Sep 2015, 11:07 am)DanPicken wrote The 1154 to Hexham from Newcastle left Heworth at 1157 and when we raced at Felling I could see why it was rammed and it was a Pacer...
It left Heworth 17L...
14:42 - This train has been delayed at Hartlepool by 10 minutes, and has been further delayed at Newcastle and is now 16 minutes late. This is due to Congestion of the Line.
RE: Northern Rail - NK53 TKT - 26 Sep 2015
(26 Sep 2015, 12:26 pm)LeeCalder wrote It left Heworth 17L...
14:42 - This train has been delayed at Hartlepool by 10 minutes, and has been further delayed at Newcastle and is now 16 minutes late. This is due to Congestion of the Line.
Really
RE: Northern Rail - omnicity4659 - 26 Sep 2015
(26 Sep 2015, 12:26 pm)LeeCalder wrote It left Heworth 17L...
14:42 - This train has been delayed at Hartlepool by 10 minutes, and has been further delayed at Newcastle and is now 16 minutes late. This is due to Congestion of the Line.
DBTW have priority between Pelaw Junction and South Hylton, DBTW services have probably gone t**s up hence 'congestion on the line'.
RE: Northern Rail - BJ10VUS - 26 Sep 2015
(26 Sep 2015, 12:35 pm)NK53 TKT wrote Really
The line between Pelaw Junction and Sunderland is really busy, and timings have to be fairly precise, or it gets congested quickly. A few years ago, one of the four Metro services per hour between South Hylton and the Airport would skip Millfield in order to save a minute or two, in order to get on to the line at Sunderland in time. The timings have since changed, with all services stopping at Millfield.
RE: Northern Rail - Dan - 26 Sep 2015
(26 Sep 2015, 12:36 pm)GX03 SVC wrote DBTW have priority between Pelaw Junction and South Hylton, DBTW services have probably gone t**s up hence 'congestion on the line'.
Are you sure?
I regularly get the 1532 Metro from Gateshead to Sunderland and both this and the Northern Rail train get to Pelaw for around 1540. In all of the times I've used this particular journey in the past seven months, the Northern Rail train has always gone through first (even when the Metro departs Pelaw before the Northern train comes close). It's annoying because the Metro can be sat up at the top of the junction for up to 4 or 5 minutes.
I can only cast my mind back to one occasion where I was on a late-running Northern service and it got stuck behind a Metro, which delayed it even further.
RE: Northern Rail - NK53 TKT - 26 Sep 2015
(26 Sep 2015, 12:47 pm)Dan wrote Are you sure?
I regularly get the 1532 Metro from Gateshead to Sunderland and both this and the Northern Rail train get to Pelaw for around 1540. In all of the times I've used this particular journey in the past seven months, the Northern Rail train has always gone through first (even when the Metro departs Pelaw before the Northern train comes close). It's annoying because the Metro can be sat up at the top of the junction for up to 4 or 5 minutes.
I can only cast my mind back to one occasion where I was on a late-running Northern service and it got stuck behind a Metro, which delayed it even further.
It is annoying when you wait on a metro at Pelaw
RE: Northern Rail - omnicity4659 - 26 Sep 2015
(26 Sep 2015, 12:47 pm)Dan wrote Are you sure?
I regularly get the 1532 Metro from Gateshead to Sunderland and both this and the Northern Rail train get to Pelaw for around 1540. In all of the times I've used this particular journey in the past seven months, the Northern Rail train has always gone through first (even when the Metro departs Pelaw before the Northern train comes close). It's annoying because the Metro can be sat up at the top of the junction for up to 4 or 5 minutes.
I can only cast my mind back to one occasion where I was on a late-running Northern service and it got stuck behind a Metro, which delayed it even further.
Nexus and DBTW have access rights for 6tph in both directions, these have priority over any other service.
As the Northern service will already be near or in the 'block', it's easier to hold the Metro at Pelaw for the Northern service to pass.
RE: Northern Rail - Andreos1 - 26 Sep 2015
(26 Sep 2015, 1:33 pm)GX03 SVC wrote Nexus and DBTW have access rights for 6tph in both directions, these have priority over any other service.
As the Northern service will already be near or in the 'block', it's easier to hold the Metro at Pelaw for the Northern service to pass.
Whilst that is true in a number of cases, I have been on a Northern Rail that has had to hold back, due to a Metro in front.
It makes sense to let the Northern through, seeing as it is an 'express', but it won't always happen like that.
RE: Northern Rail - Bus_User - 26 Sep 2015
(26 Sep 2015, 12:47 pm)Dan wrote Are you sure?
I regularly get the 1532 Metro from Gateshead to Sunderland and both this and the Northern Rail train get to Pelaw for around 1540. In all of the times I've used this particular journey in the past seven months, the Northern Rail train has always gone through first (even when the Metro departs Pelaw before the Northern train comes close). It's annoying because the Metro can be sat up at the top of the junction for up to 4 or 5 minutes.
I can only cast my mind back to one occasion where I was on a late-running Northern service and it got stuck behind a Metro, which delayed it even further.
Well that got nothing to do with priority as every Northern train which departs Heworth at 37 mins past the hour will always be allowed ahead of the metro train which departs at Heworth at a similar time due to the timetable. Of course it also depends on how far the Northern train is behind but if its a certain distance behind, then the Metro would be allowed infront.
Looking at RTT, then it seems the Metro departed about 5 mins even before the DELAYED Northern train has arrived and the fact it was delayed is another factor as apparently, if network rail delayed a metro train to allow a delayed train priority, then Network Rail would have to pay Nexus a certain amount per min the metro would be delayed*
Whenever I look at RTT though, the 11:30 Northern train always seems to be delayed, any reasons for this, is it a pathing issue on the Durham Coast line?
*admittedly, not sure how true that is but its something I read about in the past.
RE: Northern Rail - northern156 - 26 Sep 2015
(26 Sep 2015, 12:36 pm)GX03 SVC wrote DBTW have priority between Pelaw Junction and South Hylton, DBTW services have probably gone t**s up hence 'congestion on the line'.
Not sure where you've heard that from as it isn't true.
Trains get signalled on the network to their schedule. If any delays occur then this may not happen; trains are therefore regulated for others to keep PPM statistics up.
No operator has priority over another; except in the case of classifications (ie an express [Class 1] service should get priority over a stopper [Class 2]).
With T&WM services being Class 2s as well as Northern services they get regulated as and when necessary.
You'll get some boxes/panels which aren't as efficient (my personal hatred being Motherwell) and Tyneside aren't massively brilliant either (the significant difference being Tyneside IECC is mostly computer controlled).
RE: Northern Rail - Michael - 29 Sep 2015
Northern train to Hexham, which left Sunderland at 8:30 is changing trains at Newcastle.
According to the conductor bloke, a train is already at Newcastle... and is leaving from platform 7.
RE: Northern Rail - northern156 - 29 Sep 2015
(29 Sep 2015, 7:39 am)Michael wrote Northern train to Hexham, which left Sunderland at 8:30 is changing trains at Newcastle.
According to the conductor bloke, a train is already at Newcastle... and is leaving from platform 7.
Occasionally happens for any number of reasons. Small issue on that set requiring it to go straight to Heaton, strategic move to get it to another depot/location that evening, move to get it to cover less miles before it's next at booked depot, lack of fuel..................... etc.
RE: Northern Rail - Bus_User - 06 Oct 2015
I was on 156454 yesterday which is the first Class 156unit which recieved some new DDA Modifications including a new DDA toilet, interior Passenger information screens/announcements, electronic destination blinds and new door release sounders.
In terms of the passenger information announcements, I do feel there is a little bit too much information on them for me personally and if your on a frequent stopper service, they could be quite grating but apart from that, they seem fine too me.
The electronic blinds, I'm not too keen on the font, it seems a little too small but I only saw one destination which is "Newcastle Cent" so it might of been small because of that. Unlike the Scotrails 156, the destination was not scrolling. Also I'm not sure why Northern feels it has to put "Newcastle Cent" on, looks a bit unprofessional, they should either make the blind so it scrolls along or just have "Newcastle" on. It be interesting too see how Middlesbrough has been programmed, whether its scrolled along or squished on.
The DDA toilet is quite impressive and quite a vast improvment to say the least, very modern and easy too use also. The new door release sounders are 5 beeps(perhaps a few too many beeps I feel) and the door button on the exterior has also been changed.
Just to note, interior wise, excluding some differences around the new DDA Toilet, the interior remains unchanged.
I'm assuming this unit will be done as a trial but will Northern give this treatment to other 156's or will it be down to the next franchise? If its down to the next franchise, they have got quite a alot of work to do before the 2020 deadline(unless they can get an extension) with 144's(potentially) 150's, conversions of 153's to 155 and then upgrading the 156's and I think the 158's need doing also. Not only that but i believe the new franchise will also have to completely refurbished all these carriages also.
I'm not quite sure what the situation will be with Northern's electric fleet though.
RE: Northern Rail - omnicity4659 - 06 Oct 2015
156444 went up for refurbishment last month, Bus_User. So its a full 156 refurbishment.
Good review there, mind.
RE: Northern Rail - Bus_User - 06 Oct 2015
(06 Oct 2015, 9:43 am)GX03 SVC wrote 156444 went up for refurbishment last month, Bus_User. So its a full 156 refurbishment.
Good review there, mind.
When you say a refurbishment, is it to completely strip the unit down to the bodyshell or is it a refurbishment in respect of the DDA modifications?
Wonder who is paying for this then? I can't imagine Northern paying to do this seeing as they won't have the franchise next year so is it a DFT funding? I'm still led to believe one of the next franchise commitments is to completely refurbish the existing carriages.
On another note, those new CIS(customer info screens) at Prudhoe and Wylam are plain awful and they were not working when I past yesterday, signal problem I think it read. What is it with just the 2 line display also instead of the bog standard 3 line you see elsewhere. Corbridge do have the 3 line displays but that is only because the support for the display was put up earlier in the year.
Better than nothing I suppose and Northern do things on the cheap.
RE: Northern Rail - omnicity4659 - 06 Oct 2015
(06 Oct 2015, 11:26 am)Bus_User wrote When you say a refurbishment, is it to completely strip the unit down to the bodyshell or is it a refurbishment in respect of the DDA modifications?
DDA.
RE: Northern Rail - Michael - 08 Oct 2015
Sunderland railway station’s £10m revamp is finally set to go ahead
http://www.sunderlandecho.com/news/business/sunderland-railway-station-s-10m-revamp-is-finally-set-to-go-ahead-1-7502221
RE: Northern Rail - northern156 - 08 Oct 2015
Re the door release beeps being too much - a lot of units down the south (especially Electrostars and Turbostars) have seven beeps. Those I do not mind - it's just the likes of South West Trains' Class 458/5s that have an ear-piercingly loud Desiro-style 'bing bing bing' which, once the door opens, is absolutely deafening.
RE: Northern Rail - NK53 TKT - 09 Oct 2015
(08 Oct 2015, 9:27 pm)northern156 wrote Re the door release beeps being too much - a lot of units down the south (especially Electrostars and Turbostars) have seven beeps. Those I do not mind - it's just the likes of South West Trains' Class 458/5s that have an ear-piercingly loud Desiro-style 'bing bing bing' which, once the door opens, is absolutely deafening.
That is one if many issues with the desiro, in summer they seem to have air conditioning set to -20 degrees, I get on in shorts and t shirts, come out with a coat on!
RE: Northern Rail - Adrian - 09 Oct 2015
(09 Oct 2015, 10:24 am)NK53 TKT wrote That is one if many issues with the desiro, in summer they seem to have air conditioning set to -20 degrees, I get on in shorts and t shirts, come out with a coat on!
This isn't relevant to the thread. I doubt the air conditioning unit is set to -20 degrees, otherwise you'd have been frozen to death, and wouldn't be here to post in this thread.
Back to topic.
RE: Northern Rail - NK53 TKT - 10 Oct 2015
(09 Oct 2015, 8:31 pm)Adrian wrote This isn't relevant to the thread. I doubt the air conditioning unit is set to -20 degrees, otherwise you'd have been frozen to death, and wouldn't be here to post in this thread.
Back to topic.
OK
RE: Northern Rail - Michael - 18 Oct 2015
Seems something has happened between Sunderland & Newcastle - somethings hit a bridge...
Cant attach a photo of the post because i'm on my phone.
RE: Northern Rail - Davie - 18 Oct 2015
(18 Oct 2015, 2:36 pm)Michael wrote Seems something has happened between Sunderland & Newcastle - somethings hit a bridge...Hopefully it's nothing serious and every/any one involved is ok.
Cant attach a photo of the post because i'm on my phone.